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surfer
strange
Hulk
Namor
Genis Vell

No BFR

Who wins

Defenders. Too much power and versatility.

Hulk is all that's needed.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
surfer
strange
Hulk
Namor
Genis Vell

No BFR

Who wins

HP wins. Heals instantly adapts on the fly. Basically already immune to team's energy projection (tanked full force OB and entire JL blasts without having to adapt). The only way for the team to beat DD is if they do it physically and instantly (before it can fully heal or adapt). But I'm not sure the team can do it, especially with HP attacking and moving so fast and either hitting some of the away.

Team's energy projection includes Dr Strange. Not seen Doomsday tank magic on that level before. It'll be new to him.

Probably the most powerful team

Doomsday is paste

strange

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Team's energy projection includes Dr Strange. Not seen Doomsday tank magic on that level before. It'll be new to him. All energy blasts that DD encounted was new to him and he tanked them easily. GL blasts, Darkseid's OB, etc.
At half power, the OB was shown to vaporize two giant missiles that Superman himself, using all of his might, couldn't put a scratch on. Thus the OB at half power, in that arc, was shown to be astronomically more powerful than Superman. I don't know of any feats of Dr. Strange that shows he is capable of vaporizing something that Superman, using all of his might, can't put a scratch on.

If he has some, then again, it just might damage him. But the problem is DD will heal up and evolve on the fly for greater resistance.

Hulk solos.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
surfer
strange
Hulk
Namor
Genis Vell

No BFR

Who wins wat

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk solos.



Oh Carver, you always put a smile on my face at the end of the day.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk solos. Not with a claw sent through his brain or him gutted to the organs with those bony protrusions.

Defenders will smoke DD

Originally posted by the Darkone
Defenders will smoke DD You are underestimating DD's durability. DD has instant heal factor and on the fly adapting features. If the team doesn't take him out right away (they won't) then they never will (he get's more resistant and powerful as the fight goes on).

Originally posted by h1a8
Not with a claw sent through his brain or him gutted to the organs with those bony protrusions.
Lol you must've not have read a Hulk comic before. A Doombot cut pieces of his brain out with an Adamantium chainsaw while he was still awake and coherent and being gutted is a cakewalk for him to deal with. It's no guarantee Doomsday would pierce his skin either.

Team has too much power and versatility to lose to Doomsday.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Lol you must've not have read a Hulk comic before. A Doombot cut pieces of his brain out with an Adamantium chainsaw while he was still awake and coherent and being gutted is a cakewalk for him to deal with. It's no guarantee Doomsday would pierce his skin either.

Team has too much power and versatility to lose to Doomsday.

Doomsday could most definitely pierce Hulk's skin. Superman is far more durable (lacking HF, of course), and Doomsday has no problem piercing him.

But yeah, too much versatility and new moves Doomsday hasn't experienced before, he should probably die more often than not as long as the team is decently coordinated.

Originally posted by Cogito
Doomsday could most definitely pierce Hulk's skin. Superman is far more durable (lacking HF, of course), and Doomsday has no problem piercing him.

But yeah, too much versatility and new moves Doomsday hasn't experienced before, he should probably die more often than not as long as the team is decently coordinated.
These days it would be doubtful bud. Hulk is incredibly durable and is only really cut by Adamantium. Under Pak he would bleed profusely even from regular class 100 punches, under Waid, and Hickman aswell I haven't seen him bleed yet bar the Glaive that can cut atoms and it was implied his skin was still hard to cut.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
These days it would be doubtful bud. Hulk is incredibly durable and is only really cut by Adamantium. Under Pak he would bleed profusely even from regular class 100 punches, under Waid, and Hickman aswell I haven't seen him bleed yet bar the Glaive that can cut atoms and it was implied his skin was still hard to cut.


And Pak had Warpath cut his skin with vibranium knives and all that. Superman has taken attacks from persuader's axe which can and did cut through dimensions and time in the very same issue without being cut.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_as602p06.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_as602p07.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_as602p08.jpg

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_as602p13.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_as602p14.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_as602p15.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_as602p16-1.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_as602p17.jpg

Superman is insanely durable against cutting attack. Much more than hulk.

^ Yeah, without this devolving, if Superman gets cut, any other herald level being gets cut. End of story.

That's your opinion.

Don't make me use this, Carver

http://www.troll.me/images/full-retard/you-went-full-retard-never-go-full-retard.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
And Pak had Warpath cut his skin with vibranium knives and all that. Superman has taken attacks from persuader's axe which can and did cut through dimensions and time in the very same issue without being cut.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_as602p06.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_as602p07.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_as602p08.jpg

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_as602p13.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_as602p14.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_as602p15.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_as602p16-1.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_as602p17.jpg

Superman is insanely durable against cutting attack. Much more than hulk.
Yes which was under Pak aswell. Hulk has resisted Adamantium and Vibranium before though too it really depends on the writer, the last time he and Wolverine fought he only seemed to have scratches. I think Doomsday could scratch Hulk but I don't see his claws going clean through him just because he did it to Kal 20 years ago. Both Superman and Hulk have grown in power significantly since 1994.

In the scans you posted you can visibly see Superman is cut on his chest: http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/abhilegend/media/Superman/as602p16-1.jpg.html

And it's very debatable if the weapon cut through space/time in typical sense, it's not as if he swung the axe and it tore a hole in reality, Parker is spinning the axe similar to how Thor does with Mjolnir to create some kind of portal. IIRC he needed several swipes just to bring down the Daily Planet building.

Current Superman is more durable than current Hulk? I've seen Hulk bleed twice since Marvel NOW started, Gravage Hulk (same incarnation Pak used) was cut by Wolverine and Indestructible Hulk was cut by a weapon that can slice atoms in two. In between he has shrugged off everything from Adamantium melting weapons to being physically attacked by time itself without injury. Superman has some good feats but from what I've seen he bleeds more now than ever before.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Yes which was under Pak aswell. Hulk has resisted Adamantium and Vibranium before though too it really depends on the writer, the last time he and Wolverine fought he only seemed to have scratches. I think Doomsday could scratch Hulk but I don't see his claws going clean through him just because he did it to Kal 20 years ago. Both Superman and Hulk have grown in power significantly since 1994.

In the scans you posted you can visibly see Superman is cut on his chest: http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/abhilegend/media/Superman/as602p16-1.jpg.html

And it's very debatable if the weapon cut through space/time in typical sense, it's not as if he swung the axe and it tore a hole in reality, Parker is spinning the axe similar to how Thor does with Mjolnir to create some kind of portal. IIRC he needed several swipes just to bring down the Daily Planet building.

Current Superman is more durable than current Hulk? I've seen Hulk bleed twice since Marvel NOW started, Gravage Hulk (same incarnation Pak used) was cut by Wolverine and Indestructible Hulk was cut by a weapon that can slice atoms in two. In between he has shrugged off everything from Adamantium melting weapons to being physically attacked by time itself without injury. Superman has some good feats but from what I've seen he bleeds more now than ever before. Hulk has never resisted being cut by sharp adamantium objects. In WWH those things were penetrating him. And you are not correctly assessing the wolverine fight in WWH. Wolverine is shown to stab him up good (deeply) but remarks on how harder it is to do. DD is astronomically stronger than Logan and has pierced Superman like he was made of liquid. He even sent a claw through Superman's body like Superman wasn't even there.
Superman has always been significantly more durable than Hulk in every way (especially cutting force).

So if DD can send a claw completely through Superman as if he is made of liquid then he can do the same to Hulk.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Lol you must've not have read a Hulk comic before. A Doombot cut pieces of his brain out with an Adamantium chainsaw while he was still awake and coherent and being gutted is a cakewalk for him to deal with. It's no guarantee Doomsday would pierce his skin either.

Team has too much power and versatility to lose to Doomsday.

Being gutted would seriously damage Hulk but not take him completely out of the fight. Cutting pieces off the brain isn't anything. Human's can withstand that. Remember Hulk can be koed so let's not act like he can't. And being koed is a function of the brain being affected. Nothing can affect the brain more than sending a claw completely through it.

Team doesn't have enough power at all. DD is too durable. He tanked an attack that no one on the team can match. He heals instantly. He adapts on the fly to become more resistant or completely immune. So if they manage to scratch him up a little then he would simply heal and adapt to be even more resistant. Numbers doesn't stack power. It's still like fighting a bunch of fodder. Now combine all the members of the team into one being and now we have a fight. But as individuals I doubt they would do jack shit to DD but pis him off and make him more powerful and more unstoppable.

Also you are forgetting that DD is insanely fast and has the ability to blitz the entire team simultaneously before they can respond.

Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk has never resisted being cut by sharp adamantium objects. In WWH those things were penetrating him. And you are not correctly assessing the wolverine fight in WWH. Wolverine is shown to stab him up good (deeply) but remarks on how harder it is to do. DD is astronomically stronger than Logan and has pierced Superman like he was made of liquid. He even sent a claw through Superman's body like Superman wasn't even there.
Superman has always been significantly more durable than Hulk in every way (especially cutting force).

So if DD can send a claw completely through Superman as if he is made of liquid then he can do the same to Hulk.
I wasn't talking about the WWH fight with Wolverine, that happened 7 years ago and they have fought since then. Tbh H1 there's no point in replying to my post as you don't even read comics and have probably never read a Hulk book in your life.

The rest of your post is based on some pre-conceived notion that Hulk has never been as durable as Superman, not from reading the material yourself. Prior to Peter David jumping on the book in the late 80's/early 90's Hulk didn't need a healing factor and his body was indestructible. Now it seems the books have come full circle.

Well you believe HP Doomsday would beat any Marvel character short of Galactus so it's no surprise you think he would solo this team.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
I wasn't talking about the WWH fight with Wolverine, that happened 7 years ago and they have fought since then. Tbh H1 there's no point in replying to my post as you don't even read comics and have probably never read a Hulk book in your life.

The rest of your post is based on some pre-conceived notion that Hulk has never been as durable as Superman, not from reading the material yourself. Prior to Peter David jumping on the book in the late 80's/early 90's Hulk didn't need a healing factor and his body was indestructible. Now it seems the books have come full circle.

Well you believe HP Doomsday would beat any Marvel character short of Galactus so it's no surprise you think he would solo this team.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Yes which was under Pak aswell. So he was. Its one of the most defining runs in hulk's history. You can't just discard it. The last time Logan fought Hulk in savage wolverine, he stabbed clean through his skull and knocked him out. Its all been retconned later in wolverine origins. He would absolutely punch clean through Hulk, its not even in debate. So they did. Doomsday was still above a normal superman when superman was at his peak in OWAW.

WTF are you talking about? Its a cut on his costume. We see him closely in the next scan and there is no cut at all.


http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/as602p17.jpg

Then you don't know anything about Persuader's ax, do you? It cuts through anything and everything. Google it.

Who is talking about current hulk and current superman? Good thing he was also KTFO by residual energy from Thor, right? Like bleeding from mostly mystical attacks is such a bad thing. One thing's for sure, wolverine isn't stabbing him through head. Even Thor didn't got cut up so badly. Also this is about preboot superman and doomsday. When was the last time anybody cut preboot superman without magic? Google it and come back to me.

ABHI...Superman has been dropped by far less. Please don't start the lowballing. As for the durability part, Sorrow is right, nothing short of plot weapons has damaged indestructible Hulk. Example...I can't see Despero bone claws cutting this version of Hulk like it did Superman.

In the scan that Sorrow posted, you can see what appears to be an actual cut on Superman's chest, not just his suit.

http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/abhilegend/media/Superman/as602p16-1.jpg.html

I mean, that's what that line in between the cut through the s-shield seems to indicate in my honest opinion. Though in scans after that, it seems that the cut itself isn't shown save on his costume. Most logical (and fair) assumption would be that the axe DID cut Superman, but it was a glancing/superficial cut of some kind and Superman's body healed it in a matter of panels.

Still a pretty good feat for Superman, though.

Originally posted by carver9
ABHI...Superman has been dropped by far less. Like? Wolverine's claws disagree. Also combined with Despero's above superman level strength, why not?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like? Wolverine's claws disagree. Also combined with Despero's above superman level strength, why not?

Titus almost one shot killing him. Or, some magical birds dropping him.

Wolverine claws>>>>>Despero BONE claws.

Without question The Defenders

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
In the scan that Sorrow posted, you can see what appears to be an actual cut on Superman's chest, not just his suit.

http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/abhilegend/media/Superman/as602p16-1.jpg.html

I mean, that's what that line in between the cut through the s-shield seems to indicate in my honest opinion. Though in scans after that, it seems that the cut itself isn't shown save on his costume. Most logical (and fair) assumption would be that the axe DID cut Superman, but it was a glancing/superficial cut of some kind and Superman's body healed it in a matter of panels.

Still a pretty good feat for Superman, though.
This is just after the attack.
http://i.imgur.com/4QuyUFT.jpg

No cut at all.

Same after the scan sorrow mentioned.

http://i.imgur.com/XeIp3IU.jpg

So at best its an artist mistake.

Originally posted by carver9
Titus almost one shot killing him. Or, some magical birds dropping him.

Wolverine claws>>>>>Despero BONE claws.
Titus was a God, make your mind about it. Again some magical birds.

Why? Does wolverine gets despero's strength too? Wolverine's bone claws have cut hulk too BTW.

Originally posted by h1a8
HP wins. Heals instantly adapts on the fly. Basically already immune to team's energy projection (tanked full force OB and entire JL blasts without having to adapt). The only way for the team to beat DD is if they do it physically and instantly (before it can fully heal or adapt). But I'm not sure the team can do it, especially with HP attacking and moving so fast and either hitting some of the away. dude surfer and strange could team up and beat him.
Hell I don't know that much about strange but im pretty sure he can Fking solo HP

Originally posted by abhilegend
Titus was a God, make your mind about it. Again some magical birds.

Why? Does wolverine gets despero's strength too? Wolverine's bone claws have cut hulk too BTW.


Thor is a god along with numerous of other people Hulk has fought. It doesn't matter since I'm not trying to get into a lowball contest with you. No one asked you what type of energy attack stopped Hulk, Sorrow is talking about current Hulk vs Piercing attacks.

Wolverine claws has better fts than Despero claws and Wolverine claws is made out of one of fhe strongest metals in comics. Despero bone claws isn't close to being as durable, let alone sharper than Adamantium claws...especially based off fts.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor is a god along with numerous of other people Hulk has fought. It doesn't matter since I'm not trying to get into a lowball contest with you. No one asked you what type of energy attack stopped Hulk, Sorrow is talking about current Hulk vs Piercing attacks. The same way blunt force making superman bleed has nothing to do with piercing attacks.

That's why his bone claws have failed to cut steel. It doesn't have to be. Despero's strength coupled with his claws are enough to scratch superman. Just like Wendigo being able to carve hulk like a turkey in the same comic where wolverine couldn't. Doesn't makes Wendigo's claws more durable or sharper than wolverine. Its because of his strength+claws.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The same way blunt force making superman bleed has nothing to do with piercing attacks.

That's why his bone claws have failed to cut steel. It doesn't have to be. Despero's strength coupled with his claws are enough to scratch superman. Just like Wendigo being able to carve hulk like a turkey in the same comic where wolverine couldn't. Doesn't makes Wendigo's claws more durable or sharper than wolverine. Its because of his strength+claws.

I told you to stop TRYING to bring up low showings involving indestructible Hulk because for one, Thor energy output doesn't have a thing to do with piercing, and two, I said what I said because Superman has fts just as bad. You asked me what, so I told you. You basically tried to bait Sorrow into another dispute that was outside of his interpretation of Hulk durability vs piercing damage (the typical ABHI).

When did Wendigo cut Indestructible Hulk? You know, the same Hulk Sorrow was talking about (stop baiting ABHI).

Like I've said before, based off fts, Wolverine claws are more durable and much more sharper than Despero bone claws. Also, when did Wolverine cut Waid Hulk? If you're using current Hulk in general, the last time Wolverine and Hulk fought, Hulk was weakened...being injected by some type of poison that was taking his strength.

Originally posted by carver9
I told you to stop TRYING to bring up low showings involving indestructible Hulk because for one, Thor energy output doesn't have a thing to do with piercing, and two, I said what I said because Superman has fts just as bad. That wasn't in reply to you to begin with. it was Sorrow. Stop being a petulant boy. And you're what, his knight in armor?

When did DD went against Current Superman? Shut up.

And based on feats Despero is much more stronger than superman, let alone wolverine. You know how knives work, don't you carver? Force and surface area and whatnot? Savage Wolverine which was published in Marvel Now. He stabbed through Hulk's head and KTFO him.

The Hulk wankage has always been like this, even when you had PC Superman, Hulk fans always claimed that Hulk will win.

So no, Hulk cannot solo DD, The Defenders can win but Hulkie boy is not soloing Doomsday.

And yes DD will pierce Hulk's skin, and I believe that IF Hulk will get to punch DD it will hurt Hulk hands, that's how durable DD is

Lol at Hulk hurting his hands punching Doomsday. Also, Hulk can solo this.

Hulk solos. Pretty much the most obvious Defender to take on Doomsday, the only one who would naturally surpass Doomsday's powers.

He's simply that powerful, and Marvel don't seem squeamish about depicting him that way either.

Originally posted by janus77
Hulk solos. Pretty much the most obvious Defender to take on Doomsday, the only one who would naturally surpass Doomsday's powers.

He's simply that powerful, and Marvel don't seem squeamish about depicting him that way either.

The character fts has been insane as of late and people just dont want to acknowledge it...especially when we have people saying Hulk will hurt his hands punching Doomsday. When has something like that EVER happen with the Hulk. Hulk isn't S********** (I'm sure he is saying that bc his character hurt his fist punching Doomsday).

Give the character the credit he deserves...this isn't hard to do.

Also, thumbs up at your post Janus.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol at Hulk hurting his hands punching Doomsday. Also, Hulk can solo this.

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/VS%20DOOMSDAY/th_SMAC648_18_zps340d2f5a.jpg



No he can't give it up

I should make a tread to see if hulk can solo the JLA with one hand tied behind his back

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/VS%20DOOMSDAY/th_SMAC648_18_zps340d2f5a.jpg



No he can't give it up

I should make a tread to see if hulk can solo the JLA with one hand tied behind his back

That's Superman hurting his hands. Nothing like that has EVER happened with the Hulk and he has fought some of the most powerful beings on the planet. Superman and Hulk isn't interchangeable. Point to a time Hulk has hurt his hands punching anything...especially in a fight. Just like Superman blitzing a character and him not registering Superman blows. Things like that doesn't happen with the Hulk...EVER.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
surfer
strange
Hulk
Namor
Genis Vell

No BFR

Who wins

Team can win with bfr. And a big, the biggest lol ever at Hulk soloing HP DD.

Originally posted by carver9
That's Superman hurting his hands. Nothing like that has EVER happened with the Hulk and he has fought some of the most powerful beings on the planet. Superman and Hulk isn't interchangeable. Point to a time Hulk has hurt his hands punching anything...especially in a fight. Just like Superman blitzing a character and him not registering Superman blows. Things like that doesn't happen with the Hulk...EVER.

Now are you gonna come up with the fantasy tale that Hulk is more durable or invulnerable than Superman?

Yes I know Hulk is no Superman and that Wall is not Doomsday (BTW, Walls don't fight back)

Is obvious

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Marvel%20Comics/Hulks%20limits/th_Hulk468_03b_zps49b40747.jpg http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Marvel%20Comics/Hulks%20limits/th_Hulk468_04a_zps81751e21.jpg http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Marvel%20Comics/Hulks%20limits/th_Hulk468_04b_zps13375aeb.jpg doctor

Keep pushing it buddy

Carver doesn't know anything about hulk, does he?

Defenders wins, but Hulk is not beating HP Doomsday all by his lonesome.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Now are you gonna come up with the fantasy tale that Hulk is more durable or invulnerable than Superman?

Yes I know Hulk is no Superman and that Wall is not Doomsday (BTW, Walls don't fight back)

Is obvious

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Marvel%20Comics/Hulks%20limits/th_Hulk468_03b_zps49b40747.jpg http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Marvel%20Comics/Hulks%20limits/th_Hulk468_04a_zps81751e21.jpg http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Marvel%20Comics/Hulks%20limits/th_Hulk468_04b_zps13375aeb.jpg doctor

Keep pushing it buddy

Just like I thought. You don't have scans of him punching someone and.them just standing there tanking it.

Originally posted by abhilegend


Carver doesn't know anything about hulk, does he?

When.did I say I read EVERYTHING involving Hulk? I don't go around asking people for partial scans of comics like you do Superman.

Originally posted by carver9
When.did I say I read EVERYTHING involving Hulk? I don't go around asking people for partial scans of comics like you do Superman.
And when did I say that I know all about superman? Its better to ask for knowledge than to live in ignorance like you do. Also what partial scans carter? Is this the same "LOL debunked" argument?

Abhi, Carver, stop it. You're both on the same side here.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And when did I say that I know all about superman? Its better to ask for knowledge than to live in ignorance like you do. Also what partial scans carter? Is this the same "LOL debunked" argument?

Reread what I asked Rao to show me. Then compare it to what he did show me.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Abhi, Carver, stop it. You're both on the same side here.

Lol...me and ABHI is always fighting.

It hurts me.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It hurts me.

I literally screamed out laughing.

Originally posted by carver9
Reread what I asked Rao to show me. Then compare it to what he did show me.
Did I comment on anything salsa said? I was commenting on your lack of knowledge about everything.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Did I comment on anything salsa said? I was commenting on your lack of knowledge about everything.


Ok.

Originally posted by carver9
Point to a time Hulk has hurt his hands punching anything...especially in a fight.

I just did

What is the meaning of "anything" a wall fits in there.

Hulk is fighting a wall and he gets his hands hurt.

There, there carvy, don't feel bad, isnot the first time I prove you wrong, you should be used to it now.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I just did

What is the meaning of "anything" a wall fits in there.

Hulk is fighting a wall and he gets his hands hurt.

There, there carvy, don't feel bad, isnot the first time I prove you wrong, you should be used to it now.

Where did he hurt his hands in your scans?

I guess you can't find scans of an enemy just standing there enduring Hulk punches huh?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/6955/787484-hulk_scares_supes.jpg

shifty

Lolololololol...good attempt buddy. You're the best. Post the scene before that.

Originally posted by carver9
Where did he hurt his hands in your scans?

I guess you can't find scans of an enemy just standing there enduring Hulk punches huh?

Reported for denying the evidence.

When you can debate like a man, get back to me.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Reported for denying the evidence.

When you can debate like a man, get back to me.

Lol...so you are reporting me over something I dont see? Really Rao?

I also asked you to show me some scans of someone standing there enduring Hulk punches.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...so you are reporting me over something I dont see? Really Rao?

I also asked you to show me some scans of someone standing there enduring Hulk punches.


Nah! I did not reported you, I was just kidding.

But I did show you what you asked, so just relax and enjoy it, in time you won't feel pain anymore and you will also like it.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Nah! I did not reported you, I was just kidding.

But I did show you what you asked, so just relax and enjoy it, in time you won't feel pain anymore and you will also like it.

Sigh, you said Hulk would hurt his hands punching Doomsday. When has something like this happened to the Hulk. That's all I'm asking.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Now are you gonna come up with the fantasy tale that Hulk is more durable or invulnerable than Superman?

Yes I know Hulk is no Superman and that Wall is not Doomsday (BTW, Walls don't fight back)

Is obvious

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Keep pushing it buddy

Where did it say that Hulk hurt his hands punching the wall? I haven't read the comic in a while but it seems to be clearly referring to emotional pain. IIRC, it's because Betty died. It's #468 if anyone wants to double check.

And if that's the safe house Banner built, Hulk's also broken out of it easily later on. Remember, dynamic strength.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Where did it say that Hulk hurt his hands punching the wall? I haven't read the comic in a while but it seems to be clearly referring to emotional pain. IIRC, it's because Betty died. It's #468 if anyone wants to double check.

And if that's the safe house Banner built, Hulk's also broken out of it easily later on. Remember, dynamic strength.

Well now I hope you guys won't claim that hulk does not feel physical pain on his hands, because that would be a no no.

Does hulk can feel physical pain?

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Well now I hope you guys won't claim that hulk does not feel physical pain on his hands, because that would be a no no.

Did you post a scan of him experiencing physical pain while punching someone? In your scan, he didnt hurt his fist.

Originally posted by carver9
Did you post a scan of him experiencing physical pain while punching someone? In your scan, he didnt hurt his fist.

You are not implying that he can feel pain, but only when punching he can't feel pain right?

Where is tha scan of hulk hitting mjolnir?

Come on kid stop playing dumb,

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
You are not implying that he can feel pain, but only when punching he can't feel pain right?

Where is tha scan of hulk hitting mjolnir?

Come on kid stop playing dumb,

So you have a scan of Hulk punching someone and hurting his hands during the process? Simple question.

Also, do you have a scan of someone standing in one spot tanking Hulk punches. Hulk is by far one of the hardest punchers in comics. No one is going to stand in one spot enduring his rampage. Especially Hulks like Indestructible Hulk, WWH, War Hulk, and WBH.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Well now I hope you guys won't claim that hulk does not feel physical pain on his hands, because that would be a no no.

Does hulk can feel physical pain?

What does this have to do with the point you were making?

You posted the Doomsday scan in what I'm assuming was a hint at Hulk hurting his hands punching Doomsday as well? The wall scan does not back up this stance as it seems likely the pain was referring to an emotional one that Hulk felt.

Not to mention the idea in of itself is imo legit ridiculous. I find it unlikely that even Gray Hulk would hurt his hands punching DOS Doomsday. Banner has a long history of laying a beat down on someone with an Adamantium skeleton. It's honestly more of a low showing for Superman then anything else as Maxima and others struck Doomsday in that event as I recall.

I guess you could argue that Superman had been fighting for longer and had been worn down but that isn't applicable to Hulk either as he'd only get stronger and tougher the longer the fight lasts, not the other way around.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What does this have to do with the point you were making?

You posted the Doomsday scan in what I'm assuming was a hint at Hulk hurting his hands punching Doomsday as well? The wall scan does not back up this stance as it seems likely the pain was referring to an emotional one that Hulk felt.

Not to mention the idea in of itself is imo legit ridiculous. I find it unlikely that Gray Hulk would hurt his hands punching DOS Doomsday. Banner has a long history of laying a beat down on someone with an Adamantium skeleton. It's honestly more of a low showing for Superman then anything else as Maxima and others struck Doomsday in that event as I recall.

I guess you could argue that Superman had been fighting for longer and had been worn down but that isn't applicable to Hulk either as he'd only get stronger and tougher the longer the fight lasts, not the other way around.

Why are people even talking about Superfag in this thread?

Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk has never resisted being cut by sharp adamantium objects. In WWH those things were penetrating him. And you are not correctly assessing the wolverine fight in WWH. Wolverine is shown to stab him up good (deeply) but remarks on how harder it is to do. DD is astronomically stronger than Logan and has pierced Superman like he was made of liquid. He even sent a claw through Superman's body like Superman wasn't even there.
Superman has always been significantly more durable than Hulk in every way (especially cutting force).

So if DD can send a claw completely through Superman as if he is made of liquid then he can do the same to Hulk.

"Hulk has never resisted being cut by sharp adamantium objects."

Wolverine couldn't break his skin during their debut match.
It wasn't until Fixit that they went back and retconed the mechanic to Hulk healing so fast that Wolverine didn't realize he could cut him.

I haven't read any of the original Doomsday shit since I was like 15, but was Hunter/Prey Doomsday the one who just continually evolved as he fought? He didn't need to die or anything? IIRC the only way he was beaten was being put in a continuous teleportation loop or something because he couldn't even be BFR'd.

If that's who we're talking about here then Doomsday destroys, the only shot the Defenders have is Genis-Vell.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor is a god along with numerous of other people Hulk has fought. It doesn't matter since I'm not trying to get into a lowball contest with you. No one asked you what type of energy attack stopped Hulk, Sorrow is talking about current Hulk vs Piercing attacks.

Wolverine claws has better fts than Despero claws and Wolverine claws is made out of one of fhe strongest metals in comics. Despero bone claws isn't close to being as durable, let alone sharper than Adamantium claws...especially based off fts.

Wolverine also put his claws through Gladiator's shoulder with minimal effort.

It really varies by writer, but Wolvie (overall) can cut even superclone class hitters most of the time.

That said- Waid Hulk resisted the weapon used to mold Adamantium in the first place. Personally- I would call that a trump to tanking a claw swipe.
Indestructible Hulk is being written as... well, indestructible. For the most part.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
I haven't read any of the original Doomsday shit since I was like 15, but was Hunter/Prey Doomsday the one who just continually evolved as he fought? He didn't need to die or anything? IIRC the only way he was beaten was being put in a continuous teleportation loop or something because he couldn't even be BFR'd.

If that's who we're talking about here then Doomsday destroys, the only shot the Defenders have is Genis-Vell.

H/P was a brute. He snapped Superman's arm like a dry twig as I recall.
Defenders would have their work cut out for them.
That said, creative team synergy would allow for a LOT of attack options.

Dr. Strange could (for example) cast a spell to make Hulk feel all the rage and pain of every soul in Hell. That would give the team WB on tap.

Tactical use of power such as this should allow them to trump even HP/DD, IMO.

But it would be far from a cakewalk. DD will straight up kill one of them if they get sloppy.

Do you remember if Doomsday continually evolved in combat during that story? I think he did..

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Do you remember if Doomsday continually evolved in combat during that story? I think he did..

You are correct sir.

Superman tried to compensate with advanced weapons, but it just wasn't enough.

DD was a monster in that run.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
I wasn't talking about the WWH fight with Wolverine, that happened 7 years ago and they have fought since then. Tbh H1 there's no point in replying to my post as you don't even read comics and have probably never read a Hulk book in your life.

The rest of your post is based on some pre-conceived notion that Hulk has never been as durable as Superman, not from reading the material yourself. Prior to Peter David jumping on the book in the late 80's/early 90's Hulk didn't need a healing factor and his body was indestructible. Now it seems the books have come full circle.

Well you believe HP Doomsday would beat any Marvel character short of Galactus so it's no surprise you think he would solo this team. only an idiot an troll would think that hulks durability was equal to superman. Just look at their history of feats?
You can't take Hulks best vs. Supermans average to prove your point.

Look at the facts.
1. Heralds can't scratch DD, not even DO
2. DD heals instantly, so no progress would get made
3. DD adapts on the fly, if you don't beat him quickly then you would never beat him.
4. DD is much faster than the team. He blitz the entire JL simultaneously before they can react.

If you think DO loses then your are ignoring his durability, healing factor, speed, bony sharp protrusions, ability to become more resistant on the fly, or a combination of any of those.

Originally posted by h1a8
only an idiot an troll would think that hulks durability was equal to superman. Just look at their history of feats?
You can't take Hulks best vs. Supermans average to prove your point.

Look at the facts.
1. Heralds can't scratch DD, not even DO
2. DD heals instantly, so no progress would get made
3. DD adapts on the fly, if you don't beat him quickly then you would never beat him.
4. DD is much faster than the team. He blitz the entire JL simultaneously before they can react.

If you think DO loses then your are ignoring his durability, healing factor, speed, bony sharp protrusions, ability to become more resistant on the fly, or a combination of any of those.

I agree that Superman is more durable than Hulk. Even in current Waid form, Supes trumps in durability Feats.

By contrast Hulk's healing factor is vastly superior to Superman's. And it increases along with his strength level. So the end result is often comparable.

I disagree that someone must ignore DD's Feats in order to win this match.
They need only prove that this team can mimic the effect of said Feats. Doomsday is not undefeatable, even in this incarnation.

This team brings a lot of synergy to the table. Surfer and Genis combined can mimic most Molecule Man Feats (save the crazy Beyonder class stuff).
Dr. Strange could untap Hulk's potential and turn on World Breaker from the gate.
He could then use any number of deus ex magical combinations to attack DD. He could mimic the effects of going Zom on him if he deemed it necessary.

Namor is very good at whistling.

And with molecular manipulation on hand, the containment power of this team is pretty off the charts.

I can see them taking HP DD down. Not easily, and certainly not without risk... but they can do it.

Jax, please don't waste your time with H1.

Originally posted by jaxthejester
I agree that Superman is more durable than Hulk. Even in current Waid form, Supes trumps in durability Feats.

By contrast Hulk's healing factor is vastly superior to Superman's. And it increases along with his strength level. So the end result is often comparable.

I disagree that someone must ignore DD's Feats in order to win this match.
They need only prove that this team can mimic the effect of said Feats. Doomsday is not undefeatable, even in this incarnation.

This team brings a lot of synergy to the table. Surfer and Genis combined can mimic most Molecule Man Feats (save the crazy Beyonder class stuff).
Dr. Strange could untap Hulk's potential and turn on World Breaker from the gate.
He could then use any number of deus ex magical combinations to attack DD. He could mimic the effects of going Zom on him if he deemed it necessary.

Namor is very good at whistling.

And with molecular manipulation on hand, the containment power of this team is pretty off the charts.

I can see them taking HP DD down. Not easily, and certainly not without risk... but they can do it.
1. DD is absolutely unbeatable IF one is giving their all and he doesn't die right away. You have to end him quickly or you are never beating him.

2. DD tanked an attack that no one on the team can match in power.

3. DD can potentially one shot many members on the team if he gets his claw through their brain. He penetrated Superman like he was jello and broke his arm against his power like a twig.

I don't see how Hulk can get past the evolution. What if Doomsday starts canceling out Gamma rays a la The Radiant? Then the only true physical threat is gone.

^ Such a situation would hardly be analogous to Hulk, yes? If this were Living Laser, then I could see the Radiant situation occur. But Hulk isn't an energy being. He's a brick powered by gamma radiation. Like Superman is a brick powered by solar radiation. Doomsday never canceled out Superman's solar energy in his cells.

Originally posted by carver9
So you have a scan of Hulk punching someone and hurting his hands during the process? Simple question.

Also, do you have a scan of someone standing in one spot tanking Hulk punches. Hulk is by far one of the hardest punchers in comics. No one is going to stand in one spot enduring his rampage. Especially Hulks like Indestructible Hulk, WWH, War Hulk, and WBH. Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What does this have to do with the point you were making?

You posted the Doomsday scan in what I'm assuming was a hint at Hulk hurting his hands punching Doomsday as well? The wall scan does not back up this stance as it seems likely the pain was referring to an emotional one that Hulk felt.

Not to mention the idea in of itself is imo legit ridiculous. I find it unlikely that even Gray Hulk would hurt his hands punching DOS Doomsday. Banner has a long history of laying a beat down on someone with an Adamantium skeleton. It's honestly more of a low showing for Superman then anything else as Maxima and others struck Doomsday in that event as I recall.

I guess you could argue that Superman had been fighting for longer and had been worn down but that isn't applicable to Hulk either as he'd only get stronger and tougher the longer the fight lasts, not the other way around.

Before I continue answering to this silly idea of Rage and Carver that Hulk's hands do not feel pain or that is impossible for hulk to feel pain while punching.

I just want to double check if this is where you both stand on the issue.

I say Hulk will hurt his hands because Superman hurt his hands punching Doomsday, since I believe Superman is stronger and more durable than Hulk, I say that Hulk is more likely to hurt his hands fighting Doomsday.

You guys apparently are saying that Hulk will not hurt his hands while fighting Doomsday because apparently Carver says that Hulk somehow has never feel pain in his hands and thus it is impossible for hulk o feel pain, Rage is somewhere on the same stance.

So just to double check, Is this the stand you both are taking?

Because so far Carver has been backtracking as usual

Hulk is stronger and more resilient than Superman. Hulk keeps getting stronger, more resilient and faster.

Hulk's HF makes him "functionally immortal" according to Maestro. So why would he "hurt his hands" punching Doomsday?

Hulk has busted planetoids, time, Celestial level weaponry, pure energy and even adamantium.

I doubt Doomsday's spikes are tougher than Peak Form Onslaught's body, but Hulk cracked that open without causing himself any pain.

There surely is a level at which Hulk would feel pain, but we haven't seen it yet and the evidence we have seems to indicate it is far above Doomsday.

@Rao

Provide scans of Hulk punching someone hurting his hands. As pointed out, Hulk has punched and dented adamantium with no damage or cry out in pain. The question is, do you believe Doomsday is as durable as adamantium. Also, it's your opinion if you think Superman is stronger than Hulk....imo, Hulk is stronger and I would even argue that current Hulk is more durable.

I have never witnessed a character standing there withstanding ongoing punches from Hulk. It just doesn't happen. Even skyfathers like Zeus was sent flying by a punch from Hulk. Even Onslaught was turned to dust by a punch from Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
Point to a time Hulk has hurt his hands punching anything...especially in a fight. Just like Superman blitzing a character and him not registering Superman blows. Things like that doesn't happen with the Hulk...EVER.

This is YOUR original stand, just to make sure, you don't backtrack. And be aware that Superman can break prometium like paper also as far as I remember I have not seen Superman hurting his hands, ever until He faced Doomsday

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Before I continue answering to this silly idea of Rage and Carver that Hulk's hands do not feel pain or that is impossible for hulk to feel pain while punching.

I just want to double check if this is where you both stand on the issue.

I say Hulk will hurt his hands because Superman hurt his hands punching Doomsday, since I believe Superman is stronger and more durable than Hulk, I say that Hulk is more likely to hurt his hands fighting Doomsday.

You guys apparently are saying that Hulk will not hurt his hands while fighting Doomsday because apparently Carver says that Hulk somehow has never feel pain in his hands and thus it is impossible for hulk o feel pain, Rage is somewhere on the same stance.

So just to double check, Is this the stand you both are taking?

Because so far Carver has been backtracking as usual That's not what either of them are saying.

So if your plan is to disprove a strawman you've made up and projected onto them (and ignoring what they're actually saying) by showing a scene of something like Thor swinging Mjolnir into Hulk's swinging fist and hurting him, then it's a pointless plan.

Originally posted by ODG
That's not what either of them are saying.

So if your plan is to disprove a strawman you've made up and projected onto them (and ignoring what they're actually saying) by showing a scene of something like Thor swinging Mjolnir into Hulk's swinging fist and hurting him, then it's a pointless plan.

That is what they are saying, that Hulk cannot hurt his hands, which is a silly idea, Hulk doe feel pain weather is on his hands or any other part of his body.

Here is Carvers post

Originally posted by carver9
That's Superman hurting his hands. Nothing like that has EVER happened with the Hulk and he has fought some of the most powerful beings on the planet. Superman and Hulk isn't interchangeable. Point to a time Hulk has hurt his hands punching anything...especially in a fight. Just like Superman blitzing a character and him not registering Superman blows. Things like that doesn't happen with the Hulk...EVER.

^ Rage.Of.Olympus already picked up on and dismissed the strawman you tried to establish: Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What does this have to do with the point you were making? As for carver9, he's pretty much invited you to answer his question directly numerous times: Originally posted by carver9
Lol at Hulk hurting his hands punching Doomsday. Also, Hulk can solo this. Originally posted by carver9
Sigh, you said Hulk would hurt his hands punching Doomsday. When has something like this happened to the Hulk. That's all I'm asking. Originally posted by carver9
Did you post a scan of him experiencing physical pain while punching someone? In your scan, he didnt hurt his fist. Originally posted by carver9
So you have a scan of Hulk punching someone and hurting his hands during the process? Simple question. Originally posted by carver9
Provide scans of Hulk punching someone hurting his hands. Show carver9 a scan of Hulk punching somebody and hurting his hands. If you're so devoted to debating this with carver9, then you shouldn't ignore the same question he's repeated half a dozen times. Otherwise, you're just talking past him and to an imaginary poster. Presumably because you can't actually address what he is stating/asking.

^Because BOTH of them are saying that this has never happened to the Hulk, which is a LIE

Originally posted by carver9
Point to a time Hulk has hurt his hands punching anything...especially in a fight. Things like that doesn't happen with the Hulk...EVER.

And You are aware that this is a lie too.

Originally posted by ODG
That's not what either of them are saying.

So if your plan is to disprove a strawman you've made up and projected onto them (and ignoring what they're actually saying) by showing a scene of something like Thor swinging Mjolnir into Hulk's swinging fist and hurting him, then it's a pointless plan.

Originally posted by ODG
That's not what either of them are saying.

This is what Rage says

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I find it unlikely that even Gray Hulk would hurt his hands punching DOS Doomsday.

And this is what carver says

Originally posted by carver9
That's Superman hurting his hands. Nothing like that has EVER happened with the Hulk and he has fought some of the most powerful beings on the planet. Point to a time Hulk has hurt his hands punching anything...especially in a fight. Things like that doesn't happen with the Hulk...EVER.

So that is what BOTH are saying, while Rage position is less extreme than Carver's both are pointing out at the same thing


Originally posted by ODG
So if your plan is to disprove a strawman you've made up and projected onto them (and ignoring what they're actually saying) by showing a scene of something like Thor swinging Mjolnir into Hulk's swinging fist and hurting him, then it's a pointless plan.

Strawman? They are saying that Hulk somehow cannot hurt his hands in a fight? and is exactly what happened.

Doomsday is more durable than Thing perhaps.

http://i.imgur.com/0sS9cHL.jpg

No?

Originally posted by Insane Titan
surfer
strange
Hulk
Namor
Genis Vell

No BFR

Who wins

TROMP STOMP
Team 1

As I have learned there is really no upper limit to SS Power Cosmic and for that matter Hulks..

Hulk'SS Stomps

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
This is what Rage says

And this is what carver says

So that is what BOTH are saying One is doubting that Hulk would hurt his hands punching someone like Doomsday.

The other is doubting that Hulk has historically hurt his hands punching someone like Doomsday.

That is what they are saying. Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Strawman? They are saying that Hulk somehow cannot hurt his hands in a fight? and is exactly what happened. Neither of them are arguing Hulk feels no pain in his hands ever. If Wolverine cut his thumb, it'd hurt. If Mjolnir were to slam down on his pinky, it'd hurt. Neither has anything really to do with Hulk hurting his hands just punching Doomsday's face or body. And that's made fairly clear in their individual posts along with the full context of the ongoing conversation where they both pretty much have called you out on the strawman you've tried to force.

All this time spent trying to argue against a proposition nobody cares about isn't getting you anywhere. You'd be better served trying to actually find a scan of Hulk hurting his hands punching someone like Doomsday.

And this

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Marvel%20Comics/Thor%20VS%20Hulk/th_HulkANN2001_18b.jpg

^ So you just showed the exact scene I announced -- like two posts ago -- that you would try to use to disprove a strawman nobody has even argued for and that has been repeatedly pointed out.

Good job validating exactly how pointless this avenue was.

Originally posted by ODG
One is doubting that Hulk would hurt his hands punching someone like Doomsday.

The other is doubting that Hulk has historically hurt his hands punching someone like Doomsday.

That is what they are saying. Neither of them are arguing Hulk feels no pain in his hands ever. If Wolverine cut his thumb, it'd hurt. If Mjolnir were to slam down on his pinky, it'd hurt. Neither has anything really to do with Hulk hurting his hands just punching Doomsday's face or body. And that's made fairly clear in their individual posts along with the full context of the ongoing conversation where they both pretty much have called you out on the strawman you've tried to force.

All this time spent trying to argue against a proposition nobody cares about isn't getting you anywhere. You'd be better served trying to actually find a scan of Hulk hurting his hands punching someone like Doomsday.


Yea big difference between Thor slamming hammer on his pinky with a cheap shot vs Hulk Smash on Doomsday face..

Have we all forgotten Superman went Blow for Blow with Doombot, and we are going to argue "my fingers hurt"

Originally posted by ODG
One is doubting that Hulk would hurt his hands punching someone like Doomsday.

The other is doubting that Hulk has historically hurt his hands punching someone like Doomsday.

That is what they are saying. Neither of them are arguing Hulk feels no pain in his hands ever. If Wolverine cut his thumb, it'd hurt. If Mjolnir were to slam down on his pinky, it'd hurt. Neither has anything really to do with Hulk hurting his hands just punching Doomsday's face or body. And that's made fairly clear in their individual posts along with the full context of the ongoing conversation where they both pretty much have called you out on the strawman you've tried to force.

All this time spent trying to argue against a proposition nobody cares about isn't getting you anywhere. You'd be better served trying to actually find a scan of Hulk hurting his hands punching someone like Doomsday.

No, Rage is saying that he doubts that GREY Hulk will hurt his hands fighting Doomsday

Carver says that Hulk has NEVER (historically) hurt his hands punching ANYTHING

Like I said Rage position is less extreme, but both are wrong.

And I do care about the proposition because Carver and his minions do this a lot of times. But I have to make sure I have Carver where I want him, so He can't backtrack and change arguments like He always does.

Can someone show a scan of Hulk Raged saying "ouch" after throwing a punch?

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Before I continue answering to this silly idea of Rage and Carver that Hulk's hands do not feel pain or that is impossible for hulk to feel pain while punching.

I just want to double check if this is where you both stand on the issue.

I say Hulk will hurt his hands because Superman hurt his hands punching Doomsday, since I believe Superman is stronger and more durable than Hulk, I say that Hulk is more likely to hurt his hands fighting Doomsday.

You guys apparently are saying that Hulk will not hurt his hands while fighting Doomsday because apparently Carver says that Hulk somehow has never feel pain in his hands and thus it is impossible for hulk o feel pain, Rage is somewhere on the same stance.

So just to double check, Is this the stand you both are taking?

Because so far Carver has been backtracking as usual

You're not even making any sense. No one said that Hulk's hands cannot feel pain. I'm simply saying that there is almost no chance they'd feel pain punching Doomsday. If you disagree, I can list all the times Hulk's faced beings as strong/tough as Doomsday or more so and not felt any damage. Heck, Thor who's not quite as strong as Hulk has a history of trading blows with the f*cking Destroyer.

Superman is NOT stronger or as strong as Hulk, especially while holding back during the Bryne era. And again, that Superman scan is an anomaly more then anything else as we see Maxima and Bloodwynd landing blows.

Also, where exactly do you think this argument is going to lead to? Punching Doomsday could be fracturing fingers on Hulk's hands but so what? Exactly what will this accomplish except Hulk getting angrier and stronger? Do you think Hulk is a stranger to some small amount to pain and will suddenly falter? Even in the scans you posted Superman kept pushing through and he's no Hulk.

Originally posted by Supra
Yea big difference between Thor slamming hammer on his pinky with a cheap shot vs Hulk Smash on Doomsday face..

Have we all forgotten Superman went Blow for Blow with Doombot, and we are going to argue "my fingers hurt"

If it matters, rather than Mjolnir swinging into his fist, here's a scene where Hulk punches Mjolnir when it's used to just block his punch -- and it doesn't hurt Hulk:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20T-Z/HulkvsThor23Thor385.jpg

And here's where Hulk punches the Destroyer, also built of enchanted uru, and not hurting his fist:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsDestroyer05.jpg

So, I mean, yes, there is a subtle difference between punching a durable person, punching a durable object, and getting your fist hit by a durable object. A difference that seems to have been lost here. But I'd argue that it wasn't accidental. It was purposeful. Just purposefully strawmanning the actual discussion.

Originally posted by ODG
^ So you just showed the exact scene I announced -- like two posts ago -- that you would try to use to disprove a strawman nobody has even argued for and that has been repeatedly pointed out.

Good job validating exactly how pointless this avenue was.

And how is that bad? You knew it, because You do read comics.

Other's don't and that is why they claim that historically hulk has never hurt his hands.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
No, Rage is saying that he doubts that GREY Hulk will hurt his hands fighting Doomsday

Carver says doubts that Hulk has NEVER (historically) hurt his hands punching ANYTHING SOMEONE like Doomsday Fixed for accuracy.

Now go ahead and address what they said instead of what you want them to have said. Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Like I said Rage position is less extreme, but both are wrong.

And I do care about the proposition because Carver and his minions do this a lot of times. But I have to make sure I have Carver where I want him, so He can't backtrack and change arguments like He always does. Prove it then.

You care about the proposition you forced onto the discussion. It's become rather clear that you don't care what they're actually arguing though. There's a difference. And the language barrier can only account for so much when it's been pointed out several times.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
And how is that bad? You knew it, because You do read comics.

Other's don't and that is why they claim that historically hulk has never hurt his hands.

There is a big difference between Thor swinging Mjolnir (And I'm not sure why it was brought up because Doomsday is no enchanted Uru) at Hulk's fists and Hulk punching Doomsday's body.

If you cannot understand that, you need to take a step back bro.

Originally posted by ODG
Just purposefully strawmanning the actual discussion.

Yes I just went through all the scans, did not see any ouch when he fist stops the hammer...then thrashes thor some more..The last thing Hulk is thinking about is his hands other then when they are smashing Doombots face in.

Not To Mention SS will AMP if necessary and then proceed to wreck bot some more, then he gets off his board, turn that into a hammer and starts wrecking doom some more..


There is no option here but loss for Doomsday. Any other arguing about "fingers hurting" is complete nonsense and trolling..

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
And how is that bad? You knew it, because You do read comics.

Other's don't and that is why they claim that historically hulk has never hurt his hands. I know that when someone swings a powerful Skyfather-enchanted weapon onto Hulk's hand, it can hurt Hulk. A retarded 6-yr old knows that. And nobody cares to dispute it.

Pretending like that is the crux of the argument isn't establishing any sort of pretense that you've gained traction here. And like I said, I wasn't the only one, or the first one, to point out your strawman. But whatever. I'm sorry I defused your supposed ace-in-the-hole scan before you got a chance to post it yourself to people who don't give a sh1t about it and which has little (if anything) to do with the actual discussion being had.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
There is a big difference between Thor swinging Mjolnir (And I'm not sure why it was brought up because Doomsday is no enchanted Uru) at Hulk's fists and Hulk punching Doomsday's body.

If you cannot understand that, you need to take a step back bro.

When did Superman flinch from punching Doomsday? Prove it..

Originally posted by ODG
Fixed for accuracy.

Now go ahead and address what they said instead of what you want them to have said. Prove it then.

You care about the proposition you forced onto the discussion. It's become rather clear that you don't care what they're actually arguing though. There's a difference. And the language barrier can only account for so much when it's been pointed out several times.




Rao knew what I was asking him. Good job ODG.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You're not even making any sense. No one said that Hulk's hands cannot feel pain. I'm simply saying that there is almost no chance they'd feel pain punching Doomsday. If you disagree, I can list all the times Hulk's faced beings as strong/tough as Doomsday or more so and not felt any damage. Heck, Thor who's not quite as strong as Hulk has a history of trading blows with the f*cking Destroyer.

I can also list the times in which Superman has faced stronger opponents with out hurting his hands, yet when facing DD He was portrayed that tough.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Superman is NOT stronger or as strong as Hulk, especially while holding back during the Bryne era. And again, that Superman scan is an anomaly more then anything else as we see Maxima and Bloodwynd landing blows.

That is your opinion, while Maxima and Bloodwyn are landing blows the arc is not centered on them, so the writer is not going to take some panel time to explain that Maxima is hurting her hands while fighting Doomsday, because no one cares, but yet is show on Superman, because is to give an idea of how tough Doomsday was.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Also, where exactly do you think this argument is going to lead to? Punching Doomsday could be fracturing fingers on Hulk's hands but so what? Exactly what will this accomplish except Hulk getting angrier and stronger? Do you think Hulk is a stranger to some small amount to pain and will suddenly falter? Even in the scans you posted Superman kept pushing through and he's no Hulk.

You seem to forget that Doomsday strength is also dynamic and it increases as well.

And all this was to respond to the claim that Hulk can solo HP DD. Which is silly.

Yea this for the whole throng of people thinking Hulk's fingers are hurting from Hulk Smash

http://www.troll.me/images/full-retard/you-went-full-retard-never-go-full-retard.jpg

Alright, I'm just done with this thread. I just don't understand what exactly was supposed to be accomplished by proving that Hulk can feel pain in his hands if they're smashed by Mjolnir.

Even if Hulk was damaging his skin on Doomsday's body, it would only piss him off and cause him to get stronger and tougher. That's without factoring in his healing factor, too.

Tbh, I'm not even sure why it got brought up to begin with.

Originally posted by ODG
Alright, I'm just done with this thread. I just don't understand what exactly was supposed to be accomplished by proving that Hulk can feel pain in his hands if they're smashed by Mjolnir.

My fingers do hurt man..they really do..and im out..this is nonsense..

uPsbDUZvfFo

Originally posted by ODG
Fixed for accuracy.


Don't try to fix Carver's stance on the issue, the original post is in there, so no need for you to alter it.

Originally posted by ODG
Now go ahead and address what they said instead of what you want them to have said. Prove it then.

You care about the proposition you forced onto the discussion. It's become rather clear that you don't care what they're actually arguing though. There's a difference. And the language barrier can only account for so much when it's been pointed out several times.

The proposition that I forced? way to spin the argument.
The proposition was given by Carver that Hulk NEVER has hurt his hands punching anything followed by Rage's that doubts grey Hulk will hurt his hands fighting Doomsday.

So don't try to blame it on me. When I am responding to those propositions.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Even if Hulk was damaging his skin on Doomsday's body, it would only piss him off and cause him to get stronger and tougher. That's without factoring in his healing factor, too.

Tbh, I'm not even sure why it got brought up to begin with.

It was brought up because of Carver's claims

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Even if Hulk was damaging his skin on Doomsday's body, it would only piss him off and cause him to get stronger and tougher. That's without factoring in his healing factor, too.

Tbh, I'm not even sure why it got brought up to begin with. The Underpants Gnome defense. That's basically what happened here:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dd/Gnomes_plan.png

Phase 1: Mjolnir smash hurts Hulk's hand. Phase 2: ? Phase 3: Argument won.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
It was brought up because of Carver's claims

To be fair, this is actually carver's "claims" regarding the whole "hand hurt punching" debate in the order they were posted:

Originally posted by carver9
Lol at Hulk hurting his hands punching Doomsday. Also, Hulk can solo this.

Originally posted by carver9
The character fts has been insane as of late and people just dont want to acknowledge it...especially when we have people saying Hulk will hurt his hands punching Doomsday. When has something like that EVER happen with the Hulk. Hulk isn't S********** (I'm sure he is saying that bc his character hurt his fist punching Doomsday).

The two above were prior to the "claim" that you focused on (below) as the progenitor of what you believe is carver's position.

Also, you seem to have cropped out some important sentences that would more or less clarify what seems to be carver's true intention of the statement he made (underlined):

Originally posted by carver9
That's Superman hurting his hands. Nothing like that has EVER happened with the Hulk and he has fought some of the most powerful beings on the planet. Superman and Hulk isn't interchangeable. Point to a time Hulk has hurt his hands punching anything...especially in a fight. Just like Superman blitzing a character and him not registering Superman blows. Things like that doesn't happen with the Hulk...EVER.

The fact that he (carver): 1) made prior statements that coincides with what his intentions were which are then corroborated by future statements of clarification and 2) had a statements within the paragraph itself which you used as evidence of his "false claim" that seems to contradict your interpretation of it at least in intention seems to point to ODG being correct about his assertions.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Even if Hulk was damaging his skin on Doomsday's body, it would only piss him off and cause him to get stronger and tougher. That's without factoring in his healing factor, too.

Tbh, I'm not even sure why it got brought up to begin with.
Thing is obviously more durable than everybody Hulk has punched.

http://i.imgur.com/0sS9cHL.jpg

More than Doomsday too.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
To be fair, this is actually carver's "claims" regarding the whole "hand hurt punching" debate in the order they were posted:





The two above were prior to the "claim" that you focused on (below) as the progenitor of what you believe is carver's position.

Also, you seem to have cropped out some important sentences that would more or less clarify what seems to be carver's true intention of the statement he made (underlined):



The fact that he (carver): 1) made prior statements that coincides with what his intentions were which are then corroborated by future statements of clarification and 2) had a statements within the paragraph itself which you used as evidence of his "false claim" that seems to contradict your interpretation of it at least in intention seems to point to ODG being correct about his assertions.

Originally posted by carver9
That's Superman hurting his hands. Nothing like that has EVER happened with the Hulk and he has fought some of the most powerful beings on the planet. Superman and Hulk isn't interchangeable. Point to a time Hulk has hurt his hands punching anything...especially in a fight. Just like Superman blitzing a character and him not registering Superman blows. Things like that doesn't happen with the Hulk...EVER.

In other words, that Superman has hurt his hands fighting DD does not matter because nothing like that has EVER happened to the Hulk, EVER!

And that was my beef with him.

Originally posted by ODG
The Underpants Gnome defense. That's basically what happened here:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dd/Gnomes_plan.png

Phase 1: Mjolnir smash hurts Hulk's hand. Phase 2: ? Phase 3: Argument won.

Welcome to my friends list!

Btw a gnome is a little less then a troll..So Good Job in pointing that out..

"my fingers hurt"

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thing is obviously more durable than everybody Hulk has punched.

http://i.imgur.com/0sS9cHL.jpg

More than Doomsday too.

....so, you're comparing Lee/Kirby era Hulk hurting his hands on Thing to how he'd react to Doomsday as of now?

I could care less who wins between the two, but c'mon.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
....so, you're comparing Lee/Kirby era Hulk hurting his hands on Thing to how he'd react to Doomsday as of now?

I could care less who wins between the two, but c'mon.

Bro the thread has turned silly bcuzzz everyone is drunk on virgin eggnog

Yeah, Hulk never hurting his hand punching his fist on anything is pure BS. He hurt his hand on Thing's skin FFS.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, Hulk never hurting his hand punching his fist on anything is pure BS. He hurt his hand on Thing's skin FFS.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
....so, you're comparing Lee/Kirby era Hulk hurting his hands on Thing to how he'd react to Doomsday as of now?

I could care less who wins between the two, but c'mon.




I didn't realize EVER means exclude a specific era and one of the most classic stories of all time.

I don't care about this fight too but ODG white knighting carter is too funny.

So hulk hurt his hands and I guess that makes him lose, and whats SS gonna do? Sit around?

Unreal Underpants Saga Continues

Originally posted by Supra
So hulk hurt his hands and I guess that makes him lose, and whats SS gonna do? Sit around?

Unreal Underpants Saga Continues

No one is arguing Defenders loose because Hulk hurt his pinky, read since page 3 and you will see what was argued in here.

Originally posted by carver9
That's Superman hurting his hands (referencing the scan you posted a scan of Superman hurting his hand on DD).

Nothing like that has EVER happened with the Hulk (referencing the whole hurting his hand while punching someone concept as per scan above).

and he has fought some of the most powerful beings on the planet (further elaborating that the statement has to do with fighting someone and not something).

Superman and Hulk isn't interchangeable (further elaborating that his "claim" is firmly based on the Superman-DD scan provided).

Point to a time Hulk has hurt his hands punching anything... (The statement you zeroed in which is clarified intention-wise if you check both prior statements as well as future clarificatory statements he's made).

especially in a fight (again, further clarifying that this has to do with punching someone in a fight).

Just like Superman blitzing a character and him not registering Superman blows. Things like that doesn't happen with the Hulk...EVER.

I don't know why you insist to know better what he was trying to say and then focusing on a single, poorly worded median-point statement he made and then claiming it to be the primary source of his argument as well as accusing him of backtracking even when he's attempting to clarify multiple times what he said which can be corroborated by simply reading the entire paragraph he wrote as week as prior statements he's made.

It's not as if it proves anything relating to this debate one way or another.

But hey, whatever floats your boat. :shrug:

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
No one is arguing Defenders loose because Hulk hurt his pinky, read since page 3 and you will see what was argued in here.

I read the whole thing, whats silly is this argument...fingers dude..cmon man you guys are better then this..I know it.

Yall know everything and your arguing about his hands now..thread over and on to the next for real.

I think ODG's beef with you (please correct me if I'm wrong ODG) is this statement you made here (underlined):

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Before I continue answering to this silly idea of Rage and Carver that Hulk's hands do not feel pain or that is impossible for hulk to feel pain while punching.

I just want to double check if this is where you both stand on the issue.

I say Hulk will hurt his hands because Superman hurt his hands punching Doomsday, since I believe Superman is stronger and more durable than Hulk, I say that Hulk is more likely to hurt his hands fighting Doomsday.

You guys apparently are saying that Hulk will not hurt his hands while fighting Doomsday because apparently Carver says that Hulk somehow has never feel pain in his hands and thus it is impossible for hulk o feel pain, Rage is somewhere on the same stance.

So just to double check, Is this the stand you both are taking?

Because so far Carver has been backtracking as usual

Which would indeed be straw-manning his argument as he never made those exact claims.

And thus, no backtracking (as you claimed) happened here.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
....so, you're comparing Lee/Kirby era Hulk hurting his hands on Thing to how he'd react to Doomsday as of now?

I could care less who wins between the two, but c'mon. .

Very well said my friend. A voice of sanity in the mix of dog barks.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thing is obviously more durable than everybody Hulk has punched.

http://i.imgur.com/0sS9cHL.jpg

More than Doomsday too.

I concede. If it took scans of this age to prove that I made a false claim, then, I concede.

Also Nibicus and ODG, along with Jake and Rage knew exactly what I was asking for. Dont know why someone would use a single word in my post that I obviously typed bc I was in a heated debate as reference to my entire claim.

Also, Supra, I agree with you bro (talking about your PM).

Now that its take 7 pages to talk about the hulk's fingers, let's spend another 7 talking about Surfer hurting his hands....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Now that its take 7 pages to talk about the hulk's fingers, let's spend another 7 talking about Surfer hurting his hands....

Originally posted by carver9
I concede. If it took scans of this age to prove that I made a false claim, then, I concede.

Also Nibicus and ODG, along with Jake and Rage knew exactly what I was asking for. Dont know why someone would use a single word in my post that I obviously typed bc I was in a heated debate as reference to my entire claim.

Also, Supra, I agree with you bro (talking about your PM). haha you're such a ass kissing douchebag

Originally posted by Insane Titan
haha you're such a ass kissing douchebag



Dont know how you got a** kissing from that but you need to find someone else to troll.

Originally posted by carver9


Dont know how you got a** kissing from that but you need to find someone else to troll. do you have any pride at all? Or will you just suck any posters dick so they like you

Well, goodwill to all men and all that.

Its Christmas, time to empty my sack.

Come have some Christmas cheer Insane.

Originally posted by jaxthejester
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Very well said my friend. A voice of sanity in the mix of dog barks.
LOLWUT?
Originally posted by carver9
I concede. If it took scans of this age to prove that I made a false claim, then, I concede.

Also Nibicus and ODG, along with Jake and Rage knew exactly what I was asking for. Dont know why someone would use a single word in my post that I obviously typed bc I was in a heated debate as reference to my entire claim.

Also, Supra, I agree with you bro (talking about your PM).
You said ever carter. If I start going through my comics I can find more but frankly who gives a damn?

@Carver

Well so now you concede that Hulk has hurt his hands punching right?

@ODG

I just remember that I announced like several pages before that what scan I was going to use, just to steal your thunder becasue you didn't announce anything.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El


Where is tha scan of hulk hitting mjolnir?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, goodwill to all men and all that.

Its Christmas, time to empty my sack.

Come have some Christmas cheer Insane. since when was Carver any type of man?

Originally posted by abhilegend
LOLWUT?

You said ever carter. If I start going through my comics I can find more but frankly who gives a damn?

But the rest of my post should have made my entire argument clear to you but whatever...you found a scan (even though its older than my grandma). So I'm done with this.