Captain America vs Wonder Woman with a twist

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golem370
In this fight Wonder Woman physical stats with Captain America this is a hand to hand fight.

JakeTheBank
Same stats?

Steve.

golem370
Yeah equal stats

carver9
Cap stomps.

SquallX
Even with same stats Diana still wins.

It's ridiculous how much this place low balls her so much. We've seen the character WW is when portrayed the right way.

Silent Master
It's not lowballing her, if she truly had Batman/Cap level skills, she'd destroy Superman and the like 10/10.

SquallX
Originally posted by Silent Master
It's not lowballing her, if she truly had Batman/Cap level skills, she'd destroy Superman and the like 10/10.

Are you kidding me? Of course it's lawballed.

Diana's first and foremost a warrior that lives and breath combat.Her whole life on Themyscira is warfare.

In post crisis she spent a 1000 yrs fighting in a war. She knows most if not all of human combat, add that to her Amazons style.

She's so skilled that she took on the JL while blinded. all she did was to feel the wind placement when they were moving around her.

Most of the fights Steve's won were pis/cis helping.

Silent Master
The fighting members of the JL while blindfolded was a sparring match, she has no actual combat feats to back up Batman/Cap level skill.

SquallX
Originally posted by Silent Master
The fighting members of the JL while blindfolded was a sparring match, she has no actual combat feats to back up Batman/Cap level skill.

That just proves you know nothing about the character.

In that comic, Diana was actually without sight, she went around wearing a blindfold. She lost her fight in a battle against a Dragon.

Diana's skill surpasses both Bat's and Cap's by leaps and bounds. The only reason she's not made to look better, is because this society even in comics still, still believe in the guy been better than a woman.


Diana would skill both Bruce and Cap if a writer actually knows how to write her properly.

iscaremonkeys
Originally posted by SquallX
Even with same stats Diana still wins.

It's ridiculous how much this place low balls her so much. We've seen the character WW is when portrayed the right way. cause she sucks..................lol jk. im going with Diana

Q99
On the age thing, it's pretty clear in comics that you can reach top-tier without extreme age, and more age/experience doesn't seem to help much. Just view Ra's and Vandal, who're good fighters, but not *that* good.


I think it's a good fight, but all those thousand years in Asgard and such? Don't really change the equation much. So I'd say either can win.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The fighting members of the JL while blindfolded was a sparring match, she has no actual combat feats to back up Batman/Cap level skill.

Except for her matches with Batman. And Shiva (who, notably, both gave her tips, and she revealed later she left the holes on purpose so that her advisors would be able to give advice as part as a rehabilitation thing). And Canary, who on different occasions mentioning her skill. And Batman mentioning her skill as very high. And, well, you get the idea.


Quite a few high-level martial artists respect her skill. Also, when she spars, everyone acts like she's human level (she doesn't use powers, they use moves that don't work against someone of her powers), and still feel she's a significant challenge.


There is the matter that when she wants to, she can face a highly experienced hero like Power Girl with plenty of melee experience, and just shut her down entirely in HtH.

abhilegend
laughing out loud @ these arguments. Wonder Woman is a skilled fighter but I wouldn't give her a win against Robin under same stats. Batman has embarrassed her in h2h despite vast stats difference, a random fighter almost killed her with a sword which was able to cancel her powers and she was literally crying because she is so dependent on her powers and shit like that. A random fight off panel with Shiva when she still had her powers and Canary doesn't means anything.


crylaugh @ she was human when she faced Canary and Shiva. Almost as reaching as h1a8's claims. Almost.Originally posted by SquallX
That just proves you know nothing about the character.

In that comic, Diana was actually without sight, she went around wearing a blindfold. She lost her fight in a battle against a Dragon.

Diana's skill surpasses both Bat's and Cap's by leaps and bounds. The only reason she's not made to look better, is because this society even in comics still, still believe in the guy been better than a woman.


Diana would skill both Bruce and Cap if a writer actually knows how to write her properly.
facepalm

Batman has held his own against her three times despite the huge stats difference.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by golem370
Yeah equal stats

Amped Diana still loses and goes back to the kitchen.

SquallX
Originally posted by abhilegend
laughing out loud @ these arguments. Wonder Woman is a skilled fighter but I wouldn't give her a win against Robin under same stats. Batman has embarrassed her in h2h despite vast stats difference, a random fighter almost killed her with a sword which was able to cancel her powers and she was literally crying because she is so dependent on her powers and shit like that. A random fight off panel with Shiva when she still had her powers and Canary doesn't means anything.


crylaugh @ she was human when she faced Canary and Shiva. Almost as reaching as h1a8's claims. Almost.
facepalm

Batman has held his own against her three times despite the huge stats difference.

Batman has kicked the Spectre, tricked Darkseid into letting Supergirl go home, single handedly beat all the JL main members, outsmarted Superman multiple times.

So what's you're point? All these people are beyond Batman, yet he always comes out on top.

But don't tell me, you're gonna claim pis on the Superman part right? Yet not on the Diana part.

iscaremonkeys
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Amped Diana still loses and goes back to the kitchen. Cap needs dat sandwhich

h1a8
Being the greatest amazonian warrior (arts superior to most if not all other earthly forms of combat) helps.
I'm going to say stalemate or slight edge to Cap.

abhilegend
Originally posted by SquallX
Batman has kicked the Spectre, tricked Darkseid into letting Supergirl go home, single handedly beat all the JL main members, outsmarted Superman multiple times.

So what's you're point? All these people are beyond Batman, yet he always comes out on top.

But don't tell me, you're gonna claim pis on the Superman part right? Yet not on the Diana part.
None of that has anything to do with stalemating her in h2h. Batman is vastly more skilled than wonder woman. If only long living and fighting constantly is required for being exceptionally well in MA, Thor would be the greatest MA in the world. He's a lumbering idiot who keeps punching people with no skill untill they go down or in case of hulk beat him black and blue.

Firefly218
Cap is more skilled in h2h combat. Amped Diana would win easily, depowered Diana loses in a close fight

JakeTheBank
Thor has skill in the art of war. So does Diana for that matter.

Neither of them are martial arts masters who fight like ninjas or anything, though.

deathslash
Cap beats the ever loving Crap out of her. She's good but she's not near Captain America levels of h2h skill.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Captain America 10/10. Wonder Woman can't win this. And no, listing competitive sparring matches she had with streets while possessing her powers does not in anyway prove that she can. erm

ODG
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor has skill in the art of war. So does Diana for that matter.

Neither of them are martial arts masters who fight like ninjas or anything, though. Ninjas are probably the worst fighters ever. My proof is every comic that has featured them.

pym-ftw
Ninjas > Trench coat gangsters > thugs > Hydra Agents.

Q99
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Captain America 10/10. Wonder Woman can't win this. And no, listing competitive sparring matches she had with streets while possessing her powers does not in anyway prove that she can. erm

Yea, the sparring matches where Black Canary's mental dialog specifically mentions WW isn't using her powers...


C'mon, if you can fight evenly with top streets when only using their speed and strength, the being-in-possession of speed and strength you don't use does not invalidate it. Especially not when those same streets *regularly* talk up how skilled you are.




Well, aside from her Themysciran training, Diana has spent some time as a non-powered martial artist, and more recently as a non-powered secret agent.

ODG
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Ninjas > Trench coat gangsters > thugs > Hydra Agents. If those thugs are wearing tracksuits and say, "bro," then they trump all:

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abhilegend
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor has skill in the art of war. So does Diana for that matter.

Neither of them are martial arts masters who fight like ninjas or anything, though.
You mean art of punching?

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by abhilegend
You mean art of punching?

Fighting legions of demons/orges/trolls/giants while leading vastly less powerful and often greatly outnumbered forces to victory counts for something. There's also such instances such as fighting said hordes by one's self while in a far less powerful state than normally depicted and emerging unscathed as well.

To that end, I don't see how anyone can claim that either Thor or Diana are unskilled.

abhilegend
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Fighting legions of demons/orges/trolls/giants while leading vastly less powerful and often greatly outnumbered forces to victory counts for something. There's also such instances such as fighting said hordes by one's self while in a far less powerful state than normally depicted and emerging unscathed as well.

To that end, I don't see how anyone can claim that either Thor or Diana are unskilled.
In which all they do is "PUNCH, PUNCH, PUNCH". Nobody is saying they are unskilled, brawling is a skill in itself but swinging arms around doesn't takes much skill when you are just plowing through beings who are vastly inferior to you.

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by abhilegend
In which all they do is "PUNCH, PUNCH, PUNCH". Nobody is saying they are unskilled, brawling is a skill in itself but swinging arms around doesn't takes much skill when you are just plowing through beings who are vastly inferior to you.

Except all the times they don't only just "PUNCH, PUNCH, PUNCH" (which is plenty). And you just claimed Thor has no skill at all not that many posts ago. There's also the facts that the Frost Giants have consistently been described and portrayed as being legitimate threats to the Asgardians, even Thor (especially before he received Mjolnir).

So, yeah, I'm not seeing how Thor and Diana never display clear skill in the art of prolonged combat and warfare when it's been shown to be the case a whole bunch of times. It's like...their respective schticks in comics.

abhilegend
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Except all the times they don't only just "PUNCH, PUNCH, PUNCH" (which is plenty). And you just claimed Thor has no skill at all not that many posts ago. There's also the facts that the Frost Giants have consistently been described and portrayed as being legitimate threats to the Asgardians, even Thor (especially before he received Mjolnir).

So, yeah, I'm not seeing how Thor and Diana never display clear skill in the art of prolonged combat and warfare when it's been shown to be the case a whole bunch of times. It's like...their respective schticks in comics.
Thor doesn't shows much skills in most of his fights. He just hits things with mjolnir untill they go down. His 15 or so slugfests with Hulk should've tipped you off where he looks as much of a brute as Hulk himself. I said he looks like a lumbering idiot who punches people with no skill which is true for most of his portrayals.


I could see the logic with Wonder Woman but Thor? He is god of thunder, not a god of war.

SquallX
Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor doesn't shows much skills in most of his fights. He just hits things with mjolnir untill they go down. His 15 or so slugfests with Hulk should've tipped you off where he looks as much of a brute as Hulk himself. I said he looks like a lumbering idiot who punches people with no skill which is true for most of his portrayals.


I could see the logic with Wonder Woman but Thor? He is god of thunder, not a god of war.

So i guess superman's also not skilled in combat either? after all, all we see is him throwing left and right haymakers.

We know that's not true though. Superman is a skilled fighter when it comes to pressure points. He's even trained with both Diana and Bruce in self defense.

abhilegend
Originally posted by SquallX
So i guess superman's also not skilled in combat either? after all, all we see is him throwing left and right haymakers.

We know that's not true though. Superman is a skilled fighter when it comes to pressure points. He's even trained with both Diana and Bruce in self defense.
Superman has actually taken on people highly skilled in all out slugfests and beaten them. He has taken on people even more powerful than him via sheer skills and experience in his powers. Who has wonder woman beaten by his "oh so wonderful skillz"?

http://i.imgur.com/fsKFW3I.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/MN6FSZV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/r4WiBYW.jpg

Zod was a highly trained russian supersoldier who was taught by KGBeast in h2h for his whole life. Superman took on him when they were equally powered and nearly snapped his neck. There are a lot of examples like that. Not in case of wonder woman though.

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor doesn't shows much skills in most of his fights. He just hits things with mjolnir untill they go down. His 15 or so slugfests with Hulk should've tipped you off where he looks as much of a brute as Hulk himself. I said he looks like a lumbering idiot who punches people with no skill which is true for most of his portrayals.


I could see the logic with Wonder Woman but Thor? He is god of thunder, not a god of war.

He's actually used his superior skill over Hulk to his advantage in several of their fights, especially when deprived of Mjolnir. And there's plenty of fights where if sheer force from Mjolnir or his bare hands can't beat someone, he resorts to something else. I'm not saying he's the most skilled fighter ever, but on the battlefield, he's a great warrior and has been shown and stated to be so for decades.

And yes, Thor is a god of war. Not officially like Tyr, who is THE god of war, but Thor's always been considered the greatest warrior of Asgard (and mythology as a whole based a lot of statements and narration made on his behalf), Tyr included. In fact, it's part of the reason why Tyr's always been butthurt about Thor. There's so many stories and tales of Thor rallying Asgard to fend off hordes of enemies even he has trouble with barring him going completely all out.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
And yes, Thor is a god of war. Not officially like Tyr, who is THE god of war, but Thor's always been considered the greatest warrior of Asgard (and mythology as a whole based a lot of statements and narration made on his behalf), Tyr included. In fact, it's part of the reason why Tyr's always been butthurt about Thor. There's so many stories and tales of Thor rallying Asgard to fend off hordes of enemies even he has trouble with barring him going completely all out.

Speaking of the God of War:
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Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Except all the times they don't only just "PUNCH, PUNCH, PUNCH" (which is plenty). And you just claimed Thor has no skill at all not that many posts ago. There's also the facts that the Frost Giants have consistently been described and portrayed as being legitimate threats to the Asgardians, even Thor (especially before he received Mjolnir).

So, yeah, I'm not seeing how Thor and Diana never display clear skill in the art of prolonged combat and warfare when it's been shown to be the case a whole bunch of times. It's like...their respective schticks in comics.

What the f*ck are you talking about fanboy?

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Look at all those punches he threw.

Thor being an extremely skilled fighter has most definitely been forgotten.

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Why do you even bother Jake?

Truth is, it's extremely difficult to showcase both skill and power/strength. Thor's not like Wonder Woman, he's an elite high herald who already has his power/strength and versatility nerfed often enough whether through holding back or whatever to co-exist with Earth heroes. Him being a master combatant and an expert at the art of war stacks the deck even further. It's no coincidence that when made mortal or in flashbacks where he's a teenager without Mjolnir, he's suddenly a Viking era Captain America.

One thing's for certain, he's never going to be portrayed as a complete and total amateur at fighting like a certain Man of Steel.

Based
I'm convinced half the people in this forum don't even read comics. The Op was an interesting scenario and all the people screaming stomp only read comics of characters they wank off too.

SquallX
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman has actually taken on people highly skilled in all out slugfests and beaten them. He has taken on people even more powerful than him via sheer skills and experience in his powers. Who has wonder woman beaten by his "oh so wonderful skillz"?

http://i.imgur.com/fsKFW3I.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/MN6FSZV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/r4WiBYW.jpg

Zod was a highly trained russian supersoldier who was taught by KGBeast in h2h for his whole life. Superman took on him when they were equally powered and nearly snapped his neck. There are a lot of examples like that. Not in case of wonder woman though.

So i guess Ares, the God Of War himself don't count huh? Skills wise, Ares would school most of Superman Rogue Gallery. The only one i see in the Superman gallery to be his equal would be Darkseid.

Then again, when was the last Darkseid used skill to punk his enemies? But we know Darkseid is skill.

The Olympian is another one that comes to mind.

Hercules is another one. Since Hercules kinda follows the Myth to a certain degree, we knows he's wrestle Zeus to a stand still, beat Ares in combat multiple times.

stalemated both Poseidon and Ares at once.

Diana is one of the most skilled warrior in DC, period.

janus77
WW wins. She kicks him in the nuts.

janus77
Originally posted by ODG
Ninjas are probably the worst fighters ever. My proof is every comic that has featured them.
Shredder would disagree.

Shabazz916
ww breaks cap neck

abhilegend
Originally posted by SquallX
So i guess Ares, the God Of War himself don't count huh? Skills wise, Ares would school most of Superman Rogue Gallery. The only one i see in the Superman gallery to be his equal would be Darkseid.

Then again, when was the last Darkseid used skill to punk his enemies? But we know Darkseid is skill.

The Olympian is another one that comes to mind.

Hercules is another one. Since Hercules kinda follows the Myth to a certain degree, we knows he's wrestle Zeus to a stand still, beat Ares in combat multiple times.

stalemated both Poseidon and Ares at once.

Diana is one of the most skilled warrior in DC, period.
She stalemated Ares and Poseidon at once? Are you sure about that?Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He's actually used his superior skill over Hulk to his advantage in several of their fights, especially when deprived of Mjolnir. And there's plenty of fights where if sheer force from Mjolnir or his bare hands can't beat someone, he resorts to something else. I'm not saying he's the most skilled fighter ever, but on the battlefield, he's a great warrior and has been shown and stated to be so for decades.

And yes, Thor is a god of war. Not officially like Tyr, who is THE god of war, but Thor's always been considered the greatest warrior of Asgard (and mythology as a whole based a lot of statements and narration made on his behalf), Tyr included. In fact, it's part of the reason why Tyr's always been butthurt about Thor. There's so many stories and tales of Thor rallying Asgard to fend off hordes of enemies even he has trouble with barring him going completely all out.
Like when? Defenders 10? Mighty Thor 385? IH 440? Fear Itself? How about half a dozen different fights with Hulk? Yeah, a great warrior who just brawls like everyone else.


I'm sure there are many stories about Thor fighting skilled opponents. That's why when Rage is throwing a hissy fit, he's posting Thor fighting random demons and what not. I wanted to see a single comparison from Thor with a modern day skilled fighter. Guess not.

BruceSkywalker
Cap wins..

afterward he sleeps with her to make Kal jealous lolol

Prof. T.C McAbe
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