Anakin Skywalker is an unintentionally unlikable protagonist?

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Lawrence375
Is it just me or do you people noticed what the fans have said about Anakin Skywalker? I think Anakin is meant to be a protagonist whom you can root for, but unfortunately, it didn't work out since he's disliked by the fandom.

What do you think, people? Have your say on how do you find Anakin an unlikable character, why and what you dislike about him.

queeq

Lawrence375
Well, I do hear a lot more about people hating on Anakin more than liking him, since the prequels aren't exactly how they hoped it was.

And I do agree with what you said about Anakin. Considering his characterization, it's a wonder why it's hard to root for him.

queeq
A wonder or no wonder?

Yes, It's kinda weird Lucas couldn't come up with a more interesting characterization for Anakin. You'd say that would be the MAIN consideration in making these prequels.

Lawrence375
Sorry if we are going off topic here. I'm just a little confused between "wonder or no wonder". I'm actually not surprised about why people would hate Anakin.

queeq
Me neither.

steverules_2
Think the clone troopers shoulda killed the room full of younglings, as we all know right at the of ROTJ he's a jedi spirit and all is forgiven...the guy killed kids for f*cks sake!

queeq

KyleAP
I didn't like anakin because he was a dick.
We were suppose to care about this guy, or at least relate to him, before he tragically got seduced by the dark side of the force.
Instead he just came across as a selfish Whiney piss-weesel from the start.
In phantom menace he came across as an annoying wee kid who was just there to appeal to kiddy fans.
In attack of the clones it was clear George was trying to throw alot of things into his character but didn't know how to write him in a way that made him seem like a good guy. Instead he was just a massive Whiney dick. And his friendship with obi-won n love for padme was just so badly written and had us scratching our heads in disbelief. We were just told we should believe that obi and anakin were friends without it projecting on screen and that he and padme were in love even with the corny, vomit-inducing dialogue and the fact that it hasn't been written or acted in a believeable fashion.
In revenge of the sith his turn to the dark side was all too willing and not plausibly written or acted. And by the end of the film we don't get a tragic character who's gone through a real tough time and resulted by believing in the power of the dark side, but someone who proved that all along (based on what we've seen in episodes 2 and 3) that he was really just a dumb murderous physcopath who never really cared about anyone but himself and ought locked up. He even tried to kill the woman who was his whole motivation for turning in the first place.

queeq
Yes, great hero, eh? hehehe

KyleAP
Originally posted by queeq
Yes, great hero, eh? hehehe

Yep haha
The only really kinda heroic thing he did in the prequels was accidentally blow up the droid control ship at the end of phantom menace that helped shut down the droid army n save the naboo.

Other good things he did? Umm ummm
tried to rescue his mother, (which of course he then blew out the window in the fashion he killed all the sand people and then went on a physcotic rant about it)
And I suppose helping up unconcious obi-won when palpatine told him to leave him to die kinda...(even though any coherent person would think suspiciously of palpatine's behaviour in that situation)
Apart from that... ummm ummm....

queeq

Lawrence375
Hmm... I do hear a lot of words expressed by people who dislike Anakin: Whiny, jerk, spoiled brat, childish and all of that.

queeq
Yes? And? You agree?

Lawrence375
Yes, again, I do agree with you. If only there is some proper characterization and plots in the prequels, then all the dislike could have been avoided.

GenomeFrozener
I actually like Anakin because of his arrogance.

queeq

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by steverules_2
Think the clone troopers shoulda killed the room full of younglings, as we all know right at the of ROTJ he's a jedi spirit and all is forgiven...the guy killed kids for f*cks sake!

Yea people love him for all he has done.

Lord Lucien
It's almost like the prequels are stupid or something.

Shakyamunison
I don't blame Anakin. If you were written and acted so badly, wouldn't that make you whinny?

Ace Hambone
My take on Anakin is that he was meant to be a precocious, generous, insightful, audacious, imaginative and great-hearted boy whose great capacity for love - combined with his insecurities - caused his eventual fall. Later, this same capacity to love also redeemed him.

In TPM, Anakin is a beyond-his-years child engineer and superhuman pilot. (He's the only human who can pod race.). He helps Qui-Gonn devise a plan to repair the Naboo space craft by piloting a pod he has built himself. He sees it is the only plan available, has the confidence he can succeed, and thinks nothing of the personal danger. Qui-Gonn remarks that he "gives without any thought of reward." He understands Qui-Gonn and the rest are not there by accident, and he goes on to win the Battle on Naboo with his piloting skills.

Episode 2 should have shown us the flowering of these traits: a generous, fearless, insightful and imaginative leader, moved by love and generosity and guided by the force. He should have blossomed into a beloved and gifted leader, albeit sometimes at odds with (and a bit of a threat to the authority of) the emotionless Jedi Council. His eventual fall would be precipitous, shocking and sad.

A young leader like that would inspire love and devotion from those he met, and Padme's falling in love with him would be more believable. We could also see why Anakin would become so fatally attracted to her. Having met Padme just before being separated by his mother, Anakin transferred his maternal attachment to her. While not letting himself hope to reunite with his mother, his hope was redirected towards Padme.

Unfortunately, episodes 2 and 3 were so preoccupied with Anakin's fall that they never effectively showed his rise, nor gave much reason to even like him or mourn his fall. I think the Clone Wars cartoons at least make him likeable, but even they don't make us believe that he is quite the special person we are told he is.

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Ace Hambone
My take on Anakin is that he was meant to be a precocious, generous, insightful, audacious, imaginative and great-hearted boy whose great capacity for love - combined with his insecurities - caused his eventual fall. Later, this same capacity to love also redeemed him.

In TPM, Anakin is a beyond-his-years child engineer and superhuman pilot. (He's the only human who can pod race.). He helps Qui-Gonn devise a plan to repair the Naboo space craft by piloting a pod he has built himself. He sees it is the only plan available, has the confidence he can succeed, and thinks nothing of the personal danger. Qui-Gonn remarks that he "gives without any thought of reward." He understands Qui-Gonn and the rest are not there by accident, and he goes on to win the Battle on Naboo with his piloting skills.

Episode 2 should have shown us the flowering of these traits: a generous, fearless, insightful and imaginative leader, moved by love and generosity and guided by the force. He should have blossomed into a beloved and gifted leader, albeit sometimes at odds with (and a bit of a threat to the authority of) the emotionless Jedi Council. His eventual fall would be precipitous, shocking and sad.

A young leader like that would inspire love and devotion from those he met, and Padme's falling in love with him would be more believable. We could also see why Anakin would become so fatally attracted to her. Having met Padme just before being separated by his mother, Anakin transferred his maternal attachment to her. While not letting himself hope to reunite with his mother, his hope was redirected towards Padme.

Unfortunately, episodes 2 and 3 were so preoccupied with Anakin's fall that they never effectively showed his rise, nor gave much reason to even like him or mourn his fall. I think the Clone Wars cartoons at least make him likeable, but even they don't make us believe that he is quite the special person we are told he is.

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queeq
Agreed.

focus4chumps
Originally posted by Ace Hambone
Unfortunately, episodes 2 and 3 were so preoccupied with Anakin's fall that they never effectively showed his rise

this.

queeq
And that.

Sith Master X
I think the way Lucas saw it was that Anakin fell before he ever met his full potential. Anakin's rise was his redemption...saving his son's life.

I agree that a better formula would have been to show Anakin as a very likable and gifted leader. This is what Episode 2 definitely missed out on for sure.

queeq
Yup. Lucas clearly wanted Luke's life to mirror Anakin's, with one difference: Anakin made a wrong turn where Luke did not, thus redeeming his father.

However, Luke was also a hero we could root for. Anakin never was. Somewhere the mirror cracked and Lucas didn't notice.

PTforthewin
Anakin : a whiny ***** since day 1 Luke: a whiny ***** once but turns more mature and wise.

queeq
There you have it. Plus Luke was whiny but not an arrogant brat. Anakin was. Evil hit Anakin at the same time as puberty.

FreshestSlice
Originally posted by queeq
There you have it. Plus Luke was whiny but not an arrogant brat. Anakin was. Evil hit Anakin at the same time as puberty.
Nah, Luke met his waifu well into his development. Anakin couldn't control his boy hormones and then grew an obsession.

PTforthewin
Originally posted by queeq
There you have it. Plus Luke was whiny but not an arrogant brat. Anakin was. Evil hit Anakin at the same time as puberty. Yeah he cried like 3 times during the movies, the point is anakin had no character development he kind of did develop in the CW but in ROTS he was just the same as AOTC, a whiny, arrogant, crybabish brat.

Lord Lucien
That's a really strange thing for you to say, given your username.

PTforthewin
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
That's a really strange thing for you to say, given your username. yes I like the prequal era. I'm just stating anakins and Luke's character development

queeq
Luke - a lot
Anakin - none.

Says it all about the PT.

PTforthewin
Originally posted by queeq
Luke - a lot
Anakin - none.

Says it all about the PT. your a pest

queeq
THank you. wink

Lord Lucien
Now now, let's not be hasty Master Hobbit. Anakin did have some character development. He went from a creepy, insubordinate, leering douchebag... all the way to a psychotic, genocidal, megalomaniac. In just two films!

PTforthewin
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Now now, let's not be hasty Master Hobbit. Anakin did have some character development. He went from a creepy, insubordinate, leering douchebag... all the way to a psychotic, genocidal, megalomaniac. In just two films! anakin wasn't like that in the CW but he obviously had problems, he beat up Greedo as a child just because Greedo thought he was cheating, he later grew up to be a pervert, a geonocidal whiny douchebag and then a crybabish emo psychopath who slaughtered thousands just to save Padme but failed because he choked her

queeq
What a hero.

Lawrence375
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Now now, let's not be hasty Master Hobbit. Anakin did have some character development. He went from a creepy, insubordinate, leering douchebag... all the way to a psychotic, genocidal, megalomaniac. In just two films!
Negative character development, you mean?

Lord Lucien
Swing and a miss.

queeq
Ouch...

Kalen Sykes
I always got the impression Lucas inadvertently made Obi-Wan the protagonist of the PT, instead of Anakin. At least among my circle of friends, we looked at the new trilogy as Obi-Wan's story (his rise to Jedi Knight, tutelage of Anakin, and his promotion to Jedi Master/ Council member) that just happened to shed some light on Anakin, as well.

PTforthewin
Lucas... That sneaky little bastard

queeq

Kalen Sykes
I meant to write hero instead of protagonist, but either way, I saw the prequels as more of Obi-Wan's story. Not that I was complaining much. He's my favorite character. cool

queeq

atv2
It sure was a rough life for Anakin. His marriage went to the Abyss. Had to leave Padme and the kids behind. Jedi council's been probing him from childhood. The prophecy was overrated for him. What was he killin himself for going to battle and war on a basis and liftin them cans everyday. He had to quit the council and get him a job. It was a mess for him, he needed some kind of job; As a cook, Dishwasher, small time mercenary. He had to get a hustle and a few broads on the side. The war garnished him crazy. He once had 20,000 and now he's lucky to live on 9. Oh and Father's Day, was big miss for him. Didn't get to see his kids and didn't even know who they were when he saw them. Then when the Force brought it to his attention, he tried to hustle them to the Emperor's Cage only to die for them in the end.

atv2
Then he became Mr. Invisible, his claim to fame. A man without his kids and woman, he no longer had to feel the pain. Indispensible, he was more than a plain old human being, shaping today for everything for a world that was so mean. A world that didn't seem right for him so now he can remain invisible that way he no longer had to explain a thing. He didn't even have to be on the scene. It was so ridiculous, fighting through the strife, the bliss, and the hard driven snow, will now go through him to miss all the things that hurt them so. Yet they will know, Life was so precious and it didn't come for free as they claim freedom to be. To live young as a slave and be bought from man to man never free from the other, he got so deep in the plantation that he turned on his brother. All the things he went through shouldn't have been meant be, He came to himself giving his life and now he can be free. (WOW!!!!)

atv2
Originally posted by atv2
Then he became Mr. Invisible, his claim to fame. A man without his kids and woman, he no longer had to feel the pain. Indispensible, he was more than a plain old human being, shaping today for everything for a world that was so mean. A world that didn't seem right for him so now he can remain invisible that way he no longer had to explain a thing. He didn't even have to be on the scene. It was so ridiculous, fighting through the strife, the bliss, and the hard driven snow, will now go through him to miss all the things that hurt them so. Yet they will know, Life was so precious and it didn't come for free as they claim freedom to be. To live young as a slave and be bought from man to man never free from the other, he got so deep in the plantation that he turned on his brother. All the things he went through shouldn't have been meant be, He came to himself giving his life and now he can be free. (WOW!!!!)

You know with this song I just did, I realize that Anakin will be a great influence post death. I'm sure as a force ghost he come giving advise from time to time as Obiwan did for Luke. Even if he's not around his fulfillment of the prophecy will live on through what left of him, his children, grandchildren and generations to come(like Cade)

In the prequel trilogy, it focused on his rise as a Jedi and his fall to the Sith. In the original trilogy, it focused on his time as a Sith and his redemption to the Jedi. In the sequel trilogy, it will show his influence as both a Jedi and Sith to live on through his children and grandchildren. He was meant to be a protagonist and Hero.

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