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Charles has 15 seconds to mind rape someone to the point that their unconscious. Who will Falk and who will still be standing?

Contestants...

Nova Prime
Surfer
Superman
Hulk (angry)
Thor
Wonder Woman
Magneto (without helmet)
Captain Marvel
Wolverine

Everyone here is resisting.

waits for 'sleep' scan.....

Clears.

Xavier could have preformed mind-phuckery on everyone who partook in Secret Wars... Among them was Galactus:
http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/17376504_3954322.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/17376505_2420899.jpg

Canon!

Originally posted by Galan007
Clears.

Xavier could have preformed mind-phuckery on everyone who partook in Secret Wars... Among them was Galactus:
http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/17376504_3954322.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/17376505_2420899.jpg

Canon!

Wow...going by that scan, he could have done the same things to the Beyonder as well.

It's just a forum joke, carver. It's obvious he meant everyone but Big G, as he and Magneto tried their best to communicate with him in the same story and got treated like a pair of annoying bugs.

^ Clearly that was retconned, dooder.

Per Illuminati, Chuck's TP>Galactus. Deal with it.

Didn't Xavier also easily put to sleep a line-up that included Thor, Avengers with telepathic shielding and a Phoenix Five member or two? Also under Bendis coincidentally. Telepathy is similar to speed. It can be uber or it can be worth shit.

Pfft, space cheese IMO.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Clearly that was retconned, dooder.

Per Illuminati, Chuck's TP>Galactus. Deal with it.

Was it retconned or are you joking?

Use your best judgement.

Originally posted by Galan007
Use your best judgement.

I give up.

can't say i didn't warn you....

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Didn't Xavier also easily put to sleep a line-up that included Thor, Avengers with telepathic shielding and a Phoenix Five member or two? Also under Bendis coincidentally. Telepathy is similar to speed. It can be uber or it can be worth shit.

"Loved" how Spider Woman was the only one who resisted it...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
"Loved" how Spider Woman was the only one who resisted it...
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Didn't Xavier also easily put to sleep a line-up that included Thor, Avengers with telepathic shielding and a Phoenix Five member or two? Also under Bendis coincidentally. Telepathy is similar to speed. It can be uber or it can be worth shit.

We're lucky Hawkeye didn't accomplish a similar showing. And if Cage were there, he would have.

Superman takes Xavier's Galactus busting TP and shoves it back in his head with TP resistance better than Spectre.

http://i.imgur.com/HdFNmiG.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/XjRzpVy.jpg

sneer

Nova Prime - Down
Surfer - Standing
Superman - Standing
Hulk (angry) - Standing
Thor -Standing
Wonder Woman - Down
Magneto (without helmet) - Down
Captain Marvel - Standing
Wolverine - Down

Originally posted by Odekahn
Nova Prime - Down
Surfer - Standing
Superman - Standing
Hulk (angry) - Standing
Thor -Standing
Wonder Woman - Down
Magneto (without helmet) - Down
Captain Marvel - Standing
Wolverine - Down
Except Charles has mindraped Thor casually just recently and put him to sleep. Captain Marvel has absolutely no showings where he resists a telepath as powerful as Charles. In fact Brainwave has casually mindraped him.

Assuming Charles is going all out...

Nova Prime - resists
Surfer - resists
Superman - veggie
Hulk (angry) - resists
Thor - veggie
Wonder Woman - veggie
Magneto (without helmet) - veggie
Captain Marvel - veggie
Wolverine - veggie

IMHO- 15 seconds of uninterrupted telepathic assault from Chuck would be akin to 15 seconds of uninterrupted punches to the face from Superman while leaving your hands at your sides.

Not a lot of folks can stand up to that...

Nova Prime- Psi-Dampeners keep him up for a bit. But Chuck breaks through them after a few panels.
Surfer- Honestly not so sure. Has Surfer ever been brain blasted by an Omega Class telepath? If so, his reaction to the blast would be a prime indicator for me to judge how he holds up to a barrage of the same.
Superman- Lasts about as long anyone on this list. But still goes down.
Hulk (angry)- WWHulk was mostly immune to Telepathy. Still- 15 seconds straight with Chuck going all out makes me wonder. Lesser Hulk's fall.
Thor- Falls a second or two before Superman.
Wonder Woman- Doesn't her Tierra dampen Psionic Attacks in the New 52? I haven't followed much modern WW.
Magneto (without helmet)- Lasts about as long as he did last time. Which isn't very.
Captain Marvel- Which one?
Wolverine- Drops in the first 5 seconds.

I think Chuck can drop them all under these conditions. Sans maybe WW and Surfer. I don't know if they are immune or not.

Charles is the most powerful Telepath on Earth.
And for a mind like his- 15 seconds of "no defending yourself assault" is a small Eternity.

If you are not outright immune to Telepathy... you're in for a rough day.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Except Charles has mindraped Thor casually just recently and put him to sleep. Captain Marvel has absolutely no showings where he resists a telepath as powerful as Charles. In fact Brainwave has casually mindraped him.

I missed where he did that to Thor.

And he probably could put down Billy, I'm just not sure how Xavier would handle a possible magical backlash. I'm not making claims with my post, just stating my opinion.

Galan's posts were awesome though lol.

Originally posted by jaxthejester
IMHO- 15 seconds of uninterrupted telepathic assault from Chuck would be akin to 15 seconds of uninterrupted punches to the face from Superman while leaving your hands at your sides.

Not a lot of folks can stand up to that...

Nova Prime- Psi-Dampeners keep him up for a bit. But Chuck breaks through them after a few panels.
Surfer- Honestly not so sure. Has Surfer ever been brain blasted by an Omega Class telepath? If so, his reaction to the blast would be a prime indicator for me to judge how he holds up to a barrage of the same.
Superman- Lasts about as long anyone on this list. But still goes down.
Hulk (angry)- WWHulk was mostly immune to Telepathy. Still- 15 seconds straight with Chuck going all out makes me wonder. Lesser Hulk's fall.
Thor- Falls a second or two before Superman.
Wonder Woman- Doesn't her Tierra dampen Psionic Attacks in the New 52? I haven't followed much modern WW.
Magneto (without helmet)- Lasts about as long as he did last time. Which isn't very.
Captain Marvel- Which one?
Wolverine- Drops in the first 5 seconds.

I think Chuck can drop them all under these conditions. Sans maybe WW and Surfer. I don't know if they are immune or not.

Charles is the most powerful Telepath on Earth.
And for a mind like his- 15 seconds of "no defending yourself assault" is a small Eternity.

If you are not outright immune to Telepathy... you're in for a rough day.

This makes sense too

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Originally posted by Glorificus
Assuming Charles is going all out...

Nova Prime - resists
Surfer - resists
Superman - veggie
Hulk (angry) - resists
Thor - veggie
Wonder Woman - veggie
Magneto (without helmet) - veggie
Captain Marvel - veggie
Wolverine - veggie

@ Superman being turned to vegetable but ****ing nova prime resisting charles. Superman has resisted everything a telepath can throw at him.Originally posted by jaxthejester
IMHO- 15 seconds of uninterrupted telepathic assault from Chuck would be akin to 15 seconds of uninterrupted punches to the face from Superman while leaving your hands at your sides.

Not a lot of folks can stand up to that...

Nova Prime- Psi-Dampeners keep him up for a bit. But Chuck breaks through them after a few panels.
Surfer- Honestly not so sure. Has Surfer ever been brain blasted by an Omega Class telepath? If so, his reaction to the blast would be a prime indicator for me to judge how he holds up to a barrage of the same.
Superman- Lasts about as long anyone on this list. But still goes down.
Hulk (angry)- WWHulk was mostly immune to Telepathy. Still- 15 seconds straight with Chuck going all out makes me wonder. Lesser Hulk's fall.
Thor- Falls a second or two before Superman.
Wonder Woman- Doesn't her Tierra dampen Psionic Attacks in the New 52? I haven't followed much modern WW.
Magneto (without helmet)- Lasts about as long as he did last time. Which isn't very.
Captain Marvel- Which one?
Wolverine- Drops in the first 5 seconds.

I think Chuck can drop them all under these conditions. Sans maybe WW and Surfer. I don't know if they are immune or not.

Charles is the most powerful Telepath on Earth.
And for a mind like his- 15 seconds of "no defending yourself assault" is a small Eternity.

If you are not outright immune to Telepathy... you're in for a rough day.
Surfer was totally helpless under Eros' mental manipulation, he has also been mindcontrolled by Supernalia which Beast broke out of, some random magician mindcontrolled him to fight Dracula and Defenders had to free him from another mind control. Recently Wraith Queen mindraped him too and then he along with every defender was mindcontrolled in Defenders: From Marvel Vault as easily as savage hulk. There is nothing to suggest his mental resistance is better than even Thor.Originally posted by Odekahn
I missed where he did that to Thor.

And he probably could put down Billy, I'm just not sure how Xavier would handle a possible magical backlash. I'm not making claims with my post, just stating my opinion.

Galan's posts were awesome though lol.

There is no magical backlash in controlling Billy.

Then yeh, Surfer drops too.

We are going here only by low showings against TP ?

In durability threads, people go by best feats. Here, if you find a "low showing" against TP = Auto win for Xavier...?

Surfer, Thor and others here have some of good TP defence feats.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
We are going here only by low showings against TP ?

In durability threads, people go by best feats. Here, if you find a "low showing" against TP = Auto win for Xavier...?

Surfer, Thor and others here have some of good TP defence feats.
On average they don't have such a high mental protection to fend off an attack from someone like Chuck. Seriously it was suggested at one point that Charles could've put Galactus to sleep much less surfer.

Here is the scene with Supernalia BTW.

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Really bad showing for surfer's psi-resistance.

Yea sure... Xavier + 8 billions of Skrull failed but him alone could...not mention the SW incident.

Thor have feats against Emma with PF5, The Other (cosmic entitie) and Moondragon.

Surfer has TP feats in planetary scale.

Im not saying they can withstand Xavier attack. But here people are only using low showings.

I would say it definitely works on Superman if Max Lord can do that to him.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Yea sure... Xavier + 8 billions of Skrull failed but him alone could...not mention the SW incident.

Thor have feats against Emma with PF5, The Other (cosmic entitie) and Moondragon.

Surfer has TP feats in planetary scale.

Im not saying they can withstand Xavier attack. But here people are only using low showings.
Don't tell me that thing, tell that to Bendis.

Originally posted by Galan007
Clears.

Xavier could have preformed mind-phuckery on everyone who partook in Secret Wars... Among them was Galactus:
http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/17376504_3954322.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/17376505_2420899.jpg

Canon!

Also Xavier put Thor to sleep in the same series.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12930030/New_Avengers-Zone-_016.jpg.html

That's a better gauge of Thor's psi-resistance to Charles than anything.

Its not called low showings, its the direct showings.

Surfer talking to a planet of beings telepathically isn't such impressive when very low level telepaths have done so. Rachel summers has scanned every mind on earth and Charles casually beat her.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12930028/New_Avengers-Zone-_014.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12930029/New_Avengers-Zone-_015.jpg.html

Sorry but i guess you was unable to understand a forum joke...

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Sorry but i guess you was unable to understand a forum joke...

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman takes Xavier's Galactus busting TP and shoves it back in his head with TP resistance better than Spectre.

http://i.imgur.com/HdFNmiG.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/XjRzpVy.jpg

sneer Wait so every time someone tries to mindrape Supes he on pure instinct starts flying through stuff? Good thing it wasn't some old lady.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Sorry but i guess you was unable to understand a forum joke...
I understand it completely. Bendis doesn't however. He stated it again in Illuminati.

Thor's TP resistance in particular varies depending on the story, but Xavier does have the benefit of actually having been able to telepathically shut him down.

Originally posted by SamZED
Wait so every time someone tries to mindrape Supes he on pure instinct starts flying through stuff? Good thing it wasn't some old lady.
Which is mindraping ****ing spectre? You bet.

Is the Spectre DC's Rhino? The guy jobs everytime I see him it seems.

Originally posted by tkitna
Is the Spectre DC's Rhino? The guy jobs everytime I see him it seems.
Those guys who were mindraping him? A universe of psionic consciousness can be a little powerful, ya'know.

Spectre is getting embarrassed in his every appearance, even Aquaman laughs at him

http://i40.tinypic.com/2zh4hz6.jpg

It's like you want to be banned, almost...

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On topic:

Depends entirely on the Xavier you're using.

On average, a good portion of these guys are resisting. If it's uber Charles, though, he isn't being stopped by much if at all.

Originally posted by SamZED
Wait so every time someone tries to mindrape Supes he on pure instinct starts flying through stuff? Good thing it wasn't some old lady.
To be fair it's not like Spectre has god tier mental telepath feats in that story. Martian Manhunter Batman were to to resisit Spectre at the time. I'm mistaken Joker has mind****ed Spectre before too.


Where as Galactus is should to be at a level where Thanos, Xaiver, Doctor Strange(once got knocked out by Galactus giving him a surge info),etc couldn't do much of anything to harm.

Originally posted by Iron-man
To be fair it's not like Spectre has god tier mental telepath feats in that story. Martian Manhunter Batman were to to resisit Spectre at the time. I'm mistaken Joker has mind****ed Spectre before too.


Where as Galactus is should to be at a level where Thanos, Xaiver, Doctor Strange(once got knocked out by Galactus giving him a surge info),etc couldn't do much of anything to harm.
Haha, what? Spectre collected every thought of humanity while it was supercharged by Trans and channeled it back to Trans which defeated them.

http://i.imgur.com/6uviIH7.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/LONtnDI.jpg

Trans were a living Universe.

http://i.imgur.com/NGIBVCP.jpg

That's better than anything Galactus has done psionically. Then there is him collecting all of the human misery and suffering through every temporal timeline, and then psychically fed it to Sitgmonus
His mind functioning on an Universal level.
Spectre's body is a consciousness itself, containing eternity itself, and beings like Galactus are nothing compared to that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Spectre's body is a consciousness itself, containing eternity itself, and beings like Galactus are nothing compared to that.
The point is that acting like Superman overcoming The trans/Spectre's subconscious despite the fact that Batman did it too, and Martain Manhunter linking Spectre's mind doesn't make it seem like Spectre has super high defenses. Since Spectre seem very vulnerable at that story, and he needed the willpower of JLA/humanity to win against the Trans.

Then there is the fact that Joker's psyche once temporarily took over Spectre's Jim Corrigan's body until Spectre's used other souls to drawn Joker out.
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080201023917/marvel_dc/images/6/6a/Spectre-v3-51.jpg

Galactus also has nigh-omniscience like mind too. While it isn't embodiment of the universe, Galactus does have large range of mental senses
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media-full/Doom%20Fights/DoomvsBeyonder06.jpg.htm
The difference is that Galactus defenses to break seeing how Uatu/Odin are two cosmic beings that were there strong enough to probe Galactus, while Thanos/Xaiver got dismissed, and Doctor Strange got kayoed once when Galactus put information in his mind(We know that Strange's willpower/mind is tough stuff).

Originally posted by carver9
Wow...going by that scan, he could have done the same things to the Beyonder as well.
Nope. Xavier's tp is nothing to even a hungry Galactus. Xavier, while juiced up on the minds of millions of skrulls, was barely able to communicate with Galactus, let alone mindrape him. Pretty much the same thing happened in Secret Wars as well, Galan's ridiculous scans notwithstanding.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman takes Xavier's Galactus busting TP and shoves it back in his head with TP resistance better than Spectre.
A big, fat at "Galactus-busting tp".

Chuck sucessfully rapes em all.

Originally posted by Iron-man
Galactus also has nigh-omniscience like mind too. While it isn't embodiment of the universe, Galactus does have large range of mental senses
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media-full/Doom%20Fights/DoomvsBeyonder06.jpg.htm
The difference is that Galactus defenses to break seeing how Uatu/Odin are two cosmic beings that were there strong enough to probe Galactus, while Thanos/Xaiver got dismissed, and Doctor Strange got kayoed once when Galactus put information in his mind(We know that Strange's willpower/mind is tough stuff).
The Mad Celestials have also been able to enter Galactus' mind without any apparent discomfort.

Originally posted by Iron-man
To be fair it's not like Spectre has god tier mental telepath feats in that story. Martian Manhunter Batman were to to resisit Spectre at the time. I'm mistaken Joker has mind****ed Spectre before too.


Where as Galactus is should to be at a level where Thanos, Xaiver, Doctor Strange(once got knocked out by Galactus giving him a surge info),etc couldn't do much of anything to harm.
IIRC, the Spectre has also been beaten by Manjobber in a psychic battle on the astral plane.

@abhi: Let's not go about making such silly claims as Galactus being nothing compared to a guy like Spectre in the psionic department. And lol at universal-level consciousness being at all relevant in a discussion involving Galactus. Trust me, you of all people don't want to get into a debate of Galactus' feats on the mental/astral level compared to someone like the Spectre.

Originally posted by Iron-man
The point is that acting like Superman overcoming The trans/Spectre's subconscious despite the fact that Batman did it too, and Martain Manhunter linking Spectre's mind doesn't make it seem like Spectre has super high defenses. Since Spectre seem very vulnerable at that story, and he needed the willpower of JLA/humanity to win against the Trans.

Then there is the fact that Joker's psyche once temporarily took over Spectre's Jim Corrigan's body until Spectre's used other souls to drawn Joker out.
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080201023917/marvel_dc/images/6/6a/Spectre-v3-51.jpg

Galactus also has nigh-omniscience like mind too. While it isn't embodiment of the universe, Galactus does have large range of mental senses
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media-full/Doom%20Fights/DoomvsBeyonder06.jpg.htm
The difference is that Galactus defenses to break seeing how Uatu/Odin are two cosmic beings that were there strong enough to probe Galactus, while Thanos/Xaiver got dismissed, and Doctor Strange got kayoed once when Galactus put information in his mind(We know that Strange's willpower/mind is tough stuff).
Why does Batman overcoming Trans means anything regarding Superman's feat? Batman was treated as having the strongest will power among them all. Its a very high end feat for Batman rather than low showing for spectre. Also J'onn linking Spectre's mind to the Joker isn't a bad showing considering Hal was very n00bish at that time. Dragging spectre+JLA's mind isn't a low end feat for spectre either, its a high end feat for J'onn.


Have you read the comic? Spectre was overpowered because he was in Joker's mind which made it Joker's turf or something. Its Joker, he has made Bat-mite who is a 5-D imp and could casually create several universes beaten in his mind. His madness is a plot device in itself.


You don't want me to bring Galactus' low end feats here. ****ing silver surfer has created illusions which fooled him at one point, Dr. Strange knocked him out with a mental attack while he was weakened etc. Anyway Spectre has several cosmic entities failing to enter his mind, not have a prolonged TP fight with a skyfather like Odin. He is simply above the likes of Galactus.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You don't want me to bring Galactus' low end feats here. ****ing silver surfer has created illusions which fooled him at one point, Dr. Strange knocked him out with a mental attack while he was weakened etc. Anyway Spectre has several cosmic entities failing to enter his mind, not have a prolonged TP fight with a skyfather like Odin. He is simply above the likes of Galactus.
Yes, do bring them up, because contrary to popular opinion, they are far and few as compared to Spectre's low end feats. And they almost always have heavy context loaded in them. Not to mention Strange's hax attack was performed when Galactus was almost already near death, and it is the lone instance of a lower-level hero actually taking him out, not to mention that a magic spell being equated to a psionic attack is retarded as hell.

Lolwut? So Galactus actually coming out on top against Odin in their tp battle is a low showing now? Not to mention that this skyfather has shaken the multiverse before, has easily bfred universe-destroying energies, and is easily one of the most powerful beings in the Marvel universe, who actually has good tp feats of his own. Heck, Odin vs Spectre would be a better debate than Galactus vs Spectre.

Originally posted by Epicurus
IIRC, the Spectre has also been beaten by Manjobber in a psychic battle on the astral plane.

@abhi: Let's not go about making such silly claims as Galactus being nothing compared to a guy like Spectre in the psionic department. And lol at universal-level consciousness being at all relevant in a discussion involving Galactus. Trust me, you of all people don't want to get into a debate of Galactus' feats on the mental/astral level compared to someone like the Spectre.
Spectre has WTFpwned manjobber in his own title. Manhunter has never been beaten by J'onn.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/MartianManhunterv223-19.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/MartianManhunterv223-20.jpg

Galactus was nearly overwhelmed by Thanos who had to take moondragon's help to enter astral plane and The Other dildo raped him and left him to die back in SS v3.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Yes, do bring them up, because contrary to popular opinion, they are far and few as compared to Spectre's low end feats. And they almost always have heavy context loaded in them. Not to mention Strange's hax attack was performed when Galactus was almost already near death, and it is the lone instance of a lower-level hero actually taking him out, not to mention that a magic spell being equated to a psionic attack is retarded as hell.

Lolwut? So Galactus actually coming out on top against Odin in their tp battle is a low showing now? Not to mention that this skyfather has shaken the multiverse before, has easily bfred universe-destroying energies, and is easily one of the most powerful beings in the Marvel universe, who actually has good tp feats of his own. Heck, Odin vs Spectre would be a better debate than Galactus vs Spectre.
Same with Spectre whose low showings are tied to how much power Logoz grants to its users.

Heh, what does shaking multiverse and BFRing universal energies has to do with TP? A random new god has created universes, Darkseid has flushed the whole multiverse down the toilet and Spectre has actually killed Darkseid casually.

Spectre beats Odin by a flick of his fingers and Galactus with two flicks. When they can stop two universes colliding, call me.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/spectreearth.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/spectreearth1.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Charles has 15 seconds to mind rape someone to the point that their unconscious. Who will Falk and who will still be standing?

Contestants...

Nova Prime
Surfer
Superman
Hulk (angry)
Thor
Wonder Woman
Magneto (without helmet)
Captain Marvel
Wolverine

Everyone here is resisting.

Back on topic....

They all fall. Hulk has a good chance of resisting, though, because of his powerset. Angrier he gets and all that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
On average they don't have such a high mental protection to fend off an attack from someone like Chuck. Seriously it was suggested at one point that Charles could've put Galactus to sleep much less surfer.

Originally posted by Galan007
Clears.

Xavier could have preformed mind-phuckery on everyone who partook in Secret Wars... Among them was Galactus:
http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/17376504_3954322.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/17376505_2420899.jpg

Canon!

The key thing there is that Chuck was claiming he could have put everyone to sleep, it wasn't fact by a long shot. He was conveniently forgetting that in that same story the Enchantress casually kicked him out and laughed at his TP when he tried it on her.

Reed: "Err, Professor... I was at the Secret Wars too I and I distinctly remember you combined your power with Magneto's, and you still couldn't even get Galactus to notice your TP probe. You said that even unawares Galactus' mind was too powerful for you. In fact you said you were like 'gnats' to him. So, what exactly ? You just deliberately failed, and looked stupid on purpose?"

Prof X: "Ah... hmm. Now I'm not quite sure -"

Reed: "Also, I remember Enchantress shutting you down, blocking your power from affecting the other villains, flat out calling you a 'joke', and laughing at your bald head when you tried your TP on her."

Prof X: "SHE DID NOT LAUGH AT MY BALD HEAD!! WOMEN THINK BALD MEN ARE SEXY DAMN YOU!!!"

Reed: "And you showed Ultron in that flashback. Are you suggesting you could shut down Ultron telepathically? And I've seen you try to stop Hulk telepathically - you failed at that too."

Prof X: "Look, I'm just saying I could have finished it all. You know... if I wanted to.

Originally posted by basilisk


Prof X: "Look, I'm just saying I could have finished it all. You know... if I wanted to.

Prof X: I'm relevant, damn you!

Originally posted by basilisk
The key thing there is that Chuck was claiming he could have put everyone to sleep, it wasn't fact by a long shot. He was conveniently forgetting that in that same story the Enchantress casually kicked him out and laughed at his TP when he tried it on her.

Reed: "Err, Professor... I was at the Secret Wars too I and I distinctly remember you combined your power with Magneto's, and you still couldn't even get Galactus to notice your TP probe. You said that even unawares Galactus' mind was too powerful for you. In fact you said you were like 'gnats' to him. So, what exactly ? You just deliberately failed, and looked stupid on purpose?"

Prof X: "Ah... hmm. Now I'm not quite sure -"

Reed: "Also, I remember Enchantress shutting you down, blocking your power from affecting the other villains, flat out calling you a 'joke', and laughing at your bald head when you tried your TP on her."

Prof X: "SHE DID NOT LAUGH AT MY BALD HEAD!! WOMEN THINK BALD MEN ARE SEXY DAMN YOU!!!"

Reed: "And you showed Ultron in that flashback. Are you suggesting you could shut down Ultron telepathically? And I've seen you try to stop Hulk telepathically - you failed at that too."

Prof X: "Look, I'm just saying I could have finished it all. You know... if I wanted to. Sure things brah, somebody tell Bendis that. Reed claimed the same thing in Illuminati that Chuck could've pulled it off. I find it absurd that Bendis even considered this to be printed.

Originally posted by basilisk
"And I've seen you try to stop Hulk telepathically - you failed at that too."

He failed against WWH, but owned Savage Hulk.

No idea how he'd fare against Banner Hulk that was in SW, though.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor's TP resistance in particular varies depending on the story, but Xavier does have the benefit of actually having been able to telepathically shut him down.

But then, comes a question:

How would go the Spider Woman with Shield TP block machine against Moondragon, The Other and Emma PF5 ?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Sure things brah, somebody tell Bendis that. Reed claimed the same thing in Illuminati that Chuck could've pulled it off. I find it absurd that Bendis even considered this to be printed.

Ok, and what matter then ?

In another thread you was saying " dont matter if a writer said WW have better reflexes than Superman, is just one writer and we should ignore him, he is wrong".

Now, even if we know for 100% sure Xavier cant do nothing against Galactus (he tried and falied more than one time), you still are using it, im not sure why.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Ok, and what matter then ?

In another thread you was saying " dont matter if a writer said WW have better reflexes than Superman, is just one writer and we should ignore him, he is wrong".

Now, even if we know for 100% sure Xavier cant do nothing against Galactus (he tried and falied more than one time), you still are using it, im not sure why.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Spectre has WTFpwned manjobber in his own title. Manhunter has never been beaten by J'onn.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/MartianManhunterv223-19.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/MartianManhunterv223-20.jpg

Galactus was nearly overwhelmed by Thanos who had to take moondragon's help to enter astral plane and The Other dildo raped him and left him to die back in SS v3.


Same with Spectre whose low showings are tied to how much power Logoz grants to its users.

Heh, what does shaking multiverse and BFRing universal energies has to do with TP? A random new god has created universes, Darkseid has flushed the whole multiverse down the toilet and Spectre has actually killed Darkseid casually.

Spectre beats Odin by a flick of his fingers and Galactus with two flicks. When they can stop two universes colliding, call me.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/spectreearth.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/spectreearth1.jpg
Which still does not change the fact that Manhunter easily forced him on the astral plane and pretty much mind-jacked him ftw.

Lol, now you're just straight up lying. At no point was Galactus actually threatened by Thanos when the latter tried to mind-probe him with Moondragon's help. Thanos came out looking far the worse of that encounter. Galactus stalemated both Scrier and the Other coming at him recently. We give precedence to what's most recent.

With the only difference being that Galactus' low showings don't just pop up when he's hungry either. He needs to be deadbeat starving for lower-level heroes to stand a chance. Heck, a hungry Galactus nearly blew up the universe in his fight with Mephisto.

I am mentioning that in response to you implying that beating a high-level skyfather who has established feats in terms of tp in a battle of tp is somehow a low showing compared to someone like Spectre, when it is far from that. Especially when on considers how the Spectre is majorly lacking in such feats. With their mother boxes. Context. Random new gods are barely herald level beings, you ignoring the context of a showing and trying to equate them to a high-end skyfather like Odin is laughable. Not to mention that if this is the showing which I suspect you're referring to(Hourman's hyperbolic commentary), then it is pretty much a non-feat to bring up in correlation to a being like Odin who has actually performed feats of such a level on-panel.

Let me guess; this is the same finger flick he used on Black Adam? Based on actual showings, the Spectre isn't that much above Odin, in fact a forum fight between the 2 would be an arguably good debate.

Lol at you thinking that stopping 2 colliding universes is at all worth mentioning a feat when talking about a being like Galactus. Because that apparently trumps holding your own against multiple bonafide universal powerhouses, or bringing the multiverse to its breaking point.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Ok, and what matter then ?

In another thread you was saying " dont matter if a writer said WW have better reflexes than Superman, is just one writer and we should ignore him, he is wrong".

Now, even if we know for 100% sure Xavier cant do nothing against Galactus (he tried and falied more than one time), you still are using it, im not sure why.
I'm not using it for anything. I found this statement to be infinitely absurd in all honesty that Bendis even considered it to be written. All I was saying that if such a statement can be seen in a comic, I wouldn't be surprised to see Charles mindrape Surfer. Its a complete non feat and quite frankly absurd.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm not using it for anything. I found this statement to be infinitely absurd in all honesty that Bendis even considered it to be written. All I was saying that if such a statement can be seen in a comic, I wouldn't be surprised to see Charles mindrape Surfer. Its a complete non feat and quite frankly absurd. How long have you been reading comics ? You're actually shocked conflicting statements and opinions exist in comics is somewhat baffling.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Sure things brah, somebody tell Bendis that. Reed claimed the same thing in Illuminati that Chuck could've pulled it off. I find it absurd that Bendis even considered this to be printed.
Then stop bringing it up. Whether or not Xavier can mindrape the Surfer with ease is up for debate, but Xavier being a telepathic microbe compared to Galactus is not.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Which still does not change the fact that Manhunter easily forced him on the astral plane and pretty much mind-jacked him ftw. While Hal was totally inexperienced with his powers and still owned Joker's psyche while Manhunter got owned by it. Totally incomparable.

Of course he was. Thanos nearly tentacled raped him by an ambush. A very high end showing doesn't negate something previously done. Other mindraped him and was unable to break a normal human's will in the very same story.



He was also getting beat up by Ego and ran away from Thor's godblast. A weak spectre nearly tore down heaven, hell and every thing in between according to superman in Day of Judgement and casually turned Neron into glass. Galactus got stalemated by surfer's whipping boy Mephisto.



What level of TP is that? We've seen Loki nearly stalemate Odin's TP. He isn't. At all. Nope.


Why? A feat is a feat.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/newgod.jpg

Darkseid has created several realities too BTW. Nearly destroyed the whole of existence by Omega energies.

What hyperbolic commentary? New Gods have done it too on panel.

Actually yes. He got turned into Teth Adam in the very same issue with a glance. He owned Thunderbolt with a gesture too and depowered Mxy. Hahaha. Spectre would own Odin like a weak feeb. In actual marvel and DC crossovers he is more of a peer to LT than feebs like Odin and Galactus. Remind us of how Galactus fared against Krona and who overpowered the merging of marvel and DC universes which was done by things like IG, CCU and shit? Ah yes, the hooded fella.

Of course it is. How did IG held when stopping the colliding of two universes? We take recent materials, don't we?

Originally posted by Epicurus
Then stop bringing it up. Whether or not Xavier can mindrape the Surfer with ease is up for debate, but Xavier being a telepathic microbe compared to Galactus is not.
Ok, don't blame it on me that shit was printed in a comic.

So Abhilegend is going to downplay Galactus and ignore the fact he was weakened against Thor and was beating Mephisto in his own realm. You actually lie.

Spectre was also depowered in day of judgment by mages.


But don't blame it on me blame it on the comics.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Captain Marvel has absolutely no showings where he resists a telepath as powerful as Charles. In fact Brainwave has casually mindraped him.

You say that as though Henry King Jr is of no consequence. TP wise he's close to MMH league easily. In TP offense perhaps even slightly higher, though in a TP battle he would loose to Jonn' which I'll explain shortly.

Let's remember that the strength of mind that Mehen give BA allowed him to resist Jonn's TP assault in WWIII (this is one of a few examples of where BA and caps powers vary but i know you'll never see my way on that). Yet that same mental strength could not prevent Henry from breaching his defenses in 52. BA certainly sorted that out with a quick threat.

The reason why Jonn's would always win in a TP battle against Henry even though "potentially" Henry has greater assault force ( as another example an portion of hi Psychy almost defeated Maxima in the astral plane where she's supposed to be boss, was too much "sheer power for her' and she had to psycho analyze him for the win). Henry however has no where near the TP resistence of many TPers on their level. It was stated as far back as Infinity Inc's first dozen or so issues that he can't even close his mind off to thoughts around him. he always has hundreds of minds in his at once. That was the reason he went insane.

Just saying I wouldn't short sell BW as a tper, he could mind read/scan everyone on the planet in Millennium, and could TP force two whole armies to commit suicide by standing at point blank and making them fire on each other.

Originally posted by beatboks
You say that as though Henry King Jr is of no consequence. TP wise he's close to MMH league easily. In TP offense perhaps even slightly higher, though in a TP battle he would loose to Jonn' which I'll explain shortly.

Let's remember that the strength of mind that Mehen give BA allowed him to resist Jonn's TP assault in WWIII (this is one of a few examples of where BA and caps powers vary but i know you'll never see my way on that). Yet that same mental strength could not prevent Henry from breaching his defenses in 52. BA certainly sorted that out with a quick threat.

The reason why Jonn's would always win in a TP battle against Henry even though "potentially" Henry has greater assault force ( as another example an portion of hi Psychy almost defeated Maxima in the astral plane where she's supposed to be boss, was too much "sheer power for her' and she had to psycho analyze him for the win). Henry however has no where near the TP resistence of many TPers on their level. It was stated as far back as Infinity Inc's first dozen or so issues that he can't even close his mind off to thoughts around him. he always has hundreds of minds in his at once. That was the reason he went insane.

Just saying I wouldn't short sell BW as a tper, he could mind read/scan everyone on the planet in Millennium, and could TP force two whole armies to commit suicide by standing at point blank and making them fire on each other.
A better comparison would be Grey Man vs J'onn/Cap. Grey Man took control of Cap casually and J'onn was fighting him evenly on psychic plane.

BTW, can you post BW scanning everyone on planet in millenium?

Originally posted by abhilegend
While Hal was totally inexperienced with his powers and still owned Joker's psyche while Manhunter got owned by it. Totally incomparable.

Of course he was. Thanos nearly tentacled raped him by an ambush. A very high end showing doesn't negate something previously done. Other mindraped him and was unable to break a normal human's will in the very same story.



He was also getting beat up by Ego and ran away from Thor's godblast. A weak spectre nearly tore down heaven, hell and every thing in between according to superman in Day of Judgement and casually turned Neron into glass. Galactus got stalemated by surfer's whipping boy Mephisto.



What level of TP is that? We've seen Loki nearly stalemate Odin's TP. He isn't. At all. Nope.

He isn't. At all.

Nope.

Why? A feat is a feat.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/newgod.jpg

Darkseid has created several realities too BTW. Nearly destroyed the whole of existence by Omega energies.

What hyperbolic commentary? New Gods have done it too on panel.

Actually yes. He got turned into Teth Adam in the very same issue with a glance. He owned Thunderbolt with a gesture too and depowered Mxy.

Hahaha. Spectre would own Odin like a weak feeb. In actual marvel and DC crossovers he is more of a peer to LT than feebs like Odin and Galactus. Remind us of how Galactus fared against Krona and who overpowered the merging of marvel and DC universes which was done by things like IG, CCU and shit? Ah yes, the hooded fella.

Of course it is. How did IG held when stopping the colliding of two universes? We take recent materials, don't we?
He was eventually beaten down as well and turned trapped in a birdcage. You miss that portion. J'onn has forced him on the astral plane against his will, and easily at that.

Thanos was beaten down like a punk despite mind gem powered Moondragon's assistance. You're exaggerating.

Except when that particular showing is the more recent feat. Think.

Weakened, starved almost to the point of death. IIRC, he also practically beat Ego before Thor chased him off with his Godblast. The very same godblast which has been used in conjunction with 3 other similar godblasts to hold the sagging walls of the Marvel Multiverse. A hungry Galactus nearly beat Mephisto in the latter's own realm, conditions under which Mephisto is nigh-omnipotent. Mephisto isn't the Surfer's whipping boy, it's actually the other way round. Your lying/lowballing is horrible at this point.

Try rectifying Warrior's madness level of tp. Lol, when has Loki ever stalemated Odin telepathically?

Point out some feats then.

Yes.

What feat? A hyperbolic statement which is worth jacksquat in a forum debate? I understand that you're trying desperately to ascertain that New Gods from Morrison's run(which ultimately culminated in Final Crisis), are the only versions of the characters we can use in a debate, but sorry, that kind of power is only possessed by a mod. Last I checked, you're not a mod. There is not a single universe being forged shown in that scan. I have seen enough on-panel feats of truly powerful characters actually designing a universe(Lucifer, Franklin Richards, Caitlin Fairchild at the conclusion of Gen13, HoM Wanda, the Celestials etc.) and that scan means didly squat compared to all these real feats of Creation.

That doesn't seem as much of a reality creation as it appears that the Omega Sanction is simply repeatedly shifting its form to adapt into the most suitable prison in order to best torment its prisoners. Which is exactly what it does. I have a hunch that you knew so much, but for some reason, you have to exaggerate that.

He got one punch-impaled by Bladam. Horrid showing. Mxy is also his superior. He has owned him at least twice(one being the Emperor Joker arrc) that I recall of, and both times that was a high-end Spectre.

Yes, because crossovers are somehow an indication of these characters perform in a forum fight. It's not as if forum rules explicitly forbid the usage of crossovers to gauge how characters perform against one another in a forum fight. Sorry kiddo, but if the Spectre is the peer of the Living Tribunal, then He-Man is a peer(at the very least, superior at the very best considering how he killed him) of Superman.

CCUs are nothing compared to Galactus either. A Cube Being openly admitted that it's orders of magnitude inferior to a Celestial, which guess what, is a peer to the likes of Galactus. Heck, the Red Skull, after obtaining godlike from a cosmic cube, coveted tech from Galactus's ship, which he considered superior to the cube. Tech Galactus himself doesn't give 2 sh1ts about. You do realize that IGs have been gimped enormously the last couple years, don't you? Council of Reeds ring a bell?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok, don't blame it on me that shit was printed in a comic.
Stop bringing it up. It makes you look like a sh1t debater. Read their actual encounters, in one of which an amped X looks like a total weak feeb compared to a weakened Galactusduring their telepathic confrontation. I am guessing you already have, but want to ignore those actual showings in favor of useless Bendis-written hyperbole.

Originally posted by Epicurus
He was eventually beaten down as well and turned trapped in a birdcage. That was Emperor Joker. You seriously suck at this.

That's as much relevant as Dr. Strange KTFO Galactus with some images or Silver Surfer fooling Galctus with some illusions. Hal was a total n00b at that point.

Moondragon was without mind gem and she was just there to create a link for Thanos to travel to astral zone. Thanos nearly overwhelmed him with his tentacles there before Galactus made his heroic NOOOOOO at the prospect of rape.

http://i.imgur.com/PlVbL4e.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/dn7lEkm.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/WbA0P5S.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/mLJdySX.jpg

"Seduce and Violate me."



Tentacle rape anybody?

So? It still doesn't means that Other didn't mindrape and left him for dead like a two bit whore.

I am talking about Fantastic Four 220 where Ego made him run away with his tail between his legs. And which was unable to harm Juggernaut and was only equal to Surfer's portion of power cosmic and Surtur and Ymir shrugged off it too. Way to go Galactus. LOLWUT? Galactus stalemated Mephisto and was only able to fend him off when he threatened to devour his realm. LOL @ nigh omnipotent though. Both Thor and Surfer have beat the shit out of him in his own realm. That's why Surfer has like half a dozen stalemates with him?

Which was what level actually? He has. When Loki took control of Odin's body for example, he briefly stalemated Odin.



I have.
No.

Haha, cute but no cigar for you. Why is it hyperbole? We saw the new gods creating universes. No shit bro. Morrison retconned all the previous showings. Of course there is. The bubbles there? They are actual universes as Orion tells Superman here.

http://i.imgur.com/s9SAVgh.jpg

Learn and weep.

To someone as ignorant you. Perhaps true.

And creating characters like Captain marvel, superman and wonder woman only for them to die? We saw Omega Sanction making Batman go through torment, its not a mindrape. Its actually creating new realities. LOL, pot, Kettle.

His physical form is nothing to him. Its just ectoplasm. And we take the most recent material which had Spectre making Mxy powerless and killing people like Nabu.

its better than your fanfiction characters. Doesn't means that they can't be used to gauge the respective power level of characters. Sorry kiddo, Superman still beat the shit out of Thor. A mindcontrolled superman getting killed by a magical sword doesn't mean anything.

That's why Doom owned him with a CCU. That's why Thanos became universal with CCU and Magus obliterated Galactus with a fraction of power from 5 CCUs. Sure thing brah. Means what exactly? IG is still far above Galactus and you yourself said that the recent materials take precedent over older materials. Good argument there ZopZop.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Stop bringing it up. It makes you look like a sh1t debater. Read their actual encounters, in one of which an amped X looks like a total weak feeb compared to a weakened Galactusduring their telepathic confrontation. I am guessing you already have, but want to ignore those actual showings in favor of useless Bendis-written hyperbole.
And I didn't use it as an argument. I just used it as a measure to far Charles can be stroked by writers. Anyway this is way off topic as it is. If you want the last word, you can take it now.

Not sure what is happening here, but my guess is abhi wants to convince people that Galactus could not mind rape Superman in 0.0001 seconds ?



What? Doom dont said Galactus power >>> Cosmic Cube ?

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Not sure what is happening here, but my guess is abhi wants to convince people that Galactus could not mind rape Superman in 0.0001 seconds ?



What? Doom dont said Galactus power >>> Cosmic Cube ?
facepalm

When you don't know about something, its better to shut up. Its not about Galactus/Superman at all. Its about TGK's hilarious attempts to somehow negate all the feats of DC characters as hyperboles.

Doom said Galactus' power>>CCU or the combined power level of several artifacts>>CCU after he stripped Galactus of his power with CCU?

Originally posted by abhilegend
facepalm

When you don't know about something, its better to shut up. Its not about Galactus/Superman at all. Its about TGK's hilarious attempts to somehow negate all the feats of DC characters as hyperboles.

Doom said Galactus' power>>CCU or the combined power level of several artifacts>>CCU after he stripped Galactus of his power with CCU? Being more powerful doesn't make you unbeatable. Simple logic ftw.

I know that Spectre wins, but you act like Spectre is levels beyond Galactus TP. I doubt it, even if Spectre was it's not Superman resisted Spectre's telepathy. He was just able to resistance Spectre's subconscious going out of whack, which isn't TP resistance.

The fact that MM in one showing could beaten by Spectre, yet in soul wars MM was able to connect Spectre's mind should send red flags that Spectre's mind at the time wasn't at his peak.


Good on ahead. Stop pretending Superman overcoming Spectre subconscious when it's obvious that Spectre at that story wasn't at it's prime should be considered a feat of Telepathy resistance.

But also we know that Galactus made a illusion that lasted for a long time, and nobody would know about it.

But we know that Galactus was too distracted by Thor and Iron man to fight Dr.Strange at the time. We know that Galactus was at one of the weakest points. Even if you do bring up that, we know that Tiamut was trying to get in Galactus in a differen story but needed Galactus to fall to do that.




As completely immune to it, I doubt that given how characters like Eclipso seem to have controlled him a little bit. Seeing how The Trans were damaging Spectre's mind, I can't imagine it's

You know there isn't much a huge gap between Galactus and Odin. It's not like Odin is miles weaker then Spectre is at his normal levels

By all means forget that Odin was the dude that could fix Warrior Madness in Thor, when Moondragon/Thanos couldn't.

Quan...I think ABHI is scared to face you.

Originally posted by carver9
Quan...I think ABHI is scared to face you.

Originally posted by abhilegend


http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/spectreearth.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/spectreearth1.jpg

Those scans from Countdown are also just a brief retelling of a Pre-Crisis JLA story, which is where it originally happened.

Another Pre Crisis instance i recall where Spectre performed a similar feat, would be in All-Star Squadron (pulling apart 2 universes), on top of that in that same story, the voice said that Spectre's aura was powerful enough to upset the multiversal cosmic balance or something similar.

Originally posted by operator616
Those scans from Countdown are also just a brief retelling of a Pre-Crisis JLA story, which is where it originally happened.

Another Pre Crisis instance i recall where Spectre performed a similar feat, would be in All-Star Squadron (pulling apart 2 universes), on top of that in that same story, the voice said that Spectre's aura was powerful enough to upset the multiversal cosmic balance or something similar.
Can you post those scans?

Originally posted by operator616
Those scans from Countdown are also just a brief retelling of a Pre-Crisis JLA story, which is where it originally happened.

Another Pre Crisis instance i recall where Spectre performed a similar feat, would be in All-Star Squadron (pulling apart 2 universes), on top of that in that same story, the voice said that Spectre's aura was powerful enough to upset the multiversal cosmic balance or something similar.

The All Star Squadron one wasn't so much holding two universes apart as two Earths. Spectre had sensed the presence of Earth X because uncle Sam opened a vortex to it taking heroes (like Hourman and red bee from memory) to help fight the axis. Once spectre pierced the veil his aura of power made each earth feel it's natural position to be in the place of the other. Both Earth x and Earth 2 were trying to occupy the same place in time/space as I recall. I'll try and find the scans as well as the one from Millennium, which was really nothing more than a panel where BW told the assembled he'd scanned Earth fro Manhunters and found none (because all were in the earth core base)

Originally posted by Epicurus
Except when that particular showing is the more recent feat. Think. Galactus was on the outskirts of Zenn-La's solar system at the time and 50 years ago, which hints at that being right after he acquired Surfer, which means he was hungry.
Also hinted at him fighting The Other and Scrier at the same time when he wasn't hungry... but we ignore that in favor of the context pointing to his hunger.
Funny I seen the Godblast brought up too considering that story as well.

And some other points I noticed that have funny context (there's probably more, but I don't care to re-read those quotes)... Galactus was hungry in his second fight with Ego. In fact, that's the whole reason he found Ego. And he left because they were too evenly matched.

And Mephisto easily beat Surfer while holding back in the same story he fought Galactus. Which means he wasn't operating at "stalemating Surfer" levels. Crazy thought huh?

Originally posted by Iron-man
I know that Spectre wins, but you act like Spectre is levels beyond Galactus TP. He is. What? Superman destroyed the astral being who was mindraping spectre, it wasn't spectre's subconscious going whack or something.

Hal was a total n00b when J'onn pulled his mind to the astral plane. This story JLA/Spectre: Soul War happened several years after that where Hal had mastered his powers.


LOL, STFU. First read the story and then talk about it. It was Trans who was mindraping spectre, not spectre's subconsciousness and spectre was at prime of his powers.

So? Everybody thought Zenn-La was still there so they didn't suspect it was an illusion. Otherwise even Genis as Legacy saw through the illusion.

Doesn't means his low showings are going to get annulled. Non Canon.




That's because Superman once gave his body's control to eclipso and once it tricked him. Otherwise Superman has overpowered Eclipso's control too.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Willpower/ManOfSteelAnnual01a.jpg

Superman's resistance to psi is absolutely ridiculous at his best.

Of course he is. Spectre crushes beings like Odin at his prime. He is one of the most powerful abstracts in DCU. To think a marvel skyfather is near him in power is just marvel cock stroking.

So? Thor killed his own mad self in astral plane. Odin didn't. When Odin or Galactus collects every thought of humanity through several timelines and feed it to someone, call me.

Originally posted by Iron-man
By all means forget that Odin was the dude that could fix Warrior Madness in Thor, when Moondragon/Thanos couldn't.

Thanos, Dr. Strange, the Silver Surfer, Drax, Adam Warlock, Moondragon, and Maxam had to combine their wills for one sudden attack to just barely break free:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorInsaneWill3.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorInsaneWill4.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorInsaneWill5.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorInsaneWill6.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorInsaneWill7.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorInsaneWill8.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorInsaneWill9.jpg

And it was made clear that Odin didn't cure Thor from the Warrior Madness because it could have done damage to his mind:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorInsaneWill10.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorInsaneWill11.jpg

Oh yeah, he also easily pierced the barrier into Thor's mind twice when Moondragon had a hell of a time:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorInsaneWill1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorInsaneWill2.jpg

And Thor only let Moondragon in through to his mind:
http://s779.photobucket.com/user/R-O-G/media/Thor/ThorInsaneWill5.jpg.html

Originally posted by Epicurus
Try rectifying Warrior's madness level of tp. Lol, when has Loki ever stalemated Odin telepathically?

http://s8.postimg.org/msf60krw1/Thor455_14.jpghttp://s8.postimg.org/53nf8yg4x/Thor455_15.jpg

Yeah, I know.....

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
http://s8.postimg.org/msf60krw1/Thor455_14.jpghttp://s8.postimg.org/53nf8yg4x/Thor455_15.jpg

Yeah, I know..... Odin sucks. How could he stalemate Loki for a second? The feat where Spectre did that one thing with pure power shows his TP is crazily above Odin/Galactus. And Superman is way more powerful!!! Which means Superman >>> Spectre >>> Odin/Galactus. Haters beware.

Although I find it funny that judging from the quotes I read anyway, that Abhi is defending SPECTRE while pointing out everyone else's "low feats" and completely ignoring context.

Spectre.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Odin sucks. How could he stalemate Loki for a second? The feat where Spectre did that one thing with pure power shows his TP is crazily above Odin/Galactus. And Superman is way more powerful!!! Which means Superman >>> Spectre >>> Odin/Galactus. Haters beware.

Although I find it funny that judging from the quotes I read anyway, that Abhi is defending SPECTRE while pointing out everyone else's "low feats" and completely ignoring context.

Spectre. He never ignores the context of his own scans. Ever.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Odin sucks. How could he stalemate Loki for a second? The feat where Spectre did that one thing with pure power shows his TP is crazily above Odin/Galactus. And Superman is way more powerful!!! Which means Superman >>> Spectre >>> Odin/Galactus. Haters beware.

Although I find it funny that judging from the quotes I read anyway, that Abhi is defending SPECTRE while pointing out everyone else's "low feats" and completely ignoring context.

Spectre.

Yea. Ironic since Spectre in particular has had so many low showings.

I don't know how this conversation started but using him as some kind of measuring stick? That is in itself an act of futility and just a waste of time.

Odin alone can go from dismissing him to getting beat up.

lol Spectre.

LOL @ Odin dismissing Spectre. Yeah, you've heard it first. Even the weakest version of Spectre in Crispus Allen would curbstomp Odin.

Also @ comparing psi-resistance to being more powerful. WM Thor>>>>>>>Thanos in power then, right bran? Oh I forgot, you have me on ignore but taking potshots at me from there. Fun, isn't it?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
lol Spectre.
Better yet, Odin can dismiss Spectre because "LOL universal energies" but random new gods creating universes on panel or Darkseid creating several realities don't mean anything because "LOL, SUPERMAN".

Originally posted by abhilegend
Better yet, Odin can dismiss Spectre because "LOL universal energies" but random new gods creating universes on panel or Darkseid creating several realities don't mean anything because "LOL, SUPERMAN".

WTF are you talking about?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
WTF are you talking about?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yea. Ironic since Spectre in particular has had so many low showings.

I don't know how this conversation started but using him as some kind of measuring stick? That is in itself an act of futility and just a waste of time.

Odin alone can go from dismissing him to getting beat up. Because Superman resisted something that conquered Spectre. So therefore Spectre has to be put into the light that he is way above Galactus/Odin in TP and in power, so you can roundabout say that Superman is also more powerful in TP. Even though we forgot to use Spectre's TP feats to come to such a conclusion.

But yeah... MM you know
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114474/3075515-spec1.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114474/3075513-spec2.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114474/3075514-spec3.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/api/image/2647101-1.png
http://static.comicvine.com/api/image/2647102-2.png

Though that last one ended "well" for the JLA I guess...

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
WTF are you talking about? Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yea. Ironic since Spectre in particular has had so many low showings.

I don't know how this conversation started but using him as some kind of measuring stick? That is in itself an act of futility and just a waste of time.

Odin alone can go from dismissing him to getting beat up.

Dismissing spectre in all his glory.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
WTF are you talking about?

His love of Superman.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Because Superman resisted something that conquered Spectre. So therefore Spectre has to be put into the light that he is way above Galactus/Odin in TP and in power, so you can roundabout say that Superman is also more powerful in TP. Even though we forgot to use Spectre's TP feats to come to such a conclusion.

But yeah... MM you know
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114474/3075515-spec1.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114474/3075513-spec2.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114474/3075514-spec3.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/api/image/2647101-1.png
http://static.comicvine.com/api/image/2647102-2.png

Though that last one ended "well" for the JLA I guess...

Originally posted by abhilegend
Can you post those scans?

Here's the showing from JLA #47:

http://i.imgur.com/NgyCjb5.jpg

And the one from All-Star Squadron #34:

http://i.imgur.com/cs7AWjE.jpg?1

in Issue #33, the voice mentions that the Spectre's aura is powerful enough to upset the multiversal cosmic balance:

http://i.imgur.com/KHKK5Xb.jpg?1

Originally posted by beatboks
The All Star Squadron one wasn't so much holding two universes apart as two Earths. Spectre had sensed the presence of Earth X because uncle Sam opened a vortex to it taking heroes (like Hourman and red bee from memory) to help fight the axis. Once spectre pierced the veil his aura of power made each earth feel it's natural position to be in the place of the other. Both Earth x and Earth 2 were trying to occupy the same place in time/space as I recall.

When you're holding the barriers between the 2 universes apart, you're holding the entire two universes apart.

^ I was just going to post that. It should be noted that Spectre was amped by Fate when he preformed that feat.

Originally posted by operator616
Here's the showing from JLA #47:

http://i.imgur.com/NgyCjb5.jpg

And the one from All-Star Squadron #34:

http://i.imgur.com/cs7AWjE.jpg?1

in Issue #33, the voice mentions that the Spectre's aura is powerful enough to upset the multiversal cosmic balance:

http://i.imgur.com/KHKK5Xb.jpg?1



When you're holding the barriers between the 2 universes apart, you're holding the entire two universes apart.
Thanks. That means Spectre has several multi-universal feats? Like this?

Originally posted by operator616
@Abhilegend:

Retcon of Spectre's/Eclipso's origins (Spectre v3 #14):

http://i.imgur.com/uCkixtD.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bS5Q8Sz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WvkiGQ2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7AuBkMC.jpg

Shown on panel how God created the Spectre (spectre v3 #0):

http://i.imgur.com/BAUHjoq.jpg


-----

regarding the feats i mentioned:

Spectre v1 #4:

summons the energies of a HUNDRED non-universes:

http://i.imgur.com/GoiVJiV.jpg?1


keep in mind that he did that at half power, since he separated himself into 2 halves in that issue:

http://i.imgur.com/Z4cfLWe.jpg?1

Showcase #61:

Grows as large as the universe, and goes to the beginning of creation (the big bang):

http://i.imgur.com/PlWYZPQ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vTM80Op.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/U8ABc5C.jpg

he later travels to the big bang again to kill the multi-universal threat Shathan, but to post 1 scan of his fight with Shathan in which his Galaxy-sized punch traveling hundreds of billions light years across space-time

http://i.imgur.com/zQJ0FVs.jpg


spectre's most impressive showing (imo)

now we know about spectre's battle against the GEB was in swamp thing v2 #50 which was........revealed to be only a small part of himself in the JSA special, same issue where another part of himself was revealed to be destroying the universe:

http://i.imgur.com/HHsLya6.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/GXeksNd.jpg?1

Writer commentary from spectre v2 #2 says that the reason he failed to stop the spiritual crisis (GEB affair) was because most of his being was centered in the JSA special (event), in which his essence was destroying the universe:

http://i.imgur.com/hcNGTYj.jpg?1

Same thing said in his personal who's who bio:

http://i.imgur.com/KhYVi7w.jpg?1


.....And what's even more impressive about this feat is that he did that unconsciously while he was in his comatose WEAK state after the Crisis. The writer explains that in the last pages of the JSA special:

http://i.imgur.com/OHcwCAe.jpg?2

And despite all this, a yea later in Spectre v2 #1, it was stated that his power was never used to its full potential:

http://i.imgur.com/o1DuAXI.jpg?1


In short, a small part of him was battling the great evil beast , his other part was (unconsciously) destroying creation. And all that was done while weakened and wasn't his full potential.

This is his most impressive showing imo, there are more feats but im not going to turn this into a spectre respect thread.

I'm sure Odin and Galactus can easily replicate such feats. Easily. What are spectre's Best TP feats BTW?

Wait, in either of those instances were the Earths actually stated to be representing Universes?

Not saying he couldn't since Hyperion has... but those seem like planets judging purely by those scans.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thanks. That means Spectre has several multi-universal feats? Like this?



I'm sure Odin and Galactus can easily replicate such feats. Easily.


Originally posted by abhilegend
I was saying that these random power level feats are meaningless when character fights.

Originally posted by quanchi112




Pick and choose.

lol

@Abhi: These are just the pre crisis (or rather pre-warth of God) Spectre showings. There are impressive post crisis ones.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Wait, in either of those instances were the Earths actually stated to be representing Universes?

Not saying he couldn't since Hyperion has... but those seem like planets judging purely by those scans.

No. Not that i recall of.

Originally posted by operator616
@Abhi: These are just the pre crisis (or rather pre-warth of God) showings. There are impressive post crisis ones.



No. Not that i recall of.

Where do you rank Shathan? In the cosmic hierarchy.

Originally posted by carver9


Pick and choose. He has many faces.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Where do you rank Shathan? In the cosmic hierarchy.

Shathan was responsible for Spectre's absence over 2 decades (though Golden Age spectre isn't as powerful as his later incarnations) as i recall. He had a universal battle with him as well. Though post crisis, he didn't have those kind of showings.

I can post all the scans later if you want. Have to go now.

Originally posted by operator616
@Abhi: These are just the pre crisis (or rather pre-warth of God) Spectre showings. There are impressive post crisis ones.



No. Not that i recall of.
What would be spectre's best feats be post crisis? TP wise and power wise?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Wait, in either of those instances were the Earths actually stated to be representing Universes?

Not saying he couldn't since Hyperion has... but those seem like planets judging purely by those scans. He was amped by Fate regardless, so I'm not sure why it's relevant either way..?

Thanks for the last few posts guys. It's always good to be reminded of how (un)trustworthy certain posters claims are.

Originally posted by Galan007
He was amped by Fate regardless, so I'm not sure why it's relevant either way..? Because it's supposed to put his feats completely out of the realm of possibility for beings like Galactus/Odin.
Though I could see them hold apart planets tbh, unamped by Fate though.

Honestly, now that I think about it, his only real feats that they couldn't accomplish is the Anti-Monitor fight, and Spectre was severely amped there. And probably the Parallax fight. Though I could be overlooking things.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


Thanks for the last few posts guys. It's always good to be reminded of how (un)trustworthy certain posters claims are.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Because it's supposed to put his feats completely out of the realm of possibility for beings like Galactus/Odin.
Though I could see them hold apart planets tbh, unamped by Fate though.

Honestly, now that I think about it, his only real feats that they couldn't accomplish is the Anti-Monitor fight, and Spectre was severely amped there. And probably the Parallax fight. Though I could be overlooking things. He held apart 2 actual/confirmed universes without an amp during JLA/Avengers, if that counts.

Still don't see the point of posting that pre-crisis scene, though. Amped characters=/=standard characters. /shrug

Based off the shit Odin's done - to say nothing of Galactus - I don't see how some of those feats are clearly well above what either of them could possibly do. *shrug*

Originally posted by Galan007
He held apart 2 actual/confirmed universes without an amp during JLA/Avengers, if that counts.


So he's Hyperion level?

ha-som

Originally posted by Galan007
He held apart 2 actual/confirmed universes without an amp during JLA/Avengers, if that counts.

Still don't see the point of posting that pre-crisis scene, though. Amped characters=/=standard characters. /shrug

Yeah, crossover and all that though. I was actually thinking that that was the reference in the Golgo thread until I read the scan.
Still, Galactus destroyed something holding Infinity/Eternity together (and Eternity catatonic), so that's somewhere along those lines. Somewhere.

Because Superman. And the new knowledge brought forth by Operator exposed that.

Originally posted by Galan007
He held apart 2 actual/confirmed universes without an amp during JLA/Avengers, if that counts.

Still don't see the point of posting that pre-crisis scene, though. Amped characters=/=standard characters. /shrug
But no amp was mentioned when the monitors recalled the event again in post crisis continuity./shrug

Also @ Rage chiming in here saying who is trustworthy or non-trustworthy here.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Based off the shit Odin's done - to say nothing of Galactus - I don't see how some of those feats are clearly well above what either of them could possibly do. *shrug*
Like?

Originally posted by abhilegend
But no amp was mentioned when the monitors recalled the event again in post crisis continuity./shrug

Also @ Rage chiming in here saying who is trustworthy or non-trustworthy here. So the amp needs to be referenced every time. Amped is off the table and you were called on it.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Yeah, crossover and all that though. I was actually thinking that that was the reference in the Golgo thread until I read the scan.
Still, Galactus destroyed something holding Infinity/Eternity together (and Eternity catatonic), so that's somewhere along those lines. Somewhere.

Because Superman. And the new knowledge brought forth by Operator exposed that. Yeah. The Parallax battle and big bang thing(via overloading Damage) in Zero Hour are probably among Spectre's best unamped feats... In post-crisis continuity, at least.

I shouldn't be surprised.

Originally posted by abhilegend
But no amp was mentioned when the monitors recalled the event again in post crisis continuity./shrug Those post-crisis scans you posted were just a summary of the event, and certainly didn't retcon anything at all. In the original issues, it was made very clear that Spectre needed Fate's help(ie. a magical boost) to keep those earths apart:
http://imgur.com/zs8Q9fo
http://imgur.com/spgRKsc

Originally posted by Galan007
Those post-crisis scans you posted were just a summary of the event, and certainly didn't retcon anything at all. In the original issues, it was made very clear that Spectre needed Fate's help(ie. a magical boost) to keep those earths apart:
http://imgur.com/zs8Q9fo
http://imgur.com/spgRKsc
But that's just it, the summaries of the pre-crisis stories weren't totally accurate with pre-crisis stories after infinite crisis. That's why pre-crisis superman's feats and pre-crisis green lantern's feats can't be applied to post-crisis superman and post crisis GL even though they recall the same events. If the writer wanted the readers to know that spectre needed an amp he would've just added that bit, just IMO though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
But that's just it, the summaries of the pre-crisis stories weren't totally accurate with pre-crisis stories after infinite crisis. That's why pre-crisis superman's feats and pre-crisis green lantern's feats can't be applied to post-crisis superman and post crisis GL even though they recall the same events. If the writer wanted the readers to know that spectre needed an amp he would've just added that bit, just IMO though. People don't read it for battle board reasons. This is just awful. To summarize a story you don't need every minute detail.

Remember when Specter wasn't mentioned in the retelling of the Big Bang scene during Zero Hour? Apparently that was evidence his participation wasn't noteworthy either.

So much mental gymnastics.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Remember when Specter wasn't mentioned in the retelling of the Big Bang scene during Zero Hour? Apparently that was evidence his participation wasn't noteworthy either.

So much mental gymnastics. YES!!! Yes!!!!
Yes!!!!

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Remember when Specter wasn't mentioned in the retelling of the Big Bang scene during Zero Hour? Apparently that was evidence his participation wasn't noteworthy either.

So much mental gymnastics.

It's abhi, did you really expect him to be honest?

X Mindrapes them, Hulk Resists the most.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Remember when Specter wasn't mentioned in the retelling of the Big Bang scene during Zero Hour? Apparently that was evidence his participation wasn't noteworthy either.

So much mental gymnastics.
And this is the same logic here bro. The amp wasn't mentioned, so it wasn't that big of a factor. You seriously need to refine your reading comprehension. Its like brucey level right now.


Seriously what is wrong with you?

Originally posted by Silent Master
It's abhi, did you really expect him to be honest?
And what's dishonest about that claim snake-eyes? That in both cases the not mentioned character or amp wasn't that big of a factor?

Originally posted by quanchi112
YES!!! Yes!!!!
Yes!!!!

Daniel Bryan?

Anyway, back on topic. Charles mindrapes everybody at their average depictions.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Daniel Bryan?
John Cena, is that you hogging the spotlight?

Originally posted by abhilegend
John Cena, is that you hogging the spotlight?

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-UAeUpOEbLok/UsGuJX7vedI/AAAAAAAA8Uw/Cu2faFrDhQw/w480-h500-k/WWEKOF_JohnCena.jpg

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-UAeUpOEbLok/UsGuJX7vedI/AAAAAAAA8Uw/Cu2faFrDhQw/w480-h500-k/WWEKOF_JohnCena.jpg


LMAO. Cena is such an attention whore.

Personally, I think the fact that he wears shirts that his haters are gonna buy is phucking hilarious. I don't care too much for him in the ring, but outside of it, he's a really stand up guy and has a good sense of humor.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Personally, I think the fact that he wears shirts that his haters are gonna buy is phucking hilarious. I don't care too much for him in the ring, but outside of it, he's a really stand up guy and has a good sense of humor.
He is still an attention whore though. He is a genuinely a good guy though.

Originally posted by operator616
Here's the showing from JLA #47:

http://i.imgur.com/NgyCjb5.jpg

And the one from All-Star Squadron #34:

http://i.imgur.com/cs7AWjE.jpg?1

in Issue #33, the voice mentions that the Spectre's aura is powerful enough to upset the multiversal cosmic balance:

http://i.imgur.com/KHKK5Xb.jpg?1



When you're holding the barriers between the 2 universes apart, you're holding the entire two universes apart.

But he wasn't. As your own scan shows. Is aid is as two earths in the space "between universes"

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was Emperor Joker. You seriously suck at this.

You didn't point out which arc you were referring to. That's on you, not me.
Originally posted by abhilegend

That's as much relevant as Dr. Strange KTFO Galactus with some images or Silver Surfer fooling Galctus with some illusions. Hal was a total n00b at that point.

A severely weakened, near-dead Galactus. And it's the only lone outlier of a lower-level hero actually beating Galactus.
Originally posted by abhilegend

Moondragon was without mind gem and she was just there to create a link for Thanos to travel to astral zone. Thanos nearly overwhelmed him with his tentacles there before Galactus made his heroic NOOOOOO at the prospect of rape.

http://i.imgur.com/PlVbL4e.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dn7lEkm.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WbA0P5S.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/mLJdySX.jpg

"Seduce and Violate me."



Tentacle rape anybody?

Thanos#3. I know that issue. Where is it mentioned anywhere in that comic that she didn't possess the gem? Not saying she did, but unless you produce hard proof of the absence of the gem, I am going to have to defer to her default state; that is MD w/ MG.

Still trying to make it out to be some sort of a low showing? Even though in your own scans Galactus easily proceeds to swat Thanos aside like a gnat? You've fallen even lower than you already were.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So? It still doesn't means that Other didn't mindrape and left him for dead like a two bit whore.

I am talking about Fantastic Four 220 where Ego made him run away with his tail between his legs.

And which was unable to harm Juggernaut and was only equal to Surfer's portion of power cosmic and Surtur and Ymir shrugged off it too. Way to go Galactus.

LOLWUT? Galactus stalemated Mephisto and was only able to fend him off when he threatened to devour his realm. LOL @ nigh omnipotent though. Both Thor and Surfer have beat the shit out of him in his own realm.

That's why Surfer has like half a dozen stalemates with him?

Which was what level actually? He has. When Loki took control of Odin's body for example, he briefly stalemated Odin.

The Other and Scrier were struggling to fend off against Galactus in a much more recent encounter.

Hungry. And they were evenly matched iirc.

It pushed him back despite his forward momentum enchantment and the mystical forcefield. It bfred both Ymir and Surtur. Galactus was already weakened to severe extremes when the gb hit him the first time. Galactus also withstood a godblast in recent times. This is the same as your the Other con; ignoring current feats in favor of decades old comics.

That is exactly what I am referring to, you dunce. A hungry Galactus stalemate him, and then threatened to eat his entire realm, forcing him to relent. Please point out a single instance of them doing so to a full-powered Mephisto in his realm which didn't involve the classic Mephisto"I'll do anything to corrupt them" context. Oh right, you can't, seeing how you're the same fellow who lies, lowballs, twists and distorts things along with ignoring context to make DC characters look overtly superior to Marvel characters. Yes, he is supposed to nigh-omnipotent in his own realm, as is the case with most Marvel Hell-Lords.

Again, point out one single non-context ridden instance of the Surfer actually stalemating him. Because I have quite a few instances of Meph tooling the Surfer like an ant when they are in his own realm.

Point it out then. Let's sit back and see how much substance you can actually add to your silly lowballing attempts towards Odin and Galactus.
Originally posted by abhilegend

I have.

No, you haven't. Not a single one so far.
Originally posted by abhilegend

No.

Yes.
Originally posted by abhilegend

Haha, cute but no cigar for you. Why is it hyperbole? We saw the new gods creating universes. No shit bro. Morrison retconned all the previous showings. Of course there is. The bubbles there? They are actual universes as Orion tells Superman here.

http://i.imgur.com/s9SAVgh.jpg

Learn and weep.

Because there is not a single universe being made shown in any of the scans you have so far posted, including this one of Orion as well, which doesn't even indicate that an average run of the mill new god is capable of constructing universes on the fly. Sorry, but if you think that such colorful hyperbole(even if written by Morrison) actually counts as a solid feat, then you're deluding yourself.
Originally posted by abhilegend
To someone as ignorant you. Perhaps true.

Yes, sure I am the ignorant one. Even though I have actual feats of characters having a real Creation feat under their belt as opposed to your hyperbole-ridden scans which are worth sh1t in a forum debate.
Originally posted by abhilegend

And creating characters like Captain marvel, superman and wonder woman only for them to die? We saw Omega Sanction making Batman go through torment, its not a mindrape. Its actually creating new realities. LOL, pot, Kettle.

Do you honestly think that creating high heralds off the fly is really a feat beyond what either Odin or Galactus could achieve? If you do, then I will weep, but for you. The depths to which you have sunk to lowball a Marvel character and highball a DC character are staggering. Prove that it's actually creating new realities, even though nowhere in your scans is it mentioned so. Of course I know you can't, since you have a mental defect when it comes to comprehending comic book scans, but it'll still be fun to watch you try(I know I can be a dick to the mentally challenged sometimes, but you're surprisingly capable of giving as good as you get, so let's get it on anyways).
Originally posted by abhilegend

His physical form is nothing to him. Its just ectoplasm.

Punch shattered still. Horrible.
Originally posted by abhilegend

And we take the most recent material which had Spectre making Mxy powerless and killing people like Nabu.

And in the most recent showings Odin bfred energies which could have burnt the Marvelverse to ashes, while Galactus brought the multiverse to its breaking point during his 3-way dance with Scirer/The Other. Galactus also pretty much blew up the Ultimateverse(which has been implied to be a multiverse of its own in at least one recent instance that I recall of).
Originally posted by abhilegend

its better than your fanfiction characters.

Doesn't means that they can't be used to gauge the respective power level of characters.

Sorry kiddo, Superman still beat the shit out of Thor. A mindcontrolled superman getting killed by a magical sword doesn't mean anything.

So Lucifer, Franklin Richards, Caitlin Fairchild, HoM Wanda and the Celestials are fanfic characters made up by me? Guess I have a pretty creative mind then.

It absolutely does. Forum rules explicitly ban the usage of cross-overs as any sort of proof to how characters from different companies would perform against each other. I am almost tempted to hit the report button for this, but I'll hold my hand for now.

Not canon per forum rules. I am just using your logic to showcase how Superman is a He-Man level character now. How does it feel to use a double-edged sword?
Originally posted by abhilegend

That's why Doom owned him with a CCU. That's why Thanos became universal with CCU and Magus obliterated Galactus with a fraction of power from 5 CCUs. Sure thing brah. Means what exactly? IG is still far above Galactus and you yourself said that the recent materials take precedent over older materials. Good argument there ZopZop.
A hungry Galactus, and Doom was using it in conjunction with other artifacts as well. Those 5 CCUs combined were close to the power of the Infinity Gems, and Galactus still managed to reform from that attack. Yes, I did, and my point is validated. The IG is indeed above the likes of cosmic beings like Galactus and the Celestials, but the difference is not so palpable that they're gnats compared to it. That was the classic IG. Not current. You're a walking bag of ironies, telling me that I argue like zopzop while making non-sequiters and suffering from a serious case of reading comprehension fail.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And I didn't use it as an argument. I just used it as a measure to far Charles can be stroked by writers. Anyway this is way off topic as it is. If you want the last word, you can take it now.
You kept bringing it up despite it being pointed out to you multiple times before that it was pointless to refer to it, since X has been beaten down like a bug everytime he tried his mind tricks on G.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He never ignores the context of his own scans. Ever.


Unless it's a scan from a Marvel comic issue, lol.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Non Canon.
So cross-overs have greater substance than What Ifs when it comes to canonicity iyo?

Originally posted by abhilegend
But that's just it, the summaries of the pre-crisis stories weren't totally accurate with pre-crisis stories after infinite crisis. That's why pre-crisis superman's feats and pre-crisis green lantern's feats can't be applied to post-crisis superman and post crisis GL even though they recall the same events. If the writer wanted the readers to know that spectre needed an amp he would've just added that bit, just IMO though. Disagree completely. The scene you posted was a single page long and merely depicted the crescendo of the event. Summaries shouldn't be expected to contain every single detail of the main story-- otherwise they wouldn't be summaries at all.

The post-crisis summary also didn't reference Anti-Matter Man owning Spectre immediately before he began holding the earths at bay:
http://imgur.com/XkRnUm9
http://imgur.com/AIr6EL8
http://imgur.com/cA12XwH
...Does that mean Spectre's trouncing is non-canon? Absolutely not.

Originally posted by Galan007
Disagree completely. The scene you posted was a single page long and merely depicted the crescendo of the event. Summaries shouldn't be expected to contain every single detail of the main story-- otherwise they wouldn't be summaries at all.

The post-crisis summary also didn't reference Anti-Matter Man owning Spectre immediately before he began holding the earths at bay:
http://imgur.com/XkRnUm9
http://imgur.com/AIr6EL8
http://imgur.com/cA12XwH
...Does that mean Spectre's trouncing is non-canon? Absolutely not.



those scans are f'n hilarious!! spectre looked just like hyperion holding those earths apart. good stuff my friend.

Lol, yeah. This panel in particular could likely induce a laugh in pretty much anyone:
http://i.imgur.com/3ADHI6S.jpg

Originally posted by Epicurus
You didn't point out which arc you were referring to. That's on you, not me.

A severely weakened, near-dead Galactus. And it's the only lone outlier of a lower-level hero actually beating Galactus.

Thanos#3. I know that issue. Where is it mentioned anywhere in that comic that she didn't possess the gem? Not saying she did, but unless you produce hard proof of the absence of the gem, I am going to have to defer to her default state; that is MD w/ MG.

Still trying to make it out to be some sort of a low showing? Even though in your own scans Galactus easily proceeds to swat Thanos aside like a gnat? You've fallen even lower than you already were.

The Other and Scrier were struggling to fend off against Galactus in a much more recent encounter.

Hungry. And they were evenly matched iirc.

It pushed him back despite his forward momentum enchantment and the mystical forcefield. It bfred both Ymir and Surtur. Galactus was already weakened to severe extremes when the gb hit him the first time. Galactus also withstood a godblast in recent times. This is the same as your the Other con; ignoring current feats in favor of decades old comics.

That is exactly what I am referring to, you dunce. A hungry Galactus stalemate him, and then threatened to eat his entire realm, forcing him to relent. Please point out a single instance of them doing so to a full-powered Mephisto in his realm which didn't involve the classic Mephisto"I'll do anything to corrupt them" context. Oh right, you can't, seeing how you're the same fellow who lies, lowballs, twists and distorts things along with ignoring context to make DC characters look overtly superior to Marvel characters. Yes, he is supposed to nigh-omnipotent in his own realm, as is the case with most Marvel Hell-Lords.

Again, point out one single non-context ridden instance of the Surfer actually stalemating him. Because I have quite a few instances of Meph tooling the Surfer like an ant when they are in his own realm.

Point it out then. Let's sit back and see how much substance you can actually add to your silly lowballing attempts towards Odin and Galactus.

No, you haven't. Not a single one so far.

Yes.

Because there is not a single universe being made shown in any of the scans you have so far posted, including this one of Orion as well, which doesn't even indicate that an average run of the mill new god is capable of constructing universes on the fly. Sorry, but if you think that such colorful hyperbole(even if written by Morrison) actually counts as a solid feat, then you're deluding yourself.

Yes, sure I am the ignorant one. Even though I have actual feats of characters having a real Creation feat under their belt as opposed to your hyperbole-ridden scans which are worth sh1t in a forum debate.

Do you honestly think that creating high heralds off the fly is really a feat beyond what either Odin or Galactus could achieve? If you do, then I will weep, but for you. The depths to which you have sunk to lowball a Marvel character and highball a DC character are staggering. Prove that it's actually creating new realities, even though nowhere in your scans is it mentioned so. Of course I know you can't, since you have a mental defect when it comes to comprehending comic book scans, but it'll still be fun to watch you try(I know I can be a dick to the mentally challenged sometimes, but you're surprisingly capable of giving as good as you get, so let's get it on anyways).

Punch shattered still. Horrible.

And in the most recent showings Odin bfred energies which could have burnt the Marvelverse to ashes, while Galactus brought the multiverse to its breaking point during his 3-way dance with Scirer/The Other. Galactus also pretty much blew up the Ultimateverse(which has been implied to be a multiverse of its own in at least one recent instance that I recall of).

So Lucifer, Franklin Richards, Caitlin Fairchild, HoM Wanda and the Celestials are fanfic characters made up by me? Guess I have a pretty creative mind then.

It absolutely does. Forum rules explicitly ban the usage of cross-overs as any sort of proof to how characters from different companies would perform against each other. I am almost tempted to hit the report button for this, but I'll hold my hand for now.

Not canon per forum rules. I am just using your logic to showcase how Superman is a He-Man level character now. How does it feel to use a double-edged sword?

A hungry Galactus, and Doom was using it in conjunction with other artifacts as well. Those 5 CCUs combined were close to the power of the Infinity Gems, and Galactus still managed to reform from that attack. Yes, I did, and my point is validated. The IG is indeed above the likes of cosmic beings like Galactus and the Celestials, but the difference is not so palpable that they're gnats compared to it. That was the classic IG. Not current. You're a walking bag of ironies, telling me that I argue like zopzop while making non-sequiters and suffering from a serious case of reading comprehension fail.

You kept bringing it up despite it being pointed out to you multiple times before that it was pointless to refer to it, since X has been beaten down like a bug everytime he tried his mind tricks on G.
Got the last word? Happy? I can create a spectre vs Odin/Galactus thread if you want to vent your frustrations more.Originally posted by Galan007
Disagree completely. The scene you posted was a single page long and merely depicted the crescendo of the event. Summaries shouldn't be expected to contain every single detail of the main story-- otherwise they wouldn't be summaries at all.

The post-crisis summary also didn't reference Anti-Matter Man owning Spectre immediately before he began holding the earths at bay:
http://imgur.com/XkRnUm9
http://imgur.com/AIr6EL8
http://imgur.com/cA12XwH
...Does that mean Spectre's trouncing is non-canon? Absolutely not.
I didn't mean that the trouncing of Spectre by Anti-matter man is non-canon. Anyway spectre was weakened by Anti-matter man at that point apparently and that's why he called Dr. Fate, at least according to almighty wikipedia.



I've not read the series in a long time so don't know how true that is. Can you confirm or deny that?


It was never suggested that Spectre had an amp when he held off the earths post-crisis though, it could've been an editorial mistake or something but it wasn't mentioned. Spectre's amp in COIE was noted BTW. Anyway agree to disagree.Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, yeah. This panel in particular could likely induce a laugh in pretty much anyone:
http://i.imgur.com/3ADHI6S.jpg

Yeah, that's ****ing hilarious.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Got the last word? Happy? I can create a spectre vs Odin/Galactus thread if you want to vent your frustrations more.
Seeing how you still replied to my post anyways, that is not giving someone the last word. Though I don't particularly care about having the last word, but when you promise it to someone then it is always wise not to follow up with another post to very same reply that other person gave you in the previous exchange.

Anyways, moving on to the thread topic; a high-end Xavier could pretty much waste everyone on this list. Average Xavier might have problems with the likes of Surfer/Superman/Thor. Wolverine gets turned to psionic sushi in all scenarios possible though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I've not read the series in a long time so don't know how true that is. Can you confirm or deny that? Check out the first scan I posted. AMM was able to emit some sort of visible glow that weakened Spectre-- but once that glow was gone, no narration alluded to Spectre still being progressively weakened by AMM's presence. He seemed to have only been weakened upon that very first/initial contact.

My only issue with using the scene is that we know Fate amped Spectre substantially-- I mean, even Spectre himself credited Fate's amp as the main reason how he was able to hold the earths apart for so long:
http://imgur.com/8aut1g8

...Thus that showing really can't be used as a gauge for a standard/un-amped Spectre.

Originally posted by Galan007
Check out the first scan I posted. AMM was able to emit some sort of visible glow that weakened Spectre-- but once that glow was gone, no narration alluded to Spectre still being progressively weakened by AMM's presence. He seemed to have only been weakened upon that very first/initial contact.

My only issue with using the scene is that we know Fate amped Spectre substantially-- I mean, even Spectre himself credited Fate's amp as the main reason how he was able to hold the earths apart for so long:
http://imgur.com/8aut1g8

...Thus that showing really can't be used as a gauge for a standard/un-amped Spectre. Ok. That's fine with me. Spectre did it against Tornado Tyrant though, didn't he?Originally posted by Epicurus
Seeing how you still replied to my post anyways, that is not giving someone the last word. Though I don't particularly care about having the last word, but when you promise it to someone then it is always wise not to follow up with another post to very same reply that other person gave you in the previous exchange.

Anyways, moving on to the thread topic; a high-end Xavier could pretty much waste everyone on this list. Average Xavier might have problems with the likes of Surfer/Superman/Thor. Wolverine gets turned to psionic sushi in all scenarios possible though.
Oh, did I broke the sacred internet law? My bad.

Agree with Wolverine though.