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I was over at my friends house tonight and we had a big long talk about the middle class trying to work there way up through investments such as real estate.

With the new bank and lending laws its next to impossible for a middle class worker to buy a second home and fix it up and rent it out.

The middle class is shrinking, the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting more poor. Yet the rich and poor pay less taxes over all then the middle class of america who are taxed the most.

With all these new lending laws, taxes, Obamacare. The middle class is shrinking even more. Barley any of this is being reported on in the new, Fox preaches fear, CNN preaches government worship

And the middle class workers, welders, iron workers, military, teachers, fireman, police officers, small business owners, retail workers, waitresses, waiters, sales and marketing, accountants are being left out to dry to continue to work this system in which is doomed to fail

What is going to happen when there is no money left to be made, its harder and harder to get a good paying job, people coming out of school with education degrees to teach can't find jobs to teach kids growing up, teachers are being cut, fireman and police officers are being cut, even doctors and lawyers are going out of business..

Everyone is being screwed except the people enacting these laws, manufacturing has left California, we make no electronics anymore, even Apple has sold out to China..and its only getting worse.

Im afraid for my nation

How do we fix this world

how can mirrors be real if our eyes arent real

America sucks.

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Funny how someone always predict the end of the world is lurking just around the corner. Humanity have done that through countless ages and still here we are.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Funny how someone always predict the end of the world is lurking just around the corner. Humanity have done that through countless ages and still here we are.

Where is Galactus when we need him!!!

Wreck this planet lets start over!

No one in politics is on the side of the middle class.

The only thing I ever have to say to these kinds of questions is what Martin Luther King, Jr. said. Which is "We have to fix ourselves before we attempt to fix others."

But I think it would help if everyone with a livable income would realize what dadudemon mentioned - you have to live within your means, you can be happy that way. I get SSI, so I get around $764 a month. Taking out rent, groceries or other products that need to be bought, I still have enough for - like a chai tea every other week or so, and if I want to get something big I have to save.

But I'm a happy person. I love my life, and I like myself. With more money, sure, I could afford to take people out to eat more than once a month, but as long as those first two things are true, all the rest is just icing on the cake.

Originally posted by siriuswriter
The only thing I ever have to say to these kinds of questions is what Martin Luther King, Jr. said. Which is "We have to fix ourselves before we attempt to fix others."


I don't know the context of that, but I feel like we can do both concurrently. Both seem like lifetime endeavors.

Get rid of "reality" shows.

Originally posted by Mindship
Get rid of "reality" shows.

YES! That would be a great start.

Originally posted by Mindship
Get rid of "reality" shows. Originally posted by Shakyamunison
YES! That would be a great start.

Sounds like misplaced priorities.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Sounds like misplaced priorities. Sounds like someone is thinking of auditioning for one. "Survivor," perhaps, the evil progenitor of it all?

Reality tv does make us worse people, but there are better measures to fix ourselves. Living within our means is a big deal. A lot of us here at KMC are of the generation that lived large in the 80s or our parents did, and thus we've inherited both bad spending/saving habits and debt. Even worse are those on fixed income, since the cost of living goes up quicker than the cost of living adjustments do.

Originally posted by siriuswriter
The only thing I ever have to say to these kinds of questions is what Martin Luther King, Jr. said. Which is "We have to fix ourselves before we attempt to fix others."

But I think it would help if everyone with a livable income would realize what dadudemon mentioned - you have to live within your means, you can be happy that way. I get SSI, so I get around $764 a month. Taking out rent, groceries or other products that need to be bought, I still have enough for - like a chai tea every other week or so, and if I want to get something big I have to save.

But I'm a happy person. I love my life, and I like myself. With more money, sure, I could afford to take people out to eat more than once a month, but as long as those first two things are true, all the rest is just icing on the cake.

Sometimes we forget that we don't need much to be happy in life, but at the same time it helps to have some spending cash. I feel best when I can get gifts for friends, or take them out to eat, or help them out in need. But that's sometimes more for my benefit too, since I know that they are having a hard time and whatever I can do to alleviate that is appreciated.

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@dadudeman, I'm not disagreeing with your statements really, but about the idea of teachers and nurses being in demand, that's rather misleading. With regards to the former, Science and Math teachers are in demand, but some other teachers are not except in areas with high turnover or far-flung outposts. It's a lot of work for median pay really. And even still, some of the larger urban areas are suffering. There was an article in the paper just this past month about Philadelphia area schools who have 30+ students to a teacher because of layoffs that occurred during the economic crapfest of '08, and they still haven't recovered from the impact.

Regarding the latter, nursing is ridiculously competitive, to the point where most institutions have as little as ~60 seats per semester four or five times that many eligible applicants. Competition aside, many major hospitals are having hiring freezes due to financial issues with expansion, hiring new medical billing staff for the health care changes, and general bureaucratic sluggishness. While the industry is growing, it's not growing everywhere at the same rate, and there are still a lot of obstacles to overcome such as 1 year minimum experience requirements (which is fun when every place in the city requires the same thing). Areas near me like Charleston, SC, are flooded with nursing students looking for jobs, and CNAs are likewise much in demand, but not easily hired.

Just saying, they may be growing, but neither field is handing out easy jobs. A lot of people in both areas are still struggling to find work because despite growth, there's not enough positions available to accommodate everyone that's eligible to be hired.

On a more serious note, what would really fix America, and everyone else, imho? Mutual respect, honesty and kindness, as well as long-term thinking and planning. Not greed, not "every man for himself," not every quarter having to show a bragging-rights profit. We either come together as a species, or we perish as promising has-beens.

*dismounts soapbox*

After reading this thread, I've come to the conclusion that the best way to fix America is simply to annex Canada.

Let's kill them all, guys. Free syrup and oil for everyone.

But then we couldn't have the record holder for world's largest relatively undefended border, eh?

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
But then we couldn't have the record holder for world's largest relatively undefended border, eh?

We would have to first destroy our economy. Wait?! We are destroying our economy!

But we're growing the economies of our political almost-enemies.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
But we're growing the economies of our political almost-enemies.

Well, that would only be fair!

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
But we're growing the economies of our political almost-enemies.

This

I feel like the most productive discussion that could spring from this topic is an analysis of historical economic cycles and societal fears surrounding them.

Because I'm not saying there isn't something to all of this, but even PhD economists don't really know what will happen, nor agree on what the problem is. More than nearly any other realm of study, a layman's understanding of the issues is inevitably going to be detrimentally flawed (and I include myself in that assessment).

But, outside of that rather fruitless teeth-gnashing, a lot of things are better than they've ever been (I can only speak for America). Crime across the board...historical lows (or nearly so). Life expectancy only recently dipped from its zenith iirc. Access to the internet and information, higher than ever. Etc. etc. Are we going to acknowledge these, or give in to irrational fear?

Social issues are bigger than economic ones, though, at least in terms of political importance. Economics has too many factors, too many of them outside politics even. But nobody truly hates Obamacare alone, for example. Or they wouldn't have if it weren't pitched by Obama. They hate the man and the platform, and this happens to be his big ticket item. It's projected hatred. So figure out how to get people to stop hating over gays and abortion and such, and we can finally have a civil discussion about universal health care. Copy/paste that argument with a number of other issues, and it will work. But try to legislate economic equality and, well, good luck.

Originally posted by Digi
I feel like the most productive discussion that could spring from this topic is an analysis of historical economic cycles and societal fears surrounding them.

Because I'm not saying there isn't something to all of this, but even PhD economists don't really know what will happen, nor agree on what the problem is. More than nearly any other realm of study, a layman's understanding of the issues is inevitably going to be detrimentally flawed (and I include myself in that assessment).

But, outside of that rather fruitless teeth-gnashing, a lot of things are better than they've ever been (I can only speak for America). Crime across the board...historical lows (or nearly so). Life expectancy only recently dipped from its zenith iirc. Access to the internet and information, higher than ever. Etc. etc. Are we going to acknowledge these, or give in to irrational fear?

Social issues are bigger than economic ones, though, at least in terms of political importance. Economics has too many factors, too many of them outside politics even. But nobody truly hates Obamacare alone, for example. Or they wouldn't have if it weren't pitched by Obama. They hate the man and the platform, and this happens to be his big ticket item. It's projected hatred. So figure out how to get people to stop hating over gays and abortion and such, and we can finally have a civil discussion about universal health care. Copy/paste that argument with a number of other issues, and it will work. But try to legislate economic equality and, well, good luck.

Usually 'fighting socialist' health care, gays rights, and abortion are smoke-screens used by political groups to avoid actually doing any real work while they live well above the middle-class paygrade, with minimum work hours, benefits, and retirement secured.

It'd be nice if this country actually saw people as having innate value instead of instrumental value. And we stopped pretending corporations are people, except when it's inconvenient to be.

Originally posted by BackFire
I was going to say something similar to this. Since when is owning two homes a benchmark for the middle class? That's usually upper class kinda shit.

I own two fridge boxes. Are you saying I'm upper class now?

Possibly, are they made of diamonds and spaceman semen?

Yes. And the rugs are cloned sabretooth tiger fur.

I'd say you're upper-middle class, then. Unless you have a homosexual unicorn that pisses out fairies, then you're upper class.

My replicator is broken, and I can't afford to bottle enough poor children's tears to fix it. Alas, that these failing days of my house belong to me.

Kids with $100,000 educations are now working at Starbucks. There is less and less opportunities as the top jobs are getting harder and harder to come by.

Lawyers are out of work, Doctors are out of work, nursing yes its on the rise, but we can all be nurses.

I'm a marine with enough time in service to not worry , I'm lucky to have a job but military is being cut left and right.

It's too late for The United States of Babylon

So much for optimism.

Originally posted by Jynocidus
It's too late for The United States of Babylon

There is still hope!

There's only hope for the Israelites according to the King James version of the Bible

Originally posted by Jynocidus
There's only hope for the Israelites according to the King James version of the Bible

...and we all know how reliable that book is.

This isn't the religious forum.

Why do Exxon Mobile, Shell and all these oil corporations have to pay taxes. We need to be taxing them.

http://obrag.org/?p=65977

Originally posted by Supra
Why do Exxon Mobile, Shell and all these oil corporations have to pay taxes. We need to be taxing them.

http://obrag.org/?p=65977

Don't get mad at the oil companies, congress and the president make the laws. If you think the oil companies are disgusting, then don't buy their product. Walking is good for you.

eliminate all forms of currency and be responsible, that might help Amuricuh

stop classifying people by their race, instead classify them as cooks, engineers, doctors, farmers, etc

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Don't get mad at the oil companies, congress and the president make the laws. If you think the oil companies are disgusting, then don't buy their product. Walking is good for you.

The thing is, the American system allows for companies to spend a lot of money and man-power making their interests heard in Washington, which can eclipse the interests of the rest of us because the average American thinks "if I vote in a Representative, I have had my say" and then they ignore everything else that goes on. It's basically giving up your right to ***** because you picked the guy who was rich and connected enough to get elected, but can still 'relate to you'.

Originally posted by Jynocidus
eliminate all forms of currency and be responsible, that might help Amuricuh

stop classifying people by their race, instead classify them as cooks, engineers, doctors, farmers, etc

Classifying people by profession is not a good idea either in some cases, because necessary professions get maligned and this affects the individuals in those positions, either out of dire straits or because they do not possess the education to achieve more.

Also, while racism definitely exists in America, it'd be foolish to assume it's only a problem here. It's a problem in a lot of places worldwide.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
The thing is, the American system allows for companies to spend a lot of money and man-power making their interests heard in Washington, which can eclipse the interests of the rest of us because the average American thinks "if I vote in a Representative, I have had my say" and then they ignore everything else that goes on. It's basically giving up your right to ***** because you picked the guy who was rich and connected enough to get elected, but can still 'relate to you'.

...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Don't get mad at the oil companies, congress and the president make the laws. If you think the oil companies are disgusting, then don't buy their product. Walking is good for you.

Was I mad? I asked why they don't pay taxes along with all of those other companies.

feed everybody and stop throwing away goods, make education free

Originally posted by Jynocidus
feed everybody and stop throwing away goods, make education free

YES! But we need tax dollars from these companies who actually get tax credits and refunds instead of paying taxes.

http://obrag.org/?p=65977

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
@dadudeman, I'm not disagreeing with your statements really, but about the idea of teachers and nurses being in demand, that's rather misleading. With regards to the former, Science and Math teachers are in demand, but some other teachers are not except in areas with high turnover or far-flung outposts. It's a lot of work for median pay really. And even still, some of the larger urban areas are suffering. There was an article in the paper just this past month about Philadelphia area schools who have 30+ students to a teacher because of layoffs that occurred during the economic crapfest of '08, and they still haven't recovered from the impact.

Regarding the latter, nursing is ridiculously competitive, to the point where most institutions have as little as ~60 seats per semester four or five times that many eligible applicants. Competition aside, many major hospitals are having hiring freezes due to financial issues with expansion, hiring new medical billing staff for the health care changes, and general bureaucratic sluggishness. While the industry is growing, it's not growing everywhere at the same rate, and there are still a lot of obstacles to overcome such as 1 year minimum experience requirements (which is fun when every place in the city requires the same thing). Areas near me like Charleston, SC, are flooded with nursing students looking for jobs, and CNAs are likewise much in demand, but not easily hired.


Nurses are still in demand mad crazy: still massive shortages many places in the US. So much so that they are being heavily recruited even before they finish nursing school (check the link I posted).


"...graduates with advanced nursing degrees are almost guaranteed jobs, experts say.

'We are graduating 240 undergraduates, baccalaureate-prepared nurses and around 50 to 75 with advanced practice degrees this year, and they all have jobs,' says Jeannette Andrews, dean of the College of Nursing at the University of South Carolina."

It may be competitive to get into nursing school but once you're in, you'll most likely make it (assuming you're a decent student).




As far as teachers, some places are doing worse and some are doing better. If it were a case of extremely asymmetric representation, meaning, most places, the student-teacher ratio kept increasing (you want that to decrease) but a small handful of schools were changing the ratio so drastically as to influence the average, significantly, then we would have a problem with the average. That's just not the case. Check out this link:

https://www.google.com/search?q=teachers+are+in+demand+in+the+us&rlz=1C1CHMO_enUS471US471&oq=teachers+are+in+demand+in+the+us&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l3.4667j0j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8


Remember, the point I was refuting is that teachers can't find jobs to teach and that's just not the case: they are in high demand almost all over the US.

I do not disagree that there are still "teacher staffing" issues. < --- the word I used is plural because there are a shit ton of teacher staffing issues that range from competency to pay.


Edit - Also, if you have two fridges, I deem you very privileged (assuming you didn't go into debt for the fridges). Having two would be nice. My grandparents have two fridges and two freezers: they are privileged.

Originally posted by Supra
Was I mad? I asked why they don't pay taxes along with all of those other companies.

Because the government allowed them not too. They are not breaking the law.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Because the government allowed them not too. They are not breaking the law.

Originally posted by Supra
YES! But we need tax dollars from these companies who actually get tax credits and refunds instead of paying taxes.

http://obrag.org/?p=65977

Originally posted by Supra


What?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What?

What?

Originally posted by Supra
What?
I didn't get your point! That's what I meant by WHAT?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I didn't get your point! That's what I meant by WHAT?

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Originally posted by dadudemon
Nurses are still in demand mad crazy: still massive shortages many places in the US. So much so that they are being heavily recruited even before they finish nursing school (check the link I posted).


"...graduates with advanced nursing degrees are almost guaranteed jobs, experts say.

'We are graduating 240 undergraduates, baccalaureate-prepared nurses and around 50 to 75 with advanced practice degrees this year, and they all have jobs,' says Jeannette Andrews, dean of the College of Nursing at the University of South Carolina."

It may be competitive to get into nursing school but once you're in, you'll most likely make it (assuming you're a decent student).




As far as teachers, some places are doing worse and some are doing better. If it were a case of extremely asymmetric representation, meaning, most places, the student-teacher ratio kept increasing (you want that to decrease) but a small handful of schools were changing the ratio so drastically as to influence the average, significantly, then we would have a problem with the average. That's just not the case. Check out this link:

https://www.google.com/search?q=teachers+are+in+demand+in+the+us&rlz=1C1CHMO_enUS471US471&oq=teachers+are+in+demand+in+the+us&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l3.4667j0j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8


Remember, the point I was refuting is that teachers can't find jobs to teach and that's just not the case: they are in high demand almost all over the US.

I do not disagree that there are still "teacher staffing" issues. < --- the word I used is plural because there are a shit ton of teacher staffing issues that range from competency to pay.


Edit - Also, if you have two fridges, I deem you very privileged (assuming you didn't go into debt for the fridges). Having two would be nice. My grandparents have two fridges and two freezers: they are privileged.

I am jealous of your grandparents uber fortune.

Also, it's a heavy commitment to get a Bachelor's in Nursing unless you're able to live with someone and pretty much not work. In fact, the MUSC orientation on Nursing as well as the Trident Tech one pretty much says as much.

Even if you have say, an Associate of Science, Health Science emphasis (two year degree, 60+ credit hours) and you nail it, then you have to take the core Nursing courses which, being required to be taken sequentially, are about 4-5 semesters in addition, and then another 2 years of fulltime to get your Bachelor's. God help you if you work full time, as it'll take forever. If you try to skip the pre-requisites by taking say, the TEAS test or something, you have to really nail it to get enough points to surpass those who already have a high GPA in their pre-requisite courses. The national average is about 74-75%, last I checked.

Investing in Nursing is a very long term commitment and the rejection rate, even for above average students, is very high. I also see day to day (as I work at a local college) students failing Nursing courses and being unable to stay in the program after years of classes and money spent, or worse - those who had to retake a class more than once and were barred from the program permanently.

Again, I don't disagree with your point but I just want to say from the POV of someone who helps people with admissions, registration and orientation almost daily, there are a lot of people trying for nursing who are struggling, and a lot who can't make it at all.

Very well thought out to expand on what I said originally

We can't all be nurses.

I keep most of my food products in a cool, wet sack.

Originally posted by BackFire
I keep most of my food products in a cool, wet sack.

Originally posted by Supra
YES! But we need tax dollars from these companies who actually get tax credits and refunds instead of paying taxes.

http://obrag.org/?p=65977

thats why i said get rid of all forms of currency earlier

even physicists say money is primitive

Originally posted by Supra
read Up

What?

Originally posted by Jynocidus
thats why i said get rid of all forms of currency earlier

even physicists say money is primitive

How do we pay for stuff?

Clearly Bit-Coin.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Clearly Bit-Coin.

Will that control inflation?

Originally posted by Jynocidus
even physicists say money is primitive


And physicists are not known for uninformed and exaggerated statements about fields they are not in...

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I am jealous of your grandparents uber fortune.

Also, it's a heavy commitment to get a Bachelor's in Nursing unless you're able to live with someone and pretty much not work. In fact, the MUSC orientation on Nursing as well as the Trident Tech one pretty much says as much.

Even if you have say, an Associate of Science, Health Science emphasis (two year degree, 60+ credit hours) and you nail it, then you have to take the core Nursing courses which, being required to be taken sequentially, are about 4-5 semesters in addition, and then another 2 years of fulltime to get your Bachelor's. God help you if you work full time, as it'll take forever. If you try to skip the pre-requisites by taking say, the TEAS test or something, you have to really nail it to get enough points to surpass those who already have a high GPA in their pre-requisite courses. The national average is about 74-75%, last I checked.

Investing in Nursing is a very long term commitment and the rejection rate, even for above average students, is very high. I also see day to day (as I work at a local college) students failing Nursing courses and being unable to stay in the program after years of classes and money spent, or worse - those who had to retake a class more than once and were barred from the program permanently.

Again, I don't disagree with your point but I just want to say from the POV of someone who helps people with admissions, registration and orientation almost daily, there are a lot of people trying for nursing who are struggling, and a lot who can't make it at all.

A girl I used to date was about 10 IQ points away from being "mentally retarded": 80-ish and the SB 4. She was in LD classes most of her life. But, she made it through nursing school and she didn't get special accommodations, either. But, she busted her ass and studied for hours and hours. That's probably the difference (her parents didn't pay for her education, either) between succeeding and not succeeding.

Originally posted by dadudemon
A girl I used to date was about 10 IQ points away from being "mentally retarded": 80-ish and the SB 4. She was in LD classes most of her life. But, she made it through nursing school and she didn't get special accommodations, either. But, she busted her ass and studied for hours and hours. That's probably the difference (her parents didn't pay for her education, either) between succeeding and not succeeding.

Hard work can definitely be one factor in success, but it's not the only one. Nor imo the most sure one.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Nurses are still in demand mad crazy: still massive shortages many places in the US. So much so that they are being heavily recruited even before they finish nursing school (check the link I posted). I know a guy from the Philippines who's trained as a nurse. Nurses there only make about $10 a day, so he immigrated here to work part-time, minimum-wage at a department store. His family back home considers him rich.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Hard work can definitely be one factor in success, but it's not the only one. Nor imo the most sure one.



There's support structure, the ability to focus just on schooling if possible, and more that determines success, not just 'hard work'. I've seen bright people trying to work a full time job, do their demanding classes, and juggle family and end up coming short.

While exceptions exist, and people who achieve much in the face of adversity are truly awesome, it shouldn't be only the exceptional that get a chance in a growing job field. That kind of defeats the point.

Get of the nursing debate, for real. Not everyone can be a nurse, not everyone wants to be a nurse, and if we could all be nurses, then who's's going to do all the other jobs in this world.

Why can't we tax the rich corporations to supply the money in the system where it is lacking?

Originally posted by Jynocidus
thats why i said get rid of all forms of currency earlier

even physicists say money is primitive

Can you control inflation with a digital currency better then a physical?

How do we fix America? Maaan, that's the EASIEST damn question and i'm so frackin tired of hearing it asked. See the problem here lies in the damn question itself. IF you're askin the question then your apart of the damn problem cuz you don't already know. See, the simplest solution is to kill all the AmeriCANTS, then we can all be livin right in a Merica that CAN get shit done. However, by askin the question you aint gettin nothin done, you just becomin another Americant. So stop askin that dumb ass question and start gettin stuff dun. See this here is why the rest the world think Mericans is so damn primordial. We got more than one cells in us lets start usin them people. Sheeit, now you gonna get me started and imall have to start runnin in offices's.

Kill all the lawyers.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
How do we fix America? Maaan, that's the EASIEST damn question and i'm so frackin tired of hearing it asked. See the problem here lies in the damn question itself. IF you're askin the question then your apart of the damn problem cuz you don't already know. See, the simplest solution is to kill all the AmeriCANTS, then we can all be livin right in a Merica that CAN get shit done. However, by askin the question you aint gettin nothin done, you just becomin another Americant. So stop askin that dumb ass question and start gettin stuff dun. See this here is why the rest the world think Mericans is so damn primordial. We got more than one cells in us lets start usin them people. Sheeit, now you gonna get me started and imall have to start runnin in offices's.

Learn how to write first then maybe we can start.

Went to doctors office today and he tells me that obama care is basically putting him out of business and all he is doing is trying to help.

Makes sense..

Originally posted by Supra
Went to doctors office today and he tells me that obama care is basically putting him out of business and all he is doing is trying to help.

Makes sense..

Ya, my doctor also does not like the affordable care act.

I like the sentiment of the OP...you're worried, so what can we do? It's noble. But it's also surface level thinking. You manage to group lending laws, tax laws, Obamacare, middle class economic disparity, layoffs in certain sectors, manufacturing trends, and a few others...into ONE post. Fix that?! Each one of those is worth novels (plural) of discussion and analysis. Sure, some are related, but each has innumerable factors feeding into it. And the OP also begs the question by supposing each of them IS a problem. He may be right, he may not, or he may be ignorant of other factors that mitigate the criticism he levels toward Amercia...but in any case it's intellectually disingenuous to presuppose it. See my earlier post (pg. 2) for the beginnings of the argument that maybe things aren't actually so f---ed.

It's why I don't take part in most political discussions, at least economic ones. "The more you know, the more you realize you don't know," or similar aphorisms, are particularly true in this case.

It's also why I feel like the only honest answer to "fixing" much of it is indirectly through education. Promote education, promote critical thinking. If we stopped mucking about with a lot of this other stuff and focused almost solely on that, many problems would fade away and in, say, 30 years we'd be in an even better place than we are now. In the meantime, though, we're largely mired at every level (and on both sides) in biased, shallow, sound-bitey analysis. This thread, unfortunately enough, seems no better. A Republican author and thinker went on Jon Stewart recently and blew peoples' minds with his rational and nuanced analysis of problems from a conservative perspective (wish I remembered his name). Stewart's comment was that liberals didn't need to hear that, Republican politicians do. It was a telling comment for numerous reasons, and I think encapsulates much of the problem succinctly.

The OP also assumes that the problems are not being worked on as we speak. Right now the affordable care act is a disaster, but it is a little short sides to assume that no one is working on fixing it.

No I don't assume anything is being fixed its only being fixed more to work against us.

This system is fixed for us to lose and we must fight it to protect ourselves and our futures and our children's futures.

Originally posted by Supra
No I don't assume anything is being fixed its only being fixed more to work against us.

This system is fixed for us to lose and we must fight it to protect ourselves and our futures and our children's futures.

Evidence?

Originally posted by Supra
Learn how to write first then maybe we can start.

What you mean?

I think it's counter productive for a country to have a healthcare system controlled by the, Government. It's especially worry some when that government tries to forcibly enact a plan that is based around ending lives no matter the cost.

best way to fix america reverse slavery... fixes everything

Originally posted by Shabazz916
best way to fix america reverse slavery... fixes everything

Obvious troll is obvious.

Originally posted by Jynocidus
eliminate all forms of currency and be responsible, that might help Amuricuh

stop classifying people by their race, instead classify them as cooks, engineers, doctors, farmers, etc

COMMUNISM!!

I love it.

I have no idea to fix America! Personally, I really don't rare, though only interest for me in the stock market (superannuation). I may die before that... 2 brain injuries and 2 comas, I have no hope really

How to fix America. What a task that would be. I do know one thing we as Americans need to stop being greedy as **** and try to work together and get this mess back together.

And not use the same word in the same sentence more than twice the same.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
And not use the same word in the same sentence more than twice the same. Whoops,yeah English is not my best subject.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
And not use the same word in the same sentence more than twice the same.

I can see why?

how do we fix the world?
http://static4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130602223128/legomessageboards/images/f/f6/Post-13954-One-does-not-simply-have-time-gkqA.png

By getting rid of the cripples wheelchair

Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
how do we fix the world?
http://static4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130602223128/legomessageboards/images/f/f6/Post-13954-One-does-not-simply-have-time-gkqA.png

Good pic.

Let's just all face it....... we don't.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
COMMUNISM!!

I love it.

If that fixes it and gets rid of the stock market which destroys us, so be it.