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In Gotham, who wins?

Bane, because current Walker is still a cripple, isn't he?

I think he was fixed up at the end of heroic age Thunderbolts, could be wrong though.

Let's use pre cripple Walker.

I think I heard some rumours about it, too. But as I recall, he was strongly against bionics, etc.

Probably could go either way, but John's shield (that got upgraded by Pym) is no joke.

Classic US agent was class 10 right? He should murder rape Bane...

Then again I don't think he ever beat Steve at anything so I'm undecided.

Well it IS Lord Rogers so can't hold too much against Us agent

Atleast he's better than 50's cap.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Classic US agent was class 10 right? He should murder rape Bane...

Then again I don't think he ever beat Steve at anything so I'm undecided.

DCnU Bane's strength hasn't been quantified yet, but he's a definite super human, if I had to venture a guess I'd say he's probably close to that class 10 range too.

But, like Stiltman pointed out, Walker's Pym enhanced shield could be a game changer, especially since Bane fights primarily unarmed.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Classic US agent was class 10 right? He should murder rape Bane...

Then again I don't think he ever beat Steve at anything so I'm undecided.

Bane wouldnt beat Steve at anything either.

Walker for the slight majority.

Bane would beat cap. That is all.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Bane would beat cap. That is all.
Don't believe u.. I smell more.

Oh, yeah, forgot.....his indestructible plot device....still might lose.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Bane would beat cap. That is all.

Nah I'd say split, if not edge to Cap.

US agent should stomp tho

Bane may as of yet have an unidentified level of strength post flashpoint but he seems stronger and more durable than his opponent.

I think Bane is stronger and more durable than U.S Agent. Bane for the majority.

What has Bane done that puts him above even KP?

Us Agent tanked Collective Man's punch. He has the force of over a billion people behind it.

So based on that alone and taking it as his norm he has what.....like a 100+ class durability right?

Does bane even have anything close to 10 ton showings? And no, batman bleeding supes lip on venom doesn't count.

BatBane.

I can't even think of a strength feat USAgent has that can be quantified into the ten ton range. Bane just appears to be much more physically imposing and resistant.

US Agent hasn't done much since the mighty avengers run, he was pretty cool in WC Avengers in the eightys. Walker has some nice feats like saving Wolverine from Namor.

Originally posted by namorsubby
I can't even think of a strength feat USAgent has that can be quantified into the ten ton range.

Beating Lord Barton = Class 100+

DCnu Bane is too strong
manhandling multiple talons
manhandling boulders
manhandling killer croc
manhandling Batman

I think he even broke calvin's neck while unamped and in light of how much trouble the gotham butcher had with him makes Bane the strongest non meta in DC

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Beating Lord Barton = Class 100+ Will you quit calling him that.lol

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Beating Lord Barton = Class 100+

Is it your thing to support the underdogs and shit on the characters with powers?

Originally posted by SasuOna
DCnu Bane is too strong

Maybe, maybe not.

Originally posted by SasuOna
manhandling multiple talons

Fodder.

Originally posted by SasuOna
manhandling boulders

http://i40.tinypic.com/25arxw6.jpg

Originally posted by SasuOna
manhandling killer croc

Who hasn't done that?

Originally posted by SasuOna
manhandling Batman

DCnU version that got raped by Scarecrow, lol.

Originally posted by SasuOna

manhandling boulders



Originally posted by StiltmanFTW




http://i40.tinypic.com/25arxw6.jpg

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Does bane even have anything close to 10 ton showings? And no, batman bleeding supes lip on venom doesn't count. http://s3d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/17530322_Forever_Evil_-_Arkham_War_2013-_001-012.jpg

What is he lifting there? It doesn't look that big.

Vault door check the last part of the scan on the monitor you can see its like 2 times the size of Bane.
Those could weigh like 4-5 tons or more.

Now someone show a quantifiable strength feat to match that for USAgent. We'll wait...

http://i44.tinypic.com/o0ciah.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/32599/2637708-hawkeye_strength.jpg

Owning Clint > any feat from DC

Bane would've ripped his arms offs.


Wtf? Did he just lift that car? Wtf?....wtf?

It's Lord Barton. It could've been a helicarrier, he'd still lift it.

USAgent has oneshotted Ronan IIRC.

I'm still not sure why Hawkeye was able to lift that car. Based on that alone he's stronger than USAgent. Hawkeye FTW.

Also that car had smushed him into a crater

US Agent has very subtle power Feats. His bio has him at Class 10. And from time to time he lifts a car or rips a door off. But overall, there isn't too much in raw lifting Feats that I could find.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/11352/1608934-1_9_2011_12_37_17_pma.jpg
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-1976497
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-1969281
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101073/1944367-walker1.png
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101073/1934831-walker34.png
http://www.puffchrissy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/U.S.-Agent-never-hit-a-woman.jpg

Raw strength feats off the top my head for USAgent.

Holding a falling helicopter from the top of a building with a line.
Lifting up tons of rubble off of him.
Lifting weights that look to appear in the 10 ton range(guestimate on this one).

Originally posted by abhilegend
USAgent has oneshotted Ronan IIRC.

Sheeeezus seriously?

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Raw strength feats off the top my head for USAgent.

Holding a falling helicopter from the top of a building with a line.
Lifting up tons of rubble off of him.
Lifting weights that look to appear in the 10 ton range(guestimate on this one). Confirm or cease and desist immediately.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Maybe, maybe not.



Fodder.



http://i40.tinypic.com/25arxw6.jpg



Who hasn't done that?



DCnU version that got raped by Scarecrow, lol.

1.Yes Bane is too strong, when he starts to Hulk jump on top of buildings I think he's too strong
2. who have talons jobbed too? oh wait let me stop
3. yes
4. no one who shouldn't be also scarecrow had to shoot Batman and drug him before he even came close to getting the better of him in a fight. good job

Can I get an issue number on the oneshotting of Ronan? Cuz that could be enough to wrap this thread up.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Us Agent tanked Collective Man's punch. He has the force of over a billion people behind it.

Yeah, his showing vs. CM was pretty sweet. Shits on anything nu-Bane did.

Hold up I think this is it. Is this not US agent?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hleafLY4wjc/TdgV6alQZlI/AAAAAAAAAVg/BPAQDfK7CVM/s1600/maximumsecurity3+usagent+knocks+out+ronan.jpg

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Sheeeezus seriously? Originally posted by JayDaDon
Hold up I think this is it. Is this not US agent?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hleafLY4wjc/TdgV6alQZlI/AAAAAAAAAVg/BPAQDfK7CVM/s1600/maximumsecurity3+usagent+knocks+out+ronan.jpg
Yup, the same.

Yeah, Bane is boned.

He's not nearly that strong usually (Plus Ronan might have been weakened, been a while so I'm not sure) but he's still blatantly superhuman even on poorer days:
http://s29.postimg.org/c59kzz4ub/Omega_Flight_02_pg_09.jpghttp://s29.postimg.org/7xesr83er/Omega_Flight_02_pg_10.jpghttp://s29.postimg.org/q1htbv137/Omega_Flight_02_pg_11.jpghttp://s29.postimg.org/ny7e471ab/Omega_Flight_02_pg_12.jpghttp://s29.postimg.org/8qreju9fn/Omega_Flight_02_pg_13.jpg

Still, I don't think Bane is on his level in terms of raw physical strength. At least not what I remember from his Avenger days.

Pmub.uhuh

Bane is Boss

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Hold up I think this is it. Is this not US agent?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hleafLY4wjc/TdgV6alQZlI/AAAAAAAAAVg/BPAQDfK7CVM/s1600/maximumsecurity3+usagent+knocks+out+ronan.jpg

I like the scan, but that's basically SMvsFL. USAgent still wins, imo.

Originally posted by Estacado
BatBane.

Bane looks fresh and all with his movie pimp jacket, he got some very nice feats too, but I still dont see him phuckin wit no Class 10.

Here's some highs
Originally posted by -K-M-
==

US Agent
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Battles
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Maximum Security #1: Piledriver
After the Raft was destroyed, US Agent was sent to recapture super villians and here he takes out Piledriver of the Wrecking Crew with two hits.

1. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/1MaximumSecurity05.jpg
2. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/1MaximumSecurity08.jpg
3. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/1MaximumSecurity09.jpg
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Maximum Security #3: Ronan the Accuser
Ego and Ronan threaten the galaxy, but the Avengers and the X-Men led by US Agent are sent to stop him. Ronan has become augmented by Ego, but that doesn't stop US Agent even after treated the Avengers strongest members as toys such as Thor, Beta Ray Bill, Hercules, etc.

1. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/3MaximumSecurity25.jpg
2. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/3MaximumSecurity27.jpg
3. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/3MaximumSecurity29.jpg
4. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/3MaximumSecurity30.jpg
5. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/3MaximumSecurity31.jpg
6. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/3MaximumSecurity32.jpg
7. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/3MaximumSecurity33.jpg
8. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/3MaximumSecurity34.jpg
9. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/3MaximumSecurity35.jpg
10. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/3MaximumSecurity36.jpg


and some lows....

Basically getting one-shotted by Moon Knight
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/marcspectormoonknightv3_041_07.jpg

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Bane looks fresh and all with his movie pimp jacket, he got some very nice feats too, but I still dont see him phuckin wit no Class 10.

He very well could be. Azrael on the same venom was swinging around statues and lifting trees. Bane stated this new venom was even better. He casually lifted a boulder and threw it.

Nice scans. The second set reinforces my opinion that it's SMvsFL, considering Ronan throws around all those heavy hitters.

No one's going to argue USAgent beat Thor pr Herc, right?

Hell, I don't think Lord Rand could take Herc unless he was at half power and drunk.

Crazier things have happened. Ronan's what class 60-70? Spider-man hurts guys above that strength class all the time. But a K.O IMO is just a very good feat for Us Agent.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Crazier things have happened. Ronan's what class 60-70? Spider-man hurts guys above that strength class all the time. But a K.O IMO is just a very good feat for Us Agent.

Many streets have feats like that, though. Same with Bane and his brief fight with Superbat. And didn't he take down Hourman who is around CL 30?

Exactly, so there's no reason to call it a case of SMvsFL. Just a very good showing.

No offense, but by that logic Spidey beating down Firelord is a very good showing. Got to draw the line somewhere, or "Spiderman vs Firelord" standards have no meaning.

And Ronan's as likely as not to beat Firelord, considering track record of holding his own with high ends like Surfer and Thor, and beating Ravenous so bad he had part of his face replaced with tech.

Bane has been impressive lately I hear.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Ronan's what class 60-70?

Yeah somewhere in there.

OHOTMU Master Edition 01
(without augmentation from armor) enhanced human, (augmented with armor) superhuman class 75


All-New OHOTMU A to Z #09
Strength - 5/7

Originally posted by YFZ 350
Bane has been impressive lately I hear.

Just check out the ownage thread, he basically went WWH on Bat villains that were amped by venom.