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She smooshes him.

Namor.

They have sex.



(This was easy)

Namor's a dude, so he wins.

Girl's can't fight.

Barda.

Black Adam wins.

Originally posted by Deadline
Black Adam wins.

mhmm

mmm

duroll

duroll

Barda

Black Adam FTW!!! durhulk

Originally posted by Deadline
Black Adam FTW!!! durhulk BA isn't in this fight. Although that pic of Namor does look a lot like BA.

Nah you don't say.

Originally posted by Deadline
Nah you don't say. http://www.dahmus.org/blogimg/fry-see-what-you-did-there.jpg

Barda wins. She's really good in HtH and I think stronger.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Namor's a dude, so he wins.

Girl's can't fight.


I'm ... confused why you'd think that's humorous.

Barda, but Namor gives her one hell of a fight. He has the maneuverability advantage, and if water is available is more resilient and can amp; she is a better fighter, at least as strong, comparably durable (barring water), and has better finesse.

Not sure of the spread I'd give, though...

I'd say in a straight up h2h she'd beat him after a decent fight.

With his flight, healing factor, etc I think it may be a close fight too.

Big Barda wins this easily.

namor has a hf? anywho Barda imo is a better fighter, i see Namor getting overconfident and getting

namor

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
mhmm

mmm

duroll Originally posted by Deadline
duroll

Originally posted by jinzin

With his flight, healing factor, etc I think it may be a close fight too.

She has aero-disks and a mother box, providing both flight and healing too.

^H2H only.

Originally posted by Q99
Barda wins. She's really good in HtH and I think stronger.

A hydrated Namor is on the level of top tiers physically. His on par with beings like Diana, Hercules etc. I've never seen Barda portrayed at that level as far as I can recall much less above it.

She's certainly been portrayed as on Diana's level in hand to hand combat, without her armor.

Her armor increases her strength and durability, and her Mega Rod is enough to knock out Byrne Superman with a single hit -- I wouldn't rate Namor's durability above that of Byrne Superman.

Hasn't Barda been considered an equal to WW as far combat ability goes? Never read the encyclopedia but hasn't she dueled Wonder Woman to a draw? If that's the case then she is above Namor.

Originally posted by Allankles
Hasn't Barda been considered an equal to WW as far combat ability goes? Never read the encyclopedia but hasn't she dueled Wonder Woman to a draw? If that's the case then she is above Namor.

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Originally posted by dawsey28

Wonder Woman vs Big Barda (Mr.Miracle #6)
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Originally posted by Desaad
She's certainly been portrayed as on Diana's level in hand to hand combat, without her armor.

Her armor increases her strength and durability, and her Mega Rod is enough to knock out Byrne Superman with a single hit -- I wouldn't rate Namor's durability above that of Byrne Superman.

Has she? I remember them having a fight a while back where they toe to toe with Diana coming out on top but it's been a few months. Of all the characters I -use to- read, my memory is the foggiest when it comes to Diana. The mediocrity is off putting.

Action Comics #592 right? She was shown blasting him for two panels, so it could have been one sustained blast, or repeated blasts. But yea, he was taken out. I'd call it a low showing for Clark though. That along with being one shotted by the Astro Force (Although the latter is more believable)

Either way, this is purely hand to hand.

Edit: Mungi posted the scans. Barda held her own. Nothing I'd place on par or above Namor. His held his own against Thor, Hercules, Hulk, Black Bolt, etc. in hand to hand.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Has she? I remember them having a fight a while back where Diana came out on top but it's been a few months. Of all the characters I -use to- read, my memory is the foggiest when it comes to Diana. The mediocrity is off putting.

Yes. They were even for quite awhile until Diana started flying.


WW One Million also had some issues with Barda's strength.

To the thread starter, by pure h2h, do you mean no gear for either? Just making sure.

Originally posted by Q99
Yes. They were even for quite awhile until Diana started flying.

WW One Million also had some issues with Barda's strength.

I don't even Namor has any notable skill feats but she didn't show anything physically there that Namor hasn't matched and surpassed.

Cool.

sidenote: In those scans... why are Barda and Wondy shown to be equal in height when the handbooks say Barda is like 7'0'' and Wondy is around 6'2"?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Has she? I remember them having a fight a while back where they toe to toe with Diana coming out on top but it's been a few months. Of all the characters I -use to- read, my memory is the foggiest when it comes to Diana. The mediocrity is off putting.

Action Comics #592 right? She was shown blasting him for two panels, so it could have been one sustained blast, or repeated blasts. But yea, he was taken out. I'd call it a low showing for Clark though. That along with being one shotted by the Astro Force (Although the latter is more believable)

Actually, Action 586 (the Astro Force encounter) never had Superman shot by Astro Force. Orion had to aim AROUND him, with 'surgical precision', because he was afraid that a single direct hit would kill him instantly.



She clearly proved herself in the same league in terms of strength, skill, durability, etc with that fight. I'd be the first to admit that Diana was/is slightly ahead of her in every way but skill, but if she's wearing her armor and she's got her rod she more than makes up for it.

Obviously I didn't realize this was just hand to hand, and I'd give Namor the edge I guess because I do see a fully hydrated Namor as physically superior, but Barda has gone toe to toe with DC's Thor and Lobo, has stalemated (essentially) Wonder Woman in hand to hand without any of her standard equipment, and has taken out Superman and Supergirl with her mega rod quite handily. I don't see her as anythign below a solid mid level top tier in overall formidability, when she's fully unleashed.

Originally posted by Desaad
Actually, Action 586 (the Astro Force encounter) never had Superman shot by Astro Force. Orion had to aim AROUND him, with 'surgical precision', because he was afraid that a single direct hit would kill him instantly.

It was that bad? Huh. New God energy attacks were very effective against Superman in that arc as I recall. Then he went on to withstand the Omega Beams -he was definitely going to feel the pain in the morning though- a bit weird. *Shrugs* I don't have the issue on hand.

Originally posted by Desaad
She clearly proved herself in the same league in terms of strength, skill, durability, etc with that fight. I'd be the first to admit that Diana was/is slightly ahead of her in every way but skill, but if she's wearing her armor and she's got her rod she more than makes up for it.

Obviously I didn't realize this was just hand to hand, and I'd give Namor the edge I guess because I do see a fully hydrated Namor as physically superior, but Barda has gone toe to toe with DC's Thor and Lobo, has stalemated (essentially) Wonder Woman in hand to hand without any of her standard equipment, and has taken out Superman and Supergirl with her mega rod quite handily. I don't see her as anythign below a solid mid level top tier in overall formidability, when she's fully unleashed.

Has DC's Thor done anything impressive? Curious because I only saw him in the Superman/Diana 1000 years arc.

Stalemating Lobo is impressive -never heard of this actually- but it depends on what level he was portrayed at. As you know, his a fluctuating character.

I think she'd take Namor fully geared up and fighting smart.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It was that bad? Huh. New God energy attacks were very effective against Superman in that arc as I recall. Then he went on to withstand the Omega Beams -he was definitely going to feel the pain in the morning though- a bit weird. *Shrugs* I don't have the issue on hand.

Well, if you read the issue carefully you'll see that (under Byrne), getting hit by his Omega Effect essentially exhausted the capacity -- it was a one time deal, I guess. He then goes on to say he has 'other' options at his command, and hits him with more eye beams, but Byrne appeared to be making a distinction there.

It's all irrelevant since it was later retconned into being Desaad, I suppose, but even Byrne wasn't trying to say that Superman could survive the Omega Effect -- he made it quite clear that only Darkseid, whose body contained the energies, could do so.





To the best of my knowledge we haven't gotten a lot of exposure to DC's Thor. As you say, he appeared in the Superman arc, and this one. In JK4W he was specifically summoned as a replacement for Orion and a counter to Darkseid. Tigra, who was part of his summoning, believed that he had the power to take on Darkseid. In terms of verifiable feats, though, he only broke through a supposedly impenetrable energy wall and fought Barda to a standstill, before being taken out by the then God-powered Mister Miracle (who himself was, seemingly, at skyfather level, given that his powers were later capable of powering up the powerless Wizard Shazam to his skyfather level)

Originally posted by Desaad
Well, if you read the issue carefully you'll see that (under Byrne), getting hit by his Omega Effect essentially exhausted the capacity -- it was a one time deal, I guess. He then goes on to say he has 'other' options at his command, and hits him with more eye beams, but Byrne appeared to be making a distinction there.

It's all irrelevant since it was later retconned into being Desaad, I suppose, but even Byrne wasn't trying to say that Superman could survive the Omega Effect -- he made it quite clear that only Darkseid, whose body contained the energies, could do so.

I was referring to the Superman Confidential mini and not Byrne's fight.

Originally posted by Desaad
To the best of my knowledge we haven't gotten a lot of exposure to DC's Thor. As you say, he appeared in the Superman arc, and this one. In JK4W he was specifically summoned as a replacement for Orion and a counter to Darkseid. Tigra, who was part of his summoning, believed that he had the power to take on Darkseid. In terms of verifiable feats, though, he only broke through a supposedly impenetrable energy wall and fought Barda to a standstill, before being taken out by the then God-powered Mister Miracle (who himself was, seemingly, at skyfather level, given that his powers were later capable of powering up the powerless Wizard Shazam to his skyfather level)

Iight. Thanks.

I know she stalemated DC Thor, but no idea his powerlevel

Originally posted by marwash22
sidenote: In those scans... why are Barda and Wondy shown to be equal in height when the handbooks say Barda is like 7'0'' and Wondy is around 6'2"?

Barda seems to be a good bit taller when they are talking.

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/1431/MM6-9.jpg

Oh, I believe Barda might take a slight majority over Namor. I think she's more skilled.

Namor wins if he's hydrated; otherwise Barda takes this.

Hydrated Namor (probably) has the edge on overall str and durability.
This is purely a H2H fight however in which case I'll give the win to Barda for the small majority. Her str and durability still puts her in his league, but her H2H skill is what will win the day in the end.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I was referring to the Superman Confidential mini and not Byrne's fight.

Oh, nevermind.

Then yes, Orion one-shotted Supes with a direct hit of the Astro Force.

But in the original Byrne confrontation, he was afraid of killing Supes with a direct hit.

Originally posted by Bentley
They have sex.



(This was easy)

The only wat Namor's winning this is if the fight takes place at the bottom of the ocean

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
^H2H only.


Neither aero-disks or mother box are weapons. She'd still be using her fists even if she had them.



Hah, like Namor has anything on her husband (super-agility and escape-artist flexibility ^^).


Barda's married and unlike some other comic marriages, is *totally* happy with it

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
The only wat Namor's winning this is if the fight takes place at the bottom of the ocean even without having to go the bottom of the ocean his strength and durability are still herald level taking hits from Thor and Hulk..

Namor could win in just h2h against Barda.

Originally posted by King Castle
even without having to go the bottom of the ocean his strength and durability are still herald level taking hits from Thor and Hulk..

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Taking hits and winning are two different things. She Hulk has put the smackdown on Namor before and so has the Thing. Barda has fought WW to a draw. I think she takes Namor here.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Taking hits and winning are two different things. She Hulk has put the smackdown on Namor before and so has the Thing. Barda has fought WW to a draw. I think she takes Namor here. A wet namor has beaten hulk.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
A wet namor has beaten hulk.

ding ding ding! we got a winner for quote of the day!
I worry about you BBz!

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
ding ding ding! we got a winner for quote of the day!
I worry about you BBz!

ha-som

Originally posted by Black bolt z
ha-som


I concede.
Nothing beats a wet Namor. let alone a female!

but neither really shows her being superior in strength then the other and the hits i am talking about is Mjolnir level blast.. sure She Hulk has put the hurt on him but she isnt some one to be scuffed off either.

neither makes it unreasonable for him not to be able to win against Barda.

not sure of the Thing fight i am sure context is missing.

only thing that can be made for argument sake is the bio stats which we dont really go by here due to their notoriety.

and just to let you know i see her winning due to superior fighting skills and nothing else.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Taking hits and winning are two different things. She Hulk has put the smackdown on Namor before and so has the Thing. Barda has fought WW to a draw. I think she takes Namor here.

His defeated Hulk in hand to hand combat. He was beating Hercules in hand to hand underwater. He was going toe to toe with Thor. Those are better feats than losing to Wonder Woman.

When did She-Hulk or Thing defeat Namor?

The only time I can think of something like that happening is when Thing pulled Namor out of water against his will in their first confrontation. And that was hardly a smack down.

hydrated namor 7/10

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

When did She-Hulk or Thing defeat Namor?

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I'm not sure which issue it was but in one of the Sensational She Hulk issues she travels back to the 1940s and put the whup ass on the entire All Winners Squad...Captian America, The Original Human Torch and Toro, Whizzer, Miss America, and Yes, Namor. Namor even doused himself with a bucket of water before their fight and still lost.

Haven't read that fight. A hydrated Namor losing to She-Hulk is a pretty low showing unless she was amped.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
A wet namor has beaten hulk.

Has also lost to the Thing but that was a thousand years ago

Originally posted by tkitna
Has also lost to the Thing but that was a thousand years ago Was this one of their first fights when namor was "rich"?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Haven't read that fight. A hydrated Namor losing to She-Hulk is a pretty low showing unless she was amped.

From all the encounters the two have had I always got the impression that Shulkie was marginally stronger than Namor unless he was hydrated.

Originally posted by Konton
From all the encounters the two have had I always got the impression that Shulkie was marginally stronger than Namor unless he was hydrated.

Any instances that come to mind?

Namor does fluctuate out of water or when his not hydrated but unless his weakened, I've never seen him go below Thing level.