Could Emperor Joker take over marvel if he wasn't insane?

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Drakon09
Well could he? And if he couldn't where would he stop.

KingD19
No. Too many reality warpers and cosmic beings there to stop him.

StiltmanFTW
If he weren't insane, then he wouldn't really want to.

Digi
On feats, I don't think he passes a few lurking around Marvel. But then, I never much bothered with the nuance of incomprehensible abstract power gauging.

Galan007
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
If he weren't insane, then he wouldn't really want to. Yeah, his insanity is what allowed Joker to adapt to omnipotence easier.

Anyway, without beings around who can specifically tell Marvel how to beat Joker(as was the case in the EJ arc), I'm hard-pressed to see anyone under LT stopping him.

Very early in the story, Mxy stated that Joker's influence had spread into the higher dimensional planes:
http://i.imgur.com/Mdq1s25.jpg
"All five dimensions gone haywire." And as we know: higher dimensional planes(like the 4th World/dimension) are infinitely more vast than the prime 3d multiverse.

He exhibited some of this power by whimsically destroying and recreating the universe:
http://imgur.com/AG4gH1H
http://imgur.com/UwE2SAU
http://imgur.com/DztVoX2

He also overtook/replaced Spectre(God's Vengeance), before warping the Spectre entity into a parakeet and imprisoning it in a birdcage:
http://imgur.com/n4xOUWI
http://imgur.com/SjOZ6EX

However, by the end of the arc(after he began realizing his potential) Joker had nearly succeeded in collapsing all of reality into a single point of infinite gravity:
http://i.imgur.com/GsRoygn.jpg

And just so we're clear: 'all of reality' in that arc=the multiverse:
http://i.imgur.com/Cy6mxSC.jpg
"...Everything will unravel. Not just your earth--not just your universe--but everything that is, was, or will be."

To further solidify the fact that DC still defined itself as a multiverse at the time:
http://i.imgur.com/a45yMHo.jpg
The above scan is from JSA #13-- published 1 month before the EJ arc started.

Suffice to say, EJ was multiversal++.

deathslash
Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, his insanity is what allowed Joker to adapt to omnipotence easier.

Anyway, without beings around who can specifically tell Marvel how to beat Joker(as was the case in the EJ arc), I'm hard-pressed to see anyone under LT stopping him.

Very early in the story, Mxy stated that Joker's influence had spread into the higher dimensional planes:
http://i.imgur.com/Mdq1s25.jpg
"All five dimensions gone haywire." And as we know: higher dimensional planes(like the 4th World/dimension) are infinitely more vast than the prime 3d multiverse.

He exhibited some of this power by whimsically destroying the universe:
http://imgur.com/AG4gH1H
http://imgur.com/UwE2SAU
http://imgur.com/DztVoX2

However, by the end of the arc(after Joker began realizing his potential) Joker had nearly succeeded in collapsing all of reality into a single point of infinite gravity:
http://i.imgur.com/GsRoygn.jpg

And just so we're clear: 'all of reality' in that arc=the multiverse:
http://i.imgur.com/Cy6mxSC.jpg
"...Everything will unravel. Not just your earth--not just your universe--but everything that is, was, or will be."

To further solidify the fact that DC still defined itself as a multiverse at the time:
http://i.imgur.com/a45yMHo.jpg
The above scan is from JSA #13-- published 1 month before the EJ arc started.

Suffice to say, EJ was multiversal++. How come the Spectre or somebody else on his level couldn't stop him?
wrath of god>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Joker with the powers of a fifth dimenstional imp

Galan007
^ You just missed my edit:
Originally posted by Galan007
He also overtook/replaced Spectre(God's Vengeance), before warping the Spectre entity into a parakeet and imprisoning it in a birdcage:
http://imgur.com/n4xOUWI
http://imgur.com/SjOZ6EX EJ>>>>Spectre.

Mindset
Originally posted by deathslash
How come the Spectre or somebody else on his level couldn't stop him?
wrath of god>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Joker with the powers of a fifth dimenstional imp Because Spectre is around Galactus level.

CatL18

Tony Stark
NOT a chance in HELL

Drakon09
I appreiciate answers from non bias people ok tony. He probably couldn't not saying your wrong but like a couple people on here you are very bias.

Digi
I always worry a bit when I agree with Tony. Moreso when a Galan scan slap disagrees with me.

Anyway, Spectre is notoriously all over the place power-wise. Yes, I know what he should be as the #2 after the DC God, but how often do we see him job out to wayyy lower levels? The collective evidence is pretty strong, but I'm not so sure I'd hang EJ's hat on the Spectre thing too much.

I can't really get into this too much; not my wheelhouse in the least. I just remain skeptical that the 2-3 (at least) universal and/or multiversal reality warping entities couldn't at least match EJ. Like, say Jaspers goes at it with him, the Pheonix comes out of hiding, and the Illuminati builds the IG for one of them to wield (let's say Cap, because lulz). And LT shows up. That's some heavy competition. Or Cpt. Britain uses his multiverse tuner...er...thing to collapse reality onto Joker. That last one probably isn't a thing, but you see my point. There's probably half a dozen I'm not thinking of.

namorsubby
This is a stupid question. Jokers insanity is all he needs to take over the Marvel universe. He kind of beats Batman sometimes I guess, which makes this spite. He or that one thug that knocked Batman out that one time could easily conquer the MU. Read comics, learn stuff irrelevant to actual life.

Mindset
Originally posted by namorsubby
This is a stupid question. Jokers insanity is all he needs to take over the Marvel universe. He kind of beats Batman sometimes I guess, which makes this spite. He or that one thug that knocked Batman out that one time could easily conquer the MU. Read comics, learn stuff irrelevant to actual life. What?

namorsubby
In recollection, I'm not too sure what I was getting at either.....but that was almost 20 minutes ago. Let it go....I've changed.

Tony Stark
Originally posted by Drakon09
I appreiciate answers from non bias people ok tony. He probably couldn't not saying your wrong but like a couple people on here you are very bias.



If bias means logical... OK then I'm bias.

maxivitopowe
snort

DrDeadpool
Would he take the DC universe ?

Cogito
Originally posted by Digi
and the Illuminati builds the IG for one of them to wield (let's say Cap, because lulz).

This just happened in the Builders arc. Cap tried to use the IG...it blew up.

Galan007
^ thumb up

Also remember that no prep was specified. This is important because Joker was able to remake the entire earth(and all of its inhabitants) in his image within 69 seconds of initially gaining Mxy's powers:
http://imgur.com/7bBkjn7
...And once he actually gained a degree of control over said powers(which, I'm assuming, is how he would start off in this battle), he was able to destroy and recreate the entire universe nigh-instantly(see above scans.)

Point being: I doubt Marvel earth would even have enough time to come up with with some uber plot device victory. /shrug

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