Sun dipped superman vs worthy juggernaught

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rotiart
This is higher aight with the full backing of cyttorak while he was the worthy....

Superman seeing the path of destruction flies into the heart of the sun and then returns to earth to deal with the rampaging destruction.

If superman can't do it alone add captain marvel to the mix.

How does DC fare?

pym-ftw
The Earth explodes.

Drakon09
Superman

Zack Fair
Superman.

Or the more likely scenario:

Originally posted by pym-ftw
The Earth explodes.

h1a8
I don't see anyway Superman or anyone can physically harm a full powered juggernaut. Forget Worthy Juggs. But I don't see Worthy Juggs harming Supes either. So stalemate.

TBH any fight thread concerning classic Juggs or something related isn't a good one at all.

quanchi112
Juggernaut wins.

Rao Kal El
Superman wins

Pillow Biter
If it's the sundip from OWAW, under those writers, Superman wins. He was ridiculously uber in that showing.

I'm doubtful he'd be shown as that powerful under other writers if he took a dip though.

zopzop
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Superman wins

DarkSaint85
Superman pushes the entire Earth into the Sun.

namorsubby
Superman is one of those characters where one or a few of his abilities has to be disregarded to make most fights with far less versatile characters fail.

carver9
Superman wins.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Superman explodes.

thumb up

And Pr with him.

maxivitopowe
Is bfr an option?

zopzop
Originally posted by maxivitopowe
Is bfr an option?
You can't BFR Worthy Juggernaut.

LordofBrooklyn
Originally posted by maxivitopowe
Is bfr an option?

Why BFR when Warworld moving punches can do the job?

Zack Fair
He BFRs earth?

Branlor Swift
Depends on how much of an amp you see Superman getting. 2 times, 3 times, 10 times?

Because as we seen Juggernaut powers on its own was enough to cause immense damage to Kuurth's power, and Kuurth's power on its own were enough to cause immense damage to the Juggernaut powers he had.
At full power, those powers should theoretically stack, making him twice as durable. Which theoretically would make something twice as strong as Juggernaut able to cause the same amount of damage to him.

So... Superman at twice his strength should be able to crack his ribs and make him bleed, etc. Superman a little over that should be able to put him down in a drawn out brawl.

So, you work from there. Superman should win.

Sin I AM
Cain and hard

Sin I AM
Cain and hard

DarkSaint85
Calm down ...

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Calm down ...

She really needs the d

http://i44.tinypic.com/wikhnb.jpg

LordofBrooklyn
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Cain loses hard

The truth shall set you free!

zopzop
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
She really needs the d

http://i44.tinypic.com/wikhnb.jpg
laughing

Sin I AM
Don't know wassup with all the juggernaut hate as of late and trust I get the d




Nuff said

-Pr-
I thought you were the D?

Sin I AM
Originally posted by -Pr-
I thought you were the D?

Had to give the strapon up too emasculating...can't have a man if im phuckin him in the ass every night

-Pr-
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Had to give the strapon up too emasculating...can't have a man if im phuckin him in the ass every night

Hey, do who/what makes you happy. If he's gonna complain, then maybe he's just not the sub you're looking for.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Cain and hard Originally posted by Sin I AM
Cain and hard
laughing out loud

Mshinu
Juggs wins by Hammer to Face.

Pillow Biter
SSJ Supes from OWAW would punch out Cyttorak himself, just so everyone is clear. Now, if we aren't specifically talking about that one portrayal, then play on. But if we are, then Cain has no shot.

rotiart
I guess I don't know about this specific sun dip superman has had. But I can't imagine with juggernaught taking everything the entire xmen roster had.... that superman would do it that easily.

jaxthejester
Cain is designed to be immune to non-magic damage.

Kuurth could only harm Juggs (and vice versa) for the same reason that the other Avatars could in 8th day- because of magic fueled power.

But even if Supes can manage to damage Cain, I'm not sure what the ending result would do for him in the face of Cain's mystical regeneration.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/mystic1.jpg

And Kuurth was even worse than normal Juggs...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125644/2717650-2121037_pixie_bfr_kuurth.png

I'm voting Juggs FTW in a brawl.

Supes FTW in a Tactical encounter (speed and resources could win the day for Clark).

Supra
Originally posted by rotiart
This is higher aight with the full backing of cyttorak while he was the worthy....

Superman seeing the path of destruction flies into the heart of the sun and then returns to earth to deal with the rampaging destruction.

If superman can't do it alone add captain marvel to the mix.

How does DC fare?

Earth is Doomed.

KingD19
Also when he healed from a skeleton, he'd had pretty much all of his power drained.

abhilegend
Originally posted by jaxthejester
Cain is designed to be immune to non-magic damage.

Kuurth could only harm Juggs (and vice versa) for the same reason that the other Avatars could in 8th day- because of magic fueled power.

But even if Supes can manage to damage Cain, I'm not sure what the ending result would do for him in the face of Cain's mystical regeneration.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/mystic1.jpg

And Kuurth was even worse than normal Juggs...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125644/2717650-2121037_pixie_bfr_kuurth.png

I'm voting Juggs FTW in a brawl.

Supes FTW in a Tactical encounter (speed and resources could win the day for Clark).
I'd imagine a punch that could've killed Worloggog Vera Black would at least KTFO Cain.

Superman's other sundip which was less than one minute was enough to kill Worloggog Vera Black.

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/16818923_Untitled-Scanned-10.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/16818931_Untitled-Scanned-13.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/16818933_Untitled-Scanned-14.jpg

Worloggog had seen it previously in her vision.

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/16818939_Untitled-Scanned-06.jpg

While previously she no sold a full on superman attack.

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/16818924_Untitled-Scanned-11.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/16818929_Untitled-Scanned-12_2.jpg

And Flash throwing an object at infinite velocity and mass

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/16818930_Untitled-Scanned-12.jpg

Its not like Colossus+Juggernaut+Phoenix 5 didn't got KTFO by P5 Magik or anything.

http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/Newer/AVX-9Zone-018.jpg

http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/Newer/AVX-9Zone-019.jpg

The myth that Juggernaut is physically unkoable is just that, a myth.

KingD19
They took each other down, losing their Phoenix powers in the process. And if you look, that's normal Colossus that got ko'd, which is possible. Hell, he might not even be ko'd as far as we know. We only saw him laying on the ground for two panels over the course of a couple second long conversation.

When he's just bald, he's normal. When he summons the helmet, that's when he goes Juggernaut. So your point isn't proven.

abhilegend
Originally posted by KingD19
They took each other down, losing their Phoenix powers in the process. And if you look, that's normal Colossus that got ko'd, which is possible. Hell, he might not even be ko'd as far as we know. We only saw him laying on the ground for two panels over the course of a couple second long conversation.

When he's just bald, he's normal. When he summons the helmet, that's when he goes Juggernaut. So your point isn't proven.
facepalm

He had the juggernaut powers at that point. Who said he only had his powers when he summoned his helmet? That's just laughable.

h1a8
Now Juggs doesn't have the power to harm Superman at this level. We are talking thousands of galaxies of power here.
Now I'm not sure Superman can harm him either as I take Juggs as immune to physical force under universal level. So I say stalemate.

maxivitopowe
where do you get your math?

KingD19
Originally posted by abhilegend
facepalm

He had the juggernaut powers at that point. Who said he only had his powers when he summoned his helmet? That's just laughable.

That's proven on panel.

When he's fighting War Machine along with Storm after Rhodie sucker punches them. You see his helmet starting to form and his eyes glowing. Then Storm says, "We need Colossus, not Juggernaut".


He summoned the Juggernaut armor fighting several people. Including Rulk, Thing, and I believe Spider-Man in Latveria.

Going by on panel showings, he has to activate his Juggernaut powers unlike Cain, and we don't even see him use them or even any indication he's using them once he goes Phoenix.

I can understand why you'd call it laughable though. I mean just take a look at your avi.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by abhilegend
facepalm

He had the juggernaut powers at that point. Who said he only had his powers when he summoned his helmet? That's just laughable.

Blame Marvel.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108946/2117849-uncanny_x_men_001_0023.jpg

abhilegend
Originally posted by KingD19
That's proven on panel.

When he's fighting War Machine along with Storm after Rhodie sucker punches them. You see his helmet starting to form and his eyes glowing. Then Storm says, "We need Colossus, not Juggernaut".


He summoned the Juggernaut armor fighting several people. Including Rulk, Thing, and I believe Spider-Man in Latveria.

Going by on panel showings, he has to activate his Juggernaut powers unlike Cain, and we don't even see him use them or even any indication he's using them once he goes Phoenix.

I can understand why you'd call it laughable though. I mean just take a look at your avi.
But that doesn't means he isn't juggernaut if his helmet falls down while he is still in juggernaut form. Like Unit showed.

http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/Newer/UXMEN1006.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/Newer/UXMEN1007.jpg

Or Sinister showed.

http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/Newer/UCXM16pg06.jpg
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You can make excuses all you want, its still laughable. Calling me biased wouldn't make either Colossus or Juggernaut look any better.Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Blame Marvel.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108946/2117849-uncanny_x_men_001_0023.jpg
And that showed Colossus powering up. It didn't show Colossus being powerless while not with his juggernaut helmet.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by abhilegend
But that doesn't means he isn't juggernaut if his helmet falls down while he is still in juggernaut form. Like Unit showed.

http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/Newer/UXMEN1006.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/Newer/UXMEN1007.jpg

Or Sinister showed.

http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/Newer/UCXM16pg06.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/Newer/UCXM16pg07.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/Newer/UCXM16pg08.jpg
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http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/Newer/UCXM16pg21.jpg


You can make excuses all you want, its still laughable.
And that showed Colossus powering up. It didn't show Colossus being powerless while not with his juggernaut helmet.
It showed that without his helmet, he had less power (i.e., a blast tore a hole in his chest)

KingD19
If he doesn't have the helmet on in the first place, he isn't Juggernaut. Him summoning the helmet and armor and getting the glowy eyes are the visual cues of Juggernaut Power.

It's simple.

And what exactly did Sinister show? That he could alter his size as a Phoenix?

abhilegend
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It showed that without his helmet, he had less power (i.e., a blast tore a hole in his chest)
That was when he was in colossus form, then he summoned his juggernaut powers. Those red boots are his standard uniform, he wasn't powered up at that moment which is using wristbands and shit as his uniform.

Sixth_Winged
What are you talking about? Thats clearly just the p5 costume with no indication of cytorraks imfluence at work. He practically refrained from using juggs powers all together during avx,.

Drakon09
Superman stomps

abhilegend
Originally posted by KingD19
If he doesn't have the helmet on in the first place, he isn't Juggernaut. Him summoning the helmet and armor and getting the glowy eyes are the visual cues of Juggernaut Power.

It's simple.

And what exactly did Sinister show? That he could alter his size as a Phoenix?
Haha, what? He summons his helmet when he transforms into Juggernaut, losing it doesn't means he loses the power. Show one such instance where he lost the Juggernaut power when his helmet fell off. In fact Thing vaporized his helmet here, does that means he is no longer Juggernaut when he oneshots Thing?

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/12218186_AVX-Zone_002.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/12218188_AVX-Zone_003.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/12218190_AVX-Zone_004.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/12218192_AVX-Zone_005.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/12218193_AVX-Zone_006.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/12218196_AVX-Zone_007.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/12218198_AVX-Zone_008.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/12218199_AVX-Zone_009.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/12218200_AVX-Zone_010.jpg

Interesting logic. Since Colossus summons his helmet when he becomes Juggernaut, he loses all his power when he loses the helmet? That's just funny.

KingD19
Did you read my post? You quoted it so I assumed you read it. I said if he doesn't put the helmet on, he isn't Juggernaut.

I never said he stops being Juggernaut if it's forcefully removed in battle.

Drakon09
Superman stomps

abhilegend
Originally posted by KingD19
Did you read my post? You quoted it so I assumed you read it. I said if he doesn't put the helmet on, he isn't Juggernaut.

I never said he stops being Juggernaut if it's forcefully removed in battle.
And he was juggernaut when P5 Magik and he knocked each other out. So what's the problem here?

KingD19
No proof of that. In fact, the opposite is more likely. As he and Illyana went to Cyttorak personally and demanded he remove the Juggernaut powers. And then Cyttorak refused and sent them away. While he had the Phoenix power he probably completely ignored the Juggernaut abilities.

maxivitopowe
ditto @KingD19

jaxthejester
What is Superman's win condition in a fist fight?

I understand that his power level is highly boosted. But he's facing a foe that is designed to be immune to non-magic damage.

And even if we ignore Cain's character concept and assume that Superman can punch hard enough to harm him; there remains the problem of keeping Cain down.
We are, after all, talking about a creature that has remained fighting even after more than 90% of his body mass was magically blasted off.
Superman's best hits could literally go right through the guy, and it wouldn't keep him down.
Even if you remove entire sections of his body via brute force, new ones would simply re-form. Juggernaut magically regenerates lost tissue.
This is not a creature that can be beaten to death. Cain is powered by magic energy, not blood and bone...

Punches will not win the day against this foe.

Clark needs to bring his brain, not his brawn, to the table here.

emporerpants
Superman wins.

Pillow Biter
Superman at this level was said to be capable of beating someone who had absorbed the power or multiple galaxies. He might well be able to just incinerate Cain. That being said, Supes doesn't do that. So punching will do. Comics are funny that way. Cain can completely reconstitute himself, yet I bet if you hit him hard enough (and by that I mean cosmically hard) he just gets KOed.

jaxthejester
Absorbing a small portion of the power of a single Sun does not allow one to match raw power with a being that has absorbed the FULL power of multiple Galaxies, each littered with BILLIONS of their own Suns.

One does not need to have read the issue to know that other factors are at play in such a scenario.
Plot Line/Context Sensitive Events were occurring to help facilitate his victory.
Or else it is a horrid case of PIS. Take your pick, I suppose.

But basic common sense dictates that Superman cannot just up and destroy Multi-Verse Class Beings with a right hook, simply because he kicked it in the Sun for a bit.

That is a fine case of A + B = C logic failing the reader in the worst way.

Think about the ramification of such a claim-

If Darksied threatens the JLA... Superman takes a Sun dip and one-shots him.
If SBP and Anti-Monitor show up... Superman takes a Sun Dip and one-shots them.
Captain Marvel and Black Adam at the same time? Forget about it. Sun Dip. One Shot. End of story.
A troop of Celestials? Not when a Sun is nearby.

...Superman is not the big brother of Galactus.
Story plot requirement, or writer failure, are the Occam's Razor for such a defiance of basic reasoning.

Pillow Biter
First of all, Superman clearly metabolizes solar energy with much more than 100% efficiency--might not make sense, but seems to be how it goes.
Superman didn't just catch some rays here. He totally transformed. He was a cosmic being. IT was dumb. I didn't like it. I don't think other writers would follow suit if he went to the Sun again, i.e. under most writers he'd just get a power boost and not a radical transformation.
That being said, if the OP insists on using this one portrayal, then dumb and illogical as it is, Superman is fricking ridiculously powerful.

KingD19
And so is Juggernaut as he's powered by Two Skyfather level beings.

pym-ftw
Cyttorak is above skyfather most likely.

Branlor Swift
Wait, are people putting the Juggernaut powers above a 5th of the Phoenix?

And acting like he couldn't have possibly been accessing that power as well?

Originally posted by jaxthejester
Cain is designed to be immune to non-magic damage.

Kuurth could only harm Juggs (and vice versa) for the same reason that the other Avatars could in 8th day- because of magic fueled power. You might want to get scans for this statement

abhilegend
Originally posted by KingD19
No proof of that. In fact, the opposite is more likely. As he and Illyana went to Cyttorak personally and demanded he remove the Juggernaut powers. And then Cyttorak refused and sent them away. While he had the Phoenix power he probably completely ignored the Juggernaut abilities.
Opposite of it actually. We clearly see Colossus in his Juggernaut "dress" being out cold.

http://i.imgur.com/K1xgZbs.jpg

That's not normal colossus.

jaxthejester
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Wait, are people putting the Juggernaut powers above a 5th of the Phoenix?

And acting like he couldn't have possibly been accessing that power as well?

You might want to get scans for this statement

We do have a Respect Thread area. It should be loaded with all you need.

Well, that and his official Marvel Handbook Bio. All of them.

jaxthejester
Originally posted by Pillow Biter
First of all, Superman clearly metabolizes solar energy with much more than 100% efficiency--might not make sense, but seems to be how it goes.
Superman didn't just catch some rays here. He totally transformed. He was a cosmic being. IT was dumb. I didn't like it. I don't think other writers would follow suit if he went to the Sun again, i.e. under most writers he'd just get a power boost and not a radical transformation.
That being said, if the OP insists on using this one portrayal, then dumb and illogical as it is, Superman is fricking ridiculously powerful.

I'm not debating that Superman was highly amped.

I'm debating that his punch did not pack the power of multiple Universe's behind it.

The radiating damage of a Multi-Versal punch that hits hard enough to K.O. a Multi-Versal being would wreck the very DCU that they are battling in.

He was amped. He hit very, very hard. But it was not a "multiple Universe's at once packed behind this one punch" strike.

Igniz
So how come the debate here shifted to Sun dipped Superman Vs P5 Colossunaut?The name of the thread is Sun dipped Superman Vs Worthy Juggernaut.And with the "Worthy Juggernaut" in the title of this thread, I would assume that this is Kuurth+Juggernaut powers/Cytorrak enchantment or Juggernaut+Thor like powers/Serpent's enchantment(according to the Watcher in History Of The Marvel Universe).That's a lot of power wielded by Kuurth if that is the case.Take Thing who became Angrir breaker of stone.He gave Red Hulk(class 100) a severe beating.Regular Thing would be reduced to pebbles by Red Hulk in a normal fight.I think the only way to even hurt Kuurth+Cytorrak's enchantment is by magical means.And Superman no matter how Sun dipped wont succeed in knocking out Worthy Jugs.Unless someone could make an argument that Sun dipped Superman can overcome the enchantment of the Serpent's+Cytorrak's enchantment.Otherwise, Clark needs to find another way or approach to defeat Worthy Jugs.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Igniz
So how come the debate here shifted to Sun dipped Superman Vs P5 Colossunaut?The name of the thread is Sun dipped Superman Vs Worthy Juggernaut.And with the "Worthy Juggernaut" in the title of this thread, I would assume that this is Kuurth+Juggernaut powers/Cytorrak enchantment or Juggernaut+Thor like powers/Serpent's enchantment(according to the Watcher in History Of The Marvel Universe).That's a lot of power wielded by Kuurth if that is the case.Take Thing who became Angrir breaker of stone.He gave Red Hulk(class 100) a severe beating.Regular Thing would be reduced to pebbles by Red Hulk in a normal fight.I think the only way to even hurt Kuurth+Cytorrak's enchantment is by magical means.And Superman no matter how Sun dipped wont succeed in knocking out Worthy Jugs.Unless someone could make an argument that Sun dipped Superman can overcome the enchantment of the Serpent's+Cytorrak's enchantment.Otherwise, Clark needs to find another way or approach to defeat Worthy Jugs.
Or we going to assume Worthy Juggernaut is above anybody else based upon a fight with a loser rulk and Angrir? Superman while sundipped would've KILLED a universal abstract in Worloggog Vera Black with one punch.

Superman's other sundip which was less than one minute was enough to kill Worloggog Vera Black.

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/16818923_Untitled-Scanned-10.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/16818931_Untitled-Scanned-13.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/16818933_Untitled-Scanned-14.jpg

Worloggog had seen it previously in her vision.

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/16818939_Untitled-Scanned-06.jpg

While previously she no sold a full on superman attack.

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/16818924_Untitled-Scanned-11.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/16818929_Untitled-Scanned-12_2.jpg

I'd imagine that's suffice to KTFO a weakened juggernaut+serpent's enchantment. After all we saw Colossus+Full juggernaut power+P5 get KTFO with much less power. And no, Red Hulk wouldn't reduce Thing to pebbles. His two fights with Thing are stalemates and neither is there a rule that only magic can affect Juggernaut. GTFO with that BS. Merged Hulk dropped Juggy to his knees with a punch.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsAvengers64.jpg

Thor has beat the shit out of him in less than one minute. Captain Universe beat him blue and black and sent his ass into coma. Onslaught oneshotted his ass. None of these were magical attacks and none of these are as powerful as sundipped superman.

emporerpants
Well, that sums that up. Supes wins.

Igniz
Originally posted by abhilegend
Or we going to assume Worthy Juggernaut is above anybody else based upon a fight with a loser rulk and Angrir? Superman while sundipped would've KILLED a universal abstract in Worloggog Vera Black with one punch.

Superman's other sundip which was less than one minute was enough to kill Worloggog Vera Black.


Worloggog had seen it previously in her vision.



While previously she no sold a full on superman attack.



I'd imagine that's suffice to KTFO a weakened juggernaut+serpent's enchantment. After all we saw Colossus+Full juggernaut power+P5 get KTFO with much less power. And no, Red Hulk wouldn't reduce Thing to pebbles. His two fights with Thing are stalemates and neither is there a rule that only magic can affect Juggernaut. GTFO with that BS. Merged Hulk dropped Juggy to his knees with a punch.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsAvengers64.jpg

Thor has beat the shit out of him in less than one minute. Captain Universe beat him blue and black and sent his ass into coma. Onslaught oneshotted his ass. None of these were magical attacks and none of these are as powerful as sundipped superman.

I need to seem more scans of the Worloggog Vera Black scene for context.As for the scan of Merge Hulk dropping Jugs, I'm not sure, but people(Juggernaut fans in particular) have always pointed out Jugs was depowered or something during this time.I do know Cain has a history of pissing off Cyttorak.Unless we say Merged Hulk>>>>World War Hulk=fully powered Juggernaut big grin Juggernaut fans and World War Hulk fans would scream biatch at you laughing

Thor temporarily undid Juggernaut's enchantment in their fight.As for Captain Universe, Spiderman w/ Captain Universe powers was stated to be the most powerful hero in the Marvel 1990's cards.So it still makes sense that Captain Universe can affect Juggernaut.I should have added Cosmical as another way to harm Jugs.This is Onslaught you're talking about.He later imprisons Juggernaut within the Crimson Gem of Cyttorak and defeats the X-Men.I don't think Cain was depowered during the time he was Kuurth.Here's a scan where Magik and Colossus visits Cyttorak to report Cain as being a traitor.You can see Cytorrak was happy at first.A happy Cytorrak means Cain is at full power.Until Magik pointed out the scriptures(I'll admit this one is funny)laughing out loud

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/5/56904/2044259-uncanny_x_men__542.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/130350/2838031-uxm_542_oroboros_cps_016.jpg

As for the Colossunaut P5 and Magik P5 scene.Magik is the mistress of limbo.So she's packing a bit of power of her own.I think she later removed Colossus from being an avatar of Cytorrak.

carver9
The Vera black Scene does have context.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
The Vera black Scene does have context.

? Been a while since I read JLE...

emporerpants
And what is the context?

abhilegend
Originally posted by Igniz
I need to seem more scans of the Worloggog Vera Black scene for context. That's all there is. Vera then retroactively erased that segment of time from reality so that the punch was never landed but the intent was quite clear that Superman would've killed her in one punch. They are flat out lying. Cain was fully powered there. Like anybody cares.

big grin:

He only removed his force field. When the sixty seconds were up, only his force field came back.


http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/JuggernautvsThor6.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/JuggernautvsThor7.jpg

You're citing cards as proof now?

facepalm

Hahahaha. That was Onslaught with the powers of Magneto and Xavier only. He grew in power later on. Yeah he was. Cyttorak stripped him of much of his powers when he repaired a city as Captain universe and then he joined Thunderbolts where Hyperion beat the shit out of him. Here was his power level when he received worthy hammer.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/panther/hypejug1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/panther/hypejug2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/panther/hypejug3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/panther/hypejug4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/panther/hypejug5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/panther/hypejug6.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/panther/hypejug7.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/panther/hypejug8.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/panther/hypejug9.jpg

Wut? Did you read the scans at all? All it says that Cain had the power of both Cyttorak and Serpent. However Cyttorak had already weakened him, so Kuurth doesn't gets the feats of classic Juggernaut. Its simple as that.

And that has nothing to do with the topic. That was only shown to prove that a juggernaut can be KOED especially someone like Kuurth who was only opposed by people below normal superman much less s

abhilegend
The context in Vera's scene is that Vera turned time back so that the punch never landed. The intent and the omniscient nature of worloogog was crystal clear that the punch would kill her. Carver just likes to run his mouth.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
? Been a while since I read JLE...

She was hit by an attack with unlimited mass and acceleration and was injured by it...badly. This happened before the Superman punch.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/snapshot15_zps5b84b7cf.jpg.html?sort=9&o=163

I have the scan of the next page but photobucket is acting retarded right now but after this attack, she was oozing energy everywhere, mainly from her stomach area where the attack hit. Her body tried to reverse the affect but it was pretty much the end. I will keep tampering with photo bucket so that I can post the scan of the injury if you want.

Pillow Biter
I don't think SSJ Supes was really at LT or Multiversal level. Above Skyfather--significantly so. But not smashing universes with a punch.

How powerful does one need to be to beat Worthy Juggernaut, though?

abhilegend
How many times do I have to correct you carver? Batman didn't take her "injury" in account when he said Superman would kill her, neither did Batgirl and neither did Worloggog herself. Worloggog was hurt, not badly, not life threatening or anything which you are trying to paint it so. I mean come the **** on, I've silenced you half a dozen times on this now.

emporerpants
So the Supes lowballing continues I see. Supes wins.

carver9
I know ABHI is talking but if he can show me one scan of it being stated she healed from the universal attack she was hit by in my scan, then I will concede. After said attack, it was even stated multiples of times that she was weakened and needed to be taken out ASAP. Her physical makeup was even changing after this attack and again, she was oozing energy from the wound.

carver9
Originally posted by emporerpants
So the Supes lowballing continues I see. Supes wins.

Not lowballing, just speaking the truth.

abhilegend
Originally posted by emporerpants
So the Supes lowballing continues I see. Supes wins.

Yup. This scan is from two issues before the fight. Do you see Flash attacking and destroying Worloggog as she sees the future?

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16818939/Untitled-Scanned-06.jpg.html

I don't. You need gamma glasses to do that.

jaxthejester
If she is seeing the true/canon future- would that not encompass the injury she suffered as well?

There was nothing in that scan that showed a lack of injury during her premonition...

jaxthejester
Unless I'm missing something out of context? sad

abhilegend
Originally posted by jaxthejester
If she is seeing the true/canon future- would that not encompass the injury she suffered as well?

There was nothing in that scan that showed a lack of injury during her premonition...
That "injury" was for just a moment. Worloggog "rebooted" Vera's system just after that.

http://i.imgur.com/YwwbuJ1.jpg

The injury was more like curiosity for her than anything else.

http://i.imgur.com/tgZoHmj.jpg

"Is this what feels like to live?" Any attempt to lowball superman's power by such a sad tactic is ****ing pathetic. Its carver though.

carver9
Originally posted by jaxthejester
If she is seeing the true/canon future- would that not encompass the injury she suffered as well?

There was nothing in that scan that showed a lack of injury during her premonition...

Yes...the injury was included which is the reason this took place...

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/snapshot17_zps5dc0ba4f.jpg.html?sort=9&o=171

She was done for and this explosion resorted in everything going back to normal due to her injury, due to her being unable to fight. Which was the reason for the hero's gathering to take her out ASAP.

abhilegend
Hahaha, oh god. The good ol' lowballing. That's not why she changed time nor she was done for Carter. I already posted the scene. Honestly SHUT THE **** UP.

quanchi112
Originally posted by abhilegend
Hahaha, oh god. The good ol' lowballing. That's not why she changed time nor she was done for Carter. I already posted the scene. Honestly SHUT THE **** UP. Juggernaut wins.

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