Death Sentry vs. Gor

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byrdgang21
Who wins?

Supra
Gor

jaxthejester
Is it just Gor by himself, or does he get to bring all of his war dogs to the table with him?

Epicurus
Gorr wins.

Tony Stark
DSENTRY in a stomp

celeyhyga17
Gorr

psycho gundam
Originally posted by Tony Stark
DSENTRY in a stomp lol

Drakon09
Originally posted by Tony Stark
DSENTRY in a stomp lol, no. Gor stomps.

carver9
Sentry wins.

yaadaveyaa
sentry by brutal murder

zopzop
I like Sentry and all but how does he win?

Gorr took out three Thors (one of which was at least Trans level).

carver9
Originally posted by zopzop
I like Sentry and all but how does he win?

Gorr took out three Thors (one of which was at least Trans level).

I think Thor showing against Gor is a lot better than what was shown against Sentry.

zopzop
Originally posted by carver9
I think Thor showing against Gor is a lot better than what was shown against Sentry.
But Thor had two other Thors helping him vs Gorr. Don't forget Old THor knocked Gorr for a loop then the other Thors jumped in.

Tony Stark
Originally posted by psycho gundam
lol


The TRUTH hurts

iceman24567
Gor stomps

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by carver9
Sentry wins.
How?

carver9
Originally posted by zopzop
But Thor had two other Thors helping him vs Gorr. Don't forget Old THor knocked Gorr for a loop then the other Thors jumped in.

Thor also had a long solo moment against Gor and did well..actually had the advantage against him.

zopzop
Originally posted by carver9
Thor also had a long solo moment against Gor and did well..actually had the advantage against him.
I get what you are saying but I always thought that Old Thor took the wind out of his sails with that blast that sent Gorr flying light years away.

carver9
Originally posted by zopzop
I get what you are saying but I always thought that Old Thor took the wind out of his sails with that blast that sent Gorr flying light years away.

I disagree because right after that blast, IIRC, Gor was throwing chunks of the moon at Thor. That doesn't sound like a wind taker to me.

celeyhyga17
Gorr drops a worm on Sentry's noggin.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16026621/Thor_-_God_of_Thunder_009-010.jpg.html

carver9
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Gorr drops a worm on Sentry's noggin.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16026621/Thor_-_God_of_Thunder_009-010.jpg.html

So we are in agreement that the worm that grabbed Sentry is greater than Thor entire powerset since Thor energy output and strength was unable to do a thing to Sentry, even during sneak attacks?

zopzop
Originally posted by carver9
So we are in agreement that the worm that grabbed Sentry is greater than Thor entire powerset since Thor energy output and strength was unable to do a thing to Sentry, even during sneak attacks?
LOL, good one Carver stick out tongue

As to the thread, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree (and wait and see some more from DSentry).

yaadaveyaa
hey what are the issues called from the new death sentry?

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by carver9
So we are in agreement that the worm that grabbed Sentry is greater than Thor entire powerset since Thor energy output and strength was unable to do a thing to Sentry, even during sneak attacks?
No because Thor likes to hold back especially on a former ally who he's killed already. He would hate to have to kill him again because that's really not friendly at all.

wink

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by carver9
I think Thor showing against Gor is a lot better than what was shown against Sentry.

Yea but that was Avengers Thor. Might as well be an alternate reality compared to Thor's Thor.

Supra
Originally posted by carver9
Thor also had a long solo moment against Gor and did well..actually had the advantage against him.

Can you post some scans?

carver9
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
No because Thor likes to hold back especially on a former ally who he's killed already. He would hate to have to kill him again because that's really not friendly at all.

wink

Lol.

@Supra...

Yes, I will post you some scans. One sec.

carver9
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yea but that was Avengers Thor. Might as well be an alternate reality compared to Thor's Thor.

I understand that but the only thing we have that's comparable with the two IS their fight against Thor.

Here you go Supra. As you can see, during majority of Thor and Gor scuffle, Thor had the advantage.

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16026624_Thor_-_God_of_Thunder_009-012.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16026625_Thor_-_God_of_Thunder_009-013.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16026626_Thor_-_God_of_Thunder_009-014.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16026627_Thor_-_God_of_Thunder_009-015.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16026628_Thor_-_God_of_Thunder_009-016.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16026629_Thor_-_God_of_Thunder_009-017.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16026630_Thor_-_God_of_Thunder_009-018.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16026631_Thor_-_God_of_Thunder_009-019.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16026632_Thor_-_God_of_Thunder_009-020.jpg

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by carver9
I understand that but the only thing we have that's comparable with the two IS their fight against Thor.

Here you go Supra. As you can see, during majority of Thor and Gor scuffle, Thor had the advantage.

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16026624_Thor_-_God_of_Thunder_009-012.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16026625_Thor_-_God_of_Thunder_009-013.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16026626_Thor_-_God_of_Thunder_009-014.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16026627_Thor_-_God_of_Thunder_009-015.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16026628_Thor_-_God_of_Thunder_009-016.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16026629_Thor_-_God_of_Thunder_009-017.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16026630_Thor_-_God_of_Thunder_009-018.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16026631_Thor_-_God_of_Thunder_009-019.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16026632_Thor_-_God_of_Thunder_009-020.jpg
How does Thor have the advantage? Anyways it's a moot point since we know that he all but killed Avenger Thor, Young Thor, and All-father Thor in the sun.

carver9
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
How does Thor have the advantage? Anyways it's a moot point since we know that he all but killed Avenger Thor, Young Thor, and All-father Thor in the sun.

Huh? Thor was working Gor during that scene. We don't even have a definitive on Sentry limits since he has as of yet to go all out. He has been toying around with Thor while giving speeches and 'letting him live'.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by carver9
Huh? Thor was working Gor during that scene. We don't even have a definitive on Sentry limits since he has as of yet to go all out. He has been toying around with Thor while giving speeches and 'letting him live'.
And u think Thor was unleashed in Uncanny Avengers?

carver9
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
And u think Thor was unleashed in Uncanny Avengers?

He caved Sentrys head and brain in, not knowing if he would live through it. That alone answers your question.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by carver9
He caved Sentrys head and brain in, not knowing if he would live through it. That alone answers your question.
You got it wrong. Wasp melted off half the skin on his face then he split his head in two reveling his brain.

That's when Thor pounded his head area into the ground.

Mr.SunKing
Gor

carver9
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
You got it wrong. Wasp melted off half the skin on his face then he split his head in two reveling his brain.

That's when Thor pounded his head area into the ground.

That doesn't change a thing I said. The holding back thing was thrown out the window when Thor tried to kill Sentry.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by carver9
I understand that but the only thing we have that's comparable with the two IS their fight against Thor.


I'm not saying it doesn't count or anything. I'm just saying you're generally dealing with an entirely different level of Thor. I mean, technically Superior Venom hits arguably harder then Thanos or Death Sentry but you know, he doesn't, not even close. Not saying it's comparable, Uncanny Avengers Thor is pretty powerful I think and there's a difference between Thor looking bad and Thor facing an enemy who's just on a different level. Still doesn't mean Death Sentry does anything more then get tentacle raped here though. Modern Thor was giving Gorr a hell of a workout but Gorr beat 3 Thor's, one of whom I'd place above Sentry by himself. Even if we want to treat the appearances as exactly equal, Gorr is still flat out more impressive.

jaxthejester
Gorr was also highly reliant upon the use of his War Dogs and the life force of captured gods (he mass power absorbed to take them three Thor's on).

So...

Does Gorr have prep and goons in this bit?

Or is it "just" Gorr by his lonesome?

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by carver9
That doesn't change a thing I said. The holding back thing was thrown out the window when Thor tried to kill Sentry.
Nah.. He knows Sentry can take a lick and keep on ticking.


Originally posted by jaxthejester
Gorr was also highly reliant upon the use of his War Dogs and the life force of captured gods (he mass power absorbed to take them three Thor's on).

So...

Does Gorr have prep and goons in this bit?

Or is it "just" Gorr by his lonesome?
Those black berserkers are part of him/his weapon. That's part of the Annihiblade's capabilities.

carver9
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Nah.. He knows Sentry can take a lick and keep on ticking.



Those black berserkers are part of him/his weapon. That's part of the Annihiblade's capabilities.

So he knew Sentry would reform from having his brain crushed in? I'll like to see you prove that one buddy.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by carver9
So he knew Sentry would reform from having his brain crushed in? I'll like to see you prove that one buddy.
He didn't know Deathtry would recover so fast.

And what has Deathtry done that's more impressive than Gorr's run?

carver9
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He didn't know Deathtry would recover so fast.

And what has Deathtry done that's more impressive than Gorr's run?

Treat Thor like a nuicance 3 times. Hell, his flight speed nearly took the fight out of Thor. I just think an argument can be made on the both of them.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by carver9
Treat Thor like a nuicance 3 times. Hell, his flight speed nearly took the fight out of Thor. I just think an argument can be made on the both of them.
So his flight speed is indicative of how Thor deals with ftl travel like when Thor himself flies multiple speeds of light all the frikkin
time? Btw, getting disoriented does not suddenly mean the fight is taken out of someone..
laughing out loud

Also pretty sure Deathtry had his hands on Thor's neck in that scene. And didn't they meet like only 2x?

Tony Stark
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
No because Thor likes to hold back especially on a former ally who he's killed already. He would hate to have to kill him again because that's really not friendly at all.

wink



Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight...

carver9
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
So his flight speed is indicative of how Thor deals with ftl travel like when Thor himself flies multiple speeds of light all the frikkin
time? Btw, getting disoriented does not suddenly mean the fight is taken out of someone..
laughing out loud

Also pretty sure Deathtry had his hands on Thor's neck in that scene. And didn't they meet like only 2x?

Wasn't it stated that Sentry flight disoriented him? Never said anything about Sentry holding on to Thors neck had anything to do with anything. No, they met 3 times. He koed Thor once by punching him with planet shaking power. Thor woke up and came back blasting and got koed again by Sentry 'rip my face off death blast'. Thor shows up again and smash Sentrys brain and gets taken out yet again with ease until he is saved by the worm. So yeah, that's 3 times.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by carver9
Wasn't it stated that Sentry flight disoriented him? Never said anything about Sentry holding on to Thors neck had anything to do with anything. No, they met 3 times. He koed Thor once by punching him with planet shaking power. Thor woke up and came back blasting and got koed again by Sentry 'rip my face off death blast'. Thor shows up again and smash Sentrys brain and gets taken out yet again with ease until he is saved by the worm. So yeah, that's 3 times.
Wrong again.
Sentry choking Thor then flying him ftl for a dive bomb =/= Sentry grabbing Thor then flying him ftp for a dive bomb.

Again we've been at this same issue in a different thread. Thor was not KO'd from the dive bomb as you claim. He even asked Deathtry if the void has completely taken over him right after the dive bomb. You are mistaking 1 event for 2. I think its due to the fact that it was separated in 2 issues.

One-Punch
Gorr wins.

eaebiakuya
Originally posted by carver9
I think Thor showing against Gor is a lot better than what was shown against Sentry.

But against Sentry Thor was not in a place with no people around. The only reason he did his "wordbreakers" hits was because he tought they were alone in a planet. When he noticed there was a MOON with people close to then, Thor STOPED to hit in the same second.

Against Sentry they were in a planet with billions of people. And in second fight Wasp was close to Thor. He was unable to strike with full strengh.

carver9
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
But against Sentry Thor was not in a place with no people around. The only reason he did his "wordbreakers" hits was because he tought they were alone in a planet. When he noticed there was a MOON with people close to then, Thor STOPED to hit in the same second.

Against Sentry they were in a planet with billions of people. And in second fight Wasp was close to Thor. He was unable to strike with full strengh.


He caved Sentry brains/head in. confused

Damborgson
Thor wasn't holding back against Death Sentry. He splattered his brains with a diving charge.

Also, being suffocated tends to disorient you Carver. They don't need to specifically point it out for it to be true.

That said:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101942/3198053-gafwkxjx.jpg

The Sentry was traveling at dangerous speeds, he bent time and space with them. But he isn't bound by a mortal body anymore, his flesh doesn't mean a thing to him. That Thor withstood it with only mild disorientation is a feat itself.

Branlor Swift
Sentry basically karate chopped Thor in the neck while he was moving at extreme speeds.

And with Sentry's hands being so durable, there's really no difference between him having his fists closed or open.

carver9
Originally posted by Damborgson
Thor wasn't holding back against Death Sentry. He splattered his brains with a diving charge.

Also, being suffocated tends to disorient you Carver. They don't need to specifically point it out for it to be true.

That said:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101942/3198053-gafwkxjx.jpg

The Sentry was traveling at dangerous speeds, he bent time and space with them. But he isn't bound by a mortal body anymore, his flesh doesn't mean a thing to him. That Thor withstood it with only mild disorientation is a feat itself.

Its stated in the scan what disoriented Thor. Nothing was said about the choke.

Damborgson
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Sentry basically karate chopped Thor in the neck while he was moving at extreme speeds.

And with Sentry's hands being so durable, there's really no difference between him having his fists closed or open.


Originally posted by carver9
Never said anything about Sentry holding on to Thors neck had anything to do with anything.

get off

Damborgson
Originally posted by carver9
Its stated in the scan what disoriented Thor. Nothing was said about the choke.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/628/images3jj.jpg

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eaebiakuya
Originally posted by carver9
He caved Sentry brains/head in. confused

This is not equal to hit with ALL strengh. He made pretty clear that he dont hit with all strengh with people arround.

Thats why he was more impressive against Gorr.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by carver9
Hell, his flight speed nearly took the fight out of Thor.
Ok fine... Let's just forget the Sentry choke.

How does being disoriented for a brief time nearly take the fight out of Thor?

You saying that it sapped his energy, will to fight, strength to the point that he almost lost mainly because of it?

eaebiakuya
In the battle against Gorr, he flyed at FTL +++ speeds and was ok.

carver9
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
This is not equal to hit with ALL strengh. He made pretty clear that he dont hit with all strengh with people arround.

Thats why he was more impressive against Gorr.


Again, he caved his head completely in...nothing left. Thor was trying to kill Sentry. It doesn't matter if a planet or a building exploded because Collateral damage means very little in comics.

carver9
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Ok fine... Let's just forget the Sentry choke.

How does being disoriented for a brief time nearly take the fight out of Thor?

You saying that it sapped his energy, will to fight, strength to the point that he almost lost mainly because of it?


Naah, I just worded it wrong. It didn't take the fight out of him but it did take a toll on him. I will answer your post soon (the one before this). Give me a min.

carver9
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Wrong again.
Sentry choking Thor then flying him ftl for a dive bomb =/= Sentry grabbing Thor then flying him ftp for a dive bomb.

Again we've been at this same issue in a different thread. Thor was not KO'd from the dive bomb as you claim. He even asked Deathtry if the void has completely taken over him right after the dive bomb. You are mistaking 1 event for 2. I think its due to the fact that it was separated in 2 issues.

I never said it was the dive bomb that koed Thor, it was the punch afterwards that shook the planet that took Thor out of the fight.

The second time they fought, Sentry used tactile telekinesis and eye blasted him for the ko.

The third time they fought, Sentry had Thor in the air and was planning on finishing/killing him until the worm showed up.

eaebiakuya
Originally posted by carver9
Again, he caved his head completely in...nothing left. Thor was trying to kill Sentry. It doesn't matter if a planet or a building exploded because Collateral damage means very little in comics.

Going for the Kill is not the same to strike with all he have.

Was clear in the battle against Gorr he only strike with all he have in a place with no one close. You cant deny that.

Im not saying Thor could beat Sentry with the strike he used against Gorr. He would lose in the same way. Phisical strengh will not beat Death Sentry.

Im just saying, again, why against Gorr it was more impressive.

And you should read all God of Thunder run. Gorr owned Thor/Young Thor several times in 1x1 battles. Some times with ease.

carver9
I know he owned Thor just like Thor did well against him but you are failing to understand that collateral damage means little. The killing blow on Gor didn't even desteoy the boulders around them. Gor was hit plenty of times during that arc, even by an amped Thor and it didn't cause close to the collateral damage you are suggesting and Gor was hurt from said attack.

Damborgson
Originally posted by carver9
I never said it was the dive bomb that koed Thor, it was the punch afterwards that shook the planet that took Thor out of the fight.

The second time they fought, Sentry used tactile telekinesis and eye blasted him for the ko.

The third time they fought, Sentry had Thor in the air and was planning on finishing/killing him until the worm showed up.

That didn't KO him either, or take him out of the fight. Sentry didn't even get a chance to fly away before Mjolnir was hurtling at him.

carver9
Originally posted by Damborgson
That didn't KO him either, or take him out of the fight. Sentry didn't even get a chance to fly away before Mjolnir was hurtling at him.

Which time?

Damborgson
The first fight. They've only really had two.

abhilegend
Gorr easily.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by Damborgson
The first fight. They've only really had two.

thumb up

Golgo13
Gor destroys him.

jaxthejester
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Nah.. He knows Sentry can take a lick and keep on ticking.



Those black berserkers are part of him/his weapon. That's part of the Annihiblade's capabilities.

Creating them is, but it still takes time to make them as I understand it.

Doom can create Doom-bots as a part of how his IQ and Tech work. But we don't always allow him an army of Doom-bots in each battle.

Gorr went through various levels of back up in that run. He also relied on the power of a planet of enslaved deities to hold off the Thor(s).
He drained them dead as I recall. That seems more of a boost than a norm to me.

Igniz
I'd like to see Death Sentry take on Thors the way Gorr didhttp://images.killermovies.com/forums/custom_avatars/avatar93844_12.gif

jaxthejester
Originally posted by Igniz
I'd like to see Death Sentry take on Thors the way Gorr didhttp://images.killermovies.com/forums/custom_avatars/avatar93844_12.gif

My cash would be on the Thors. big grin

Tony Stark
Originally posted by Golgo13
Gor destroys him.




confused eek! laughing laughing out loud rolling on floor laughing sick

Drakon09
Gor wins

Sin I AM
Gorr is on another level

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by jaxthejester
Creating them is, but it still takes time to make them as I understand it.

Doom can create Doom-bots as a part of how his IQ and Tech work. But we don't always allow him an army of Doom-bots in each battle.

Gorr went through various levels of back up in that run. He also relied on the power of a planet of enslaved deities to hold off the Thor(s).
He drained them dead as I recall. That seems more of a boost than a norm to me.
Huh? The most current Gorr was already at a level that allowed him to create black berserkers instantly and at will. It's a part of his powerset.

It's true he did amp himself with more godblood, but you forget he was multitasking to such an incredible degree when he fought the three Thors. He not only was in control of countless black berserkers, but the planet itself was created from the Annihiblade.

Tony Stark
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Gorr is on another level


Gor is on another level of someone that out MM'd MM and one shotted THOR with HV? Mmmmmmmmmmk

nwg202
Gor

the Darkone
Gor butchers Sentry

jaxthejester
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Huh? The most current Gorr was already at a level that allowed him to create black berserkers instantly and at will. It's a part of his powerset.

It's true he did amp himself with more godblood, but you forget he was multitasking to such an incredible degree when he fought the three Thors. He not only was in control of countless black berserkers, but the planet itself was created from the Annihiblade.

No doubt.

But Doom, also in his most current showings, has an entire army that he could bring to a fight. Much like Gorr did when the Thors came hunting for him. If you washed up on the shores of Latveria and started gunning for Doom, you would likewise have to fight through his legions to get to him. Much like Gorr, it took Doom time to create that army. Doom cannot instantly "re-create his army" if it is destroyed. This distinguishes it from a typical everyday power. And Gorr's armies were essentially the same. I agree that Annihiblade was a part of Gorr's power-set. But by the same note, Tech and the Genius are a rightful part of Doom's as well.

That said- I'm not blind to the fact that Gorr used his pets more consistently than Doom used his robotics. And I do think this behavior should allow Gorr some form of an entourage of pets, but I do not believe that it warrants allowing Gorr access to his entire army of created warriors during a typical random "vs. match" encounter. Just as I do not believe that Doom should be allowed access to his entire army in a typical encounter.

(Mainly because neither man brings that size of a crew with them 24/7. Armies tend to stay at home and only come into play when the villains home-fronts are threatened. Bosses tend to run with a much smaller entourage when just roaming about.)

Either way though; I'm good with whatever the Thread Creators intent was. That was the main reason for my question.

I didn't forget Gorr was multi-tasking. It was damn impressive. But it's also impossible to quantify how much stress this put on his power set. He appeared to be handling it just fine until Skyfather Thor whammied him across the Universe.

And in the end, I just don't see multi tasking stress equal to the incredible power boost he received by juicing an entire World of gods to super charge himself. Point being simply that it was not just Gorr's own power level alone that allowed him to get the better of the three Thors.

wink

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by jaxthejester
No doubt.

But Doom, also in his most current showings, has an entire army that he could bring to a fight. Much like Gorr did when the Thors came hunting for him. If you washed up on the shores of Latveria and started gunning for Doom, you would likewise have to fight through his legions to get to him. Much like Gorr, it took Doom time to create that army. Doom cannot instantly "re-create his army" if it is destroyed. This distinguishes it from a typical everyday power. And Gorr's armies were essentially the same. I agree that Annihiblade was a part of Gorr's power-set. But by the same note, Tech and the Genius are a rightful part of Doom's as well.

That said- I'm not blind to the fact that Gorr used his pets more consistently than Doom used his robotics. And I do think this behavior should allow Gorr some form of an entourage of pets, but I do not believe that it warrants allowing Gorr access to his entire army of created warriors during a typical random "vs. match" encounter. Just as I do not believe that Doom should be allowed access to his entire army in a typical encounter.

(Mainly because neither man brings that size of a crew with them 24/7. Armies tend to stay at home and only come into play when the villains home-fronts are threatened. Bosses tend to run with a much smaller entourage when just roaming about.)

Either way though; I'm good with whatever the Thread Creators intent was. That was the main reason for my question.

I didn't forget Gorr was multi-tasking. It was damn impressive. But it's also impossible to quantify how much stress this put on his power set. He appeared to be handling it just fine until Skyfather Thor whammied him across the Universe.

And in the end, I just don't see multi tasking stress equal to the incredible power boost he received by juicing an entire World of gods to super charge himself. Point being simply that it was not just Gorr's own power level alone that allowed him to get the better of the three Thors.

wink
Again Gorr's access to his black berserkers is not the same as Doom's access to his Doombots. It's part of his base powerset. He creates them instantly and at will. He can create a small army in less time than it takes someone to tie their shoelaces.

http://www.comicsprime.be/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Thor-God-of-Thunder-009-005-1024x787.jpg

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2811/11996158813_58aca0a1f6_b.jpg

ODG
Originally posted by jaxthejester
I didn't forget Gorr was multi-tasking. It was damn impressive. But it's also impossible to quantify how much stress this put on his power set. He appeared to be handling it just fine until Skyfather Thor whammied him across the Universe.

And in the end, I just don't see multi tasking stress equal to the incredible power boost he received by juicing an entire World of gods to super charge himself. Point being simply that it was not just Gorr's own power level alone that allowed him to get the better of the three Thors.

wink Does anybody else think that Gorr used the godblood in that scene to create the black wyrm that held Thor and King Thor at bay for awhile until it was completely destroyed rather than amp his personal being?

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by jaxthejester
Creating them is, but it still takes time to make them as I understand it.

Doom can create Doom-bots as a part of how his IQ and Tech work. But we don't always allow him an army of Doom-bots in each battle.

Gorr went through various levels of back up in that run. He also relied on the power of a planet of enslaved deities to hold off the Thor(s).
He drained them dead as I recall. That seems more of a boost than a norm to me.

Not really. He can create them or summon them back instantly. It's not at all similar to Doom and his Doombots.

Whatever the boost he received, its part of his power now as the weapon feeds on the power of Gods so it's an irrelevant distinction.

Bentley
If you can summon resources that are actually yours you should be able to use it. Kang can summon futuristic weapons and robots from the time-stream, I don't see how that differs with Gorr bringing godlings into the fight.

jaxthejester
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Not really. He can create them or summon them back instantly. It's not at all similar to Doom and his Doombots.

Whatever the boost he received, its part of his power now as the weapon feeds on the power of Gods so it's an irrelevant distinction.

This seems off to me, Rage. I never read anything specifically stating that he could just up and summon them back instantly after they were destroyed. Do you have a scan stating this?

It sounds very contrary to the story I recall reading...

If he could just summon them back instantly; why didn't he summon a legion of them to help him against the Three Thors when they were thrashing him towards the end? They should have been dogged by the hordes non-stop for the entire battle if Gorr always had them available and "on tap" (so to speak).

And the last part I do not agree with... he drained that planet full of Gods as a 1-shot emergency boost to battle the Thors. He killed them in the process, as I recall. That is not a Feat that he can simply re-produce at will. Unless you are saying the Gorr should always be thought of as walking around at "I just ate a world full of Gods" as his norm now?

I suppose his power set could technically qualify this deduction. But I don't really see him that way, TBH. He only held that power boost for a single moment out of his entire run. Weighed against his vast lifespan and total of his showings; this one moment doesn't seem adequate to justify a permanent alteration of his typical walking power level. Granted, I am assuming writer intent here (but in this case, I think it's warranted to examine it)... The plot line lead me to believe that the writer intended Gorr to pull that power to "boost himself in the moment" as a plot device designed to catch him up with the Thors only, rather than to permanently alter him forever to that status as the new walking norm for his power level.

And technically, his most recent showing (if we are going purely by comic timeline) is depowered and broken right before the end of his run.
But I wouldn't call this his norm either. I think the total of his showings should be weighed personally.

My two cents anyway.

jaxthejester
Originally posted by Bentley
If you can summon resources that are actually yours you should be able to use it. Kang can summon futuristic weapons and robots from the time-stream, I don't see how that differs with Gorr bringing godlings into the fight.

Nothing is wrong with it. I just don't find it the norm. Does Kang start every battle with a horde of robots?

That's the kicker for me.

jaxthejester
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Again Gorr's access to his black berserkers is not the same as Doom's access to his Doombots. It's part of his base powerset. He creates them instantly and at will. He can create a small army in less time than it takes someone to tie their shoelaces.

http://www.comicsprime.be/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Thor-God-of-Thunder-009-005-1024x787.jpg

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2811/11996158813_58aca0a1f6_b.jpg

That scan is actually in-line with how I view Gorr. An entourage of beasts. That was far from his whole army. big grin

jaxthejester
Originally posted by ODG
Does anybody else think that Gorr used the godblood in that scene to create the black wyrm that held Thor and King Thor at bay for awhile until it was completely destroyed rather than amp his personal being?

That's... actually a good question. I had not considered it. confused

Bentley
Originally posted by jaxthejester
Nothing is wrong with it. I just don't find it the norm. Does Kang start every battle with a horde of robots?

That's the kicker for me.

In any battle Kang won't allow to get them inmediately but will always be able to summon them. The fact that Gorr summons his godlings faster is not a deal breaker.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by jaxthejester
That scan is actually in-line with how I view Gorr. An entourage of beasts. That was far from his whole army. big grin
Seriously you don't think he can create a much larger number of black berserkers? He had full control of countless berserkers in his planet. The whole damned planet was made from the Annihiblade fer cryin out loud.

Why are we even stuck on this point?

jaxthejester
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Seriously you don't think he can create a much larger number of black berserkers? He had full control of countless berserkers in his planet. The whole damned planet was made from the Annihiblade fer cryin out loud.

Why are we even stuck on this point?

For the second question, mainly because nice folks like yourself continue to reply. wink

For the first- if he could summon any number at will, then why didn't he utterly SWARM the Thors rather than just sending out a few beasts?

The implication of saying that Gorr has limitless beasts on tap is that he would thus send said armies against Death Sentry in this match up. But as shown, on panel, such was not the behavior pattern that we saw from Gorr during his match with the Thors (who, according to the general consensus on this thread, were an even greater threat to his well being than Death Sentry is)... so why didn't Thor swarm them?

There are only three solid reasons that I can think of:

1. He couldn't. Because he does not have limitless hordes on tap. Thus reinforcing my contention/question on the subject.
2. He wouldn't. Because of CIS, in which case it is also unlikely that DS would be facing all of his armies.
3. He wasn't allowed to. Because of PIS, in which case we have no real way to gauge what his true power-set capabilities and/or mental behavior limitations truly are (in regards to army summoning/creation) when he's threated by a potentially greater force than himself.

...so yes, I do find it a valid question to ask.

But no, you do not need to continue to personally reply if you find the subject to be a taxing conversation.

smile

jaxthejester
Originally posted by Bentley
In any battle Kang won't allow to get them inmediately but will always be able to summon them. The fact that Gorr summons his godlings faster is not a deal breaker.

I haven't read many battle threads where Kang wins by summoning a limitless horde of goons to swarm his foe FTW.

That's the primary difference for me. If I'm wrong, and such threads exist (and have solid backing/consensus), then please post links to them and I'll be happy to concede the point.

But as it stands, I do believe it is a fair analogy.

ODG
Originally posted by jaxthejester
I haven't read many battle threads where Kang wins by summoning a limitless horde of goons to swarm his foe FTW.

That's the primary difference for me. If I'm wrong, and such threads exist (and have solid backing/consensus), then please post links to them and I'll be happy to concede the point.

But as it stands, I do believe it is a fair analogy. That's actually more Immortus' schtick with his Army of the Ages, but Kang's done it too on a more limited scale. His Legion of the Unliving, his war against Ultron, the current storyline in Remender's Ragnarok Now arc, etc.

Bentley
As ODG just said, Immortus is much more of a "let's just spam armies ftw" than Kang is. Since they use rather similar tech it'd be possible -though not in character, apparently- for Kang to send hordes of robots.

There are other examples of characters that can summon armies under their own powerset such as Jackie Estacado.

I do understand your concern, as there are some limitations to summons explicitly stated in the forum rules.

Igniz
Originally posted by jaxthejester
For the second question, mainly because nice folks like yourself continue to reply. wink

For the first- if he could summon any number at will, then why didn't he utterly SWARM the Thors rather than just sending out a few beasts?

The implication of saying that Gorr has limitless beasts on tap is that he would thus send said armies against Death Sentry in this match up. But as shown, on panel, such was not the behavior pattern that we saw from Gorr during his match with the Thors (who, according to the general consensus on this thread, were an even greater threat to his well being than Death Sentry is)... so why didn't Thor swarm them?

There are only three solid reasons that I can think of:

1. He couldn't. Because he does not have limitless hordes on tap. Thus reinforcing my contention/question on the subject.
2. He wouldn't. Because of CIS, in which case it is also unlikely that DS would be facing all of his armies.
3. He wasn't allowed to. Because of PIS, in which case we have no real way to gauge what his true power-set capabilities and/or mental behavior limitations truly are (in regards to army summoning/creation) when he's threated by a potentially greater force than himself.

...so yes, I do find it a valid question to ask.

But no, you do not need to continue to personally reply if you find the subject to be a taxing conversation.

smile

Still, celehyga17 posted an example of Gorr summoning black beatiess.If I'm not mistaken, Gorr had already spent his powers creating the God Bomb.So he might not have been at peak when he summoned those black beasties on the Thors.I think King Thor once mentioned Gorr's army even overwhelmed Asgard(Future).But you know who I find closer to Gorr in summoning armies?The Guy I had in mind is actually inferior.Yet he can also summon armies of demons because its part of his power set.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/Blackheart/BH1stBattle5.jpg

cool I think this is much closer to what Gorr did since Blackheart's power set includes summoning demons.So Gorr is allowed to summon his army in this fight since its part of his power set.Death Sentry dies in the end.

Branlor Swift
Gorr was using his army to watch over the countless Gods he enslaved. And with a command he had them kill enough Gods to create a serpent that ensnared King Thor and Thor. After the serpent fell, Gorr seemingly reabsorbed it judging from his ability to beat all the Thors at once after almost getting one shotted by King Thor.
Also, he didn't need to absorb the Black berserkers either. He won. And absorbing them wouldn't have helped him with Thor absorbing the God Bomb either. That's a non point.

He was also creating random constructs all throughout the end too. Stairs. Cages mixed with Gods, etc. Everything in there was his power. Everything came from him. It'd be like saying that a GL can't make constructs in a forum setting.

Here he can summon a massive army from across many galaxies:
http://i59.tinypic.com/2q3vkfo.jpg

http://i58.tinypic.com/30rs950.jpg
http://i57.tinypic.com/34pduo6.jpg

His power must have grown considerably since he's now able to make constructs (this is the same construct that used to be a chain, that Thor BROKE, and then it transformed into a BB):
http://i60.tinypic.com/5lrlw4.jpg

All this is attributed to him. Someone has already posted him effortlessly throwing Black Berserkers at the Thor's, so we know he can effortlessly create and absorb them.

He doesn't need to create them, but it's entirely within character, and entirely his own power. Arguing that is like arguing there wasn't thousands of BB all throughout that arc.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Gorr was using his army to watch over the countless Gods he enslaved. And with a command he had them kill enough Gods to create a serpent that ensnared King Thor and Thor. After the serpent fell, Gorr seemingly reabsorbed it judging from his ability to beat all the Thors at once after almost getting one shotted by King Thor.
Also, he didn't need to absorb the Black berserkers either. He won. And absorbing them wouldn't have helped him with Thor absorbing the God Bomb either. That's a non point.

He was also creating random constructs all throughout the end too. Stairs. Cages mixed with Gods, etc. Everything in there was his power. Everything came from him. It'd be like saying that a GL can't make constructs in a forum setting.

Here he can summon a massive army from across many galaxies:
http://i59.tinypic.com/2q3vkfo.jpg

http://i58.tinypic.com/30rs950.jpg
http://i57.tinypic.com/34pduo6.jpg

His power must have grown considerably since he's now able to make constructs (this is the same construct that used to be a chain, that Thor BROKE, and then it transformed into a BB):
http://i60.tinypic.com/5lrlw4.jpg

All this is attributed to him. Someone has already posted him effortlessly throwing Black Berserkers at the Thor's, so we know he can effortlessly create and absorb them.

He doesn't need to create them, but it's entirely within character, and entirely his own power. Arguing that is like arguing there wasn't thousands of BB all throughout that arc.
And that's that..

He was commenting as if he knew the story well.

I now wonder if he even read the arc...

The comparison to summoning Doombots was lulzworthy!

jaxthejester
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
And that's that..

He was commenting as if he knew the story well.

I now wonder if he even read the arc...

The comparison to summoning Doombots was lulzworthy!

Actually, I began by asking a question.
Then I made some CIS/PIS observations regarding the nature of Gorr's summoning (which other posters have agreed were valid and fair questions to raise).

Then you got a bit riled up. Still not sure why. Thor's not fighting in this one...

Then Branlor made better points than you did; and I mostly agree with him.

Though the CIS factor is still a consideration for me.
(Like I said to another poster; if evidence were presented; I would be happy to reconsider).

...So hats off to Branlor. And a free chill pill for you. wink

jaxthejester
And yes, I read the arc.

Wanna quiz me? lol stick out tongue

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by jaxthejester
Actually, I began by asking a question.
Then I made some CIS/PIS observations regarding the nature of Gorr's summoning (which other posters have agreed were valid and fair questions to raise).

Then you got a bit riled up. Still not sure why. Thor's not fighting in this one...

Then Branlor made better points than you did; and I mostly agree with him.

Though the CIS factor is still a consideration for me.
(Like I said to another poster; if evidence were presented; I would be happy to reconsider).

...So hats off to Branlor. And a free chill pill for you. wink
Originally posted by jaxthejester
And yes, I read the arc.

Wanna quiz me? lol stick out tongue
You thought that was riled up? Erm... Folks today are too damn sensitive. Smh...

Yes. Kudos to him for posting the proper scans which you should have known about since you are apparently well versed with the arc. A scan if I may add along with those I posted, further reinforces what you couldn't properly wrap your brain around.

Oh really now? So the same basic point he stated which I've wasted my time repeating, you now suddenly agree with(?mostly?). Good for you..
big grin
Seeing as how you now changed your tune after seeing his wonderful scans (or maybe no longer deny plain'ol facts), I'm still left a bit confused as to why you were adverse to the point from the beginning.
Which now leads me to a few thoughts.

You lied about reading the story and only added to the discussions with guesstimates. Can't be that. You're not a liar.

You read the story, but decided to disagree with facts until there were enough smoking gun evidence that you can no longer deny.

Or... You read the story, but you suffer from reading incomprehension. That I can't fault you with since many a poster who frequent these boards suffer from the same malady.

Branlor Swift
I think it's my honest face that gets through to people. Whereas with Celey's face, it's more of a "Is he going to put his finger in my butt after he murders me?" type of deal.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I think it's my honest face that gets through to people. Whereas with Celey's face, it's more of a "Is he going to put his finger in my butt after he murders me?" type of deal.
You suck and I hate you for posting smoking gun evidence. Fyi I was too lazy to post those ok?!

Now he likes you more than me.

sad

carver9
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I think it's my honest face that gets through to people. Whereas with Celey's face, it's more of a "Is he going to put his finger in my butt after he murders me?" type of deal.


laughing out loud

jaxthejester
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
You thought that was riled up? Erm... Folks today are too damn sensitive. Smh...

Yes. Kudos to him for posting the proper scans which you should have known about since you are apparently well versed with the arc. A scan if I may add along with those I posted, further reinforces what you couldn't properly wrap your brain around.

Oh really now? So the same basic point he stated which I've wasted my time repeating, you now suddenly agree with(?mostly?). Good for you..
big grin
Seeing as how you now changed your tune after seeing his wonderful scans (or maybe no longer deny plain'ol facts), I'm still left a bit confused as to why you were adverse to the point from the beginning.
Which now leads me to a few thoughts.

You lied about reading the story and only added to the discussions with guesstimates. Can't be that. You're not a liar.

You read the story, but decided to disagree with facts until there were enough smoking gun evidence that you can no longer deny.

Or... You read the story, but you suffer from reading incomprehension. That I can't fault you with since many a poster who frequent these boards suffer from the same malady.

You're right...

You are a bit too sensitive about this stuff.

Need hugs? yes

You had fine points BTW. I just, honestly, don't feel that Gorr should start every fight with his entire army. Touche' on the format of reply, lol.

jaxthejester
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I think it's my honest face that gets through to people. Whereas with Celey's face, it's more of a "Is he going to put his finger in my butt after he murders me?" type of deal.

...now I don't want to give him hugs anymore. confused

ODG
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Gorr was using his army to watch over the countless Gods he enslaved. And with a command he had them kill enough Gods to create a serpent that ensnared King Thor and Thor. After the serpent fell, Gorr seemingly reabsorbed it judging from his ability to beat all the Thors at once after almost getting one shotted by King Thor. I think it could be fairly argued that Gorr just went "round two" on their a$$e$. It's rare when supervillains do it, but that's how it seemed to me. After all, Gorr hadn't been in an actual fight for millennia. Clearly he was rusty at first.

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