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Who has the better damage soak?

Cap I guess but it's close.

Cap.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/00b23b8ca51bb4f2e2f2eabd74d5ea5c/tumblr_mh3zulWWe51qga0oyo1_500.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/15776/1217359-spider_man2.jpg

Some of the beatings Spidey has taken would have killed Cap.

Some of the beatings Cap has taken would have killed Spidey.

Captain America without any questions has the by far better damage soak.
infact spiderman damage soak suck balls seriously.

Spidey is more durable. Does that count towards damage soak?

Spiderman should have more damage soak. Capt is only peak human.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Spiderman should have more damage soak. Capt is only peak human.

Now you've done it.

As for the thread, IMO its Cap, all other things being equal (so Cap doesn't have body armour etc). Combination of his heart force, HF, and natural durability. Whilst Spidey may have the edge in HF (debatable), it's close enough to not be a massive edge.

Yes, Spidey has a heart force too, but Cap trumps it IMO. Have the two of them stand side by side, and have Beast punch each of them over and over again.....Spidey would fall first.

I don't think Cap could have taken that beating Colossus gave Spidey.

Originally posted by KingD19
I don't think Cap could have taken that beating Colossus gave Spidey.

Could Spidey have taken a point blank shot from Gambit?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
http://24.media.tumblr.com/00b23b8ca51bb4f2e2f2eabd74d5ea5c/tumblr_mh3zulWWe51qga0oyo1_500.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/15776/1217359-spider_man2.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/63VlwAX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bJ24UYc.jpg

Nobody can match Spidey in that regard. He's the best at what he does.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Could Spidey have taken a point blank shot from Gambit?
Hah, have you ever seen Spidey taking on a herald?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hah, have you ever seen Spidey taking on a herald?

Irrelevant.

Gambit has taken out Gladiator before.

Obviously, Cap's damage soak > Spiderman > Gladiator.

Spidey has tanked lasers. A laser took out Gladiator.

Spidey>>Lasers>>Gladiator

Didn't Spidet get bumrushed there?

Originally posted by red sabre
Captain America without any questions has the by far better damage soak.
infact spiderman damage soak suck balls seriously. You should be banned for that amount of ignorance. Captain America has substantial armor and he still isn't as durable.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Captain America has substantial armor and he still isn't as durable.

Armour won't protect him from Gambit - in fact, it was his armour that exploded next to his skin. So if anything, the durability/hardness of his armour would count substantially for his durability (imagine have a sheet of metal explode next to your skin vs a sheet of paper).

Also, he's taken laser blasts to the unarmoured face before (am sure you've seen it).

He is not more durable than Spider-Man. This is obvious. He has armor and he still isn't. What is with you guys and Captain America? It's honestly starting to creep me out a lil.

What is it with you and Cap hate? You're a nazi?

Is durability a part of damage soak? Or as I who can bleed longer and not die?

The latter.

Originally posted by namorsubby
You should be banned for that amount of ignorance. Captain America has substantial armor and he still isn't as durable.

you should be banned for a psychopathic hatered towards a comic book character.
and for not knowing the difference between durability and damage soak...

I'm certain that Cap has better damage soak.

Originally posted by SamZED
Is durability a part of damage soak? Or as I who can bleed longer and not die?

Both.

So if I cause X amount of damage, who can take more of my punches and still ask for more.

It would be a function of HF, durability, AND heart force.

The Punisher, for example, has no HF, human level durability....but insane amounts of heart force.

The Thing has no HF, extremely high durability and heart force.

Wolverine has an extreme HF, human level durability (ignoring his bones) and some heart force.

Deadpool has an extreme HF, human durability and low heart force.

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
Didn't Spidet get bumrushed there?

Originally posted by maxivitopowe

Yes. Minutes after fighting Iron Man for a bit. And being shot up a few times. And falling out of an extremely high building, IIRC.

Would it matter?

If Colossus, amped with 1/5 of one of the universe's fundamental forces, and with the blessing of an Elder God of destruction, punches you....whether you're expecting it or not doesn't affect your durability.....

Yeah I was

So the Cap vs IM scenario played out differently to the Cap vs Spidey scenario

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
So the Cap vs IM scenario played out differently to the Cap vs Spidey scenario
Yeah. Spider-man didn't take many hits from Iron Man(He was only tackled through a wall by him, I believe), but he did get shot, take a fall out of an extremely large building, hit by one large explosion, and two smaller ones, and got drugged by Jack o Lantern.

Cap got blindsided by both Parker (using Steve's shield) and Tony, took numerous hits from the latter (plus sonics) and was still not done.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Cap got blindsided by both Parker (using Steve's shield) and Tony, took numerous hits from the latter (plus sonics) and was still not done. He looked pretty done to me when he was being carried off the field of battle by Falcon. Granted, Cap also took some damage from that explosion Hercules caused.
I'd say the damage they took was fairly close to equal, and they both had to be carried off the battlefield by another hero.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
What is it with you and Cap hate? You're a nazi? I may be a bit anti government, but he's actually one of my favorite characters. And it breaks my heart that I must play devil's advocate just to keep things fair in many of his kmc match ups.

Originally posted by namorsubby
he's actually one of my favorite characters. .

Lol yeah right give me a break. you remind me of those racist rats who always go like "dont get me wrong i got a lot of black friends" and then say some racist shit to come along with that. you go up against cap in every single thread about him. hell you were claiming batmans has stats on par with the guy

Originally posted by namorsubby
I may be a bit anti government, but he's actually one of my favorite characters. And it breaks my heart that I must play devil's advocate just to keep things fair in many of his kmc match ups.

I call BS, but feel free to prove me wrong by posting links to threads where you've defended Cap or where you talked about what you liked about him.

Originally posted by VeganDiet
He looked pretty done to me when he was being carried off the field of battle by Falcon. Granted, Cap also took some damage from that explosion Hercules caused.
I'd say the damage they took was fairly close to equal, and they both had to be carried off the battlefield by another hero.

Then of course, there's this:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/2532/2347825-avx_zone_007.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23374/2465189-avx_zone_008.jpg

I like how his shield magically appeared in his hand.

Anyway, Spiderman.

and Spidey's feat from that arc was still better

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
and Spidey's feat from that arc was still better

Not really.

Gambit was confident he had put Cap down. Instead, Cap had barely a scratch on him. Then got up and beat his face in.

Spiderman was a pile of broken bones.

Even Indestructible Cage would be proud of no-selling Gambit like that...

Captain F@cking America

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not really.

Gambit was confident he had put Cap down. Instead, Cap had barely a scratch on him. Then got up and beat his face in.

Spiderman was a pile of broken bones.
The damage Spider-man took in that arc was of a higher caliber than what Gambit was putting out.
Spider-man took several hits from people capable of putting down Thor, then took a mountain destroying explosion right in his face.
The explosion Cap took was much, much smaller than that.

To be honest, Phoenix force Colossus>>>>>Gambit. Cap has great damage soak feats but I would use the gambit one against the PF one because I don't really see them as close at all.

Cap's damage soak feats are more consistent compared to some of Pete's lesser showings. That said, when SM puts his head to it the amount of damage he can take is insane. And if overall durability is considered to be a part of damage soak. He wins this.

Can't see Cap standing there tanking Punishers punches like Parker did.

Originally posted by carver9
Can't see Cap standing there tanking Punishers punches like Parker did.

Okay, but it means nothing for the actual damage soak.

Fighting with a punctured lung, a dislocated shoulder, busted ribs and a ripped out kidney - something like that would qualify, as I understand it.

But wouldn't that mean that Punisher has a better damage soak than say Thing? Doesn't feel right.

Wait when was the Punisher punching Pete?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wait when was the Punisher punching Pete?

Warzone.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wait when was the Punisher punching Pete?
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13719529/Punisher-Zone-008.jpg.html

Ok. I thought carver was mixing Civ War up.

Carver, I apologise for assuming you'd continue to be wrong like you usually are about comics (and life).

In the director's cut of that book, Parker is revealed to have suffered a severe brain damage, cheekbones shattered and an irreversably dislocated jaw.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ok. I thought carver was mixing Civ War up.

Carver, I apologise for assuming you'd continue to be wrong like you usually are about comics (and life).

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then of course, there's this:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/2532/2347825-avx_zone_007.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23374/2465189-avx_zone_008.jpg

Just saw thus post and I disagree, I think this is more devistating imo.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11872164/AVX-Zone_016.jpg.html

No, it's not.

Well this is.

http://imageshack.us/a/img411/3009/ff5w.jpg

Rasputin was holding back a lot.

I meant the explosion that shattered the mountain from the inside out.

Also notice Logan seems so worried about his bff.

Originally posted by SamZED Also notice
Logan seems so worried about his bff.

Yeah, I caught that

Back in volume 1 spiderman.

Now a days it up for grabs or very close for either one.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Logan should've shanked him.

Traitor. You was suppose to say the above.

Originally posted by SamZED
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13719529/Punisher-Zone-008.jpg.html Didn't the Punisher hurt Peter with a kick to the face like three panels later?

Originally posted by deathslash
Didn't the Punisher hurt Peter with a kick to the face like three panels later? After he hit him with a grenade, but yes, he did.

Originally posted by VeganDiet
After he hit him with a grenade, but yes, he did. That's what I thought. Peter got hurt by a kick to the face from the Punisher, but if Frank tried that on Cap, he'd break his foot on Cap's chin.

Again the kick came after the GRENADE. I don't think Frank kickin Cap has a good chance of hurting him even if Cap was 100 percent.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Again the kick came after the GRENADE. I don't think Frank kickin Cap has a good chance of hurting him even if Cap was 100 percent. three things bro. 1. I already knew that the kick came after the explosion. 2. I was joking about Frank breaking his foot on Cap's jaw. 3. I still believe that Cap has better damage soak.

Error I meant to say, frank would hurt cap if he kicked him.

bump

Originally posted by carver9
Traitor. You was suppose to say the above.

Says the guy who betrayed Logan years ago.

Caps armor should give him slightly better damage soak than if he wore none at all, but typically speaking, wouldn't the guy that could lift more be more durable? I mean after all who here believes that 10 tons would not crush the stars and stripes off of Cap?

In real life, sure, but in comics? Class 10 str means shit when you have guys like less-than-class1 Vermin and others jumping on you and raping every cavity possible.

SM made a punching bag out of Vermin last few times they fought. Just like he does with every other street once the kid gloves are off.

You still try to fight? Even after the truth that's been revealed?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
In real life, sure, but in comics? Class 10 str means shit when you have guys like less-than-class1 Vermin and others jumping on you and raping every cavity possible.

I don't mean to use the holding back card, but Peter nearly ever uses his superior speed, and agility in his fights with guys who trigger his precog. You're right in real life Spider Man is, and would be more durable than Captain America. I don't know why he shouldn't be in a less than realistic world either? Just remember that Cap would get hurt as well, if the Lizard knocked him into a wall, and if he didn't have the shield.

The shield has also taken on a more mystical feel to it. As long as Cap possesses it, his durability sky rockets, even if a punishing blow doesn't hit the shield and instead hits him on the leg, most of the times he's fine. Take the shield away, and his durability drops dramatically.

Yeah, he can be seen outright ignoring attacks that would easily take care of most low-metas... most recent example would be, I dunno, him pretty much tanking Proxima's energy spears, maybe.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You still try to fight? Even after the truth that's been revealed? We all know you love Spider-man. Embrace it. Praise the messiah for he's returned to save all the lost and ungrateful souls that were foolish enough to doubt him. The Superior Spider-man lives again.

Otto wanked him too much, imo, it was just unnecessary.

Not a bad scene, but it kinda sucks when you realize it's all just because of ASM 2 shitty movie with Black Eel coming soon.

Bump

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hah, have you ever seen Spidey taking on a herald?

http://www.spiderfan.org/comics/images/spiderman_amazing/270.jpg

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Otto wanked him too much, imo, it was just unnecessary.

Not a bad scene, but it kinda sucks when you realize it's all just because of ASM 2 shitty movie with Black Eel coming soon.

What's that scan of Spidey beating down Venom from?

For Spidey's durability, Quicksilver kept beating on him and couldn't keep him down. Complained he was too powerful throughout his efforts.

Originally posted by SamZED
SM made a punching bag out of Vermin last few times they fought. Just like he does with every other street once the kid gloves are off.

And those gloves stay on for good reason:

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Story34.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/__v16ajx69Mw/S38_FWmM2jI/AAAAAAAAGFc/XNVX88T8Vic/s400/The+Spectacular+Spider-Man+%23134+page+16+panel+2.jpg

Confronting Sin Eater in his pathetic, crippled state he put him in almost broke him.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then of course, there's this: Yes, there's this, a durability feat

Spider-Man could kill Captain America with the first punch / kick, if he wasn't holding back. That's a fact.

bump

Originally posted by ProjectCornDog
http://www.spiderfan.org/comics/images/spiderman_amazing/270.jpg

That was great.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Now you've done it.

As for the thread, IMO its Cap, all other things being equal (so Cap doesn't have body armour etc). Combination of his heart force, HF, and natural durability. Whilst Spidey may have the edge in HF (debatable), it's close enough to not be a massive edge.

Yes, Spidey has a heart force too, but Cap trumps it IMO. Have the two of them stand side by side, and have Beast punch each of them over and over again.....Spidey would fall first. this

Originally posted by Zack M
That was great. F*ck....NO!

It was. There are only a few Galactus heralds worthy of being mentioned... and Firelord sure as **** wasn't one of them.

He fought Dumb Drax pretty well and I heard almost killed Thor.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
What is it with you and Cap hate? You're a nazi?

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/dam/assets/160525115909-captain-america-hail-hydra-780x439.jpg

Originally posted by Enzeru
Spider-Man could kill Captain America with the first punch / kick, if he wasn't holding back. That's a fact.

Cap has been sent crashing through multiple buildings and he still survived.

Cap has survived atmospheric re-entry and hit his head on the side of a building and was still alive.

Spidey ain't killing Cap with a single anything.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Cap has been sent crashing through multiple buildings and he still survived.

Cap has survived atmospheric re-entry and hit his head on the side of a building and was still alive.

Spidey ain't killing Cap with a single anything.

Scans.

Spidey can punch harder than someone falling and hitting stuff. 20tons of force in the size of a small fist is far more pressure received from falling on an area equal or larger.

Cap isn't bulletproof. A bullet will never bounce off his skin.
That means that ANYTHING with more pressure than a bullet will penetrate him. If something is shown not to then we must conclude that it had less than bullet pressure OR we dismiss it as PIS.

In a forum fight, bullets WILL penetrate Cap. Thus any showings contradicting that is merely PIS and must be dismissed as SMvFL.

Originally posted by h1a8
Scans.

11 years on KMC and you haven't seen any...?

Don't act like a retard.

Spidey wins this slightly.

Kulan Gath tortured him for hours, and then crucified his broken body on a cross... yet Spider-Man still fought free:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Mka-m8Rzy5k/UNH3n4LNpwI/AAAAAAAAAd0/ZAH5KT57iT8/s1600/xmen191-3.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Znl3xiASPsU/T1SK3ouNisI/AAAAAAAAKd0/UtcBYEndD0E/s1600/SPIDER.jpg

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
11 years on KMC and you haven't seen any...?

Don't act like a retard.

I never seen every appearance by Cap. I never read his comics (outside the avengers) and I've seen many of his feats through scans.

I asked for scans not because I don't believe you but there is sometimes important context in feats that people don't realize or mention.

I'll say it again. 11 years.

You haven't missed those feats at all, you're just pretending you haven't.

You don't feel like using KMC search? Fine, there are respect threads. You feel like most of the links are broken there? Fine, there are the newest threads made on reddit, that everyone who cares about vs. threads knows about.

You can't expect people to repost feats in every thread.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Cap has been sent crashing through multiple buildings and he still survived.

Cap has survived atmospheric re-entry and hit his head on the side of a building and was still alive.

Spidey ain't killing Cap with a single anything. For the record, so has Scorpion. SpOck still punched his jaw clean off. Just making an argument. I actually agree that with the consistency of Cap's durability showings he is not going down from one punch. But he is not winning this.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I'll say it again. 11 years.

You haven't missed those feats at all, you're just pretending you haven't.

You don't feel like using KMC search? Fine, there are respect threads. You feel like most of the links are broken there? Fine, there are the newest threads made on reddit, that everyone who cares about vs. threads knows about.

You can't expect people to repost feats in every thread. there are thousands of feats, even if I seen it I don't remember. Most people don't even talk about those feats by Cap. I seen Cap fall plenty of times (once using the shield to absorb impact) but I don't recall seeing what you are talking about. I seen characters knocked through buildings (through the glass only). Like I said, I believe there is context to the feats you are naming because they probably don't look impressive at all. Otherwise, I would have seen or heard of them many times when Cap is in a thread.