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Galactus is not very well fed.

Who wins.

Galactus absorbs Monarch

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Galactus absorbs Monarch

Monarch would just avoid it. Or teleport away.

Yeah because Galactus can't teleport after him....

I have no idea how Monarchs power work, but if he is basically a container of energy (which is what I have understood) Galactus should be able to absorb his energy.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Yeah because Galactus can't teleport after him....

I have no idea how Monarchs power work, but if he is basically a container of energy (which is what I have understood) Galactus should be able to absorb his energy.

I doubt it. Monarch has taken down Monitors before.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Yeah because Galactus can't teleport after him....

I have no idea how Monarchs power work, but if he is basically a container of energy (which is what I have understood) Galactus should be able to absorb his energy.
How often that works for him? And when did Galactus absorbed enough energy to destroy the universe?

Originally posted by abhilegend
How often that works for him? And when did Galactus absorbed enough energy to destroy the universe?

A couple of times.

Elders of the universe, Hyperstorm, Vision in the Ultimate universe are examples of Galactus absorbing energy used against him. The Hyperstorm incident was a endless supply of energy, I don't know if Monarch falls into that catagory.

First off wouldn't that also mean that Monarch kills himself? Second what stops Galactus from simply teleporting to another dimension and then return? and didn't the planet the monitor was on survive as well?

Originally posted by Utrigita
A couple of times.

Elders of the universe, Hyperstorm, Vision in the Ultimate universe are examples of Galactus absorbing energy used against him. The Hyperstorm incident was a endless supply of energy, I don't know if Monarch falls into that catagory.

First off wouldn't that also mean that Monarch kills himself? Second what stops Galactus from simply teleporting to another dimension and then return? and didn't the planet the monitor was on survive as well?

Teleporting away is not saving Galactus from Monarch.

Originally posted by Utrigita
A couple of times.

Elders of the universe, Hyperstorm, Vision in the Ultimate universe are examples of Galactus absorbing energy used against him. The Hyperstorm incident was a endless supply of energy, I don't know if Monarch falls into that catagory.

First off wouldn't that also mean that Monarch kills himself? Second what stops Galactus from simply teleporting to another dimension and then return? and didn't the planet the monitor was on survive as well?
Elders survived and made him fall sick, they were complete jobbers in that arc TBH. Hyperstorm is a good choice though but "endless supply" of energy is likely a hyperbole. He is nowhere near Monarch level either. Monarch can absorb energy too BTW as he's essentially Captain Atom powered up to the nth times and we've seen Atom absorb ****ing Nekron's energies. What happens when Monarch starts absorbing Galactus' energy?

Why would monarch split his suit open? I was asking about what happens when Galactus breaches his armor and gets KTFO by the explosion?

The planet along with the whole universe was destroyed, the monitors recreated the whole universe after that.

http://i.imgur.com/NxTOQBK.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Elders survived and made him fall sick, they were complete jobbers in that arc TBH. Hyperstorm is a good choice though but "endless supply" of energy is likely a hyperbole. He is nowhere near Monarch level either. Monarch can absorb energy too BTW as he's essentially Captain Atom powered up to the nth times and we've seen Atom absorb ****ing Nekron's energies. What happens when Monarch starts absorbing Galactus' energy?

Why would monarch split his suit open? I was asking about what happens when Galactus breaches his armor and gets KTFO by the explosion?

The planet along with the whole universe was destroyed, the monitors recreated the whole universe after that.

http://i.imgur.com/NxTOQBK.jpg

The elders survived given their pact with Death, something that Monarch to my knowledge doesn't have. Not really, hyperspace is a endless supply of energy used by multiple characters across the marvel universe. And that was the whole point with Reed forcing Hyperstorm to meet Galactus, that Galactus boundless hunger would trap Hyperstorm forever since Hyperstorm was a conduit to a endless supply of energy. Then we will see who is the best energy manipulator, however I don't believe Monarch is close to operating in the same way Galactus does, nor does he have the same hunger.

Given that Galactus has already survived the Big Bang, three things can happen imo. He ignores it, he raises a shield, he teleports away.

The monitor that survived (using a shield) was shown walking on a planet immidiately after the explosion, a small tree was also growing there. I recall the scan quite clearly given that it was a source of much debate.

Originally posted by Utrigita
The elders survived given their pact with Death, something that Monarch to my knowledge doesn't have. Why not? Captain Atom is essentially immortal with even Johnny Sorrow's gaze failing to kill him. That's as likely as Quantum force being described as limitless. The difference is that Captain Atom has actually created universe with it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Captain Atom destroying a universe after creating it.

http://i.imgur.com/0ek6iDV.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/4bV8cKm.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Rsa6nqE.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/fHn9fT6.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Mai44ap.jpg

Hyperstorm had nothing but statements in his resume and the instant elevation in Ranks by "He fought Galactus!!!1". The circular logic is funny though. It only applies to marvel characters, hyperstorm fought Galactus!!!!

Total hyperbole. Since Galactus is still hungry and Hyperstorm is nowhere to be found. Heh, tell that to Hunger or Tyrant or ****ing Dire Wraiths. But I'll humor you. Here is Cap absorbing Nekron's energy in his own realm.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/captatom43043ad.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/captatom43070pc.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/captatom43113dr.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/captatom43126kt.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/captatom43136pd.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/captatom43149ly.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/captatom43156lu.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/captatom43161xd.jpg

Hahaha, tell me you didn't just use eternity protecting Galan as a durability feat for Galactus. Please, we've seen Galactus nearly die from two planets colliding in the past after hunger absorbed some of his energy.

The monitors would shit stomp puny galactus, so who the **** cares?

@abhi: You asked when has Galactus absorbed universal-scale energy?

Galactus absorbed the equivalent of weeks of collected and saved energy from Franklin Richards, the same guy who casually makes universes in his bedroom closet without relying on external powersources.

Also, Taa-II. Some other misc feats as well that I don't remember. In which case: Bran, get your lazy ass in this thread right now.

Originally posted by Epicurus
@abhi: You asked when has Galactus absorbed universal-scale energy?

Galactus absorbed the equivalent of weeks of collected and saved energy from Franklin Richards, the same guy who casually makes universes in his bedroom closet without relying on external powersources.

Also, Taa-II. Some other misc feats as well that I don't remember. In which case: Bran, get your lazy ass in this thread right now.
That's why Sol's Anvil, a solar powered device outperformed Galactus against Voltron Celestials? Was it explained anywhere that the enrgy he absorbed from Franklin was universal level?

Taa II was never universal level AFAIK.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why not? Captain Atom is essentially immortal with even Johnny Sorrow's gaze failing to kill him.

That's as likely as Quantum force being described as limitless. The difference is that Captain Atom has actually created universe with it.



Hyperstorm had nothing but statements in his resume and the instant elevation in Ranks by "He fought Galactus!!!1". The circular logic is funny though. It only applies to marvel characters, hyperstorm fought Galactus!!!!

Total hyperbole. Since Galactus is still hungry and Hyperstorm is nowhere to be found. Heh, tell that to Hunger or Tyrant or ****ing Dire Wraiths. But I'll humor you. Here is Cap absorbing Nekron's energy in his own realm.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/captatom43043ad.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/captatom43070pc.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/captatom43113dr.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/captatom43126kt.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/captatom43136pd.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/captatom43149ly.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/captatom43156lu.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/captatom43161xd.jpg

Hahaha, tell me you didn't just use eternity protecting Galan as a durability feat for Galactus. Please, we've seen Galactus nearly die from two planets colliding in the past after hunger absorbed some of his energy.

The monitors would shit stomp puny galactus, so who the **** cares?

The Elders can't be claimed which is what made them remake themselves inside Galactus. Unless I'm missing something Monarch haven't reappeared after he got blown up.

And the Celestials that is empowered with the energy from hyperspace used it (according to the Xmen Universe) to make the marvel universe/multiverse, so ...

Not really, it's just a example of Galactus using his energy control to absorb energy from a being below him. Then there is also Taa II in the secret wars, perhaps the greatest energy source in the universe.

More like completely logical. Galactus can never be fully sated, and Hyperstorm being what he is, would eventually have collapsed from the stress. I mean no matter his durability at some point he would run into not having the durability to withstand the pressure Galactus would be forcing on him by absorbing the energies within him.

Hunger, a dimensional parasite that fleed (initially) from Galactus assaults, Tyrant that had his ass firmly handed to him the first time around, The dire wraiths, beings of magic, which Galactus has a mixed track record against. Nice picks. Vision using dark matter that would have destroyed the Gah Lak Thus (the same machine that only lost 20% of it's mass agaisnt a weapon powered by a big bang btw.) I've seen that already. But thanks for showing it.

Eternity protected Galan, I do not recall it having been mentioned that Galactus was protected by anything when the 616 universe came into existance. And in the same act we saw him standing in the middle of a Supernova, completely fine btw.

The monitors perhaps, but a single monitor? I care because the scan clearly showed that the planet (the planet Monarch was on, fro what I gather) was intact. Which means that the blast, while it might have wiped out life in the universe, didn't have enough blast power (atleast not at ground zero) to destroy a planet. Which would also explain why the monitor survived.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's why Sol's Anvil, a solar powered device outperformed Galactus against Voltron Celestials? Was it explained anywhere that the enrgy he absorbed from Franklin was universal level?

Taa II was never universal level AFAIK.
Sol's Anvil also drew power from other sources like the Negative Zone. Not to mention that Hickman confirmed it on Formspring a long time ago that the Anvil's tech amplifies the energy that it draws from the Sun. And I never though that you, a Superman-fan of all people, would use solar-powered devices to lowball the character you're arguing against.

Franklin was pretty freaked out when he was forced to use a bit of that power to fend off the Mad Celestials in his first encounter with them, to the point that Adult Frank had to console him that the remaining bit would still hopefully be enough. Considering that in the very same story arc Franklin made a universe without worrying at all, I'd say that the blue ball was definitely a universal-scale of quantitatively condensed energy. Also, young Franklin had to save all that power over weeks leading upto the final battle with the Mad Celestials.

Taa-II's power was enough to briefly hold his own against Pre-Retcon Beyonder though. Along with Reed claiming that it's the greatest energy source in existence or some sh1t.

Originally posted by Utrigita
And the Celestials that is empowered with the energy from hyperspace used it (according to the Xmen Universe) to make the marvel universe/multiverse, so ...
Fixed.

Originally posted by Utrigita
The Elders can't be claimed which is what made them remake themselves inside Galactus. Unless I'm missing something Monarch haven't reappeared after he got blown up. He reappeared as Captain Atom in Action Comics as it was Cap all along who went mad with that suit and absorbed Captain Atoms from the multiverse.

That's like saying regular captain atom is as powerful as Monarch or Sue Storm is as powerful as Celestials. Just because they share the same power source doesn't mean they are as powerful as Celestials or can channel as much power as them.

Monarch isn't below Galactus. And? Any feat from Taa II because Reed Richards can be hyperbolish plenty of times.

That's not what "limitless" means. Galactus' hunger isn't infinite. We've seen Skaar capable of sating him for thousands of years. Total speculations.

Did he?, And who handed Galactus his ass when he was sated and in his home turf by absorbing his energy. Hah, nice excuses. I wouldn't use Cataclysm as a good showing where Kitty Pryde is kicking Galan's ass right now. Glad to help.

Big bang had already happened it by then and Eternity sealed him in an egg. A watcher had the power to kill him in that state while he was gestating. A ****ing watcher. Shows how weak he is when he gets drained.

Yup, a single monitor would kick Galactus' worthless ass like a cheap hooker. Remember what happened to Spectre and Radiant? Not the planet, a small part of land protected by Monitor's shield. It destroyed the whole unverse, it got re-created by Monitors, Karate Kid ended up spreading a virus which wiped out the whole universe in countdown and then Nix Uotan recreated it at the end of FC. Monarch absolutely destroyed that universe.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Sol's Anvil also drew power from other sources like the Negative Zone. Not to mention that Hickman confirmed it on Formspring a long time ago that the Anvil's tech amplifies the energy that it draws from the Sun. Reed pretty clearly stated that the main power source of Anvil was sun. So how much it amplified Sun's energy to outperform beings who have more power than universes? Superman has a long history of shitting on energy conservation.

That's pretty far fetched. Hal Jordan has created a universe, Animal Man with 2 other M-field users have created universe. I take those kind of feats with a grain of salt. Didn't Adult Franklin absorbed that energy?

In secret wars? That was Beyonder playing with Galactus or some shit. There is nothing called pre-retcon beyonder in canon though, its all CCU at this point.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He reappeared as Captain Atom in Action Comics as it was Cap all along who went mad with that suit and absorbed Captain Atoms from the multiverse.

That's like saying regular captain atom is as powerful as Monarch or Sue Storm is as powerful as Celestials. Just because they share the same power source doesn't mean they are as powerful as Celestials or can channel as much power as them.

Monarch isn't below Galactus. And? Any feat from Taa II because Reed Richards can be hyperbolish plenty of times.

That's not what "limitless" means. Galactus' hunger isn't infinite. We've seen Skaar capable of sating him for thousands of years. Total speculations.

Did he?, And who handed Galactus his ass when he was sated and in his home turf by absorbing his energy. Hah, nice excuses. I wouldn't use Cataclysm as a good showing where Kitty Pryde is kicking Galan's ass right now. Glad to help.

Big bang had already happened it by then and Eternity sealed him in an egg. A watcher had the power to kill him in that state while he was gestating. A ****ing watcher. Shows how weak he is when he gets drained.

Yup, a single monitor would kick Galactus' worthless ass like a cheap hooker. Remember what happened to Spectre and Radiant? Not the planet, a small part of land protected by Monitor's shield. It destroyed the whole unverse, it got re-created by Monitors, Karate Kid ended up spreading a virus which wiped out the whole universe in countdown and then Nix Uotan recreated it at the end of FC. Monarch absolutely destroyed that universe.

Okay, as I said I'm not familiar with Monarch. Still he could be destroyed ko etc.

Didn't say that was the case, merely pointed out what the Hyperspace energies are far from as lacking of feats as you described. And Hyperstorm was described as being a living conduit for it, so I think it stands to reason that his ability to use said energy was extremely high.

Iyo.

Yes, lets just ignore Reed Richards. On another note, that energy allowed Doom to fight Pre Retcon Beyonder for a extended amount of time, and in the retell said energy allowed Doom to overcome the Beyonder. I think the energies from Taa II have shown where it's at in terms of power.

"A hunger which can neverly truly be sated" That is the way Galactus hunger has been described over the years. Also iirc it was Surfer speculating that the Old Power would sate Galactus, when infact it did the exact opposite and made him seek out even more planet. He basically got addicted. Addiction coupled with a endless hunger really isn't the best of cocktails.

Care to explain to me then why Hyperstorm haven't reappeared and Galactus has?

Yes, Galactus said so himself "Thanos this being initially withered before my assaults"

Tyrant defeated Galactus by using his tech against him. Is Monarch known as a great Technopath or is Galactus ship howering above? If that is the case the OP should have been a bit more specific.

Do you deny that he has a mixed record against magic? What does it even matter? Last time I checked Monarch didn't utilize magic as his primary energy source of attack.

Should we wait until the comic is out on the on the 26 before jumping to conclusions? Guess not. So we might as well recall that the last scan from the preview show Galactus beating her. But then again I guess one showing in the end takes away Galactus tanking Dark Matter bomb to the face?

Not in the recent retelling shown in the Fantastic four. But then again that doesn't really change that Galan was protected, Galactus that was there at the big bang wasn't. A watcher that had like a fraction of a second, the same watchers that Exitar had to use eons in order to gather the required energy to destroy the strongest off. The Watchers, despite given their mixed record are far from weak.

He didn't get drained in that comic though, so I don't quite see your point.

Mandrakk is equal to the one monitor shown to survive the blast?

Doesn't make any sense imo. So a part of the land is protected by the shield cool, yet everything are destroyed. Yet the monitor is fine. Seems alot more to me like everything resembling life was wiped out in the universe, but the rest (planets etc.) was still there just barren.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Okay, as I said I'm not familiar with Monarch. Still he could be destroyed ko etc. All Galactus can do is to rupture the suit and that would knock him out at least going on average portrayals.

Without any feats at all? Great logic.

Nope.

Yes, lets do. He was rather melodramatic under Shooter. I don't think even you believe that. Think back at what you just said. Second thing, there is no thing such as Pre-retcon beyonder in canon. Beyonder is merely a CCU now.

And so is Hulk is the strongest one there is. Neither is true. Nah, Galactus himself said it and it only happened after Skaar corrupted the old power. Read it again.

Who cares? He got killed by Galactus stepping over him for all I know.

When nothing of that sort happened? It adapted right in the same scan and absorbed Galactus' power.

Or by draining his energy. In a lower power base he can absorb Nekron's energy. Is Galactus now more powerful than Nekron?

It was a simple overwhelming and energy drain. He was nearly killed by twelve member of a race when ****ing Rom had killed one of them.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bvjtn2M6f2I/T6Zm3PgeW9I/AAAAAAAAHZY/2V6Z64nD2-c/s1600/Rom%2B27-2.JPG

Pathetic.

Of course we should wait. But I don't think battling it out and beating a giant Kitty Pryde is such a big feat.

You may as well throw out all the origins for Galactus then. One thing is sure though. Galactus was born after big bang, he didn't endure it. Nope. And who have been beaten by the likes of Quasar and Lunatik. But don't wait for me. A watcher was evaporated in the same blast which everybody from Annihilus to nova endured.

Hunger didn't drain Galactus?

Mandrakk II is just a normal monitor albeit corrupted by Mandrakk I's blood.

Its from countdown, what did you expect? Yup. Nope, monitors are just that uber. It was directly stated that the monitors recreated Earth-51 which was made lifeless by morticoccus virus inside Karate Kid.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I was asking about what happens when Galactus breaches his armor and gets KTFO by the explosion? Galactus would wake up eventually and, being the only combatant still alive, win the battle.

Galactus effortlessly absorbed Baby Korvac who had enough power to destroy the universe. He kicked the shit out of Sphinx, when Lady Sphinx with just the Ka Stone was able to create a universe. He stalemated In-Betweener who again could create a universe. Hell, Galactus was fighting Scrier and The Other in a multiverse destroying fight. Among other things.

Seeing that Tyrant was brought up... interesting considering that same severely weakened Galactus simply teleported away from the UN. Which would be so unlike teleporting away from the non plant killing Monarch self destruction. Or he could just shield himself like the pussy Monitor did.

But Monitors are above Galactus... well, Countdown tells a different story.
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Monitors/Countdown28-30.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Monitors/Countdown28-32.jpg

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Monitors/CountdowntoFinalCrisis17-04.jpg

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Monitors/CountdowntoFinalCrisis17-15.jpg

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Monitors/CountdowntoFinalCrisis16-0203.jpg

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Monitors/CountdowntoFinalCrisis15-24.jpg

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Monitors/CountdowntoFinalCrisis16-26.jpg

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Monitors/CountdowntoFinalCrisis13-01.jpg

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Monitors/CountdowntoFinalCrisis14-18.jpg

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Monitors/CountdowntoFinalCrisis14-20.jpg

As for Galactus and the Big Bang. He merged with the damn universe that protected him, so uh, yeah.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/20xad.jpg

I think I skimmed by something that lowballed Galactus instantly vaporising and eating the Elders too.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/03.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/04.jpg

There's probably more, but I didn't skim very hard

At Monitor's beating up Galactus.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Hell, Galactus was fighting Scrier and The Other in a multiverse destroying fight. Among other things.
That was impressive, but I thought it was a universal busting fight..

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
That was impressive, but I thought it was a universal busting fight..


Their game threatens to undo everything:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/ThorAnnual-003.jpg

Their game will go on until the multiverse dies, which Oblivion hopes is today:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/ThorAnnual-018.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/ThorAnnual-019.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/ThorAnnual-020.jpg

The annihilation of all universes is just a heartbeat away:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/ThorAnnual-021.jpg


That's just Scrier and The Other too. Galactus fought both of them in a fight with the same descriptions.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual035.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual036.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual038.jpg



So basically, Galactus fights two beings with the power to end all universes, but we're led to believe Monarch's single universe KAMIKAZE blowing up is the ultimate trump card, simply because he destroyed one universe.

Galactus just eats Monarch tbh

Galactus wins. No contest.

Originally posted by Supra
Monarch would just avoid it. Or teleport away. yeah ok, lol

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Their game threatens to undo everything:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/ThorAnnual-003.jpg

Their game will go on until the multiverse dies, which Oblivion hopes is today:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/ThorAnnual-018.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/ThorAnnual-019.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/ThorAnnual-020.jpg

The annihilation of all universes is just a heartbeat away:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/ThorAnnual-021.jpg


That's just Scrier and The Other too. Galactus fought both of them in a fight with the same descriptions.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual035.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual036.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual038.jpg



So basically, Galactus fights two beings with the power to end all universes, but we're led to believe Monarch's single universe KAMIKAZE blowing up is the ultimate trump card, simply because he destroyed one universe.

Galactus just eats Monarch tbh
Fine u win.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Galactus would wake up eventually and, being the only combatant still alive, win the battle.
Captain Atom would reform eventually too, so its a draw specifically. Also @ bran highballing the shit out of Galactus.

Originally posted by Galan007
Galactus wins. No contest.

LOL at this thread.
Galactus doesn't even have to breach the armor, he could just drain Monarch with eye beams like he did Hyperstorm or FP Tyrant. Hell, he sucked the power out of Ultrons adamantium armor with a gesture.

He shouldn't have any trouble with draining quantum energy. I mean, look at the varied forms of energy Hyperstorm had.

http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/17739240_image.jpg

Quantum energy might not be on the dollar menu like a regular planet but rather a specialty like Mephisto's realm.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Reed pretty clearly stated that the main power source of Anvil was sun. So how much it amplified Sun's energy to outperform beings who have more power than universes? Superman has a long history of shitting on energy conservation.

That's pretty far fetched. Hal Jordan has created a universe, Animal Man with 2 other M-field users have created universe. I take those kind of feats with a grain of salt. Didn't Adult Franklin absorbed that energy?

In secret wars? That was Beyonder playing with Galactus or some shit. There is nothing called pre-retcon beyonder in canon though, its all CCU at this point.
Reed said nothing of the sort. You're confusing Adult Frank giving a generalized explanation of what the Anvil is to young Frank with Reed Richards' explanation which specifically mentions the ingredients of the Anvils' power consisting of things beyond the Sun. It amplifies the Sun's energy by sufficient amounts to undo the mad Celestials' transformation, almost destroy the Earth by simply charging up, and killing an alternate Beyonder. It was considered to be the trump card of the Council of Reeds' arsenal, an arsenal which consists of stuff like IGs, UNs, the Excalibur etc.

No, it's not. Unless you want to go down the asinine path of ascribing someone like Franklin Richards as a herald-level character. Which you most likely will. These universal scale feats only become ambiguous and invalid for battleboard purposes when they are being used in support of characters like Thor, Superman or Silver Surfer. Not a powerful psionic reality warper like Franklin. Not to mention that every single one of those instances which you mention involve some form of context like an external power-up(eg. Hal performing his alleged universal feat within the Green Lantern Battery). Adult Frank fed that power to Galactus in order to rejuvenate him.

Nope, but Pre-Retcon Beyonder does exist in battleboards. Based on the retelling, Doom with Galactus' Taa-II enhanced power was going toe-to-toe with the Beyonder. And no, the CCU sh1t may or may not be valid considering the countless retcons and unretcons the Beyonder's contrived history is loaded with. Not to mention that even Post-Retcon Beyonder has ridic feats like that transmultiversal battle with the Molecule Man, creating a pocket universe, actually having killed an Abstract Concept(his murder of Death wasn't retconned) etc.