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Who is winning this fight?

Most people reference Blood Oath for Herc's equality or superiority to Thor in strength and skill, but the fact is that was simply a convenient plot device to display Thor controlling the weather sans Mjolnir. In fact, Herc has tried the exact same maneuver, and Thor just straight up out muscled him.

No pis, Thor wins a very comfortable majority.

Thor's gotten the upperhand on Hercules in hth before anyway also. I think its a split.

Herc.

Thor get's nut kicked.

Split if u go mainly by their actual head to head matchups.
Thor with the slight edge if u take everything into account.

Split for the most part.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Most people reference Blood Oath for Herc's equality or superiority to Thor in strength and skill, but the fact is that was simply a convenient plot device to display Thor controlling the weather sans Mjolnir. In fact, Herc has tried the exact same maneuver, and Thor just straight up out muscled him.

No pis, Thor wins a very comfortable majority.
That's not true. Herc has outmuscled thor in the past too. They are physical equals in every sense of world.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Thor's gotten the upperhand on Hercules in hth before anyway also. I think its a split.
Where did Thor gained upperhand on Herc in h2h?

Anyway its a split or a slight majority for Herc.

Edit: nevermind.

I'm on my phone right now so I can't provide scans, but there was an instance where Hercules attempted almost the exact same thing as in blood oath, and Thor just completely overpowers Hercules. I've seen a lot of their fights, and most are stalemates, but I've never seen Herc do anything like that to Thor.

Originally posted by abhilegend


Where did Thor gained upperhand on Herc in h2h?

Anyway its a split or a slight majority for Herc.




http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules13.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules14.jpg

Originally posted by Damborgson
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules13.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules14.jpg
In first he just flipped Herc, that's not overpowering.

In fact they stalemated in armwrestling in the very next issue.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules15Thor222.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules16.jpg

Herc overpowered Ares Controlled Masterson Thor far more convincingly and recovered earlier than him.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16304667/Avengers349_14a.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16304668/Avengers349_14b.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16304669/Avengers349_15b.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16304670/Avengers349_16b.jpg.html

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
I'm on my phone right now so I can't provide scans, but there was an instance where Hercules attempted almost the exact same thing as in blood oath, and Thor just completely overpowers Hercules. I've seen a lot of their fights, and most are stalemates, but I've never seen Herc do anything like that to Thor.
See how he overpowers masterson Thor.
Originally posted by abhilegend
In first he just flipped Herc, that's not overpowering.

In fact they stalemated in armwrestling in the very next issue.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules15Thor222.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules16.jpg

Herc overpowered Ares Controlled Masterson Thor far more convincingly and recovered earlier than him.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16304667/Avengers349_14a.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16304668/Avengers349_14b.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16304669/Avengers349_15b.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16304670/Avengers349_16b.jpg.html

The earlier recovery probably has something to do with the fact that Eric was possessed by Ares.

And not sure how he over-powered him as Ares was literally goading Hercules to kill him when he got tackled. I'm sure you're not referring to the hammer stamp. Arguing that it takes superior strength to force his arm down slightly when Hercules is literally on top of him would be idiotic.

Just like Masterson isn't a lot stronger then Hercules because he forced his arm back up.

Not sure why Masterson is even relevant in a thread with Thor though. Much less a mind-controlled Masterson who wanted Hercules to kill him.

Thor

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Most people reference Blood Oath for Herc's equality or superiority to Thor in strength and skill, but the fact is that was simply a convenient plot device to display Thor controlling the weather sans Mjolnir. In fact, Herc has tried the exact same maneuver, and Thor just straight up out muscled him.

No pis, Thor wins a very comfortable majority.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules20Thor464.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules21.jpg

Hmm unorthodox hold but it actually looks like it would work....

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The earlier recovery probably has something to do with the fact that Eric was possessed by Ares.

And not sure how he over-powered him as Ares was literally goading Hercules to kill him when he got tackled. I'm sure you're not referring to the hammer stamp. Arguing that it takes superior strength to force his arm down slightly when Hercules is literally on top of him would be idiotic.

Just like Masterson isn't a lot stronger then Hercules because he forced his arm back up.

Not sure why Masterson is even relevant in a thread with Thor though. Much less a mind-controlled Masterson who wanted Hercules to kill him.
Getting possessed by Ares somehow decreased his durability?

Also yes, Herc tackled Masterson and forced his arm down while he was resisting.

When did he force Herc's arm back?

Because Masterson was as strong as Thor?Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules20Thor464.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules21.jpg
Herc has done that to Thor around Avengers 100 IIRC.

Masterson was not more injured then Ares or Hercules. He simply took longer to recover. Which is pretty easily explained by him being the victim of mind control. Ares wasn't even hit by the lightning but was still woozy after being shocked free from his mind.

Hercules tackled Masterson what looked like from the side and while he was goading for him to commit murder. He literally wanted Hercules to kill him. Context. Forcing his arm down from that position does not even require equal strength, much less superior. Here:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16304668/Avengers349_14b.jpg.html

Hercules forced it back down, but forcing it up would require noticeably greater strength from their respective positions. That is of course if you subscribe to the idea that a few inches of back and forth hand movement requires superiority. They are equal, not identical clones.

Masterson wasn't quite as strong as Thor. Or at the very least, did not know how to access his strength properly. Heck in this very comic we're discussing, Ares was only able to possess Masterson because he wasn't a true immortal like Thor and was vulnerable.

Originally posted by abhilegend
In first he just flipped Herc, that's not overpowering.

In fact they stalemated in armwrestling in the very next issue.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules15Thor222.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules16.jpg

Herc overpowered Ares Controlled Masterson Thor far more convincingly and recovered earlier than him.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16304667/Avengers349_14a.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16304668/Avengers349_14b.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16304669/Avengers349_15b.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16304670/Avengers349_16b.jpg.html
I thought u asked for getting the upper hand in h2h?
That looks like getting the upper hand to me.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Masterson was not more injured then Ares or Hercules. He simply took longer to recover. Which is pretty easily explained by him being the victim of mind control. Ares wasn't even hit by the lightning but was still woozy after being shocked free from his mind.

Hercules tackled Masterson what looked like from the side and while he was goading for him to commit murder. He literally wanted Hercules to kill him. Context. Forcing his arm down from that position does not even require equal strength, much less superior. Here:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16304668/Avengers349_14b.jpg.html

Hercules forced it back down, but forcing it up would require noticeably greater strength from their respective positions. That is of course if you subscribe to the idea that a few inches of back and forth hand movement requires superiority. They are equal, not identical clones.

Masterson wasn't quite as strong as Thor. Or at the very least, did not know how to access his strength properly. Heck in this very comic we're discussing, Ares was only able to possess Masterson because he wasn't a true immortal like Thor and was vulnerable.
And how do you know that? He was unconscious while Herc was merely stunned.

Herc tackled masteron by his arms, not by his sides.

He downed Masterson's arm twice in two pages, not sure why that isn't overpowering.

Masterson held his own quite well against Thor in a strength contest and he was given the power of Thor and had his body. Why wasn't he as strong as Thor?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules20Thor464.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules21.jpg Not the same hold, also, whoever drew that should be publicly executed.

My god, that is terrible.

Because that's what we saw? Anyways like I said, Ares who wasn't even hit by the lightning was groggy from the shock of possession. Masterson was hit with the lightning AND was the one being possessed and still got up right on the next page:
http://s27.postimg.org/q21dv2qdr/Avengers349_17a.jpg

Also note that he seemed to have heard the conversation with Hera so he wasn't unconscious either. Most likely woozy like Ares.

Either way, tackling someone down doesn't prove equality much less superiority. Especially if that person literally wants you to kill them.

Because moving someone's arms down a few inches, especially from a position that gives you a HUGE advantage does not require superior strength. Masteson arm was outstretched as Hercules forced it down from the top. Heck, I don't see how Masterson could be anything less then Hercule's equal as it was such a struggle. He was even able to force back up after Hercules forced it down.. I'm sure if 3 strikes were required, he would have gained some ground again, and so on.

I don't know, ask the writer. Masterson even pointed out that he wasn't quite as strong as Thor. There are also plenty of instances noting his inability compared to Thor. Lack of experience, not being an immortal, weaker will power are all possible answers. Actually, he had an Asgardian enchantment that gave him a body like Thor's IIRC.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Hmm unorthodox hold but it actually looks like it would work.... No, it wouldn't.

You want to cut of blood flow to the brain, pushing his head up is the exact opposite of what should be done.

The hold would be easy to break as well, nothing about it is right.

Originally posted by abhilegend
In first he just flipped Herc, that's not overpowering.

In fact they stalemated in armwrestling in the very next issue.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules15Thor222.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules16.jpg

Herc overpowered Ares Controlled Masterson Thor far more convincingly and recovered earlier than him.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16304667/Avengers349_14a.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16304668/Avengers349_14b.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16304669/Avengers349_15b.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16304670/Avengers349_16b.jpg.html

Well...considering I didn't say overpowered...your right?

Originally posted by Mindset
No, it wouldn't.

You want to cut of blood flow to the brain, pushing his head up is the exact opposite of what should be done.

The hold would be easy to break as well, nothing about it is right. Obviously that isnt the standard way to CHOKE somebody but as far as a hold or setup goes thats not bad at all. I have seen people do something similar to get a persons chin untucked. That kind of hold is only easily broken in a standing position usually you dont want to hold on to a shoulder like Thor is doing usually gripping the collar or the clothing is the best way.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Hmm unorthodox hold but it actually looks like it would work.... No, he didn't even lock his hands, there is almost no leverage to that hold.

Originally posted by Mindset
Not the same hold, also, whoever drew that should be publicly executed.

My god, that is terrible.

This too.

Originally posted by NemeBro
No, he didn't even lock his hands, there is almost no leverage to that hold.



This too.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Obviously that isnt the standard way to CHOKE somebody but as far as a hold or setup goes thats not bad at all. I have seen people do something similar to get a persons chin untucked. That kind of hold is only easily broken in a standing position usually you dont want to hold on to a shoulder like Thor is doing usually gripping the collar or the clothing is the best way.

They were in a standing position though.

That is some seriously bad art though, for real.

Originally posted by NemeBro
They were in a standing position though.

That is some seriously bad art though, for real. Yeah i know the hold in the scan wouldnt work standing but i rarely ever see somebody attempting a rare choke in a standing position which is pretty dangerous in itself

Originally posted by iceman24567
Obviously that isnt the standard way to CHOKE somebody but as far as a hold or setup goes thats not bad at all. I have seen people do something similar to get a persons chin untucked. That kind of hold is only easily broken in a standing position usually you dont want to hold on to a shoulder like Thor is doing usually gripping the collar or the clothing is the best way. What is pictured is the standard way to look like a doofus.

You guys are splitting hairs, the artist is obviously not a black belt in BJJ, and doesn't have to be able to draw out a perfectly executed rear naked choke for us to figure out what's going on.

It is quite ugly though.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
You guys are splitting hairs, the artist is obviously not a black belt in BJJ, and doesn't have to be able to draw out a perfectly executed rear naked choke for us to figure out what's going on.

It is quite ugly though. Dont have to know bbj to know better. Just knowing a tiny bit about human anatomy will suffice.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
You guys are splitting hairs, the artist is obviously not a black belt in BJJ, and doesn't have to be able to draw out a perfectly executed rear naked choke for us to figure out what's going on.

It is quite ugly though. That's not at all a rnc, maybe the artist wasn't intending it to be one.

Or maybe it is showing him trying to maneuver into a rnc, in any case, it's not the same move.

Yeah that isnt a choke just some strange ass hold

Right, not exactly the same, I don't think anyone is saying it's exactly the same. But it is similar, and at the very least requires the same degree of strength to just, straight up break free from.

Nah its impossible to subdue somebody with that hold while standing better off just letting him go

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Right, not exactly the same, I don't think anyone is saying it's exactly the same. But it is similar, and at the very least requires the same degree of strength to just, straight up break free from. No it doesn't.

While standing, that hold wouldn't be difficult to break; you'd be lucky to get out of a rnc.

Thor wins

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Thor wins

Purple nerp and nut attack ftw.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I thought u asked for getting the upper hand in h2h?
That looks like getting the upper hand to me.
That's called a back and forth fight bro.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Because that's what we saw? Anyways like I said, Ares who wasn't even hit by the lightning was groggy from the shock of possession. Masterson was hit with the lightning AND was the one being possessed and still got up right on the next page:
http://s27.postimg.org/q21dv2qdr/Avengers349_17a.jpg Ares had assimilated his body INSIDE the body of masterson, of course he was hit by the lightning.

Hera appeared after Crystal was seen looking for him. That's not a proof he wasn't KOED.

That wasn't my point.

While the other was actively resisting? Herc effortlessly lifted his hands in the air and slammed them twice on ground. I see that as Herc lifting his arms twice and slamming them down.

He assumed it, later Thor himself said that he had been bestowed by his strength. Nah, those are because he was a mortal in a god's body. No. Heimdall had banished Thor deep inside Masterson's subconscious when he and Thor were merged, so Masterson was the only personality in their merged bodies.

You think Ares was hurt by the lightning as well and that he recovered before Masterson with no other factors? Your Thor hate is legitimately clouding your judgement. Thunderstrike alone has been shown to have greater resistance against lightning then Hercules (Don't remember if he was mortal or immortal but my point stands).

Ares became some sort of spirit and entered Eric's body. Why would he have been hurt significantly by Eric's lightning? How does this make sense when his ENTIRE plan is to have Hercules kill Eric while Ares was in his body? It was the shock of lightning that exercised him from Eric's body, not the damage as only the thunder god can wield the power of Mjolnir. Yup, Hercules somehow straight up enduring lightning better then Thor is a stupid argument in light of everything.

Hera appeared a panel after Crystal was standing over Masterson:
http://s24.postimg.org/9x86m434h/Avengers349_17a.jpg

This entire scene together would take only moments. If he heard the conversation how is it NOT prove that he was conscious? What does Crystal "looking after him" even mean? Do you think she broke some salt capsules under his nose or something?

Yes, it is. Do you not understand the meaning of leverage? Hercules could literally force most of his upper body on the equivalent of Eric's forearm and biceps. HUGE difference in applicable force. Hercules EFFORTLESSLY slammed his hands down twice on the ground? It didn't look like to you that he it required a great deal of effort in these panels?

http://s2.postimg.org/w6cd6mitx/Avengers349_14b.jpghttp://s2.postimg.org/59sdyb00l/Avengers349_15b.jpg

So now Hercules slammed his arm down, FORCED Eric's arm all the way over his head, just so he can slam it back up? Why do you always have to go to stupid extremes?

And why is that not applicable? This was Eric after a very long stint in his career as Thor. Lol, your dishonesty is outstanding. Thor says he bestowed upon him great strength but in that very panel says Eric's arm and hammer pale before his:
http://s2.postimg.org/mwwera5sl/Thor459_03.jpg

There was an Asgardian enchantment or something in the hammer that gave him the body of Thor. That is why he could still become Thor after they had been separated.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You think Ares was hurt by the lightning as well and that he recovered before Masterson with no other factors? Yes, as Hercules points out that the shock of lightning casted him out. And Herc was legitimately shown as better resistance than masterson here.

Not spirit, he assimilated his body with Masterson. That's how he was possessing people back in the day. Yeah, he got shocked but didn't took the lightning. Do you even hear how stupid that sounds. That's what happened. Thor got one upped.

Where he was shown sprawled out unmoving while Herc was already moving. How does that proves your argument?

It could've been anything, the scene was clear in showing that Herc recovered earlier. You dissecting it wouldn't change that.

That's not what happens in comics most of the time. Leverage is relevant but only when its specified that a character is getting overpowered by bad leverage. Herc didn't tell that he got a leverage advantage on Eric, quite opposite actually.
Or do you prefer that Eric was shown stronger by forcing his arm upwards there? Why do you always go against what actually happened on panel when it suits you?

He was still plagued by self doubt. Eric directly points out that he was bragging. Just before that Eric stated that they both wield EXACT same power and a mad, bloodlusted Thor was unable to overpower him.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMastersonThor03459.jpg

They were both shown in exact same position when they were struck by lightning, so the resistance to the lightning is equal.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMastersonThor07.jpg

That was in Thor 458 IIRC. Before that Thor was buried deep withing Eric's mind as he himself says so.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMastersonThor05.jpg

As pointed out by many, Thor went mad around that time so anything he says about his strength and power should be taken with a grain of salt. Not for you perhaps, right?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules20Thor464.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules21.jpg
Hercules broke the grip of Thor and Iron Man at the same time.

http://i.imgur.com/tjSN9e9.jpg

mmm

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
You guys are splitting hairs, the artist is obviously not a black belt in BJJ, and doesn't have to be able to draw out a perfectly executed rear naked choke for us to figure out what's going on.

It is quite ugly though. I'm not either, I just wrestled in high school. I don't see why artists shouldn't be expected to do a little research of things like anatomy and the fighting styles of the characters they're portraying, to be honest.

Though the art is so ugly that I can't with a straight face imply that they would be capable of doing so.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, as Hercules points out that the shock of lightning casted him out. And Herc was legitimately shown as better resistance than masterson here.

So you think Ares displayed better lightning durability then Masterson straight up? And no mind control or whatever was in the works? That he endured a lightning bolt that could have potentially been fatal to Hercules just as well as he did?

Lol, thanks for invalidating your entire argument. I've learned it doesn't particularly matter what the person I'm debating thinks, as long as everyone else knows its bullshit.

Also, your shit still doesn't make sense as the entire point of the encounter makes it clear that Ares is not physically affected by the damage Masterson endures.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not spirit, he assimilated his body with Masterson. That's how he was possessing people back in the day. Yeah, he got shocked but didn't took the lightning. Do you even hear how stupid that sounds. That's what happened. Thor got one upped.

What are you talking about? He turned ghostly and possessed (The actual word used) Masterson or whatever. What does assimilated even mean? That his body was part of Masterson's? How does that even make sense if he wanted Hercules to kill Eric?

Yes, the shock of the lightning bolt freed him. He just wasn't hit by the actual lightning, there is a vast difference as he was possessing Eric who was hit. This isn't rocket science.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Where he was shown sprawled out unmoving while Herc was already moving. How does that proves your argument?

It could've been anything, the scene was clear in showing that Herc recovered earlier. You dissecting it wouldn't change that.

That he was at best down for a second or more then Hercules despite having been mind controlled by Ares.

Basically, I have no answer but I like it so I'm sticking with it? What do you think Crystal bending over Masterson -for a panel- changed as he heard the argument with Hera/Hercules right afterward?

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not what happens in comics most of the time. Leverage is relevant but only when its specified that a character is getting overpowered by bad leverage. Herc didn't tell that he got a leverage advantage on Eric, quite opposite actually.
Or do you prefer that Eric was shown stronger by forcing his arm upwards there? Why do you always go against what actually happened on panel when it suits you?

You want to give Hercules the strength advantage because he forced Eric's arm down, if you want to micro-analyze, don't complain when others do the same. From that position, Hercules has a HUGE advantage in applicable force.

And using your own logic, when a character is straight up overpowered, it's often made very clear who was stronger or at least even hinted at.

I prefer you stop being stupid and we can forget analyzing 3 panels like retards but that isn't likely to happen. So yes, if Hercules was stronger because he forced Masterson's arm down a few inches, then Masterson is stronger still, by a much larger degree I might add, because he forced it back up from an incredibly disadvantageous position.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was still plagued by self doubt. Eric directly points out that he was bragging. Just before that Eric stated that they both wield EXACT same power and a mad, bloodlusted Thor was unable to overpower him.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMastersonThor03459.jpg

That wasn't self-doubt or him whining, that was an estimated guess of how they match up. Throughout the fight, he was commenting on Thor's advantages, because they were in fact advantages that Thor had. This was Masterson at the end of his career as Thor when he became a FAR more competent warrior and so on (As noted by Heimdall and others). Nothing about his fight with Thor indicated that he was losing confidence again, he was just as aggressive.

And in the same fight, he said that Thor had the strength advantage. Not only does there not need to be a contradiction (Overall power is different from strength), why the hell would you give something he shouts out in the heat of battle against an opponent precedence over an assessment he makes to himself?

So Hercules moving Eric's arm while on top of him is evidence of superior strength but this isn't:
http://s22.postimg.org/wlp5k20jh/Thor459_05.jpghttp://s22.postimg.org/4a870r60t/Thor459_06.jpghttp://s22.postimg.org/rcypzx7i5/Thor459_07.jpg

GTFO.

Originally posted by abhilegend
They were both shown in exact same position when they were struck by lightning, so the resistance to the lightning is equal.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMastersonThor07.jpg

Probably on average, sure, but Thor based on sheer will power alone would tank attacks that buckle Masterson. We have plenty of examples indicating that he is no Thor.

And why does this matter? Eric = Thor in lightning resistance so that means Hercules > Thor in lightning resistance or something? If so, that's pretty faulty reasoning based on the circumstances alone and that Masterson is no Thor. On his bad days. It would explain your crazy obtuseness in this discussion however.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was in Thor 458 IIRC. Before that Thor was buried deep withing Eric's mind as he himself says so.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMastersonThor05.jpg

And as I said, it turns out his body was actually an enchantment on Mjolnir or whatever.

Not that this matters, so I'll stop with this avenue of discussion.

Originally posted by abhilegend
As pointed out by many, Thor went mad around that time so anything he says about his strength and power should be taken with a grain of salt. Not for you perhaps, right?

No, not for me, because while Thor was enraged while fighting Masterson (Because he hit Sif), he was still very much sane and in this issue, he was just the same Thor. In the next few issues, he starts getting progressively more violent, getting into fights and so on, but it's not until later on that he becomes insane or delusional. Although why would you not take his own word about his power? Blood and Thunder was proved that he was stronger then most people imagined.

Simply put, the Madness arc started when Starlin came on. This was still DeFalco writing, before any hints of insanity were even mentioned.

Anyways, stick on topic, this is an irrelevant tangent.

Thor wins.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So you think Ares displayed better lightning durability then Masterson straight up? And no mind control or whatever was in the works? That he endured a lightning bolt that could have potentially been fatal to Hercules just as well as he did? And why is that so ludicrous? You think Thunderstrike having better resistance than Hercules is fine but this isn't? GTFO with your BS.

Who died and made you king here? I am stating what happened on panel, you're just BSing your way out of it. "LOLZ, ares showed better resistance. That can't happen." Give me a reason why that invalidates anything at all?

Despite Hercules saying he was freed by Masterson due to the shock and he's lying face down? Oh rage.



Who the **** knows? If he turned ghostly then why was his body freed from Masterson due to the shock?

Tell me, does that somehow made sense in your mind? How the **** did he get shocked when he was ghostly and didn't even get attacked by the lightning?



Again with this? The mental control didn't decrease his durability. If that had happened to Herc, you'd be crowing how Thor outperformed him.

That he recovered later than Herc?



Who is micro-analyzing? The guy who is basically saying what happened on panel or the guy who is trying to actually micro-analyze the showing by using leverages and what not?

Like here?

http://i.imgur.com/tjSN9e9.jpg

Heh, and Hercules is stronger than bot Thor and Iron man, right?



Of course it was. He was doubting himself because he was comparing himself to thor to get Sif. Heh, only you could find advantages for Thor where none exist. No, he was again doubting himself.

He assumed. Later he stated quite opposite. How the **** is Masterson weaker but equally powerful as Thor? God damn it rage.

Where Eric flat out stated why that happened as Thor is a warrior born with centuries of experience?

facepalm



Who cares? He showed that he could take shots as well as Thor in direct comparison.

No. Its just to show that Herc can take lightning as well as Thor. Your paranoia knows no bounds.



Scan stating so please.

Or not.



We have different meanings of being the same Thor apparently. Where his equal BRB pushed his shit in when he stopped holding back?

Not true. He beat BRB pretty savagely in 461 who worried that he was going insane.

So how do you interpret this?

http://i.imgur.com/tjSN9e9.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
And why is that so ludicrous? You think Thunderstrike having better resistance than Hercules is fine but this isn't? GTFO with your BS.

Who died and made you king here? I am stating what happened on panel, you're just BSing your way out of it. "LOLZ, ares showed better resistance. That can't happen." Give me a reason why that invalidates anything at all?

Despite Hercules saying he was freed by Masterson due to the shock and he's lying face down? Oh rage.

You don't think Ares having better lightning resistance then Thor is incredibly ludicrous? Or him recovering at the same time from an attack that might have been fatal to Hercules? What the hell is wrong with you? Do you not understand that to come to the conclusions you are, you'd have to also ignore pretty much everything we know about the respective character when there are perfectly reasonable explanations in the comic?

Thunderstrike having better resistance against LIGHTNING specifically, not anything else. Which based on their respective domains does make sense. Not to mention this was mortal Hercules (I think).

Originally posted by abhilegend
Who the **** knows? If he turned ghostly then why was his body freed from Masterson due to the shock?

Tell me, does that somehow made sense in your mind? How the **** did he get shocked when he was ghostly and didn't even get attacked by the lightning?

Why are you saying if? That's what happened. He turned ghostly and as we know, doing damage to Eric did not physically affect his body. He was still possessing Eric's body and was expelled not unlike demons or whatever often are in fiction.

Eric getting hit by LIGHTNING was enough of a SHOCK to expell him out. I don't mean shock as in he literally got subjected to bolts of electricity. I mean shock as in a large scare/surprise that unsettled him etc. Words have multiple meanings man.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Again with this? The mental control didn't decrease his durability. If that had happened to Herc, you'd be crowing how Thor outperformed him.

That he recovered later than Herc?

I didn't say it would decrease his durability. I did point out that it was a necessary factor in his recovery time.


Originally posted by abhilegend
Who is micro-analyzing? The guy who is basically saying what happened on panel or the guy who is trying to actually micro-analyze the showing by using leverages and what not?

Like here?

http://i.imgur.com/tjSN9e9.jpg

Heh, and Hercules is stronger than bot Thor and Iron man, right?

To determine Hercules overpowering Masterson you would have to micro-analyze because you're basing it on him moving his arm a few inches. Hercules and Thor are equal not clones, they often have back and forth fights as you yourself noted. Which is why Hercules moving it down and then Eric moving it back up is just par for the course.

Why are you trying to bait me to go off on a tangent about an irrelevant scan? Nowhere was it hinted, much less made clear, that Hercules was stronger then Thor. And as someone who has read the era, under that writer, his stance was pretty clear on that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course it was. He was doubting himself because he was comparing himself to thor to get Sif. Heh, only you could find advantages for Thor where none exist. No, he was again doubting himself.

He assumed. Later he stated quite opposite. How the **** is Masterson weaker but equally powerful as Thor? God damn it rage.

Doubt would be Masterson saying he doesn't think he can do this. Not accurate assessments of Thor having a strength advantage, being a battle hardened warrior who can dance around him etc. Besides, at this point into his Thor career, he had come into his own and was very confident. Not to mention he was being compelled into a rage.

There is a difference. We're discussing a comic where Masterson was stated to have the power of Thor but Ares was able to possess him solely because he wasn't a true immortal and was far more vulnerable to certain attacks. On the surface that is also a contradiction but it doesn't have to be if you use even a modicum of intelligence.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Where Eric flat out stated why that happened as Thor is a warrior born with centuries of experience?

facepalm

That's not what he said at all. He "flat out stated" that even with the hammer he still would not have the advantage because Thor's a warrior born:
http://postimg.org/image/rcypzx7i5/

Not that Thor lifted him up over his head and tossed in a contest of strength because of his experience.


Originally posted by abhilegend
Who cares? He showed that he could take shots as well as Thor in direct comparison.

No. Its just to show that Herc can take lightning as well as Thor. Your paranoia knows no bounds.

Scan stating so please.

Or not.

What? If anything, most indirect comparisons indicate that Masterson CANNOT take shots as well as Thor. Did you read DeFalco's run?

Sure, if we ignore the context of Eric Masterson incident and the fact that Eric is no Thor.

Originally posted by abhilegend
We have different meanings of being the same Thor apparently.

It is the same Thor. No Madness was hinted on until the next issue and that in itself took a while as the Valkyrie slowly corrupted Thor's mind.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Where his equal BRB pushed his shit in when he stopped holding back?

Why is this a relevant reply when discussing the accuracy of Thor's words in the same issue? Can you please stick on topic and stop posting red herrings?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not true. He beat BRB pretty savagely in 461 who worried that he was going insane.



Which was written by Starlin and Marz. They came on at #460 (DeFalco's last was #459) and immediately started hinting at Thor having somewhat of an anger problem that had been increasingly growing for a while since his return (A lot of violent bar fights during the time passed between issues and so on).

The comic we're discussing is #459 by DeFalco when Thor was perfectly sane. Which is why referencing Blood and Thunder is not relevant at all.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So how do you interpret this?

http://i.imgur.com/tjSN9e9.jpg

What the scan shows. Iron Man asked Thor to help restrain Hercules. He flings them away as they attempt to do so.

Let me guess? Hercules conclusively overpowered Thor (Although we know how restraining works at times) and even temporarily knocked him out because he was gone for two panels?

Thor could win this if it was purely fist fight.But If Herc starts to play dirty, Herc wins ala Ric Flair style

http://i.imgur.com/frgqQ3Z.gif

Slight edge to Herc.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You don't think Ares having better lightning resistance then Thor is incredibly ludicrous? No, just like you don't think Thunderstrike having better resistance than Herc is ludicrous. When it was specifically stated and you're injecting your own fantasies? Nope.

I would've to see the scene to gauge that feat.



Nope, its your interpretation and it doesn't fits with how Ares functions.

See what I meant by microanalyzing.



Really? Where was that implied?




Heh, but Thor managing to flip Masterson off is a sign of superiority?

But Defalco was writing Thor as stronger than Masterson, right?



Pretty lame excuses if you ask me. Masterson was doubting himself pretty hard in that issue.

Because his mind was vulnerable, his body was as powerful as Thor. Its not the first time it has happened, Red Norvell had the same problem and he beat Thor's ass in the ground



Funny that Masterson wrestled mjolnir from Thor in the very same panel and he declared that Thor is a warrior born while he was flying.




That's not true. He also KOED ulik in four punches while he was pressed when Thor couldn't do that in like a dozen mjolnir shots just two issue ago. Guess he was stronger

Thor is no Eric either.

uhuh



Nope, it was revealed that the separation from Eric was what triggered the madness.



What? Thor said that Eric's arm and hammer pales against his arm and hammer. Now mjolnir>mjolnir?



Oh sorry, forgot it was Starlin.

SMH.



Nope. They were restraining him as he flung them away.



Nope, he overpowered Thor and Iron man together. You were very quick to show Thor breaking off from Herc's grip as to how he's superior but now making excuses where Herc legitimately looked stronger than Thor?

Thor wins.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, just like you don't think Thunderstrike having better resistance than Herc is ludicrous. When it was specifically stated and you're injecting your own fantasies? Nope.

I would've to see the scene to gauge that feat.

Like I said


Nope, its your interpretation and it doesn't fits with how Ares functions.

See what I meant by microanalyzing.



Really? Where was that implied?




Heh, but Thor managing to flip Masterson off is a sign of superiority?

But Defalco was writing Thor as stronger than Masterson, right?



Pretty lame excuses if you ask me. Masterson was doubting himself pretty hard in that issue.

Because his mind was vulnerable, his body was as powerful as Thor. Its not the first time it has happened, Red Norvell had the same problem and he beat Thor's ass in the ground



Funny that Masterson wrestled mjolnir from Thor in the very same panel and he declared that Thor is a warrior born while he was flying.




That's not true. He also KOED ulik in four punches while he was pressed when Thor couldn't do that in like a dozen mjolnir shots just two issue ago. Guess he was stronger

Thor is no Eric either.

uhuh



Nope, it was revealed that the separation from Eric was what triggered the madness.



What? Thor said that Eric's arm and hammer pales against his arm and hammer. Now mjolnir>mjolnir?



Oh sorry, forgot it was Starlin.

SMH.



Nope. They were restraining him as he flung them away.



Nope, he overpowered Thor and Iron man together. You were very quick to show Thor breaking off from Herc's grip as to how he's superior but now making excuses where Herc legitimately looked stronger than Thor?



Really, a week later and all you've done is just repeat the same predictable crap as usual? I almost missed this post too. I wish I would have now.

Anyways, I don't even remember what my original point was anymore so I'll just leave it at this unless you have some new insight outside of what's already been said? If not let me summarize: Eric Masterson is not relevant at all to Thor (The writer has flat out stated that he's no Thor) as has been continuously proven. At his very best, I think he was, or close enough not to matter except against the real Thor, but we're discussing a scenario where he was mind controlled.

And Hercules would lose here.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Really, a week later and all you've done is just repeat the same predictable crap as usual? I almost missed this post too. I wish I would have now. A week? It was two days later. Still in denial I see.

Ok. Herc still overpowered Thor and Iron man.

http://i.imgur.com/tjSN9e9.jpg



Blood Oath disagrees.

Originally posted by abhilegend
A week? It was two days later. Still in denial I see.

Ok. Herc still overpowered Thor and Iron man.

http://i.imgur.com/tjSN9e9.jpg



Blood Oath disagrees.

In denial about what? I thought the post was more recent, but it was 4, not that it matters.

No he didn't. Hercules was going insane and Iron Man/Thor tried to restrain a friend. As we know, someone much weaker can restrain someone and even beings much stronger can fail to do so. I'm guessing it's because they're trying to hold back an opponent without damaging them. And Thor was just grabbing his arm as Hercules burst out.

In about two issues later, under the same writer, they both fought the First Man and we saw how they fared respectively. Also, stop trying to illicit a reaction from me, you're not very good at it.

Blood Oath was chronologically their second fight btw. Either Thor got better at hand to hand or Hercules got worse, either way, it's not relevant anymore.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
In denial about what? I thought the post was more recent, but it was 4, not that it matters. Of course, it doesn't matter since you were wrong.

Yes he did. Thor had grabbed his arm.

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4720/begonebd4.jpg

His arm is going under Herc's armpit.

Don't be butthurt with your little excuses.

You mean where Herc was stated to be weary from dragging Manhattan? Hahaha, oh how you cry context!

Its the most recent telling of how a fight between them would go. Don't be obtuse.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course, it doesn't matter since you were wrong.

I don't even know what you're talking about here. Do you mean I'm wrong because I said you replied a week later instead of 4 days?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes he did. Thor had grabbed his arm.

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4720/begonebd4.jpg

His arm is going under Herc's armpit.

Don't be butthurt with your little excuses.

I don't just look at the pretty pictures. Based on what Iron Man is saying, Thor was just starting to restrain Hercules as he went berserk. Not that it matters, as we know flinging someone away, particularly when they are attempting to restrain you peacefully, doesn't require equal strength, much less superior.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You mean where Herc was stated to be weary from dragging Manhattan? Hahaha, oh how you cry context!

Actually, good point, I'd forgotten about the Marvel Team-Up reference. It said in the caption box that in the morning, he moved Manhattan or whatever in the Spider-Man team up but how does that change the huge disparity?

The First Man literally no sold his punch and one-shotted Hercules more or less:
http://s16.postimg.org/cymw3q83l/Thor_231_10.jpghttp://s13.postimg.org/79t97bspv/Thor_231_11.jpghttp://s13.postimg.org/eeb2gczz7/Thor_231_12.jpghttp://s13.postimg.org/o1ekq2syr/Thor_231_13.jpghttp://s16.postimg.org/h91jzbd6p/Thor_231_15.jpghttp://s16.postimg.org/ynls7labl/Thor_231_16.jpghttp://s13.postimg.org/482gxdfkz/Thor_231_14.jpg

That is a HUGE difference in comparison. I just read the comic and at no point was it specifically said he was much weaker or anything of the sort. At best you can assume he wasn't quite at 100% but like I said, that doesn't not change the disparity. Although I'm sure that if the tables were reversed, you wouldn't give Thor such benefit of the doubt.

Anyways, my point for bringing this up is because you're arguing this writer had Hercules overpower Iron Man/Thor at the same time. For anyone who has read Conway's run on Thor, it's pretty clear that Hercules is at best Thor's equal and there are times, such as against the Destroyer, that Thor has flat out looked better.

It's good to put things into perspective like that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its the most recent telling of how a fight between them would go. Don't be obtuse.

No, the most recent telling would be the fight under Pak not that it changes anything. Chronologically it is their second fight which changes things drastically and makes it irrelevant to current standings. Normally I'd be more lenient but I've seen you use similar logic when it favors you.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't even know what you're talking about here. Do you mean I'm wrong because I said you replied a week later instead of 4 days? Among many things.



Ha, you can read?



Same as half power Thor struggling with a tractor. Silver age goofiness. Herc wasn't at his best as Thor notes.

Herc was never down as he himself says and he was fighting as Sif says to Thor off panel.

Is it? Armak was overpowering Thor as well. So full power Thor would struggle with two tractors? Why not? If Thor hadn't been at 100% I'd give him same treatment.

And here Herc looked better than Thor.

It is?



Its the only fight where a result was made, Herc would choke out Thor in h2h. Thor has no such showings against Herc in h2h so the edge would go to Herc. Its like saying Let the battle begin doesn't matter since its a past story and Thor has stalemated Hulk after that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Among many things.

Ha, you can read?

Yes I can.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Same as half power Thor struggling with a tractor. Silver age goofiness. Herc wasn't at his best as Thor notes.

That's a faulty analogy.

We're discussing relative power and you want to discuss how much Thor can bench or whatever. The former is crucial here, the second is irrelevant.

Not to mention Thor's strength was literally cut in HALF. Here, Hercules is slightly weary. There's a difference between moving down an entire tier or two and not being a 100%.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Herc was never down as he himself says and he was fighting as Sif says to Thor off panel.

What are you talking about? After Armak punches Hercules once, he's knocked down. Even on the TV, we see him lying down and it says he was defeated.

Hercules is JUST getting back up as Thor is flying back. What Krista said doesn't mean Hercules got back up and started trading shots again off-panel or something.

Maybe he wasn't completely unconscious (Even assuming we should take Hercules for his word as that might simply be pride talking) but as far as the fight went, he had lost.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Is it? Armak was overpowering Thor as well. So full power Thor would struggle with two tractors? Why not? If Thor hadn't been at 100% I'd give him same treatment.

And here Herc looked better than Thor.

It is?

Armak getting the momentary advantage and choking Thor is a far cry from no selling his punch and taking the fight out of him with a single hit.

Not really as restraining is far from indicative of relative strength. You yourself have posted scans of Alan Scott restraining Superman for example.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its the only fight where a result was made, Herc would choke out Thor in h2h. Thor has no such showings against Herc in h2h so the edge would go to Herc. Its like saying Let the battle begin doesn't matter since its a past story and Thor has stalemated Hulk after that.



What? So it's the only recent fight that counts, even though they stalemated (Technically Thor actually won as Hercules was down and at his mercy) recently under Pak of all people? Stalemates are noted as well.

Again, it's chronologically their second fight. Thor got better at hand to hand or Hercules got worse. Either way, he, canonically, no longer has the skill edge. I know how you look to fuss about little details like that.

Also, you just said since Hercules beat Thor once, he beats him always, despite saying the exact opposite in the Superman/Wonder Woman thread just now.

Again, stop trying to illicit a response from me. It's petty and you're not very good at it.

If you think I'm saying Herc wins 6-7/10, you'd be wrong. I deem them as equal and based on Blood Oath and dozen stalemates, it'd be like 5.01/10 in herc's favor. If even that makes you feel sour, I can't help with that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
If you think I'm saying Herc wins 6-7/10, you'd be wrong. I deem them as equal and based on Blood Oath and dozen stalemates, it'd be like 5.01/10 in herc's favor. If even that makes you feel sour, I can't help with that.

Yes, it does and you can. Just make it clear Thor wins 6/10.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes, it does and you can. Just make it clear Thor wins 6/10.
Nope. Herc wins. Come back to me when Thor does this to Herc.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules26BloodOath2.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules27.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules28.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules29.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules30.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules31.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules32.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules33.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules34.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules35BloodOath3.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules36.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules37.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules38.jpg

I know it chafes your ass but its the reality buddy. Thor loses here barely, no shame in it. Herc is equal to Thor in everything that matters and he's bulletproof to the eyes.

mmm

Old news. Thor beat Hercules in their most recent fight:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules39IncredibleHercules1.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules40.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules41.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules42.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules43.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules44.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules45.jpg

Don't tell me you took that seriously.

facepalm

Originally posted by abhilegend
Don't tell me you took that seriously.

facepalm

Why shouldn't I? Hercules concession was a show but Thor had him at a clear disadvantage.

Again, usually I'm more lenient, but you posted the Hulk/Thing arm wrestle as evidence of Nuclear explosion tanking (Even though it wasn't even close). If you want to hold people to higher standards, you need to do the same.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why shouldn't I? Hercules concession was a show but Thor had him at a clear disadvantage.

Again, usually I'm more lenient, but you posted the Hulk/Thing arm wrestle as evidence of Nuclear explosion tanking (Even though it wasn't even close). If you want to hold people to higher standards, you need to do the same.
It was all an act bro. Have you seen like any wrestling show?

Heh, why wouldn't I use that to show Hulk/Thing taking a nuke? It was specifically stated to be a nuke, wasn't it?

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was all an act bro. Have you seen like any wrestling show?

Heh, why wouldn't I use that to show Hulk/Thing taking a nuke? It was specifically stated to be a nuke, wasn't it?

Yes, the surrender and concession was an act, Hercules could have probably kept fighting but the fight wasn't an act. It's not comparable to wrestling you simpleton.

Hercules WAS hit in the balls, and it DID take the fight out of him. He WAS at Thor's mercy.

Where was that said? And it was clearly a joke setting as not even top tiers can take Nukes under PAD, much less the Thing, and yet you posted it anyways. It was far less relevant than the Pak Hercules/Thor fight so you have no business trying to dismiss something because you think it had humor in it.

Lmao at Rage.

facepalm

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes, the surrender and concession was an act, Hercules could have probably kept fighting but the fight wasn't an act. How could you possibly compare it to wrestling? Because it was done to impress Elf Queen.

So you think a serious Thor would kick Herc in balls to win here? Shame on you rage, not even Fraction Thor would do that.

In the comic. Who said it was a joke setting? What is this even doing in this thread then? Except that you have a weird sense of obsession with mixing different arguments with no relevance whatsoever.

Originally posted by Mindset
Lmao at Rage.

facepalm
I know right. Just imagining Herc winning against Thor is unfathomable in his mind.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because it was done to impress Elf Queen.

So you think a serious Thor would kick Herc in balls to win here? Shame on you rage, not even Fraction Thor would do that.

In the comic. Who said it was a joke setting? What is this even doing in this thread then? Except that you have a weird sense of obsession with mixing different arguments with no relevance whatsoever.

What was done to impress the Elf-Queen? The surrender was to prevent the war.

So it's not admissible because Thor kicked Hercules in the balls? Where in the rule book was that specified?

If you do not understand why this was a joke setting:
http://zak-site.com/Great-American-Novel/images/Hulk_annual_18_armwrestle.jpg

Then I cannot help you.

My point was that you tried to dismiss this showing due to their being humor.

I realize that the comic was not serious, that it involved a lot of humor and I wouldn't consider it very relevant (Unless someone said Hercules would be playing dirty and Thor could not or something) but you're in no position to dismiss it based on similar arguments.

Basically, they fought and Thor got the advantage by using Hercules' own dirty tricks. Tell me why this is not admissible? I'm not saying Thor BEAT Hercules, I'm saying he got the advantage. Don't get mad that I'm using the same stupid standards for you that you apply to others.

Not to mention this isn't the first time Thor has had the advantage over Hercules:
Originally posted by Damborgson
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules13.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules14.jpg

Giving Hercules the win over Blood Oath because he had the temporary advantage is faulty.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What was done to impress the Elf-Queen? The surrender was to prevent the war. And it was an act which Hercules said lateron.



Rematch... Thor vs Immortal Hercules fist fight

English, do you read it motha****a!

It showed furniture undamaged, so its not a nuke? Why don't you post the previous page where Mentallo outright states its a nuke?



I didn't. I dismissed it because it was an act.



facepalm

Take some deep breaths and calm down man.

Herc actually got game changing advantage via Thor's own admission in Blood Oath as per the rules of the fight here. Not hard to understand. Unless you are a thorbag of course.

re: the above bunch of pages? pretty much why i stay out of this. ftr i agree with abhi's /10 number. the barest advantage to herc.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And it was an act which Hercules said lateron.

What was an act? Post a scan of what you're talking about.

We see them hurt and recovering right after:
http://s4.postimg.org/uuzldnxw9/Inc_Herc_136_Page_018.jpghttp://s4.postimg.org/7i1jv5hsp/Inc_Herc_136_Page_019.jpg

Malekith attacks because they pummeled each other so brutally.

The defeat and surrender to "Hercules" was an act to prevent the war. The fight was real.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Rematch... Thor vs Immortal Hercules fist fight

English, do you read it motha****a!



Then why the hell are you referencing Blood Oath if you think they're going to just stand there and punch each other in the face?

Hercules got the momentary advantage using a HEAD LOCK or whatever.

You aren't even making any sense here.


Originally posted by abhilegend
It showed furniture undamaged, so its not a nuke? Why don't you post the previous page where Mentallo outright states its a nuke?



I don't have the previous page obviously, that's why I googled for that image.

It's not a serious comic not because furniture survived a NUCLEAR explosion but because the Thing, Hulk, and all the villains (Including Mole Man) apparently survived. Under a writer who considers them fatal to Top Tiers in pretty much every other iteration.

But that's beside the point. You consider it valid so you have no grounds to dismiss something because of humor. As long as that's clear.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I didn't. I dismissed it because it was an act.

facepalm

Take some deep breaths and calm down man.

Herc actually got game changing advantage via Thor's own admission in Blood Oath as per the rules of the fight here. Not hard to understand. Unless you are a thorbag of course.

What was an act?

Hercules was winning in Blood Oath via head lock. Thor was winning under Pak via a nut shot.

Originally posted by leonidas
re: the above bunch of pages? pretty much why i stay out of this. ftr i agree with abhi's /10 number. the barest advantage to herc.

Do you agree that Hercules would get the edge or do you agree with his arguments? Curious.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What was an act? Post a scan of what you're talking about.

We see them hurt and recovering right after:
http://s4.postimg.org/uuzldnxw9/Inc_Herc_136_Page_018.jpghttp://s4.postimg.org/7i1jv5hsp/Inc_Herc_136_Page_019.jpg

Malekith attacks because they pummeled each other so brutally.

The defeat and surrender to "Hercules" was an act to prevent the war. The fight was real. Not what he says later to Elf Queen. Anyway that fight isn't important here.



Its a fist fight, not a slugfest. How do you think Thor wins 6/10 in a slugfest?




Torrents are your friend.

The villains had left the house IIRC. That's not true. Lobo survived a nuke in Young Justice IIRC.

I'm not dismissing it because of humor.



Except one is in character for Herc. Kicking somebody in nuts is grossly OOC for Thor.