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Christian. Would you teach your child to use a scapegoat at school?

If not, why do you give your child an example of you doing that immoral thing by planning to use Jesus as your scapegoat?

It is a part of your theology and personal plan to try to take advantage of God sacrificing his son, while at the same time telling your children not to do so at school and man up.

Is it moral for you to say to your child, do as I say and not as I plan to do?

In effect, that is what you Christian parents are doing and showing a corrupt double standard of morality.

Is that good parenting to you?

Care to look at the poor justice of such a policy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA_K5BZmQFM

Regards
DL

How is Jesus a scapegoat?

Where are all the Christians swarming to answer this question?

@bluewaterrider

You forgot to post the 12 other unrelated youtube videos.

If you are going to emulate your hero JIA, then you have to spam a lot harder then that.

Originally posted by Greatest I am


Is it moral for you to say to your child, "Do as I say and not as I plan to do?"



In some circumstances, yes, it is.

For instance, if I know my child is allergic to peanuts,
I would be very remiss not to say to him

"Janus, Daddy's in a hurry.
He's going to make himself a PBJ sandwich and then leave for work.
Don't eat that sandwich. Mommy will be down shortly to fix you breakfast."


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And as for the URL in my previous post, here's the click-able hyperlink version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzSMC5rWvos


(Please note that I am NOT Neil deGrasse Tyson.)

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
In some circumstances, yes, it is.

For instance, if I know my child is allergic to peanuts,
I would be very remiss not to say to him

"Janus, Daddy's in a hurry.
He's going to make himself a PBJ sandwich and then leave for work.
Don't eat that sandwich. Mommy will be down shortly to fix you breakfast."

...

I agree with you. As a parent, safeguarding our children is more important then explaining everything to them.

Intent is everything.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison


I agree with you.

As a parent, safeguarding our children is more important then explaining everything to them.

Intent is everything.




I can't quite agree with intent being everything.


Intentions matter, and matter a great deal, but they are not the whole of a story.


We DO both agree that safeguarding our children is more important than explaining everything to them.

For starters, for children of a certain age at least,
it's not always possible to explain a thing well enough for them to take appropriate action in response.



Incidentally, were you to find a way to view that video clip I posted
(say by ... borrowing a friend's iPhone?),
you'd probably find yourself agreeing with deGrasse Tyson's argument, too.


Actually, since it's short enough,
I'll transcribe the relevant portion of his response here for you:



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"I'm not an "ism" ...
I think for myself.

The moment when someone attaches you to a philosophy or a movement,
then they assign all the baggage and all the rest of the philosophy that goes with it TO you,
and when you want to have a conversation,
they will assert, that they already know everything important there is to know about you,
because of that association.

And that's not the way to have a conversation
I'm sorry. It's not."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzSMC5rWvos

(Neil deGrasse Tyson answering an atheist/theist question)

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I can't quite agree with intent being everything.


Intentions matter, and matter a great deal, but they are not the whole of a story...

You are the most contrary person I have ever met.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzSMC5rWvos

Relevance?

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Relevance?

I know its a requirement for the rest of us, but is that a requirement for BWR?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
How is Jesus a scapegoat?

i John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

The Christians here must be brighter than most and know to stay away from those who can think.

You guys are both a blessing and a curse.

Regards
DL

Originally posted by Greatest I am
i John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

The Christians here must be brighter than most and know to stay away from those who can think.

You guys are both a blessing and a curse.

Regards
DL

Ok thanks, now please give me an example of what a scapegoat at school would be.

Jews.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Jews.

Please explain, unless you were just being sarcastic. In which case I should be ashamed to not get it.

Well, Jesus is a jew and Christians often make jews scapegoats. Ergo...

Why are you all picking on Christian Bale?

His method acting offends my god.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Why are you all picking on Christian Bale?

Who's Christian Bale?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Who's Christian Bale? http://everythingfunny.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/1aaa22.jpg

It's not immoral for someone to *choose* to take their life for you.

1. The only immoral aspect of the idea of scapegoats is that they are forced into it against their will. And the hypocrisy of a human doing it to another human.

2. Jesus chose to die for us.

C. Therefore Jesus isn't a scapegoat.

Originally posted by BananaKing
It's not immoral for someone to *choose* to take their life for you.

1. The only immoral aspect of the idea of scapegoats is that they are forced into it against their will. And the hypocrisy of a human doing it to another human.

2. Jesus chose to die for us.

C. Therefore Jesus isn't a scapegoat.

A scapegoat must be willing, in order for sin to be taken away. Or it could be someone who everyone can blame.

Scapegoat is not well defined in the OP.

1. 2. C

I don't think the OP realises what faith in Jesus' sacrifice means.

If you believe that a life is worth a life, and that a choice is worth a choice, as per the bible, you would avoid murder and rape and so on. But that doesn't mean believers are incapable of doing it.

It's no good saying God forgiving a murderer isn't fair, if the murderer *actually believes he has done wrong and is truly repentant*.

God obviously isn't going to forgive the man if he doesn't *believe* he has done wrong according to God.