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AM at his peak. Who wins?

Not zop's fave.

Nek

Originally posted by guy222
Nek

AM

AM at his peak is simply above Nekron. If anyone has any actual argument that states otherwise, id like to hear it (i doubt there is one, though). Best feat for Nekron was in a pre-crisis GL story (which remained canon post crisis) where he empowered Krona to be able to gradually destroy the universe.....which still isn't enough to defeat a peak AM.

AM wins

Originally posted by operator616
AM at his peak is simply above Nekron. If anyone has any actual argument that states otherwise, id like to hear it (i doubt there is one, though). Best feat for Nekron was in a pre-crisis GL story (which remained canon post crisis) where he empowered Krona to be able to gradually destroy the universe.....which still isn't enough to defeat a peak AM.
And what's AM going to do to Nekron?

Originally posted by zopzop
And what's AM going to do to Nekron?

Well, consider this: Aside from the fact that the Spectre was amped (to a point where he was more powerful than the Voice; while the Voice was not The Presence back then, it was most certainly a high end multiversal entity), Spectre (without any power ups) was so powerful at the time of COIE that even after the battle in his extremely weakened state, a fraction of The Spectre was destroying the universe in the JLA/JSA special (a little later after the crisis), and the other part was battling the Great Evil Beast in Swamp Thing v2 #50. (not to mention that pre-crisis Spectre had feats such as summoning the energies of a hundred universes while being at half power). Yet, Spectre wasn't enough to defeat Anti Monitor (proving that AM was above multiversal beings). That tells me that he has more than enough power to handle Nekron. Don't try using the Spectre whom Nekron faced in Blackest Night because they're not comparable.

Also tell me something: do you actually believe that a peak AM has the kind of low showings that Nekron has (i can name them if you want)? Because that's a big part of the reason why AM wins this.

They're not on the same levels. Don't let your preference for a character cloud your judgment.

Anti Monitor for the massive win. One of the most powerful villains in comics...

Originally posted by operator616
Also tell me something: do you actually believe that a peak AM has the kind of low showings that Nekron has (i can name them if you want)? Because that's a big part of the reason why AM wins this.
. I'm just wondering, what sort of low showings does Nekron have?

Originally posted by operator616
Well, consider this: Aside from the fact that the Spectre was amped (to a point where he was more powerful than the Voice; while the Voice was not The Presence back then, it was most certainly a high end multiversal entity), Spectre (without any power ups) was so powerful at the time of COIE that even after the battle in his extremely weakened state, a fraction of The Spectre was destroying the universe in the JLA/JSA special (a little later after the crisis), and the other part was battling the Great Evil Beast in Swamp Thing v2 #50. (not to mention that pre-crisis Spectre had feats such as summoning the energies of a hundred universes while being at half power). Yet, Spectre wasn't enough to defeat Anti Monitor (proving that AM was above multiversal beings). That tells me that he has more than enough power to handle Nekron. Don't try using the Spectre whom Nekron faced in Blackest Night because they're not comparable.

Also tell me something: do you actually believe that a peak AM has the kind of low showings that Nekron has (i can name them if you want)? Because that's a big part of the reason why AM wins this.

They're not on the same levels. Don't let your preference for a character cloud your judgment.
Sure, knock yourself out. And then when you do that, we'll see how these losses are applicable to the AM/Nekron fight.

Absolutely AM. If it were Sinestro War AM, then Nekron would get the nod.

Originally posted by deathslash
I'm just wondering, what sort of low showings does Nekron have?

See some below.

Originally posted by zopzop
Sure, knock yourself out. And then when you do that, we'll see how these losses are applicable to the AM/Nekron fight.

Im not sure what you mean by "applicable", but let's start:

in Captain Atom #43, he absorbs Nekron's energies:

http://i.imgur.com/QOm0Cmt.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/QZwPRLA.jpg

Now that i think of that's kind of relevant. But it's also worth mentioning: Given what Captain Atom achieved a few issues later, it may be a bit less humiliating.

In Underworld Unleashed, Fate and Alan (with the green flame) owned him pretty badly (literally pushed him into the rift and destroyed it):

http://i.imgur.com/TxX9MfC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YwfzMNV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FdhFW6h.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Upd3hwq.jpg

Kyle withstood a blast and even got the better of him in a GL annual:

http://i.imgur.com/FooFkan.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GBaaLcc.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/AktFHOt.jpg

Ill stop here, and like i told you: AM doesn't have that kind of low showings, since he's on another level.

But enough of the unimpressive moments since the main point is: Nekron doesn't have the feats to compete with Anti Monitor. That should settle it.

Nekron is a universal abstract? Cool, that doesn't mean he can take on AM in any way.

Nekron wins.

Originally posted by zopzop
Sure, knock yourself out. And then when you do that, we'll see how these losses are applicable to the AM/Nekron fight. Holy shitting irony penises.

This post is applicable to everything you've ever said ever.

Originally posted by operator616
See some below.



Im not sure what you mean by "applicable", but let's start:

in Captain Atom #43, he absorbs Nekron's energies:

http://i.imgur.com/QOm0Cmt.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/QZwPRLA.jpg

Now that i think of that's kind of relevant. But it's also worth mentioning: Given what Captain Atom achieved a few issues later, it may be a bit less humiliating.

In Underworld Unleashed, Fate and Alan (with the green flame) owned him pretty badly (literally pushed him into the rift and destroyed it):

http://i.imgur.com/TxX9MfC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YwfzMNV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FdhFW6h.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Upd3hwq.jpg

Kyle withstood a blast and even got the better of him in a GL annual:

http://i.imgur.com/FooFkan.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GBaaLcc.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/AktFHOt.jpg

Ill stop here, and like i told you: AM doesn't have that kind of low showings, since he's on another level.

But enough of the unimpressive moments since the main point is: Nekron doesn't have the feats to compete with Anti Monitor. That should settle it.

Nekron is a universal abstract? Cool, that doesn't mean he can take on AM in any way.
Like I said, how is any of this applicable to AM beating Nekron?
MAGIC IMMUNE Fate being hurled into Nekron, pushing him back to his dimension while Alan Scott seals the rift is a low showing? That's like saying Black Alice owning Spectre is a low showing for Spectre.

Universe creating CA absorbs energy from Nekron and BFRing him means what to AM?
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Holy shitting irony penises.

This post is applicable to everything you've ever said ever.
http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2011/11/Whitney_Hairflip.gif

Originally posted by operator616
Well, consider this: Aside from the fact that the Spectre was amped (to a point where he was more powerful than the Voice; while the Voice was not The Presence back then, it was most certainly a high end multiversal entity), Spectre (without any power ups) was so powerful at the time of COIE that even after the battle in his extremely weakened state, a fraction of The Spectre was destroying the universe in the JLA/JSA special (a little later after the crisis), and the other part was battling the Great Evil Beast in Swamp Thing v2 #50. (not to mention that pre-crisis Spectre had feats such as summoning the energies of a hundred universes while being at half power). Yet, Spectre wasn't enough to defeat Anti Monitor (proving that AM was above multiversal beings). That tells me that he has more than enough power to handle Nekron. Don't try using the Spectre whom Nekron faced in Blackest Night because they're not comparable.

Also tell me something: do you actually believe that a peak AM has the kind of low showings that Nekron has (i can name them if you want)? Because that's a big part of the reason why AM wins this.

They're not on the same levels. Don't let your preference for a character cloud your judgment.

So Spectre's main power was facing AM, concurrent with Original Darkness and Ragnarok?

I knew Swamp Thing Spectre was retconned as being only part of his power, as it stated so in the JSA special (and I thought that was kind of a dick move, because it implied one writers crisis was more important than anothers, even if that other crisis is Presences counterpart). Didn't know about JSA Spectre also being retconned as only a fraction of his power.

^ No. That happened directly after his battle with AM.

In short: The Spectre battles AM, and then goes into coma becoming extremely weak. While being in the comatose state, a part of him subconsciously reaches and starts to destroy the universe (in the JSA special) while his other part battles the Great Evil Beast.

Read this Spectre's Who's Who bio:

http://i.imgur.com/4hWdHl2.jpg?1

Interesting thing is though, there's a writer commentary in The Spectre v2 #2, which specifically attributes the Spectre's defeat against GEB, due to most of his essence being centered in the JSA special:

http://i.imgur.com/hcNGTYj.jpg?1

"Spectre failed during the spiritual crisis because most of his being was involved in the JSA's now historic final case"

Lol, so it's implying that Spectre could have actually stopped the Great Evil Beast had all his power been focused on the spiritual crisis (im gonna dismiss it as a hyperbole, but it does tell us something about how highly regarded The Spectre was, at the time).

Here's another one, from the last pages of the JSA special:

http://i.imgur.com/OHcwCAe.jpg?2

Let's not forget: He achieved all that while being in an extremely weakened state after battling a peak Anti Monitor.....so imagine how powerful he should have been while at full power? And then add the power ups he recieved? And on top of that imagine him being more powerful than The Voice? .......Well, i don't see how anyone can argue for Nekron, but whatever.