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Who wins?




The Cabal

Black Panther
Boltagon
Dr.Doom
Magneto
Dracula
Loki
Namor

Vs

Marvel Earth



Can the Cabal gain rule of the Earth and hold it ?

They do have the element of surprise when shit goes down.

They don't have Reed, so no.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
They don't have Reed, so no.



Nope, but they have Dr.Doom

Alpha Reed, who is inferior to 616 Reed walked around with Doom on a leash for the better part of two arcs.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Alpha Reed, who is inferior to 616 Reed walked around with Doom on a leash for the better part of two arcs.


Not sure what that means lol↑↑↑
But Cabal has element of surprise on there side.

Plus your low-balling Dr.Doom which could get you in trouble
around here just like peeps got for the whole Thanos mess lol jk

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Alpha Reed, who is inferior to 616 Reed walked around with Doom on a leash for the better part of two arcs. Has 616 Reed ever actually beaten Doom?

Doom+Loki+Panther>>>>reed

The Cabal

Black Panther
Boltagon
Dr.Doom
Magneto
Dracula
Loki
Namor

This crew is pretty heavy. .
All or most have there own armies. .

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Alpha Reed, who is inferior to 616 Reed walked around with Doom on a leash for the better part of two arcs. What did you just say, you mother phucker?

Do the other villain fight this team as well?

Nope

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Nope




Only villains that have close ties or usually have alliances with the villians of the Cabal 7 heads


Dr.Doom
Magneto some mutants with ties to him.
Dracula
Loki

It's gotten to the point that Reed openly mocks Doom in his own home, and he just takes it because he knows he's Reed's inferior.

Doom is such a non-threat to Reed that he trusts him to babysit his toddler daughter indefinitely.

You have Strange, Talisman, Shaman, Snowbird, Hulk, possible Juggernaut and others

All you need for Doom...is Lang.
The Inferior Ant-Man.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Has 616 Reed ever actually beaten Doom?

Is this a serious question??

616 Reed is clearly superior to 616 Doom...

Even when they are on the same side, its typically Reeds idea that saves the day while Dooms idea proves inferior (see the Onslaught Saga for example)...

Reed owns Doom...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Is this a serious question??

616 Reed is clearly superior to 616 Doom...

Even when they are on the same side, its typically Reeds idea that saves the day while Dooms idea proves inferior (see the Onslaught Saga for example)...

Reed owns Doom... So, are you going to show me the scans of 616 Reed beating Doom or what?

EDIT: Wait a second here. Reed basically theorized a bunch of shit but did absolutely nothing, nor did he come up with any ideas during that last Onslaught fight. Doom's idea led to the barrier dropping down by using Rogue. Jean's idea led to Onslaught getting shattered using Hulk. And Thor's idea was the entire reason Onslaught was stopped. Reed didn't come up with a single idea besides not letting the mutants get close to Energyslaught

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
So, are you going to show me the scans of 616 Reed beating Doom or what?

EDIT: Wait a second here. Reed basically theorized a bunch of shit but did absolutely nothing, nor did he come up with any ideas during that last Onslaught fight. Doom's idea led to the barrier dropping down by using Rogue. Jean's idea led to Onslaught getting shattered using Hulk. And Thor's idea was the entire reason Onslaught was stopped. Reed didn't come up with a single idea besides not letting the mutants get close to Energyslaught

Fantastic Four 200 off the top of my head; I am sure there are other showings though:

And Dooms done:

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Fantastic Four 200 off the top of my head; I am sure there are other showings though:

2 issues prior:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/doom/FF198_32.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/doom/FF198_33.jpg

The same issue:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/doom/FF200_25.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/doom/FF200_26.jpg

The next three pages after your scan:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/doom/FF200_44.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/doom/FF200_45.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/doom/FF200_46.jpg

Keep in mind Reed had to come out of nowhere and completely depower Doom with a device, and all he could do was take off Doom's mask.

At the end of the day Reed won...

You asked if Reed had ever beat Doom; the answer is yes...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
At the end of the day Reed won...

You asked if Reed had ever beat Doom; the answer is yes... If you think getting choked to death and only removing a mask counts as a win...

Well, you'd probably be the type of guy who posts this as a win for Reed:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14668416


But yeah, you only made that worse by highlighting that fight. Reed owns Doom apparently though

He got Dooms ugly face up on screen; Doom couldnt take it...

Doom lost...

Well, desperation to be right I guess.

Anyway, I've read a lot of F4, and I honestly can't recall Reed actually beating Doom. So just saying that an alt Reed binded Doom doesn't mean much when 616 Reed couldn't do the same. Hell, Reed actually got so desperate after Unthinkable that he trapped Doom in a dimension with him that ended with Doom forcing Reed to kill Thing.

Actually, you might be able to count Unthinkable, mind you Doom wasn't finished, and that would be a terrible arc to use to show Reed > Doom. Doom actually had to give Reed a weapon capable of defeating him that Reed spent quite a while trying to figure out, and Reed had the entire F4 on his side as well.

Doom is far above Reed when they go head to head. Reed isn't an adequate counter for Doom.