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Goblin Force kills them all.

Very powerful

One cannot live without the other, stalemate.

Wish First Fallen showed more potential

Originally posted by guy222
Wish First Fallen showed more potential
You and me both Guy. Cool concept that fell apart (like everything else Marvel does).

So so true

Phoenix Force. In that alternate reality Goblin Force clearly didnt consume the whole Phoenix Force as demonstrated by the lack of universal consequences. He merely consumed the Firebird avatar which is exactly that....an avatar.

"The Phoenix avatar"

http://imageshack.com/a/img145/6177/excalibur050p17.jpg

"The cosmic avatar she hosts"

http://imageshack.com/a/img136/7776/excalibur050p22.jpg


As Galactus puts it just an expression of the universal life force:

http://imageshack.com/a/img67/7536/excalibur061p21.jpg

Not its sum.

The firebird contrary to popular belief is not the sum of the Phoenix Force. It is an expression of it within reality. The full Phoenix Force is the energies of creation that forged the universe with its power:

http://s26.postimg.org/61779gm85/Wolverine_and_the_X_Men_2014_003_011.jpg

and that will eventually end it under the natural scheme of things.

That last sentence is significant. Some would say that Sise Neg and this and that person created the universe, however these instances were instances of artificial interference. As stated and visually depicted numerous times on panel as per the natural scheme of things, it is the Phoenix Force that is the beginning and end of reality. Thats different.

PF wins. Far superior feats on panel.

Good to see u friend

Goblin Force gets an early Thanksgiving meal. Once again.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Goblin Force gets an early Thanksgiving meal. Once again.

Ahhh. Previous username TheGodkiller eh? All makes sense now

PF for the win

In-comic confirmation...
"We watched as it devoured the Phoenix Force and added its already immense power to its own.":
http://i.imgur.com/xjbbZm9.jpg

Handbook confirmation...
"At an unrevealed point, it encountered Reality-1298's Phoenix Force and devoured it, absorbing its power.":
http://i.imgur.com/gb4cmeg.jpg

The intent is clear: the GF devoured/absorbed that reality's Phoenix Force--not just an avatar or w/e. If the latter were intended, the latter would have been stated.


As for this thread, the GF wins.

Gobbie Force

Originally posted by Galan007
In-comic confirmation...
"We watched as it devoured the Phoenix Force and added its already immense power to its own.":
http://i.imgur.com/xjbbZm9.jpg

Handbook confirmation...
"At an unrevealed point, it encountered Reality-1298's Phoenix Force and devoured it, absorbing its power.":
http://i.imgur.com/gb4cmeg.jpg

The intent is clear: the GF devoured/absorbed that reality's Phoenix Force--not just an avatar or w/e. If the latter were intended, the latter would have been stated.


As for this thread, the GF wins.

Not as simple as that mate.

The Handbook you reference also mentions that the Phoenix Force is a multiversal entity so if thats the case then the absorption of the firebird within that reality involved its avatar/representation within that reality.

That also explains why there were no resultant universal effects.

The firebird is an avatar of the Force. As Galactus states it is its expression within reality. Whilst its not its sum, it is still the Phoenix Force and is rightly referred to as such.

The PF featured in both Endsong and in Warsong was widely known to be just a shard of the Phoenix Force however in referencing the story the handbook merely refers to it as the Phoenix Force.

It is the same as when the Mbody of an abstract is referred to as that entity because it is that entity in a fashion.

The Phoenix Force is the sentient Big Bang. The energies of creation that physically make up all that is, as opposed to Eternity who is the concept of all that is along the chronal axis without being inherently physical.

The PF manifests within reality as the firebird avatar, or it allows itself to be channeled through a host.

As demonstrated in Excalibur (and as is obviously the case given its nature) no Phoenix Force equals a void.

Mutant X depicted the absorption of that realities PF avatar. That is all.

... on panel artistic depictions/actions occurring >>> on panel verbal claims. (from a nobody at that)
Originally posted by Galan007
In-comic confirmation...
"We watched as it devoured the Phoenix Force and added its already immense power to its own.":
http://i.imgur.com/xjbbZm9.jpg

Handbook confirmation...
"At an unrevealed point, it encountered Reality-1298's Phoenix Force and devoured it, absorbing its power.":
http://i.imgur.com/gb4cmeg.jpg

The intent is clear: the GF devoured/absorbed that reality's Phoenix Force--not just an avatar or w/e. If the latter were intended, the latter would have been stated.

As for this thread, the GF wins.

Originally posted by Mr Master
... on panel artistic depictions/actions occurring >>> on panel verbal claims. (from a nobody at that)





Miss me?

Originally posted by Galan007
Handbook confirmation...
"At an unrevealed point, it encountered Reality-1298's Phoenix Force and devoured it, absorbing its power.":
http://i.imgur.com/gb4cmeg.jpg


Actually that only confirms that GF only absorbed one of PF avatar, because PF being multiversal being. So PF as a whole completely untouched or unphased by that incident. So powerwise, PF wins this.

Originally posted by Xplosive

Actually that only confirms that GF only absorbed one of PF avatar, because PF being multiversal being. So PF as a whole completely untouched or unphased by that incident. So powerwise, PF wins this.
Seriously, you should just copy/paste the other's post next time, or, just quote his post.

PF being "multiversal?" ... "PF avatar?" ...

It was simply the Phoenix Force of Reality 1298. That is all. The PF of that reality was stomped and absorbed. Simple.

Just like 616 reality PF, or as the guy who's post you're repeating verbatim style, the ... "multiversal being PF" lol, got stomped by:

Xorn (blew up the PF into billions of pieces)

Shiar Tech (forced resurrected the PF and blew it to pieces likewise)

Galactus Tech (was ripping the PF in half, killing it. Big G decided to allow the PF to exist)

Miss Death (manipulated the PF)

Ultraverse Alien Ship (while located in another multiverse,
bfr'd the PF into its universe, then, impaled the PF with an energy
lance nearly killing the PF after draining much of its energies.

5 Ultraforce heroes and Rogue, while weak and battered,
stalemated a fresh, optimally conditioned PF.

------------------------------------

Let me know if you need more examples,
of regular joes >>> multiversal being/big bang energies turned sentient dur

I have 4 more in wait.

Yeah and omnipotent LT was killed on the moon

Though it must be said, at least the LT has the excuse of M-bodies.....

Originally posted by Xplosive
Yeah and omnipotent LT was killed on the moon ...By a yet unknown force. For all we know, TOAA himself might have stepped down and smited him.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Though it must be said, at least the LT has the excuse of M-bodies.....

Which Mr Master is always specifically saying that his M-bodies have his full powers, nowhere was said otherwise.

Originally posted by Galan007
...By a yet unknown force. For all we know, TOAA himself might have stepped down and smited him.

And due to LT reputation, that would be his only justified excuse for being killed.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ahhh. Previous username TheGodkiller eh? All makes sense now

PF for the win
So you remember me. Good. I am genuinely touched by this gesture.

Originally posted by Xplosive

Which Mr Master is always specifically saying that his M-bodies have his full powers, nowhere was said otherwise.
This is true. Yet, we have no idea who/what/how that occurred to the LT.

But if it was anything close to a level of power comparable to Xorn, the Alien Ship, Galactus tech,
Shiar tech, or Six B-list heroes, ... I'll be forced to take your side.

Until then, no point in bringing up that disconnected/unrelated reference, like at all.

Originally posted by Mr Master
But if it was anything close to a level of power comparable to Xorn, the Alien Ship, Galactus tech,
Shiar tech, or six b-list heroes, ... I'll be forced to take your side.

I never take that seriously, because then you have PF performing feats that would smite everything you listed in this post.

Originally posted by Xplosive

I never take that seriously, because then you have PF performing feats that would smite everything you listed in this post.
Whether you wish to accept or not, On panel evidence backed by handbooks is not my concern.

Everything I posted is 100% canon! (on panel and bios)

That aside, so ... what feat again is it you know of?

Here, let me help you:

I would say the PF burning up the contents of that What IF/Alternate reality
(galaxies/stars/planets only - not Eternity/Infinity/Space-Time)

Unfortunately for you though, I, actually We, don't take that "seriously" since well .. it's actually non-canon,
but more importantly not applicable in kmc towards 616 characters.

So .. wut do ya got?

No Mr Master... who do you think is really more powerful.... Phoenix Force or Xorn?