HOTM Hulk/Superman vs Thor/Silver Surfer

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guy222
wink

Insane Titan
Team 2 ftw

guy222
T1

h1a8
Hulk solos

guy222
Woo hoo

pym-ftw
Hulk punches Superman killing the other team aswell

carver9
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Hulk punches Superman killing the other team aswell

laughing out loud

guy222
Haha

LordofBrooklyn
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Hulk punches Superman killing the other team aswell

REPORTED.

carver9
Lol

God Cloth Seiya
What's stopping hulk from soloing?

carver9
Team 2 could win a majority. Both know Hulk and if they are seeing green energy oozing off of Hulk...him taking a footstep destroying the surrounding area, I don't think either of them would be idiotic enough to fight him. With that said, even with CIS on, I can see either Thor or Surfer bfring Hulk during the beginning of the match...since they are full aware of how powerful Hulk is without this type of amp (and then they are looking at this guy going Super Saiyan). If team 2 fights smart like I think they would, they could pull the majority. If Thor tries to fight this Hulk, this would be a 3 panel fight. Team 2 for the majority. Use WWH and things would be different. I would give team 1 the overwhelming majority (yep, I said it rage).

guy222
T1 still

Insane Titan
T2 still

bbrem123
team 2

h1a8
Originally posted by Insane Titan
T2 still how can anyone on team 2 prevent from being one shot?

Insane Titan
Originally posted by h1a8
how can anyone on team 2 prevent from being one shot? by the same tactic you use , team 2 using black holes , Surfers speed , intangibility. Both surfer and Thor using their energy draining powers or Thor's god blast.

bbrem123
energy drain ftw

carver9
Originally posted by bbrem123
energy drain ftw

Won't work. Without bfr...Team 2 get their brain punched out.

guy222
Yay

JBL
Team 2.

Mindship
If Surfer and Thor fight Hulk and Superman the way they fight each other, Surfer and Thor will likely lose.

h1a8
Originally posted by Insane Titan
by the same tactic you use , team 2 using black holes , Surfers speed , intangibility. Both surfer and Thor using their energy draining powers or Thor's god blast. Ok, but Superman is going to prevent Surfer from such tactics, or at least buy Hulk some time until a thunderclap.

I don't believe Surfer nor Thor can drain Hulk faster than he can gain energy. He went from Banner to world breaker in an instant. Also, it takes time to drain. Hulk isn't just going to sit there and allow it to happen. Neither is Superman.

superman is Hulks protector, without him surfer can win by the blackhole tactic.

JBL
Originally posted by h1a8
Ok, but Superman is going to prevent Surfer from such tactics, or at least buy Hulk some time until a thunderclap.

I don't believe Surfer nor Thor can drain Hulk faster than he can gain energy. He went from Banner to world breaker in an instant. Also, it takes time to drain. Hulk isn't just going to sit there and allow it to happen. Neither is Superman.

superman is Hulks protector, without him surfer can win by the blackhole tactic. So superman is going to protect hulk when he is a target for energy drain also? He's going to protect hulk while surfer quick drains him or thor roast him with a magic light speed hammer? Pairing thor with surfer is a nightmare for hulk and superman.

Damborgson
Originally posted by h1a8

superman is Hulks protector



laughing

carver9
Originally posted by JBL
So superman is going to protect hulk when he is a target for energy drain also? He's going to protect hulk while surfer quick drains him or thor roast him with a magic light speed hammer? Pairing thor with surfer is a nightmare for hulk and superman.

Roast this version of Hulk?

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk7.jpg

I HONESTLY cant see that happening. Energy drain isn't happening either since it was attempted (on WWH) and it was stated as being felt like energy was being pulled from an unlimited source of power. Their only hope in this battle would be bfring because a punch from this version of Hulk would be devastating to either one of them.

JBL
Originally posted by carver9
Roast this version of Hulk?

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk7.jpg

I HONESTLY cant see that happening. Energy drain isn't happening either since it was attempted (on WWH) and it was stated as being felt like energy was being pulled from an unlimited source of power. Their only hope in this battle would be bfring because a punch from this version of Hulk would be devastating to either one of them. Not on hulk. On superman.

guy222
Liking Hulkie and Supes

-Pr-
Draining Superman is as likely as draining Hulk, i.e. not very.

JBL
Originally posted by -Pr-
Draining Superman is as likely as draining Hulk, i.e. not very. Combine the power of Thor's hammer and Surfers power cosmic, there will be no need to drain superman. Draining him or blasting him with red solar radiation on a scale he has never seen before is just two of many options team two have at their disposal. Hulk is the threat here and would very quickly find himself fighting alone or floating in a black hole or the center of a red sun.

guy222
Won't work

-Pr-
Originally posted by JBL
Combine the power of Thor's hammer and Surfers power cosmic, there will be no need to drain superman. Draining him or blasting him with red solar radiation on a scale he has never seen before is just two of many options team two have at their disposal. Hulk is the threat here and would very quickly find himself fighting alone or floating in a black hole or the center of a red sun.

I never said they weren't options, though might want to reign in the "never seen before" as that's pushing it a tad.

Even as DCNU Superman, he hasn't exactly been fighting street levellers as of late.

JBL
Originally posted by guy222
Won't work For every 1 time superman has resisted being drained, there are 10 where he's been drained. For every 1 time he's resisted red sun radiation, he has fallen 10 times to it. His " going down to it " FAR more consistant. The majority will always win in any debate.

-Pr-
That's not true. Or are you including PIS? Probably, I'm guessing.

JBL
Originally posted by -Pr-
That's not true. Or are you including PIS? Probably, I'm guessing. PIS is when he resists something that has a very long history of putting him down or being able to kill him. Their effects were put into place a long long time ago and still without change, applies today for the character superman.

-Pr-
I didn't know you were the sole authority on what was and was not PIS for Superman.

Good to know.

But seriously, no. It goes the other way just as much, if not more.

JBL
Originally posted by -Pr-
I didn't know you were the sole authority on what was and was not PIS for Superman.

Good to know.

But seriously, no. It goes the other way just as much, if not more. This applies to any character with a deadly weakness, but the subject here is superman. I know what plot induced stupidity is and how to seperate it from a characters showings. If we take a vote on whether or not kyrtonite, red sun radiation or being drained of solar energy would put him down or kill him, he would lose by feats, narration, bios from both fans and writers and characters both heros and foes.

LordofBrooklyn
Superman isn't getting drained quickly enough to remove him as a threat.

I presume in JBL's scenario The Man of Steel is simply relaxing while Thor and Surfer attempt this tactic.

Badabing
LoB wanted me to share this with everybody. thumb up

JBL
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Superman isn't getting drained quickly enough to remove him as a threat.

I presume in JBL's scenario The Man of Steel is simply relaxing while Thor and Surfer attempt this tactic. I withdraw my statement about "fans". How about this scenario. Thor and surfer just try and punch it out with hulk and lose, thus team 1 wins. Better scenario to your liking?

LordofBrooklyn
Originally posted by Badabing
LoB wanted me to share this with everybody. thumb up

If you do this my rage will DESTROY KMC!

mad

LordofBrooklyn
Originally posted by JBL
I withdraw my statement about "fans". How about this scenario. Thor and surfer just try and punch it out with hulk and lose, thus team 1 wins. Better scenario to your liking?

An even better scenario would be showing how often and effective your strategy has been utilized against Superman.

Badabing
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
If you do this my rage will DESTROY KMC!

mad laughing out loud

-Pr-
Originally posted by JBL
This applies to any character with a deadly weakness, but the subject here is superman. I know what plot induced stupidity is and how to seperate it from a characters showings. If we take a vote on whether or not kyrtonite, red sun radiation or being drained of solar energy would put him down or kill him, he would lose by feats, narration, bios from both fans and writers and characters both heros and foes.

Way to change the subject there.

Nobody said they couldn't be used to harm him.

Badabing
Yeah!

Shut up JBSmell. sneer

abhilegend
Surfer isn't draining either Hulk or Superman.

guy222
Agreed

h1a8
Originally posted by JBL
So superman is going to protect hulk when he is a target for energy drain also? He's going to protect hulk while surfer quick drains him or thor roast him with a magic light speed hammer? Pairing thor with surfer is a nightmare for hulk and superman. lol if Surfer goes for the drain then Superman simply avoids it by
1. Blitzing him first
2. Going intangible
3. Evading the blast
4. allowing it but knocking Surfer silly in the process
5. Allowing it so that Hulk can kill him.

Note: For 4. or 5. Draining ones energy takes a lot of time. A second to Superman is like forever.

JBL
Originally posted by h1a8
lol if Surfer goes for the drain then Superman simply avoids it by
1. Blitzing him first
2. Going intangible
3. Evading the blast
4. allowing it but knocking Surfer silly in the process
5. Allowing it so that Hulk can kill him.

Note: For 4. or 5. Draining ones energy takes a lot of time. A second to Superman is like forever.

1. So can surfer and dont forget a magic hammer is aimed at superman also.
2. So can surfer and dont forget a magic hammer can hit or blast intangible objects.
3. Blast does not have to hit him to bring him down, he WILL get hit anyway.
4. Yeah, allow someone who can transmute, create or drain various forms of energy with cosmic awareness to blast you roll eyes (sarcastic)
5. Same as four but good luck waiting for hulk to find his way out of a black hole a million miles away or on some unknown planet like juggernaut was.


Note: If surfer knows that one ( draining him ) would weaken him and two ( red sun/kytonite ) would take his powers or kill him..... Which do you think he will use? Then there's a hammer loaded with pure power circling around that can do damn near anything surfer can do.

h1a8
Originally posted by JBL
1. So can surfer and dont forget a magic hammer is aimed at superman also.
2. So can surfer and dont forget a magic hammer can hit or blast intangible objects.
3. Blast does not have to hit him to bring him down, he WILL get hit anyway.
4. Yeah, allow someone who can transmute, create or drain various forms of energy with cosmic awareness to blast you roll eyes (sarcastic)
5. Same as four but good luck waiting for hulk to find his way out of a black hole a million miles away or on some unknown planet like juggernaut was.


Note: If surfer knows that one ( draining him ) would weaken him and two ( red sun/kytonite ) would take his powers or kill him..... Which do you think he will use? Then there's a hammer loaded with pure power circling around that can do damn near anything surfer can do. lol if Surfer goes for the drain then Superman simply avoids it by
1. Blitzing him first
2. Going intangible
3. Evading the blast
4. allowing it but knocking Surfer silly in the process
5. Allowing it so that Hulk can kill him.

Note: For 4. or 5. Draining ones energy takes a lot of time. A second to Superman is like forever.

1. surfer doesn't blitz. He's a blaster. If both Thor and Surfer are aimed at Superman then Hulk kills them. Again, Superman is the protector.

2. surfer can go intangible but he can't attack while intangible. mjolnir has no feats of affecting the intangible. I already debunked the vision feat. Plus Superman is too fast for Thor.

3. If Surfer employs those tactics that you are suggesting then Superman employs the tactic of evading getting hit by using speed and intangibility like he has done so many times. Matter of fact, Superman has employed evading attacks more than Surfer has done those tactics. Superman has gotten hit less times than Surfer is not seen doing those tactics.

4. Draining isn't instant. Allowing that blast and Superman easily knocks Surfer for a loop. surfer can't transmute anyone here so why bring that up? Superman's power is based off his will. He can resist red solar radiation enough to hit Surfer under full capacity rules. Unless you are arguing that Superman will never hit Surfer.

5. superman is going to prevent Surfer from black hole blasting Hulk by blitzing him. Thor is never going to bfr hulk. Even if he does then a thunderclap is infinitely faster than Thor can bfr.

finally, you are using fallacies. I told you ways Superman can avoid an attack, yet you are saying Surfer can do it too. How does that defeat the argument that Superman can still avoid the attack?

JBL
Originally posted by h1a8
lol if Surfer goes for the drain then Superman simply avoids it by
1. Blitzing him first
2. Going intangible
3. Evading the blast
4. allowing it but knocking Surfer silly in the process
5. Allowing it so that Hulk can kill him.

Note: For 4. or 5. Draining ones energy takes a lot of time. A second to Superman is like forever.

1. surfer doesn't blitz. He's a blaster. If both Thor and Surfer are aimed at Superman then Hulk kills them. Again, Superman is the protector.

2. surfer can go intangible but he can't attack while intangible. mjolnir has no feats of affecting the intangible. I already debunked the vision feat. Plus Superman is too fast for Thor.

3. If Surfer employs those tactics that you are suggesting then Superman employs the tactic of evading getting hit by using speed and intangibility like he has done so many times. Matter of fact, Superman has employed evading attacks more than Surfer has done those tactics. Superman has gotten hit less times than Surfer is not seen doing those tactics.

4. Draining isn't instant. Allowing that blast and Superman easily knocks Surfer for a loop. surfer can't transmute anyone here so why bring that up? Superman's power is based off his will. He can resist red solar radiation enough to hit Surfer under full capacity rules. Unless you are arguing that Superman will never hit Surfer.

5. superman is going to prevent Surfer from black hole blasting Hulk by blitzing him. Thor is never going to bfr hulk. Even if he does then a thunderclap is infinitely faster than Thor can bfr.

finally, you are using fallacies. I told you ways Superman can avoid an attack, yet you are saying Surfer can do it too. How does that defeat the argument that Superman can still avoid the attack? Show me superman going intangible and attacking someone or red sun radiation or kytonite not affecting him. I could show a scan of thor going intangable without his hammer.

h1a8
Originally posted by JBL
Show me superman going intangible and attacking someone or red sun radiation or kytonite not affecting him. I could show a scan of thor going intangable without his hammer. when I get home. Unless abhi can show one. In the meantime it was when two Mongols were shooting blasts at Superman. Superman went intangible while still pursuing to attack them.

When Superman fought Prime he fought near and inside a red giant star and not died. He lost power yes but it wasn't instant. And a red giant star has more red solar radiation than Surfer can output.

You can't show Thor going intangible without Mjolnir under his own power because he never has done it. But what does that have to do with him affecting the intangible?

JBL
Originally posted by h1a8
when I get home. Unless abhi can show one. In the meantime it was when two Mongols were shooting blasts at Superman. Superman went intangible while still pursuing to attack them.

When Superman fought Prime he fought near and inside a red giant star and not died. He lost power yes but it wasn't instant. And a red giant star has more red solar radiation than Surfer can output.

You can't show Thor going intangible without Mjolnir under his own power because he never has done it. But what does that have to do with him affecting the intangible? http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/96884/2067907-thor119b.jpg

Its nothing thor has not seen nor defeated before. PIS is not helping supermans case.

LordofBrooklyn
As a pre-emptive to the HATED JBL, Mjolnir can affect intangible objects.

It won't matter though as Superman knocks the hammer from his hand long enough to crush him!

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by JBL
Show me superman going intangible and attacking someone


http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/78294/1511179-supermanfast3ar.jpg


http://img-cache.cdn.gaiaonline.com/deb3534cee92bf1a1122b46964dd026f/http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/BlackMarket99/scan0022.jpg
http://img-cache.cdn.gaiaonline.com/282efcb564dfe77b4a717afc11315abd/http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/BlackMarket99/scan0023.jpg
http://img-cache.cdn.gaiaonline.com/315f4abb20c9eb316e2b552fb7da392a/http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/BlackMarket99/scan0024.jpg


http://img-cache.cdn.gaiaonline.com/6f6b29e141a312e9128f07d072da3c39/http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/supesnuke.jpg
http://img-cache.cdn.gaiaonline.com/e071e855914602da315cd2f4d346d8ef/http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/supesnuke2.jpg

Admittedly, he IS affected. But with K-nite, not before he is still able to use his HV, fly, and withstand a nuke (with Metallo).

With red sun radiation and Kryptonite, despite flying THROUGH the red sun, and THROUGH K-nite, he is still able to fly, survive flying through a star, and still survives re-entry into Mogo, plus a HV sucker attack from an unaffected Silve Age SBP.

DarkSaint85
More intangibility:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/26196/3068050-5971975877-29921.jpg

He's invisible, so light is not reflecting off him.

Supergirl can do it too:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/79345/3282128-supergirl+v5+%2355+-+page+8.jpg

JBL
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/78294/1511179-supermanfast3ar.jpg


http://img-cache.cdn.gaiaonline.com/deb3534cee92bf1a1122b46964dd026f/http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/BlackMarket99/scan0022.jpg
http://img-cache.cdn.gaiaonline.com/282efcb564dfe77b4a717afc11315abd/http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/BlackMarket99/scan0023.jpg
http://img-cache.cdn.gaiaonline.com/315f4abb20c9eb316e2b552fb7da392a/http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/BlackMarket99/scan0024.jpg


http://img-cache.cdn.gaiaonline.com/6f6b29e141a312e9128f07d072da3c39/http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/supesnuke.jpg
http://img-cache.cdn.gaiaonline.com/e071e855914602da315cd2f4d346d8ef/http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/supesnuke2.jpg

Admittedly, he IS affected. But with K-nite, not before he is still able to use his HV, fly, and withstand a nuke (with Metallo).

With red sun radiation and Kryptonite, despite flying THROUGH the red sun, and THROUGH K-nite, he is still able to fly, survive flying through a star, and still survives re-entry into Mogo, plus a HV sucker attack from an unaffected Silve Age SBP. Nice scans. BUT? I can run quickly through a wall of fire or tear gas and not be affected anywhere near if someone hit me with a flamethrower.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by JBL
Nice scans. BUT? I can run quickly through a wall of fire or tear gas and not be affected anywhere near if someone hit me with a flamethrower.

So if Superman was fast enough, Surfer/Thor's attacks won't hurt him? stick out tongue

Not sure how speed saved him on the K-nite island, when he's surrounded by it?

JBL
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
More intangibility:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/26196/3068050-5971975877-29921.jpg

He's invisible, so light is not reflecting off him.

Supergirl can do it too:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/79345/3282128-supergirl+v5+%2355+-+page+8.jpg I understand what you are showing, but that will not save him in this fight. Vibrating foes are the last thing surfer or thor would worry about.

LordofBrooklyn
Originally posted by JBL
Nice scans. BUT? I can run quickly through a wall of fire or tear gas and not be affected anywhere near if someone hit me with a flamethrower.

You have debased yourself!

What more proof do you need?

JBL
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So if Superman was fast enough, Surfer/Thor's attacks won't hurt him? stick out tongue

Not sure how speed saved him on the K-nite island, when he's surrounded by it? Superman is not too fast for either of them. There is a difference between being around something and that something being pumped into you. stick out tongue . lol

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by JBL
Superman is not too fast for either of them. There is a difference between being around something and that something being pumped into you. stick out tongue . lol

Red sun radiation is at the speed of light :-p And surely the red sun rads were being pumped into him?

carver9
They were affected by the Kryptonite and red sun radiation when they flew through it. Superman, old Superman, and Prime was nearly powerless when they hit the planet. Hell, Prime tried to shoot heat vision and it dispersed. Good ft showing Superman isn't affected by it immediately but in the end, he was nearly human.

The speed fts are legit though and I think Superman IS faster than Thor and Surfer to a pretty good degree. To the point that he will land the first three hits during this fight on either of them. Anyone denying Superman isn't faster than either of these individuals is crazy. That doesn't give him the win here though.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Hell, Prime tried to shoot heat vision and it dispersed.
http://img-cache.cdn.gaiaonline.com/315f4abb20c9eb316e2b552fb7da392a/http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/BlackMarket99/scan0024.jpg

Not quite.



Woah. Let's not lowball here. Humans don't survive crash landings after flying at high speeds from SPACE into a planet, then a sucker punch HV from a Silver Age level supervillain with poor power control issues.

In any case, I only posted it because JBL wanted to see Supes going intangible (which I think I have); and Knite/red sun rads not affecting Supes. I like how no one has picked up on him tanking a nuke whilst surrounded by K-nite, and yet can still fly, have HV, has super durability and can use telescopic vision....

BlueFnord
HoTM Hulk makes this T1 convincingly imo.

-Pr-
Originally posted by carver9
They were affected by the Kryptonite and red sun radiation when they flew through it. Superman, old Superman, and Prime was nearly powerless when they hit the planet. Hell, Prime tried to shoot heat vision and it dispersed. Good ft showing Superman isn't affected by it immediately but in the end, he was nearly human.

The speed fts are legit though and I think Superman IS faster than Thor and Surfer to a pretty good degree. To the point that he will land the first three hits during this fight on either of them. Anyone denying Superman isn't faster than either of these individuals is crazy. That doesn't give him the win here though.

All three were weakened by the red sun at the very least. Our Superman was affected by the Kryptonite too.

Stoic
Originally posted by carver9
They were affected by the Kryptonite and red sun radiation when they flew through it. Superman, old Superman, and Prime was nearly powerless when they hit the planet. Hell, Prime tried to shoot heat vision and it dispersed. Good ft showing Superman isn't affected by it immediately but in the end, he was nearly human.

The speed fts are legit though and I think Superman IS faster than Thor and Surfer to a pretty good degree. To the point that he will land the first three hits during this fight on either of them. Anyone denying Superman isn't faster than either of these individuals is crazy. That doesn't give him the win here though.

Flight speed on average would actually go to Thor, and the Surfer. Movement or battle speed goes to Superman. Weakness exploitation is team 2's advantage, but the problem is if they would have enough time to pull that on 2 very fast moving targets. Superman could fast ball special Hulk into Thor, while taking the fight to the Surfer. Up close, I think Superman would have an advantage over the Surfer... not a huge one but one all the same.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85

http://img-cache.cdn.gaiaonline.com/315f4abb20c9eb316e2b552fb7da392a/http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/BlackMarket99/scan0024.jpg

Not quite.



Woah. Let's not lowball here. Humans don't survive crash landings after flying at high speeds from SPACE into a planet, then a sucker punch HV from a Silver Age level supervillain with poor power control issues.

In any case, I only posted it because JBL wanted to see Supes going intangible (which I think I have); and Knite/red sun rads not affecting Supes. I like how no one has picked up on him tanking a nuke whilst surrounded by K-nite, and yet can still fly, have HV, has super durability and can use telescopic vision....

Post the scan after that where Prime heat vision is gone.

Also...When did i say Superman was nearly human when he hit the planet? I said the knite and red sun 'eventually' took its tole.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Post the scan after that where Prime heat vision is gone.


Yes, but YOU said:



He succeeded in shooting Supes up. He didn't just try. Supes goes ARRGGH.





True. I guess you meant AFTER flying through a star designed to weaken him, THROUGH a meteorite field of rocks also designed to weaken him, AFTER crash landing at high speed into a planet from space, AFTER getting HV'ed in the back from SBP, THEN going H2H in a field of rocks that only weakens him, AND knocking SBP out, he was nearly human.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, but YOU said:



He succeeded in shooting Supes up. He didn't just try. Supes goes ARRGGH.





True. I guess you meant AFTER flying through a star designed to weaken him, THROUGH a meteorite field of rocks also designed to weaken him, AFTER crash landing at high speed into a planet from space, AFTER getting HV'ed in the back from SBP, THEN going H2H in a field of rocks that only weakens him, AND knocking SBP out, he was nearly human.

Definition of disperse? He lost his heat vision during that fight because of the red sun which mean it had an affect.

All of them lost their powers which goes against your entire point. It actually sides with what JBL said.

cdtm
Surfer drained Uni-Lord in fairly short order, but he can't drain either Superman or Hulk? confused

LordofBrooklyn
Originally posted by cdtm
Surfer drained Uni-Lord in fairly short order, but he can't drain either Superman or Hulk? confused

In regards to Superman the answer is yes.

As for Banner, Meh.

Stoic
Originally posted by cdtm
Surfer drained Uni-Lord in fairly short order, but he can't drain either Superman or Hulk? confused

He would be able to drain as much from the Hulk as he could handle, but it would not be nearly enough to revert the Hulk. Not this version of the Hulk at any rate. This Hulk was able to open the floodgates and allow himself to amp far more than the Surfer could handle. I recall the Surfer absorbing so much power that he hit a limit. He would do so here as well with the Hulk. Superman could take his pick of whom he was going to fight. I don't think the Surfer could take the this Hulk unless he bfr's him, and I don't think Thor could take Superman for a majority.

cdtm
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
In regards to Superman the answer is yes.

As for Banner, Meh.

Why?

Uni-Lord was basically a between a Skyfather and abstract. His capacity isn't really an issue, given that..

cdtm
Originally posted by Stoic
He would be able to drain as much from the Hulk as he could handle, but it would not be nearly enough to revert the Hulk. Not this version of the Hulk at any rate. This Hulk was able to open the floodgates and allow himself to amp far more than the Surfer could handle. I recall the Surfer absorbing so much power that he hit a limit. He would do so here as well with the Hulk. Superman could take his pick of whom he was going to fight. I don't think the Surfer could take the this Hulk unless he bfr's him, and I don't think Thor could take Superman for a majority.

It was Uni-Lord where he hit his limit.

But Uni-Lords much more powerful then Hulk or Superman.

Zack Fair
Team 1 unless Hulk going Super Saiyan prompts team marvel to BFR everyone, Superman included.

Stoic
Originally posted by cdtm
It was Uni-Lord where he hit his limit.

But Uni-Lords much more powerful then Hulk or Superman.

I was referring to when the Surfer hit his limit when he began to siphon power from a star in the Infinity Gauntlet. This version of the Hulk would beat the shit out of Norrin. Arm'Cheddon was easily able to duplicate the Surfers draining ability, and he began to drain the Hulk, but it wasn't working. The Hulk had reached a level in his mind that he could consciously tap into the gamma force. This is something that the Savage Hulk could never do. This is also why Norrin would hit his limit, while the Hulk would continue to grow in power.

This draining thing wouldn't work out very well for the Surfer, and Superman is a very mobile target. i think team 2 could win, but they would be fighting an uphill battle here. Superman and the Hulk are very smart as well. I think they take it, and to be honest for once the Surfer appears to be the weak link. He'd likely find it very difficult to use exotics if he was on his back being beaten into dream land, or worse.

Sin I AM
Has hulk ever beat surfer

carver9
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Has hulk ever beat surfer

He has worked both Surfer and Namor at the same time. They don't have any recent fights. All of them are classic fights.

JBL
Originally posted by Stoic
I was referring to when the Surfer hit his limit when he began to siphon power from a star in the Infinity Gauntlet. This version of the Hulk would beat the shit out of Norrin. Arm'Cheddon was easily able to duplicate the Surfers draining ability, and he began to drain the Hulk, but it wasn't working. The Hulk had reached a level in his mind that he could consciously tap into the gamma force. This is something that the Savage Hulk could never do. This is also why Norrin would hit his limit, while the Hulk would continue to grow in power.

This draining thing wouldn't work out very well for the Surfer, and Superman is a very mobile target. i think team 2 could win, but they would be fighting an uphill battle here. Superman and the Hulk are very smart as well. I think they take it, and to be honest for once the Surfer appears to be the weak link. He'd likely find it very difficult to use exotics if he was on his back being beaten into dream land, or worse. Surfer and thor have fought faster characters than superman, speed is no problem whatsoever. Surfer is the worst thing superman would want on him and thor can BFR hulk at will.

cdtm
Originally posted by Stoic
I was referring to when the Surfer hit his limit when he began to siphon power from a star in the Infinity Gauntlet. This version of the Hulk would beat the shit out of Norrin. Arm'Cheddon was easily able to duplicate the Surfers draining ability, and he began to drain the Hulk, but it wasn't working. The Hulk had reached a level in his mind that he could consciously tap into the gamma force. This is something that the Savage Hulk could never do. This is also why Norrin would hit his limit, while the Hulk would continue to grow in power.

This draining thing wouldn't work out very well for the Surfer, and Superman is a very mobile target. i think team 2 could win, but they would be fighting an uphill battle here. Superman and the Hulk are very smart as well. I think they take it, and to be honest for once the Surfer appears to be the weak link. He'd likely find it very difficult to use exotics if he was on his back being beaten into dream land, or worse.

That was Infinity Crusade, actually.

And Uni-Lord was a universal level entity, far more then the power of a star.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by carver9
He has worked both Surfer and Namor at the same time. They don't have any recent fights. All of them are classic fights.

Defenders issue? Also the age of a comic doesn't determine its relevance. How's the win loss ratio

carver9
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Defenders issue? Also the age of a comic doesn't determine its relevance. How's the win loss ratio

Yes...defenders and in this case, time does matter since BOTH of their power levels has increased to unknown levels. Especially Hulks. Current Hulk would probably one shot Ko his classic self going by his recent fts. Let me guess...you haven't been reading much Hulk lately huh, or Surfer? Because if so, you wouldn't have came back with this comment.

Sin I AM
Your ignoring on panel evidence cuz its old? New low carver.

carver9
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Your ignoring on panel evidence cuz its old? New low carver.

Did you not understand my post? You can't base classic fights off of characters that power level has changed DRASTICALLY? That's like saying a fight between DOS Doomsday would be the same against our modern more powerful Superman. Hulk has increased so much in power that it is ridiculous. The guy has shrugged off adamantium weapon 5 times within the past 3 yrs. This doesn't include his other insane fts as of late. You comparing Classic Hulk to current Hulk is laughable at best. Hell, everyone here knows this minus you. You can't base a fight off of what happened 30 to 40 yrs ago off of what would happen now. Are you crazy or something? I shouldn't have to tell you this since it is common sense.

Catch up on your Hulk. I can PM you some comics if you need them. Let me know. Especially if you think Hulk has not grown in power since his last fight against Surfer. laughing

cdtm
And Surfers manipulated and survived contact with energy that killed Aegis and what's his face, surprising even Galactus.

For Hulk, being a World Breaker is a step up. For Surfer, it's a bare minimum feat.

Stoic
Originally posted by cdtm
That was Infinity Crusade, actually.

And Uni-Lord was a universal level entity, far more then the power of a star.

Are you saying that the Silver Surfer is a universal level entity on the level of guys like Tyrant? I hope not.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Defenders issue? Also the age of a comic doesn't determine its relevance. How's the win loss ratio

It does in this case. This isn't the same old Savage Hulk that was unable to access his power like the Green Scar was able to. He was amplifying his power consciously, and without going full on mentally challenged.

,Originally posted by cdtm
And Surfers manipulated and survived contact with energy that killed Aegis and what's his face, surprising even Galactus.

For Hulk, being a World Breaker is a step up. For Surfer, it's a bare minimum feat.

Aegis and Tenebrous was kicking his ass in, who are you kidding? The Silver Surfer had it out with Thor, and they were nearly dead even. You have no idea of what it is that you're talking about. This Hulk while nearly calm took an internal hit from Hope, a being capable of outputting just over 133 times the amount of power that Hercules can put out if he put everything into one staggering blow. Are you trying to say that the Surfer would be able to take something like that? To top it off, the Hulk wasn't even nearly close to the power level that he was at when he was in the Dark Dimension. What you're saying is completely absurd.

guy222
True

carver9
Originally posted by cdtm
And Surfers manipulated and survived contact with energy that killed Aegis and what's his face, surprising even Galactus.

For Hulk, being a World Breaker is a step up. For Surfer, it's a bare minimum feat.

WTF. Surfer beat those two abstracts by manipulating the crunch. Great skill with his power but let's not pretend like he did it under his own power.

Hulk nearly drained all the energy from an abstract being and this was a normal Hulk. His fts has been more consistent than surfers.

cdtm
Originally posted by Stoic
Are you saying that the Silver Surfer is a universal level entity on the level of guys like Tyrant? I hope not.



It does in this case. This isn't the same old Savage Hulk that was unable to access his power like the Green Scar was able to. He was amplifying his power consciously, and without going full on mentally challenged.

,

Aegis and Tenebrous was kicking his ass in, who are you kidding? The Silver Surfer had it out with Thor, and they were nearly dead even. You have no idea of what it is that you're talking about. This Hulk while nearly calm took an internal hit from Hope, a being capable of outputting just over 133 times the amount of power that Hercules can put out if he put everything into one staggering blow. Are you trying to say that the Surfer would be able to take something like that? To top it off, the Hulk wasn't even nearly close to the power level that he was at when he was in the Dark Dimension. What you're saying is completely absurd.

You're obviously ignorant to Surfers history, not even knowing a classic story like the Uni-Lord saga, yet you tell me "I" don't know what I'm talking about?

No, Surfer isn't on Tyrants level. But he did absorb the energy of a being that's on par with Tyrant.. There were circumstances to it (After all, Surfers soul was stolen by this being initially, and his body broken to pieces), but the fact is he managed to contain the power of a being that's universal in level, and closer to Galactus level then World Breaker Hulk is.

Surfer's nearly broken Thor in half with a blast before.. In the Hero Reborn universe, Thor just about died from a weaker herald then Surfer.

guy222
T2 is n trouble here

cdtm
Originally posted by carver9
WTF. Surfer beat those two abstracts by manipulating the crunch. Great skill with his power but let's not pretend like he did it under his own power.

Hulk nearly drained all the energy from an abstract being and this was a normal Hulk. His fts has been more consistent than surfers.

He manipulated the energies of the Big Crunch, killing the duo and surviving long enough for Galactus to save him. That's an impressive manipulation and durability feat, any way you look at it.

carver9
Originally posted by cdtm
He manipulated the energies of the Big Crunch, killing the duo and surviving long enough for Galactus to save him. That's an impressive manipulation and durability feat, any way you look at it.

So that one ft puts him above Herald level because if that's the case, you need to do the same for Thor, Superman, and Hulk as well.

carver9
Originally posted by cdtm
You're obviously ignorant to Surfers history, not even knowing a classic story like the Uni-Lord saga, yet you tell me "I" don't know what I'm talking about?

No, Surfer isn't on Tyrants level. But he did absorb the energy of a being that's on par with Tyrant.. There were circumstances to it (After all, Surfers soul was stolen by this being initially, and his body broken to pieces), but the fact is he managed to contain the power of a being that's universal in level, and closer to Galactus level then World Breaker Hulk is.

Surfer's nearly broken Thor in half with a blast before.. In the Hero Reborn universe, Thor just about died from a weaker herald then Surfer.

Is Unilord canon?

cdtm
Originally posted by carver9
Is Unilord canon?

Why wouldn't it be? o_o

carver9
Originally posted by cdtm
Why wouldn't it be? o_o

Wasn't it proven as not being canon? I'm unsure but I've seen where it was debated as being non canon.

Stoic
Originally posted by cdtm
You're obviously ignorant to Surfers history, not even knowing a classic story like the Uni-Lord saga, yet you tell me "I" don't know what I'm talking about?

No, Surfer isn't on Tyrants level. But he did absorb the energy of a being that's on par with Tyrant.. There were circumstances to it (After all, Surfers soul was stolen by this being initially, and his body broken to pieces), but the fact is he managed to contain the power of a being that's universal in level, and closer to Galactus level then World Breaker Hulk is.

Surfer's nearly broken Thor in half with a blast before.. In the Hero Reborn universe, Thor just about died from a weaker herald then Surfer.

And Thor was beating the hell out of The Infinity Watch, and had the Surfer along to beat him up as well. Thor is a peer to Hercules if you haven't been informed. Thor is also a peer of the Surfers.

You're exactly correct he is not on Tyrant's level or even near enough to be worth mentioning.

You ignored Carver's statement about the Hulk (much weaker version) taxing half of the Inbetweener who happens to be an Abstract capable of having a prolonged battle with a fed Galactus.

This particular Hulk is on a higher level than Thor or the Surfer. It was pretty clear when they told the story on panel. Your attempts at trying to lower this particular Hulk down to the Herald tier is filled with more than one contradiction to put it mildly. In actuality this battle would be a stomp in favor of team 1. The Hulk being used in this thread isn't the most powerful character that has graced a comic book (far from it), but the Surfer doesn't need the most powerful character out there, in order to be beaten badly.

I don't think that I'm low balling to say this, but there are guys that this version of the Hulk would work, but have beaten the Surfer convincingly. being able to withstand a hit that a being over 133 times more powerful than Hercules is above Norrin's threshold. Shit didn't Arm'Cheddon beat Norrin? He wasn't able to do it to this version of the Hulk, he was too busy being turned to dust by indirect activity that had to do with how hard the Hulk was hitting, and being hit.

h1a8
Originally posted by JBL
Surfer and thor have fought faster characters than superman, speed is no problem whatsoever. Surfer is the worst thing superman would want on him and thor can BFR hulk at will. Fighting faster characters is irrelevant if those characters weren't operating faster than Superman.

And what characters have they fought and did well against that are faster than Superman? You know that Superman has the best combat speed feats. He has also traveled galaxies in mere moments. This more than matches anything Surfer has done.


Originally posted by JBL
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/96884/2067907-thor119b.jpg

Its nothing thor has not seen nor defeated before. PIS is not helping supermans case. Source?

Thor has never affected the intangible. So you can't say he can here.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by carver9
Did you not understand my post? You can't base classic fights off of characters that power level has changed DRASTICALLY? That's like saying a fight between DOS Doomsday would be the same against our modern more powerful Superman. Hulk has increased so much in power that it is ridiculous. The guy has shrugged off adamantium weapon 5 times within the past 3 yrs. This doesn't include his other insane fts as of late. You comparing Classic Hulk to current Hulk is laughable at best. Hell, everyone here knows this minus you. You can't base a fight off of what happened 30 to 40 yrs ago off of what would happen now. Are you crazy or something? I shouldn't have to tell you this since it is common sense.

Catch up on your Hulk. I can PM you some comics if you need them. Let me know. Especially if you think Hulk has not grown in power since his last fight against Surfer. laughing

Dont troll. Current Hulk and classic Hulk are still heralds he's gotten a better understanding of his power (being able to go wb) but on average its debatable if he is greater than his savage persona. Same goes for surfer. He's only more experienced norot more powerful he's still a high herald after all. Your using high end occurences like they're the norm. And ignoring on panel evidence simply cuz its old.

abhilegend
Originally posted by cdtm
That was Infinity Crusade, actually.

And Uni-Lord was a universal level entity, far more then the power of a star.
Uni-lord saga is non canon. I've busted it long ago.

Originally posted by abhilegend
MYTH

Surfer was cut into pieces and was still alive


First the evidence that the unilord saga is a What If story, here is the scene where surfer attempted to enter the unilord universe in SS v3 112

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p02.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p03.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p04.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p05.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p06.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p07.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p08.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p09.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p10.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p11.jpg

Now what is revealed later in SS v3 114 is that surfer failed to enter the unilord universe and its all a What If scenario

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p02.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p03.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p04.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p05.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p06.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p07.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p08.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p09.jpg

Now the reason why that scene can't be used as a proof that surfer can live even cut into pieces is that because HE DIED and his soul was absorbed into a blackbody and he shattered into pieces after that.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p15.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p16.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p17.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p18.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p19.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p20.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p21.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p22.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p23.jpg

Unilord made the union and called it Black Surfer

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3117p07.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3117p08.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3117p09.jpg

While surfer's power was absorbed by twelve individuals which were granted his powers

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3117p02.jpg

The balck surfer then absorbed surfer's powers back and surfer after getting his body and soul back broke free from blackbody's control

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3118p19.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3118p21.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3118p22.jpg

That was one of the biggest MYTHS about surfer.

MYTH BUSTED
Originally posted by cdtm
And Surfers manipulated and survived contact with energy that killed Aegis and what's his face, surprising even Galactus.

For Hulk, being a World Breaker is a step up. For Surfer, it's a bare minimum feat.
So? He was all but finished when G revived him. Not that every herald doesn't has a feat like that.Originally posted by cdtm
And Surfers manipulated and survived contact with energy that killed Aegis and what's his face, surprising even Galactus.

For Hulk, being a World Breaker is a step up. For Surfer, it's a bare minimum feat.
You can't be serious.

abhilegend
Originally posted by DarkSaint85

http://img-cache.cdn.gaiaonline.com/315f4abb20c9eb316e2b552fb7da392a/http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/BlackMarket99/scan0024.jpg

Not quite.



Woah. Let's not lowball here. Humans don't survive crash landings after flying at high speeds from SPACE into a planet, then a sucker punch HV from a Silver Age level supervillain with poor power control issues.

In any case, I only posted it because JBL wanted to see Supes going intangible (which I think I have); and Knite/red sun rads not affecting Supes. I like how no one has picked up on him tanking a nuke whilst surrounded by K-nite, and yet can still fly, have HV, has super durability and can use telescopic vision....
Mongul was knocked out by the same nuke.Originally posted by Stoic
Flight speed on average would actually go to Thor, and the Surfer. Movement or battle speed goes to Superman. Weakness exploitation is team 2's advantage, but the problem is if they would have enough time to pull that on 2 very fast moving targets. Superman could fast ball special Hulk into Thor, while taking the fight to the Surfer. Up close, I think Superman would have an advantage over the Surfer... not a huge one but one all the same.
Not really. Superman's flight speed is better than Thor and at least a match for surfer.Originally posted by cdtm
Surfer drained Uni-Lord in fairly short order, but he can't drain either Superman or Hulk? confused
Honestly?

guy222
How would u rank em all in power

carver9
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Dont troll. Current Hulk and classic Hulk are still heralds he's gotten a better understanding of his power (being able to go wb) but on average its debatable if he is greater than his savage persona. Same goes for surfer. He's only more experienced norot more powerful he's still a high herald after all. Your using high end occurences like they're the norm. And ignoring on panel evidence simply cuz its old.

This isn't based off high showings...This is based off consistency. Hulk is more powerful now than he has ever been. Read his comics before commenting on this. Surfer has also grown in power. Superman before the reboot became more powerful than his DOS self. Wonder Woman became more powerful. Hell, Colossus has become more powerful than his classic self. You using Classic 1980 scans to determine how something would go in a fight today is again, laughable. Why am I discussing this when it's common sense.? Think before you reply to my post.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by carver9
This isn't based off high showings...This is based off consistency. Hulk is more powerful now than he has ever been. Read his comics before commenting on this. Surfer has also grown in power. Superman before the reboot became more powerful than his DOS self. Wonder Woman became more powerful. Hell, Colossus has become more powerful than his classic self. You using Classic 1980 scans to determine how something would go in a fight today is again, laughable. Why am I discussing this when it's common sense.? Think before you reply to my post.


lol so much fail. Superman didnt get 'more powerful' he stopped pulling punches towards the end of DOS. It's debateable if hulk is more powerful than his current incarnation and if u'd care u can create a thread with feats solely from Savage and solely for Indestructible, i'd love to entertain that debate. Colossus was a teenager at the time and "grew" out of adoloscence and into his powers. He matured basically.

Surfer was able to drain Hulk in the past, so unless you can prove that he can't do it now concession accepted.

-Pr-
I think he was talking about upgrades that happened over the course of several years, several of which were explicitly stated as having happened to Superman.

It was stated years ago that Colossus would get stronger as he got older, sure, but he did die as a class 75 and come back as a 100. The comics didn't treat it as being as gradual as they could have.

carver9
Originally posted by -Pr-
I think he was talking about upgrades that happened over the course of several years, several of which were explicitly stated as having happened to Superman.

It was stated years ago that Colossus would get stronger as he got older, sure, but he did die as a class 75 and come back as a 100. The comics didn't treat it as being as gradual as they could have.

Exactly. Every last one of the characters I've named has been upgraded and it appears as if Hulk has not lost any power yet since his WWH birth. The guy is still being referenced till this day as a planet buster. Colossus received one, even BEAST received one. Spiderman, Wolverine was upgraded before losing his healing factor Thor has became more powerful. I'm not going to name everyone that has received uogrades, but it's pretty obvious and with most, it's outright stated.

Also, current Hulk has not been scratched yet. It took a blade that can cut through atoms to cause a scratch on his skin. Everything else, his indestructible skin has endured from weapons that could melt adamantium to weapons that shoot adamantium bullets. This wouldn't hold true for Classic savage Hulk. He was durable but not THAT durable.

Sin, no one here agrees with you (people that read comics). So again, I see no reason on why we are discussing this. Also, lol at draining him. That doesn't work anymore. Back in the day people like Thing and Wolverine gave Hulk a fight solo. They teamed up together to fight a Hulk that was getting weaker by the second and it ended with Hulk stabbing Wolverine claws through his skull and Hulk outright mud stomping Thing and remember, he was getting weaker by the second. Do you need me to PM you his indestructible comics sin? Let me know. I can PM you the ones before that as well.

guy222
Draining ain't working here. T2 gets da stuffing beat out of em. stick out tongue

Sin I AM
Originally posted by -Pr-
I think he was talking about upgrades that happened over the course of several years, several of which were explicitly stated as having happened to Superman.

It was stated years ago that Colossus would get stronger as he got older, sure, but he did die as a class 75 and come back as a 100. The comics didn't treat it as being as gradual as they could have.

ok. i got that. would u consider savage hulk less than current hulk? and if so what feat has he shown that proves it?

-Pr-
Originally posted by Sin I AM
ok. i got that. would u consider savage hulk less than current hulk? and if so what feat has he shown that proves it?

I would consider Savage as being lower than current Hulk, yes, because he hasn't been plain old savage in a while. He'll eventually going to be called Savage again, but that Savage will most likely more powerful than previous incarnations.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by -Pr-
I would consider Savage as being lower than current Hulk, yes, because he hasn't been plain old savage in a while. He'll eventually going to be called Savage again, but that Savage will most likely more powerful than previous incarnations.


Based on what exactly

carver9
Originally posted by Sin I AM
ok. i got that. would u consider savage hulk less than current hulk? and if so what feat has he shown that proves it?

Every time he appears lately he has a high showing. Every last one of his indestructible comics has him doing something insane. It's clear as day this isn't your average Hulk. Show me Savage Hulk moving like this....

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/1307/26/hulk112.jpg

And this is consistent as shown here.

carver9
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/IndestructibleHulk12010.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/IndestructibleHulk12011.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/IndestructibleHulk12012.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/IndestructibleHulk12013.jpg

I can post at least 12 more similar scans like this from current Hulk.

DarkSaint85
Yet, he was unable to avoid Proxima Midnight.

Something Cap/Wakandan soldiers were able to. :hm:

carver9
Like I've said...you have not been keeping up with Hulk. Don't understand why people debate on topics they have no idea about (not trying to be mean sin).

-Pr-
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Based on what exactly

Most of his showings since the start of WWH. I don't think it's a large gap, mind you. Outside of his amp to WBH, Hulk is still high herald. He's just at a higher end of the scale than before.

Originally posted by carver9
Like I've said...you have not been keeping up with Hulk. Don't understand why people debate on topics they have no idea about (not trying to be mean sin).

and yet you do it all of the time.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yet, he was unable to avoid Proxima Midnight.

Something Cap/Wakandan soldiers were able to. :hm:

First thing he was punching Corvus in the face when he was hit by that attack. Second thing is, when did I say be could avoid an attack that Spectrum was unable to avoid. I agree with you though, Cap and a Waka Dan soldier is faster than Spectrum and Hulk. thumb up

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by carver9
First thing he was punching Corvus in the face when he was hit by that attack. Second thing is, when did I say be could avoid an attack that Spectrum was unable to avoid. I agree with you though, Cap and a Waka Dan soldier is faster than Spectrum and Hulk. thumb up So he was only hit because he was distracted. But he wouldn't have been able to avoid it anyway and it would have done the same thing?

So what exactly is the point of bringing up him being "distracted"?

carver9
Originally posted by -Pr-
Most of his showings since the start of WWH. I don't think it's a large gap, mind you. Outside of his amp to WBH, Hulk is still high herald. He's just at a higher end of the scale than before.



and yet you do it all of the time.

laughing out loud

I promise you I know you better than you know yourself. I said that you'll post this as soon as I hit submit. Wow.

carver9
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
So he was only hit because he was distracted. But he wouldn't have been able to avoid it anyway and it would have done the same thing?

So what exactly is the point of bringing up him being "distracted"?

Good point. Don't know what's the point, but, it can't be used against him since he was not even paying attention to her during the time the attack was thrown. Also...didn't they comment on Hulks super speed right before that?

cdtm
Originally posted by abhilegend
Mongul was knocked out by the same nuke.
Not really. Superman's flight speed is better than Thor and at least a match for surfer.
Honestly?

Honestly how?

Surfera has absorption feats as good as anyone, Parasite included (Who, as you know, drained off Supes many times...)

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by carver9
Good point. Don't know what's the point, but, it can't be used against him since he was not even paying attention to her during the time the attack was thrown. Also...didn't they comment on Hulks super speed right before that? laughing out loud

So the attack that Hulk has utterly no defense against, that you stated hit a lightspeeder can't be used against him because he was distracted?
It can't be used against him because he jumped directly at two people while using superspeed and he never figured he'd get two on oned?

They spoke of his speed and then she said she'd just use a denser net. That's it.

carver9
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
laughing out loud

So the attack that Hulk has utterly no defense against, that you stated hit a lightspeeder can't be used against him because he was distracted?
It can't be used against him because he jumped directly at two people while using superspeed and he never figured he'd get two on oned?

They spoke of his speed and then she said she'd just use a denser net. That's it.

Lol...that's exactly what I'm saying. Also...like I've stated before, he was busy punching Corvus in the face during the time that attacked was launched as shown here...

https://imageshack.com/i/16g9j9j

Don't get what you are trying to prove here because you are not changing my stance.

Insane Titan
Lmao @ caver

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...that's exactly what I'm saying. Also...like I've stated before, he was busy punching Corvus in the face during the time that attacked was launched as shown here...

https://imageshack.com/i/16g9j9j

Don't get what you are trying to prove here because you are not changing my stance. There is absolutely no reason at all why it doesn't count, since if they fought again all she has to do is hit Hulk once and he's done. Which as history proves, hitting Hulk is improbable... ?
And you've already backed up her hitting Hulk anyway by stating that he tagged a lightspeeder. So your whole logic that it doesn't count isn't even backed up by your logic.

What you're saying is basically the equivalent of complete disintegration not counting because a character wasn't ready for it.

And she threw her spear before he even threw a punch...

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
First thing he was punching Corvus in the face when he was hit by that attack. Second thing is, when did I say be could avoid an attack that Spectrum was unable to avoid. I agree with you though, Cap and a Waka Dan soldier is faster than Spectrum and Hulk. thumb up

So we're debating a weapon never seen before. Let's see it's speed.

It has had four appearances.

One is debatable (Hulk).

One is fast (Spectrum; although, no evidence of her going at lightspeed. I might as well use Deathstroke stabbing Flash as an example of DS' lightspeed abilities).

TWO are street level.

Using averages (because of course, you use average showings, right, carv?) PM's weapon is around street level. Based on average showings.

Ergo, Hulk, whilst fast, is not exactly going to be troubling Quicksilver in a footrace.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So we're debating a weapon never seen before. Let's see it's speed.

It has had four appearances.

One is debatable (Hulk).

One is fast (Spectrum; although, no evidence of her going at lightspeed. I might as well use Deathstroke stabbing Flash as an example of DS' lightspeed abilities).

TWO are street level.

Using averages (because of course, you use average showings, right, carv?) PM's weapon is around street level. Based on average showings.

Ergo, Hulk, whilst fast, is not exactly going to be troubling Quicksilver in a footrace.

Spectrum was clearly trying to outrage the blast but failed.

Hulk is Cleary punching Corvus in the face during the time the attack was launched.

These two statements end this discussion. Still love you like to bro but your previous comment was pointless.

DarkSaint85
Wait so he has travel speed but not reaction speed? Once he gets distracted, someone like Punisher could snipe him? Oh Lordy. He better not get matched against someone who can speed blitz.

Hardly pointless, when you're bringing up Indestructible Hulk's supposed speed.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by carver9
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/IndestructibleHulk12010.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/IndestructibleHulk12011.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/IndestructibleHulk12012.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/IndestructibleHulk12013.jpg

I can post at least 12 more similar scans like this from current Hulk.

do u think thats impressive?

carver9
Originally posted by Sin I AM
do u think thats impressive?

So you dont think Hulk blitzing 3 guys that is moving around at invisible speeds is impressive?

Ok.

Our conversation is done since it is obvious you dont read Hulk (or any) comics.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wait so he has travel speed but not reaction speed? Once he gets distracted, someone like Punisher could snipe him? Oh Lordy. He better not get matched against someone who can speed blitz.

Hardly pointless, when you're bringing up Indestructible Hulk's supposed speed.

I posted reaction speed. I can also post him moving through time stop but whats the point?

I brought up Indestructible Hulk because Sin doesn't know what he/she is talking about. It wasn't just Hulk that I brought up though. I brought up a lot of beings that received upgrades.

Stoic
What in the world does any of the last several posts have to do with the Hulk in this thread? ADHD anyone?

Rao Kal El
Originally posted by Sin I AM
lol so much fail. Superman didnt get 'more powerful' he stopped pulling punches towards the end of DOS. It's debateable if hulk is more powerful than his current incarnation and if u'd care u can create a thread with feats solely from Savage and solely for Indestructible, i'd love to entertain that debate. Colossus was a teenager at the time and "grew" out of adoloscence and into his powers. He matured basically.

Surfer was able to drain Hulk in the past, so unless you can prove that he can't do it now concession accepted.

Actually, I think Carvy is talking about a couple of power ups Superman had after DOS.

Other than that, anything regarding the Hulk coming out from Carvy is mostly utterly entertaining non-sense.

cdtm
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Actually, I think Carvy is talking about a couple of power ups Superman had after DOS.

Other than that, anything regarding the Hulk coming out from Carvy is mostly utterly entertaining non-sense.

Kryptonite X power up was one of them (What was created when green K steam passed through Eradicatora body into Superman)

And I guess Mongul Jr. training him to fight at his full potential, past his usual mental blocks, could be considered another, though I'm not really sure it played a long term role past Imperiex saga..

carver9
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Actually, I think Carvy is talking about a couple of power ups Superman had after DOS.

Other than that, anything regarding the Hulk coming out from Carvy is mostly utterly entertaining non-sense.

I have a lot of people on this site that trolls me. It's amazing.

-Pr-
Troll =/= educate.

Branlor Swift
The irony just made me scrape my face off with my hand

carver9
Originally posted by -Pr-
Troll =/= educate.

Naah...Every, he trolls me, a lot a lot.

-Pr-
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
The irony just made me scrape my face off with my hand

laughing out loud

Originally posted by carver9
Naah...Every, he trolls me, a lot a lot.

yeah, because you never troll anyone at all.

Rao Kal El
Originally posted by carver9
Naah...Every, he trolls me, a lot a lot.

Originally posted by -Pr-
laughing out loud

yeah, because you never troll anyone at all.

I will only say this:

Originally posted by -Pr-
Please, enlighten me as to your superior understanding of the character.

still, it's Hercules lol Originally posted by carver9
I read his comics Pr. I know where he stands power wise. It's pretty clear what DC is trying to say about this guy. Originally posted by Rao Kal El
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view6/2338696/baby-laughing-hysterically-o.gif


Or should I remind us the Despero vs WWH thread?

That was one of his greatest hits

But if Carver has only one power is that He is loved by most and We will miss you a lot when PR bans you stick out tongue kd

abhilegend
Originally posted by cdtm
Honestly how?

Surfera has absorption feats as good as anyone, Parasite included (Who, as you know, drained off Supes many times...)
Surfer isn't as good as Parasite in absorbing power. Also Superman has resisted getting drained by far better energy absorbers than surfer.

Superman helps in making another small sun and resists his energies getting drained by the sun-eater when others fared much worse

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_TFN01-Armageddon-24-17.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_TFN01-Armageddon-24-18.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_TFN01-Armageddon-24-19.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_TFN01-Armageddon-24-20.jpg

abhilegend
And the aftrementioned sun eater was so powerful that it needed the full power of Parallax to beat it.

http://i.imgur.com/w2dlH5M.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zEAUqt9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0IGXJnq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nshOPZ6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pD7Ul2f.jpg

And it destroyed thousands of worlds, devouring light and heat was its main power.

http://i.imgur.com/QitVjYh.jpg

Superman still resisted being drained by it.

JBL
http://media.animevice.com/uploads/3/32350/588493-2638835- thor_v1966__393___the_blaze_of_battle__1988_7____p
age_20_super.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir179-Teleportationv22.jpg

JBL
Originally posted by abhilegend
And the aftrementioned sun eater was so powerful that it needed the full power of Parallax to beat it.

http://i.imgur.com/w2dlH5M.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zEAUqt9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0IGXJnq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nshOPZ6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pD7Ul2f.jpg

And it destroyed thousands of worlds, devouring light and heat was its main power.

http://i.imgur.com/QitVjYh.jpg

Superman still resisted being drained by it. PIS.

abhilegend
Originally posted by JBL
PIS.
laughing out loud

guy222
big grin

God Cloth Seiya
Originally posted by JBL
PIS. rolling on floor laughing laughing out loud

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