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Who wins?

Brains over brawn eery time.
If we're talking pre 52 Terrific has enough knowledge on Nth metal after the Rann Thanagar war to be able to use it's properties against Carter.

Post 52 either Cyborg of Terrific BFR opposition for the win.

Terrific and Cyborg won't win in a straight fight. But they can definitely BFE.

Originally posted by BlackWind
Terrific and Cyborg won't win in a straight fight. But they can definitely BFE.

Terrific's T-Spheres have taken down captain Nazi who is Captain marvel level. He most certainly can take down either of these two.

Both of them still have ears. Aquaman has enhanced hearing and Hawkman's senses are increased by Nth metal. Cyborg's white sound blaster (even of the original Cyborg from pre COIE TT's who struggled to lift ten ton) would reek havok on these two and have them reeling.

They can win just as easily in a straight up encounter with their gear, both have defeated more powerful beings at their lowest levels (lowest versions).

AM mind f*cks them

Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
AM mind f*cks them

Current AM hasn't shown much TP unless I missed something.

He drops a whale on them

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Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
He drops a whale on them

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Which either one could BFR to another dimension/universe. Terrific with t-sphere teleport, Cyborg with bomb tube.

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Aquaman could honestly solo this fight. He throws the ocean at them.

Cyborg has also never BFR'ed something that's the size of a whale though.

Originally posted by beatboks
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How can he still make facial expressions with the metal side of his face?

Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
Aquaman could honestly solo this fight. He throws the ocean at them.

Cyborg has also never BFR'ed something that's the size of a whale though.
Show me nu 52 Aquaman "throwing the ocean at anyone". Pre 52 he once caused a wave on a naval base using TP ( that he hasn't really shown post FP) to get whales to do so or at a yacht with the water hand. Both feats aren't pertinent. Pre 52 Terrific put down Capt Nazi who is stronger, more durable, faster etc than Arthur yet Arthur is going to stomp him plus a guy who has taken down mammoth ( physically equal to current AQ in almost every way) a few dozen times. All those feats were with earlier less powerful versions of team one. Frankly Hawkman is more of a threat with the versatility of Nth metal. Considering the healing factor it gives allowed him to take a hiding from WWIII BA for 7 pages and still walk away ( bleeding) and be healed next issue) plus his weapons his with a lot more power than the strength of those stronger here. The fact that his armor warps shape to his will means he can go full. Key armor two.

lol, AM throws Atlantis at him. Aqauman is also far superior to Hawkman

Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
lol, AM throws Atlantis at him. Aqauman is also far superior to Hawkman

That's why the only way he could match Hawkman was to throw sand in his eyes hey???
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Or why he could tank what easily put AM down
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The same Hawkman who could fight BA when blood lusted for 7 pages and keep bringing it. Even after BA crushed a wall on him threw him hundreds of feet down to the ground straight through the engine block of a car just so HM could get straight back up and fly off for help.

Still waiting for anything that would allow AM to take more punishment than this guy
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You know the guy who regularly knocks this guy around
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OHH bu AM who's leagues below that will fare so much better.

Heres another guy stronger, more durable than Am getting his clock cleaned by only one member of the opposition here.
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Both versions of Cyborg and Terrific are vastly less powerful than current versions and yet you think AM is going to solo two guys who individually in weaker iterations took out guys vastly more powerful than him??

Just not happening. either put up some evidence to support a case or let go.

Low balling and PIS seems to be your strategy eh.

Also how long ago was that fight?

Wasn't that post crisis?

If so its non canon to current versions, Current AM would rape stomp current Hawkman.

T1

No guy

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Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
Low balling and PIS seems to be your strategy eh.

Also how long ago was that fight?

Wasn't that post crisis?

If so its non canon to current versions, Current AM would rape stomp current Hawkman.

Your allowed to use TP which "current AM hasn't shown" but by showing a lower version of HM matching AM is not?? Seems a little one sided.

Current HM is vastly upgraded on pre FP. For one thing his armor can mould to his will making it full body armor. The metal still has all the previous properties of enhancing strength, granting a near Wolverine level Healing factor ( in fact since post FP he's actually been healed from a critical wound in seconds a better HF than before) plus energy applications and enhanced senses. The fact that he carries Nth metal weapons only makes this even greater as they strike with greater force than that used with them.

So too are Cyborg and Terrific. AM on the other hand isn't (though everyone likes to think he is). His best post FP strength feat doesn't match (let alone exceed) his Sub Diego feat or the pre Crisis feat of holding up a 12 story building in New Venus.

The Cyborg who performed that KO of Mamoth ( and Classic mamoth is more than capable of that ship feat) was only a 15 tonner. He was able to do it because his white sound blaster had mammoth reeling and in pain for several minutes prior. Certainly something he can reproduce here now that he has vastly greater strength. He did the same thing to several characters of that level when at that level many times. Holt has also taken on guys MUCH more physically dominant than current AM on multiple occasions with equal success. It's not PIS when you can produce dozens and dozens of feats on that level ( and they are from weaker versions with less to bring to the party)

Still waiting for a feat of him "throwing an ocean" or "trowing Atlantis" ?? At least I'm sing feats to justify not just fanboyism without any back up.

Ship weighs a shit ton more than Hawkman can lift. And the trowing Atlantis and Ocean thing was a joke so calm down. He has picked up Atlantis before though.

New52 Aquaman has shown TP lol.

I don't even like aqauman that much and your calling me a fanboy? lol.

Show Hawkman currently lifting something of that size.

Also lololololololololololol at mammoth being stronger than Aquaman or even lifting something of that size.

Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
Ship weighs a shit ton more than Hawkman can lift. And the trowing Atlantis and Ocean thing was a joke so calm down. He has picked up Atlantis before though.

New52 Aquaman has shown TP lol.

I don't even like aqauman that much and your calling me a fanboy? lol.

Show Hawkman currently lifting something of that size.

Also lololololololololololol at mammoth being stronger than Aquaman or even lifting something of that size.

Absolutely correct HM is no where near as strong as AM but he does have weapons made or laced with nth metal. A pure Nth metal weapon like the claw of Horus strikes with the force of a planet
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When has AM ever done that to Superman??

AM has not lifted "Atlantis" he lifted a suburb of Sub Diego. If your quint to quote feats at least get them right.

Mammoth had greater strength than Donna Troy who is above AM.

Also Nu52 Am hasn't shown TP affecting people

Strength is far from everything

Originally posted by beatboks
When has AM ever done that to Superman??


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Now show me Hawkman doing something like these, 3 of those are actually New 52.

2 of those scans are not Superman.

Originally posted by carver9
2 of those scans are not Superman.

1 is him fighting wonderwoman while being tied by her rope which is impressive, another is stabbing Draksied in the face, which is also an impressive showing.

Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
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Now show me Hawkman doing something like these, 3 of those are actually New 52.

These two are martian Manhunter not Supes. It was also Water hand Aquaman which is like taking Rune King Thor compared to normal. The Darkseid scan was nothing but the trident which wouldn't do anything to Nth metal. Nth metal counters and controls gravity, electromagnetics and the strong and weak nuclear forces. And in the NU 52 it moulds to users will around their body where ever the hell they want. HM can have full body armor of Nth metal if he wants, as good as vibranium.

The Nu 52 scan of him striking HM didn't send him as far and didn't effect a momentary KO, in short ALREADY Shown. So far in the Nu52 HM has much better strength and healing feats, striking feats if he was to show them against high tier would therefore also be better. Nth Metal certainly is.

But I'm the one who uses PIS and low showings (which I in fact haven't).

As much as I would like to say Aquaman's push helps him win more fights, I don't see him beating this Hawkman. I'd give him odds against the preboot version, sure, but not nowadays.

Terrific can solo Pre or New 52. Pre 52 can take down and hurt the likes of Captain Marvel, Black Adam, and Alan Scott. New 52 has thousands of T-spheres all at his command at once that have electrical shocks, mind erase, gravity wells etc.

Adding on new 52 Cyborg just makes this a worse beatdown.

What has Hawkman done recently to make you say that Pr?

Originally posted by carver9
What has Hawkman done recently to make you say that Pr?

Just mostly what was said in this and the other thread.

I've read a bit of Hawkman since the reboot. Not a whole lot, mind you, but I'm having trouble seeing how Arthur would put him down.

Sadly, even If he could it wouldn't matter, as there are a lot of people who simply refuse to take the guy seriously, for whatever reasons.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Just mostly what was said in this and the other thread.

I've read a bit of Hawkman since the reboot. Not a whole lot, mind you, but I'm having trouble seeing how Arthur would put him down.

Sadly, even If he could it wouldn't matter, as there are a lot of people who simply refuse to take the guy seriously, for whatever reasons.

Arthur is an awesome character Who has been underrated. I have to admit though that the new 52 is changing that. It always amazes me how people underrate characters without truly understanding them or their capability. Hawkman is one of my least favourite characters even as a JSA fan, he is a character I always would rather had excluded from the line up. To me the idea that wearing a metal makes you stronger gives you greater durability and a healing factor, enhances your senses has always been absurd. It's about the most ridiculous thing any writer could imagine. To combine that with one of the most bland characters ever created for a comic, yet he the member they chose to NEVER miss an issue in the GA.

Still based on sheer versatility the current one does have over current Arthur. Now as soon as they show Arthur use TP on humans again ( In a big way) he wipes the floor with wing boy.

Originally posted by beatboks
Arthur is an awesome character Who has been underrated. I have to admit though that the new 52 is changing that. It always amazes me how people underrate characters without truly understanding them or their capability. Hawkman is one of my least favourite characters even as a JSA fan, he is a character I always would rather had excluded from the line up. To me the idea that wearing a metal makes you stronger gives you greater durability and a healing factor, enhances your senses has always been absurd. It's about the most ridiculous thing any writer could imagine. To combine that with one of the most bland characters ever created for a comic, yet he the member they chose to NEVER miss an issue in the GA.

Still based on sheer versatility the current one does have over current Arthur. Now as soon as they show Arthur use TP on humans again ( In a big way) he wipes the floor with wing boy.

Agreed with pretty much everything you said.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Just mostly what was said in this and the other thread.

I've read a bit of Hawkman since the reboot. Not a whole lot, mind you, but I'm having trouble seeing how Arthur would put him down.

Sadly, even If he could it wouldn't matter, as there are a lot of people who simply refuse to take the guy seriously, for whatever reasons.

Wait a minute. I could be wrong here and this could have been his son, can't remember off hand but didn't Deathstroke mud stomp Hawkman? HM doesn't bold a single advantage against Aquaman minus flight, which isn't enough.

Originally posted by carver9
Wait a minute. I could be wrong here and this could have been his son, can't remember off hand but didn't Deathstroke mud stomp Hawkman? HM doesn't bold a single advantage against Aquaman minus flight, which isn't enough.

DS sneak attacked him and his armor is also Nth metal. meaning every advantage HM has so does DS ( though apparently not quite to the same degree because it's Nth alloy or some such). Also HM eventually won IIRC.

Deathstroke can **** anyone up.

Originally posted by beatboks
DS sneak attacked him and his armor is also Nth metal. meaning every advantage HM has so does DS ( though apparently not quite to the same degree because it's Nth alloy or some such). Also HM eventually won IIRC.

Hawkman himself said that DS was too fast for him. Nth metal didn't have a thing to do with that fight, HM just couldn't hit him. Aquaman would ha e stomped that fight with no problem imo. What has Hawkman done to make you think he could win this fight?