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DS. And I'm sure Surfer has a lot of hax feats that can be used in a vs forum but looking at it objectively even though DS lacks showing he was clearly shown to be above high herald level.

Originally posted by SamZED
DS. And I'm sure Surfer has a lot of hax feats that can be used in a vs forum but looking at it objectively even though DS lacks showing he was clearly shown to be above high herald level.

DS Sentry easily, if we take into consideration the way his battle with Thor went.

Meh Norrin ftw there is a reason marvel doesn't have him in the same room as this hype machine

Using Thor as a measuring stick isn't the best idea.

Surfer has beaten/did far better against characters that have "killed" or dominated Thor (e.g., Durok the Demolisher, and Millenneus).

Plus, I don't think Thor did as bad against Sentry as people think.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Using Thor as a measuring stick isn't the best idea.

Surfer has beaten/did far better against characters that have "killed" or dominated Thor (e.g., Durok the Demolisher, and Millenneus).

Plus, I don't think Thor did as bad against Sentry as people think.
Really? I recall Durok beating the shit out of Surfer and Millenius about to disintegrate Surfer when Thor came down and basically two shotted him.

Also Thor killed Durok under his own power.

Sentry

Originally posted by abhilegend
Really? I recall Durok beating the shit out of Surfer and Millenius about to disintegrate Surfer when Thor came down and basically two shotted him.

Also Thor killed Durok under his own power.



Remind abhi, who won the fight between Surfer and Durok? And this is after Surfer was depowered. True but Durok nearly killed Thor too if Surfer hadn't revived Thor, I guess they're even.


Surfer did better against Millenius than Thor, even after having his power drained by Millenius' machines. Even you've admitted this before.
Lol, Thor never two-shot him. Millenius was fighting Thor and Surfer back to back, and then together at the end.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Remind abhi, who won the fight between Surfer and Durok? Surfer because he took Durok to the future. Durok had knocked Surfer out earlier though. Surfer was retconned to have his powers restored long before that though. And Durok nearly killed thor because of electricity.


Only because he was less powerful than usual.
Thor did more damage than Surfer did at the end IMO.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer because he took Durok to the future. Durok had knocked Surfer out earlier though. Surfer was retconned to have his powers restored long before that though. And Durok nearly killed thor because of electricity.


Only because he was less powerful than usual.
Thor did more damage than Surfer did at the end IMO.

Durok never knocked Surfer out, not once. You have it backwards, Surfer actually knocked Durok out before time dumping him.

Let's not get into this retcon debate again where you pull out scans of Surfer having tea and then claim it's proof of a retcon.

Surfer was drained significantly before he fought Millenius, who was draining Surfer's power to create a portal back to Earth's present. I don't think so, it was an accumulation of both of them fighting Millenius that eventually winded him.

On their separate fights with Millennius, Surfer looked a lot better especially considering how much energy was drained from him.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Meh Norrin ftw there is a reason marvel doesn't have him in the same room as this hype machine

Originally posted by One-Punch
Durok never knocked Surfer out, not once. You have it backwards, Surfer actually knocked Durok out before time dumping him. Nope. Durok actually KOED surfer before breaking his board and turning his back on him.





Not that you *******.

I knew that, hence why I said he did betterthan thor. Well, surfer had no effect on him before that.

I agree.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Really? I recall Durok beating the shit out of Surfer and Millenius about to disintegrate Surfer when Thor came down and basically two shotted him.

Also Thor killed Durok under his own power.



I know right. Someone better go back and re-read those books. Anyways Sentry would throw Norrin so hard that his skin would peel off. That was him playing with Thor.

Normal Sentry would give Surfer a fight and it's debatable on who'll pull the majority. This battle has an amped Sentry vs Surfer. This isn't fair at all. Death Sentry stomps.

Originally posted by carver9
Normal Sentry would give Surfer a fight and it's debatable on who'll pull the majority. This battle has an amped Sentry vs Surfer. This isn't fair at all. Death Sentry stomps.

I know, DS Sentry would slap him so hard that his eyes would stick out of his butt.

Sentry obviously.

Originally posted by One-Punch

Surfer has beaten/did far better against characters that have "killed" or dominated Thor (e.g., Durok the Demolisher, and Millenneus).


Uh what? That isn't even remotely true.

That includes Durok and Milleniuus.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Sentry obviously.



Uh what? That isn't even remotely true.

That includes Durok and Milleniuus.

Umm, because it's the truth?

It's really simple. Thor couldn't defeat Durok, and was essentially "killed" in the process of their fight.

Surfer revived Thor from death, and then went on to defeat Durok.

Therefore Surfer defeated someone that killed Thor, ergo he did better against Durok than Thor did. Make sense?

Yes, Surfer did much better than Thor did against Millenius considering the context of what happened.

Spite.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Umm, because it's the truth?

It's really simple. Thor couldn't defeat Durok, and was essentially "killed" in the process.

Surfer revived Thor from death, and then went on to defeat Durok.

Therefore Surfer defeated someone that killed Thor.

Yes, Surfer did much better than Thor did against Millenius considering the context of what happened.

No, it's not. Not even remotely so.

Seriously? Surfer beat Durok with a huge asterisk. He used time travel. Based on their encounter, Durok would have crushed Surfer in a direct fight:
http://s15.postimg.org/sk6naq387/Thor_193_09.jpghttp://s15.postimg.org/op3985k2f/Thor_193_10.jpghttp://s15.postimg.org/odlsve3mf/Thor_193_22.jpghttp://s15.postimg.org/bnhkiavo7/Thor_193_23.jpghttp://s15.postimg.org/7se6fqcif/Thor_193_24.jpghttp://s15.postimg.org/4my639j9z/Thor_193_25.jpghttp://s15.postimg.org/z5nyo88gn/Thor_193_26.jpghttp://s30.postimg.org/4nap9g47x/Thor_193_26.jpghttp://s30.postimg.org/t52sxc6sd/Thor_193_27.jpg

His blast literally bounced off, he was effortlessly being manhandled and was like knocked out with a single attack at one point. To say he did better then Thor is ridiculous.

Thor had battled Durok on like 3 different occasions back to back. And earlier, not only fought his way to Asgard, but fought Odin Ring Loki. Who noted later that his entire plan was to wear Thor down, and even resorted to mentally mess with him by marrying Sif and so on.

It was a great showing for Surfer to keep refusing to give in to Milennius despite being exhausted but in no way did he do way better then Thor or whatever nonsense you were suggesting.

The idea that Surfer has historically done better, much less defeated beings that have beaten up Thor is just unsubstantiated imho.

Death Sentry wins

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No, it's not. Not even remotely so.

Seriously? Surfer beat Durok with a huge asterisk. He used time travel. Based on their encounter, Durok would have crushed Surfer in a direct fight:

His blast literally bounced off, he was effortlessly being manhandled and was like knocked out with a single attack at one point. To say he did better then Thor is ridiculous.

Thor had battled Durok on like 3 different occasions back to back. And earlier, not only fought his way to Asgard, but fought Odin Ring Loki. Who noted later that his entire plan was to wear Thor down, and even resorted to mentally mess with him by marrying Sif and so on.

It was a great showing for Surfer to keep refusing to give in to Milennius despite being exhausted but in no way did he do way better then Thor or whatever nonsense you were suggesting.

The idea that Surfer has historically done better, much less defeated beings that have beaten up Thor is just unsubstantiated imho.



Here we go. Thor failed to defeat Durok, and was essentially killed. While Surfer not only saved Thor's life, he actually knocked Durok out, and defeated him via time dump. No amount sugar coating is going to change these facts.

And are you seriously going to pull an abhi and leave out leave out scans? That's pretty low of you, do you really want to be considered Thor's abhi?

First, you intentionally left out the scans of Surfer using his power to revive Thor from death. I guess it must be embarrassing for you as a Thor fan to see Surfer save Thor's life from Durok, but it happened:
http://s8.postimg.org/llndjc0ox/Thor_193_16.jpg

Second, you intentionally left out the last scan of Surfer's fight with Durok. It clearly shows that Surfer knocked out Durok before time dumping him. I repeat, Surfer actually knocked Durok out, something Thor couldn't do:
http://s13.postimg.org/qtdqv3lz7/Thor_193_28.jpg

You attack abhi for leaving out scans, yet here you do the exact same thing when it comes to Thor. You need to follow your own advice, otherwise you'll seem like a hypocrite.

Next time post all the scans. Don't leave scans out to make Thor look better.

Thor fought Durok only two separate times, within the same comic... You make it sound like Thor was fighting Durok for eons or something, when in fact the fights weren't that long. The second fight is when Durok "kills" Thor.

Thor fought Durok a little longer than Surfer did, except unlike Thor, Surfer didn't die and he actually won his fight with Durok.

Let's sum things up:
- Thor failed to hurt Durok, and was killed, and had to be revived by Surfer.
- Surfer actually knocked Durok out, and defeated him via time dump.

The obvious conclusion is Surfer performed much better against Thor. Again, no amount of sugar coating will change this.

From what I know of thor and surfers power level, enraged thor bishslapped surfer, and surfer remarked "THAT.. ACTUALLY HURT!"


So thor is WAY below surfer iMO

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

It was a great showing for Surfer to keep refusing to give in to Milennius despite being exhausted but in no way did he do way better then Thor or whatever nonsense you were suggesting.

The idea that Surfer has historically done better, much less defeated beings that have beaten up Thor is just unsubstantiated imho.

Unsubstantiated? I don't think you know what that word means. I'll post Thor and Surfer's individual fights with Millennius for comparison, with the context.


Let's start with the context of how Surfer was weakened:
- Milleneus traps Surfer in his machine to drain Surfer's power cosmic.
- Milleneus confirms that Surfer will die from this, but Surfer breaks free just before everything went black.
http://s11.postimg.org/bdtzqmybz/Silver_Surfer_Thor_Annual_98_25.jpghttp://s11.postimg.org/dwforbk27/Silver_Surfer_Thor_Annual_98_26.jpghttp://s11.postimg.org/jlvxbmq8f/Silver_Surfer_Thor_Annual_98_29.jpg

Hence, Surfer was severely weakened during his fight with Millenneus

*Edit: Posts are separate because of the image limit.

Now let's compare how Thor and Surfer did in their individual fights against Millenneus:

Thor vs. Millenneus:
http://s16.postimg.org/og2f38rzl/Silver_Surfer_Thor_Annual_98_27.jpghttp://s16.postimg.org/rln0tgalt/Silver_Surfer_Thor_Annual_98_28.jpghttp://s16.postimg.org/hfj0o7fld/Silver_Surfer_Thor_Annual_98_29.jpghttp://s16.postimg.org/4iwhua94h/Silver_Surfer_Thor_Annual_98_30.jpghttp://s16.postimg.org/b0jzrj8vl/Silver_Surfer_Thor_Annual_98_32.jpg

Surfer vs. Millenneus (while weakened):
http://s28.postimg.org/mnbzxemw9/Silver_Surfer_Thor_Annual_98_33.jpghttp://s28.postimg.org/69s0e96qx/Silver_Surfer_Thor_Annual_98_34.jpghttp://s28.postimg.org/yrwbbi63t/Silver_Surfer_Thor_Annual_98_35.jpghttp://s28.postimg.org/9kgde4wo9/Silver_Surfer_Thor_Annual_98_36.jpghttp://s28.postimg.org/4bqeddkkp/Silver_Surfer_Thor_Annual_98_37.jpghttp://s28.postimg.org/crfyuvnft/Silver_Surfer_Thor_Annual_98_38.jpghttp://s28.postimg.org/hifucwga1/Silver_Surfer_Thor_Annual_98_39.jpg

Surfer not only lasts much longer, he had a much better back and forth, and even physically held his own against Millenneus better than Thor did. Surfer did all of this after having his power cosmic drained.

I think it's very substantiated that Surfer performed better.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Now let's compare how Thor and Surfer did in their individual fights against Millenneus:

Thor vs. Millenneus:
http://s16.postimg.org/og2f38rzl/Silver_Surfer_Thor_Annual_98_27.jpghttp://s16.postimg.org/rln0tgalt/Silver_Surfer_Thor_Annual_98_28.jpghttp://s16.postimg.org/hfj0o7fld/Silver_Surfer_Thor_Annual_98_29.jpghttp://s16.postimg.org/4iwhua94h/Silver_Surfer_Thor_Annual_98_30.jpghttp://s16.postimg.org/b0jzrj8vl/Silver_Surfer_Thor_Annual_98_32.jpg



Theres no contest here, surfer is superior I'm sorry, but thor is just too young here.

Originally posted by One-Punch


Here we go. Thor failed to defeat Durok, and was essentially killed. While Surfer not only saved Thor's life, he actually knocked Durok out, and defeated him via time dump. No amount sugar coating is going to change these facts.

And are you seriously going to pull an abhi and leave out leave out scans? That's pretty low of you, do you really want to be considered Thor's abhi?

I never said Surfer did not defeat Durok, but he did so through a time jump bfr or something. It is a showing with a huge asterisk. Your initial post implies that Surfer is somehow more powerful than Thor based on this fight when he was completely outclassed against Durok.

If anything YOU need to stop leaving out context intentionally to present a different picture from what happened.

What are you talking about? I posted the entire fight.

Originally posted by One-Punch
First, you intentionally left out the scans of Surfer using his power to revive Thor from death. I guess it must be embarrassing for you as a Thor fan to see Surfer save Thor's life from Durok, but it happened:


Why are you implying that I left out some context or something? What does Surfer reviving Thor have to do with Surfer vs. Durok? I acknowledged that Durok practically killed Thor if that's what you mean.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Second, you intentionally left out the last scan of Surfer's fight with Durok. It clearly shows that Surfer knocked out Durok before time dumping him. I repeat, Surfer actually knocked Durok out, something Thor couldn't do:


I posted all the scenes where Surfer and Durok encounter each other, including the scene where he takes him to the future. Look at my last post.

Again, I posted the entire fight and I already told you that Surfer beat Durok. Smh. It was simply with a huge asterisk and not all relevant unless you think he is going to try and bfr Sentry. Nor does it in anyway imply a power superiority over Thor.

Originally posted by One-Punch
You attack abhi for leaving out scans, yet here you do the exact same thing when it comes to Thor. You need to follow your own advice, otherwise you'll seem like a hypocrite.

Next time post all the scans. Don't leave scans out to make Thor look better.

I do attack him because leaving out context purposefully is shady and underhanded shit.

Aside from the fact that we BOTH know Surfer revived Thor, it's not relevant to Surfer vs. Durok. I'll scan the entire comic from you from the cover to the letter pages if you think I have some issue with posting all the scans (Which is retarded, as this is a well known fight and the scans are easy to come across).

Originally posted by One-Punch
Thor fought Durok only two separate times, within the same comic... You make it sound like Thor was fighting Durok for eons or something, when in fact the fights weren't that long. The second fight is when Durok "kills" Thor.

Thor fought Durok a little longer than Surfer did, except unlike Thor, Surfer didn't die and he actually won his fight with Durok.

Let's sum things up:
- Thor failed to hurt Durok, and was killed, and had to be revived by Surfer.
- Surfer actually knocked Durok out, and defeated him via time dump.

The obvious conclusion is Surfer performed much better against Thor. Again, no amount of sugar coating will change this.

Thor fought Durok three times back to back (It's a running narrative, the clock does not reset just because it's the next issue). As a matter of fact, right before he fought Durok, he fought Loki (With the Odin Ring).

No, Thor fought Durok for a LOT longer than Surfer. He also fought Durok far more evenly even in close combat while Surfer was continuously manhandled like some limp-wristed fagg*t, was taken out in like one attack.

You lecture me on leaving out Surfer reviving Thor when comparing their respective fights (As if that is relevant) and then here you are, outright lying? Thor fought Durok more than once and for a lot longer than Surfer. Here's the first fight:
http://s8.postimg.org/gyf2g8d4x/Thor192_06.jpghttp://s8.postimg.org/v3kvi1m69/Thor192_07.jpghttp://s8.postimg.org/bqykpilxd/Thor192_08.jpghttp://s8.postimg.org/4l289bngh/Thor192_09.jpghttp://s8.postimg.org/8vlhinhxd/Thor192_10.jpg

"And so the battle rages, minute after minute, blow after blow!"

It took so long that Loki decided to intervene.

And Loki being Loki not only tried to physically beat Thor but destroyed him mentally by flaunting his marriage with Sif at the end of Thor's second fight with Durok:
http://s15.postimg.org/urvu412d3/Thor192_14.jpghttp://s3.postimg.org/3usz0pkov/Thor192_18.jpghttp://s3.postimg.org/tev97562n/Thor192_19.jpg

Correction, Surfer momentarily knocked out Durok through a time-jump (For some reason) and bfr'ed him in to the future.

A great showing of versatility I guess but the entire fight in no way implies that Surfer has any sort of power edge over Thor. As a matter of fact, he looks a lot weaker in direct combat in comparison to Thor if we used Durok as a measuring stick.

A SINGLE punch from Durok had Surfer on his ass for like an entire page. Later on, one direct blast temporarily knocked him out. Thor spent a noticeable amount of time trading blows to the face from Durok and fought him on 3 different occasions (Mostly off-panel for the last two) after already fighting a powerful opponent. WHILE mentally distraught.

On top of that, we have a pissed off Thor one-shot killing Durok:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/RagnarokThor58.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/RagnarokThor59.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/RagnarokThor60.jpg

The idea that Surfer came off as more powerful when using Durok as a measuring stick is not only laughable, but legitimately retarded.

Any version of SENTRY will STOMP SS

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Meh Norrin ftw there is a reason marvel doesn't have him in the same room as this hype machine

DS crushes him

sentry ftw

Sentry

Originally posted by the Darkone


Still waiting for -pr- or Bada to prohibit this guy from posting in any Sentry related thread.

I'm still trying to figure out what Millenius, and Durok has to do with DS Sentry ripping Norrin apart? These guys are on totally different levels. Not only would DS Sentry beat Millenius, and Durok, he could probably beat them together. Thor was nearly killed from being thrown through space by DS Sentry for crying out loud. So again why compare these weaklings to him?

I also call bull on Void being "gone", didn't DS use Voidtacles to rape Jen?

Originally posted by SamZED
I also call bull on Void being "gone", didn't DS use Voidtacles to rape Jen?

Yes but you have to remember...Sentry and Void are one. Whatever Void did, he did it with Sentrys power. With that said, I don't see anything weird or out of context with Sentry using that ability since Sentry IS Void.

Originally posted by Stoic
Thor was nearly killed from being thrown through space by DS Sentry for crying out loud.

Originally posted by One-Punch


Here we go. Thor failed to defeat Durok, and was essentially killed. While Surfer not only saved Thor's life, he actually knocked Durok out, and defeated him via time dump. No amount sugar coating is going to change these facts.

And are you seriously going to pull an abhi and leave out leave out scans? That's pretty low of you, do you really want to be considered Thor's abhi?

First, you intentionally left out the scans of Surfer using his power to revive Thor from death. I guess it must be embarrassing for you as a Thor fan to see Surfer save Thor's life from Durok, but it happened:
http://s8.postimg.org/llndjc0ox/Thor_193_16.jpg

Second, you intentionally left out the last scan of Surfer's fight with Durok. It clearly shows that Surfer knocked out Durok before time dumping him. I repeat, Surfer actually knocked Durok out, something Thor couldn't do:
http://s13.postimg.org/qtdqv3lz7/Thor_193_28.jpg

You attack abhi for leaving out scans, yet here you do the exact same thing when it comes to Thor. You need to follow your own advice, otherwise you'll seem like a hypocrite.

Next time post all the scans. Don't leave scans out to make Thor look better.

Thor fought Durok only two separate times, within the same comic... You make it sound like Thor was fighting Durok for eons or something, when in fact the fights weren't that long. The second fight is when Durok "kills" Thor.

Thor fought Durok a little longer than Surfer did, except unlike Thor, Surfer didn't die and he actually won his fight with Durok.

Let's sum things up:
- Thor failed to hurt Durok, and was killed, and had to be revived by Surfer.
- Surfer actually knocked Durok out, and defeated him via time dump.

The obvious conclusion is Surfer performed much better against Thor. Again, no amount of sugar coating will change this.

Originally posted by carver9
Yes but you have to remember...Sentry and Void are one. Whatever Void did, he did it with Sentrys power. With that said, I don't see anything weird or out of context with Sentry using that ability since Sentry IS Void. True. But the way Sentry put it it seemed every aspect of Void is gone.

Originally posted by SamZED
True. But the way Sentry put it it seemed every aspect of Void is gone.

It just may well be. I actually liked the void. But I can't wait to see a Sentry with a clear conscience without all of the baggage. No more using mental escapades for excuses. We can potentially have a consistently written Sentry.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Surfer vs. Millenneus (while weakened):
http://s28.postimg.org/mnbzxemw9/Silver_Surfer_Thor_Annual_98_33.jpghttp://s28.postimg.org/69s0e96qx/Silver_Surfer_Thor_Annual_98_34.jpghttp://s28.postimg.org/yrwbbi63t/Silver_Surfer_Thor_Annual_98_35.jpghttp://s28.postimg.org/9kgde4wo9/Silver_Surfer_Thor_Annual_98_36.jpghttp://s28.postimg.org/4bqeddkkp/Silver_Surfer_Thor_Annual_98_37.jpghttp://s28.postimg.org/crfyuvnft/Silver_Surfer_Thor_Annual_98_38.jpghttp://s28.postimg.org/hifucwga1/Silver_Surfer_Thor_Annual_98_39.jpg

Surfer not only lasts much longer, he had a much better back and forth, and even physically held his own against Millenneus better than Thor did. Surfer did all of this after having his power cosmic drained.

I think it's very substantiated that Surfer performed better.

I'd say DS sentry would beat Surfer, but objectively, Surfer did end up looking better in those scans.

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
It just may well be. I actually liked the void. But I can't wait to see a Sentry with a clear conscience without all of the baggage. No more using mental escapades for excuses. We can potentially have a consistently written Sentry. where is he btw. Was he ever shown after that last fight with Thor and Jen?

Originally posted by SamZED
where is he btw. Was he ever shown after that last fight with Thor and Jen?
He's nowhere. They PISed him off of the story. I guess Remender didn't know how to handle a character that was possibly more powerful and more dangerous than the Apoc twins combined.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He's nowhere. They PISed him off of the story. I guess Remender didn't know how to handle a character that was possibly more powerful and more dangerous than the Apoc twins combined.



sooooo true. Remender was originally going to bring ares back but decided to go with Bob he was probably thinking "Goddamn I forgot how powerful this insane douche was, and on top of that we gave him an amp. quick pretend like it never happened" but seriously after being eaten by the worm he by now should have escaped or reformed with ease. That's the issue with having uber powered trans beings in comics they will inevitably be PISed away. Ill just speculate that since he is all philosophical now that he is thinking up some cliche' reasoning. "All is nothingness therefore I will seize to follow the apocalypse twins" or some crap.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I never said Surfer did not defeat Durok, but he did so through a time jump bfr or something. It is a showing with a huge asterisk. Your initial post implies that Surfer is somehow more powerful than Thor based on this fight when he was completely outclassed against Durok.

Why the huge asterisk? Knocking Durok out and dumping him into the future still counts as defeating him.



How am I leaving out context? All I did was provide missing scans that you neglected to post.

No, you missed the last scan of the fight that clearly shows that Surfer knocked Durok out. I think that's a pretty damn important scan to leave out.



It shows that Surfer expended some energy healing Thor. Reviving a god isn't cheap on energy expenditure. Especially given that the Durok fight is within the timeline when Surfer was depowered on Earth.



Look at your scans, you're missing the last scene where Surfer actually brings Durok to the future. Hence why I had to post it.

Stop downplaying Surfer beating Durok. Surfer knocked Durok out and then time dumped him. There's no "asterisk" needed. And why wouldn't a time BFR be considered viable? A regular BFR wouldn't work on Sentry since he can easily return with his FTL speed. A time dump is something he can't return from.

Before you or any body else says time travel isn't in character for Surfer, he's actually time traveled several times, including with numerous allies.

And if a space worm can remove Sentry from the battlefield why couldn't Surfer?





No argument from me.



Why wouldn't it be? Expending a lot of energy reviving a god (especially during the era when Surfer was depowered) is costly in a fight. You left out the scan showing Surfer knocking Durok out.




The second fight was pretty short, Thor arrives and gets whacked to the ground. Then as soon as Thor is about to attack, Durok get's teleported away. That doesn't sound very long if Durok was teleported away before Thor could even attack back.



I'm not the one who left out a crucial scan showing that Durok was knocked out by Surfer. Besides, Thor having an extended fight and not being able to defeat Durok, and then being killed by Durok at the end doesn't help your case. While Surfer had a shorter fight, was able to knock out Durok, and win via time dump.

a) Thor lost and died as a result of his fight.

b) Surfer knocked Durok out, and won via time dump.

Who sounds like they did better in their fights?



Briefly? Durok's unconscious body was shown for multiple panels while Surfer was flying around the future finding a spot to place Durok's unconscious body.

And why would time traveling knock Durok out? Surfer has brought many of people (including regular humans) back/forward in time and they've never been knocked out or ever suffered ill effects.

If we look at the scans just before Surfer time travels we see that Surfer and Durok are physically wrestling and fighting each other on Surfer's board. The next page shows Surfer triumphantly standing over Durok's unconscious body.
http://s30.postimg.org/t52sxc6sd/Thor_193_27.jpghttp://s13.postimg.org/qtdqv3lz7/Thor_193_28.jpg

It's actually common for classic Surfer to be physically beat-up and and then turn around and beat the shit out of an enemy during his classica era.

A good example would be Surfer's fight with classic Abomination. Surfer gets tossed around like he did in Durok's fight, but when he gets fed up he beats the living f*ck A-Bomb in their physical struggle:

http://s28.postimg.org/gy42v7bu1/Silver_Surfer12_18.jpghttp://s28.postimg.org/o2lw48j3d/Silver_Surfer12_19.jpghttp://s28.postimg.org/z4vkgf2jt/Silver_Surfer12_20.jpghttp://s28.postimg.org/5bok7tdwp/Silver_Surfer12_21.jpg



I never said Surfer is more powerful than Thor. I've said on dozens of occassions that they're roughly equals. The whole point of posting the Durok fight is to show that just because someone defeats Thor doesn't mean they'll defeat Surfer (or even vice versa). Especially when they have different power sets and versatility.

Another great example is classic Hulk, who Surfer has defeated a number of times quite easily simply 'cause he has the right power-set.


Surfer wasn't knocked out. Seriously, just because he gets knocked off his board it doesn't mean he's knocked out, especially when the the very next panel shows him conscious and rebuilding his board.

If you want to see what a knock out looks at, look at this last scan of Surfer's fight with Durok.
http://s13.postimg.org/qtdqv3lz7/Thor_193_28.jpg



Never said Surfer was more powerful. I said just 'cause someone beats Thor doesn't automatically mean they can defeat Surfer. Durok is just an example.

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On a separate note, what do you think of the idea that Death Sentry could stomp classic Durok and Millenneus at the same time?

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
sooooo true. Remender was originally going to bring ares back but decided to go with Bob he was probably thinking "Goddamn I forgot how powerful this insane douche was, and on top of that we gave him an amp. quick pretend like it never happened" but seriously after being eaten by the worm he by now should have escaped or reformed with ease. That's the issue with having uber powered trans beings in comics they will inevitably be PISed away. Ill just speculate that since he is all philosophical now that he is thinking up some cliche' reasoning. "All is nothingness therefore I will seize to follow the apocalypse twins" or some crap.

Reported for lowballing Shai-Hulud, Grandfather of the Desert, the Worm who is God.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Why the huge asterisk? Knocking Durok out and dumping him into the future still counts as defeating him.



How am I leaving out context? All I did was provide missing scans that you neglected to post.

No, you missed the last scan of the fight that clearly shows that Surfer knocked Durok out. I think that's a pretty damn important scan to leave out.



It shows that Surfer expended some energy healing Thor. Reviving a god isn't cheap on energy expenditure. Especially given that the Durok fight is within the timeline when Surfer was depowered on Earth.



Look at your scans, you're missing the last scene where Surfer actually brings Durok to the future. Hence why I had to post it.

Stop downplaying Surfer beating Durok. Surfer knocked Durok out and then time dumped him. There's no "asterisk" needed. And why wouldn't a time BFR be considered viable? A regular BFR wouldn't work on Sentry since he can easily return with his FTL speed. A time dump is something he can't return from.

Before you or any body else says time travel isn't in character for Surfer, he's actually time traveled several times, including with numerous allies.

And if a space worm can remove Sentry from the battlefield why couldn't Surfer?





No argument from me.



Why wouldn't it be? Expending a lot of energy reviving a god (especially during the era when Surfer was depowered) is costly in a fight. You left out the scan showing Surfer knocking Durok out.




The second fight was pretty short, Thor arrives and gets whacked to the ground. Then as soon as Thor is about to attack, Durok get's teleported away. That doesn't sound very long if Durok was teleported away before Thor could even attack back.



I'm not the one who left out a crucial scan showing that Durok was knocked out by Surfer. Besides, Thor having an extended fight and not being able to defeat Durok, and then being killed by Durok at the end doesn't help your case. While Surfer had a shorter fight, was able to knock out Durok, and win via time dump.

a) Thor lost and died as a result of his fight.

b) Surfer knocked Durok out, and won via time dump.

Who sounds like they did better in their fights?



Briefly? Durok's unconscious body was shown for multiple panels while Surfer was flying around the future finding a spot to place Durok's unconscious body.

And why would time traveling knock Durok out? Surfer has brought many of people (including regular humans) back/forward in time and they've never been knocked out or ever suffered ill effects.

If we look at the scans just before Surfer time travels we see that Surfer and Durok are physically wrestling and fighting each other on Surfer's board. The next page shows Surfer triumphantly standing over Durok's unconscious body.
http://s30.postimg.org/t52sxc6sd/Thor_193_27.jpghttp://s13.postimg.org/qtdqv3lz7/Thor_193_28.jpg

It's actually common for classic Surfer to be physically beat-up and and then turn around and beat the shit out of an enemy during his classica era.

A good example would be Surfer's fight with classic Abomination. Surfer gets tossed around like he did in Durok's fight, but when he gets fed up he beats the living f*ck A-Bomb in their physical struggle:

http://s28.postimg.org/gy42v7bu1/Silver_Surfer12_18.jpghttp://s28.postimg.org/o2lw48j3d/Silver_Surfer12_19.jpghttp://s28.postimg.org/z4vkgf2jt/Silver_Surfer12_20.jpghttp://s28.postimg.org/5bok7tdwp/Silver_Surfer12_21.jpg



I never said Surfer is more powerful than Thor. I've said on dozens of occassions that they're roughly equals. The whole point of posting the Durok fight is to show that just because someone defeats Thor doesn't mean they'll defeat Surfer (or even vice versa). Especially when they have different power sets and versatility.

Another great example is classic Hulk, who Surfer has defeated a number of times quite easily simply 'cause he has the right power-set.


Surfer wasn't knocked out. Seriously, just because he gets knocked off his board it doesn't mean he's knocked out, especially when the the very next panel shows him conscious and rebuilding his board.

If you want to see what a knock out looks at, look at this last scan of Surfer's fight with Durok.
http://s13.postimg.org/qtdqv3lz7/Thor_193_28.jpg



Never said Surfer was more powerful. I said just 'cause someone beats Thor doesn't automatically mean they can defeat Surfer. Durok is just an example.

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On a separate note, what do you think of the idea that Death Sentry could stomp classic Durok and Millenneus at the same time?


None of the guys that you just mentioned, have DS Sentry's power set. Why are you bringing them up? Anyone that can physically own Thor the way that DS Sentry did, should by proxy be able to destroy the Surfer. Bringing the Hulk into this is just ridiculous, because the Surfer uses weakness exploitation against him. You're also cherry picking feats, while leaving out exactly how much Thor has withstood in the past. Thor being nearly killed by someone casually tossing him through space is a ridiculously high feat, In other words he was playing with Thor.

Thor has fought the Surfer several times, and most of their fights end with a stalemate. Sentry mentioned in this thread is on a whole other level.

Originally posted by Stoic
None of the guys that you just mentioned, have DS Sentry's power set. Why are you bringing them up? Anyone that can physically own Thor the way that DS Sentry did, should by proxy be able to destroy the Surfer. Bringing the Hulk into this is just ridiculous, because the Surfer uses weakness exploitation against him. You're also cherry picking feats, while leaving out exactly how much Thor has withstood in the past. Th be nearly killed by someone tossing him through space is a ridiculously high feat, In other words he was playing with Thor.

Thor has fought the Surfer several times, and most of their fights end with a stalemate. Sentry mentioned in this thread is on a whole other level.
Bro, a phucking WORM took out DSentry and he hasn't been seen since.

Surfer got this.

No one knows exactly how powerful that worm was. It was obviously more powerful than anyone mentioned in this thread if it was able to "seemingly" take the Sentry down. besides writers do stupid things all of the time for whatever reasons the powers that be beckon them to do. This does not however lessen the ease in which he dealt with Thor. The Surfer would not be able to replicate the feat. You know it, just like anyone else does.

Originally posted by Stoic
None of the guys that you just mentioned, have DS Sentry's power set. Why are you bringing them up? Anyone that can physically own Thor the way that DS Sentry did, should by proxy be able to destroy the Surfer. Bringing the Hulk into this is just ridiculous, because the Surfer uses weakness exploitation against him. You're also cherry picking feats, while leaving out exactly how much Thor has withstood in the past. Thor being nearly killed by someone casually tossing him through space is a ridiculously high feat, In other words he was playing with Thor.

Thor has fought the Surfer several times, and most of their fights end with a stalemate. Sentry mentioned in this thread is on a whole other level.

You obviously didn't read anything I posted. Surfer has most of Sentry's powerset and more, you know that right? My whole point is just because someone defeats Thor doesn't mean they'll automatically defeat Surfer. That's the whole point of Durok, Hulk, Millenneus, etc. Sentry's only feat is defeating Thor, and being eaten by a space worm. He barely has any appearances without Void and with the Death Seed.

Also you need to stop making up false BS about how Thor was dying when Sentry blitzed him at super speed. Thor was NEVER "nearly killed." He was merely disoriented from the speed.
http://i57.tinypic.com/1zn4ryq.jpg

How do you confuse near-death with disorientation? Such a monumental mistake. I hope people weren't gullible enough to believe your blatant lie.

This is third time I caught you lying. You were wrong about Blue Marvel one-shotting Sentry; and you were wrong about the Avengers going all out against Blue Marvel.

I hope you're not lying intentionally, and just really ignorant. The latter is forgivable, the former is just downright dishonest.

Surfer wins. Everything Dentry can do, but on a grander scale.

Dentry < Worm < Surfer.

Originally posted by Stoic
No one knows exactly how powerful that worm was. It was obviously more powerful than anyone mentioned in this thread if it was able to "seemingly" take the Sentry down. besides writers do stupid things all of the time for whatever reasons the powers that be beckon them to do. This does not however lessen the ease in which he dealt with Thor. The Surfer would not be able to replicate the feat. You know it, just like anyone else does.
I know no such thing.

The writer already forgot about that joke. People are giving this fly by night loser majority wins over an established high herald. It's annoying.

If anything, Thor was written down to make DSentry seem more formidable. The mask came off when the worm made short work of him.

Wow the glinting bastards are out in full force tonight.

Originally posted by zopzop
Bro, a phucking WORM took out DSentry and he hasn't been seen since.

Surfer got this.

Surfer got taken out by a city busting Meteor. Imagine what a punch from Sentry would do...The same one he used on Thor that shook the planet.

Originally posted by carver9
Surfer got taken out by a city busting Meteor. Imagine what a punch from Sentry would do...The same one he used on Thor that shook the planet.

Surfer once knocked out Hulk for a long while with one blast. No weakness exploitation. Just pure cosmic blast.

Imagine what that would do to Sentry...amirite?

Originally posted by One-Punch
Surfer once knocked out Hulk for a long while with one blast. No weakness exploitation. Just pure cosmic blast.

Imagine what that would do to Sentry...amirite?

Not mad at Surfer taking out 'Classic Hulk' with a blast. What I do know is that it won't happen anymore though. Not with Current Hulk. Nice try though. This attempt at trying to get back at me for getting back at Zop for making a lame attempt failed.

Originally posted by carver9
Surfer got taken out by a city busting Meteor. Imagine what a punch from Sentry would do...The same one he used on Thor that shook the planet.
Hulk got choked out by an anaconda. Imagine what a punch from a gorilla would do to him?

Hulk got owned by Machine Man. Imagine what Jocasta would do to him?

Originally posted by zopzop
Hulk got choked out by an anaconda. Imagine what a punch from a gorilla would do to him?

Hulk got owned by Machine Man. Imagine what Jocasta would do to him?



Aaaahhhh...so you are using 15 to 20 plus yrs showings? What I told you just recently happened with Surfer. Sentry stomps with his planetary strength.

Funny, because that meteor showing you're talking about happened 15 years ago too...

Originally posted by carver9
Aaaahhhh...so you are using 15 to 20 plus yrs showings? What I told you just recently happened with Surfer. Sentry stomps with his planetary strength.
Planetary level strength? Surfer's been there, done that, at least 4 times that I can recall.

Surfer transmutes himself into that space worm then proceeds to rip DSentry a new one.

/Thread

Originally posted by One-Punch

Also you need to stop making up false BS about how Thor was dying when Sentry blitzed him at super speed. Thor was NEVER "nearly killed." He was merely disoriented from the speed.
http://i57.tinypic.com/1zn4ryq.jpg

How do you confuse near-death with disorientation?

It could of have been from the Sentry easing Thors mind by assuring him he wouldn't kill him. Seems apparent to me that not only did that play out as a description to the reading public that Dsentry could have killed Thor at his leisure, but it also was used to explain to Thor that he wasn't in danger of dying although he probably thought he was going to.

So basically the people that are debating in Surfers defense feel that he could casually take out Thor like Dsentry did? Do I have this correct?

Forum Surfer is alive and well. Look out KMC!

Originally posted by zopzop
Bro, a phucking WORM took out DSentry and he hasn't been seen since.

Surfer got this.



http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/85175/2582659-1006287_746918_bpss_super_super.jpg

Originally posted by tkitna
So basically the people that are debating in Surfers defense feel that he could casually take out Thor like Dsentry did? Do I have this correct?

That seems to be what I'm understanding as well. So why not all of us just use the worm to downplay Sentry even though we have no idea as to how powerful it was. Who said that the worm wasn't as powerful, or more powerful than a High Trans character, or Sky Father? Is it because of what it looks like? Most likely.

It's obvious that the worm creature was a powerful creature. Or, it wasn't and Sentry broke free of it with ease. We don't know what happened because we have yet to see Sentry, it certainly couldn't have killed him, from what he has survived. Zop and those that are bringing up the worm incident should stop using it as some form of argument , because it is an unknown variable.

What we do know for sure, is that Sentry was able to casually, (or should I say with ease?) deal with Thor at OPTIMAL levels, which is something that the Surfer has never done, and never will do.

Janus your talking all of this mumbo jumbo. I have but 1 question for you. Can the Silver Surfer spite stomp Thor the way Death seed Sentry did and can?

Originally posted by Tony Stark
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Shhh... let's tuck that one away, and attempt to forget all about that scene, it would be low balling.

Originally posted by One-Punch
You obviously didn't read anything I posted. Surfer has most of Sentry's powerset and more, you know that right? My whole point is just because someone defeats Thor doesn't mean they'll automatically defeat Surfer. That's the whole point of Durok, Hulk, Millenneus, etc. Sentry's only feat is defeating Thor, and being eaten by a space worm. He barely has any appearances without Void and with the Death Seed.

Also you need to stop making up false BS about how Thor was dying when Sentry blitzed him at super speed. Thor was NEVER "nearly killed." He was merely disoriented from the speed.
http://i57.tinypic.com/1zn4ryq.jpg

How do you confuse near-death with disorientation? Such a monumental mistake. I hope people weren't gullible enough to believe your blatant lie.

This is third time I caught you lying. You were wrong about Blue Marvel one-shotting Sentry; and you were wrong about the Avengers going all out against Blue Marvel.

I hope you're not lying intentionally, and just really ignorant. The latter is forgivable, the former is just downright dishonest.

Can you post the rest of the scene? I mean when he tosses Thor. Do you have that page?

Originally posted by Tony Stark
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/85175/2582659-1006287_746918_bpss_super_super.jpg


Originally posted by Stoic
Shhh... let's tuck that one away, and attempt to forget all about that scene, it would be low balling.
Context. The writer made it clear what was going on with Surfer in that issue.

Compare that to the DSentry/Worm fiasco.

Originally posted by zopzop
Context. The writer made it clear what was going on with Surfer in that issue.

Compare that to the DSentry/Worm fiasco.

You have no idea as to how powerful the worm was though. This is the prime reason that you should stop bringing it up, because if it can do that to Sentry, then it could do it to any well known top tier. He has feats that show that he was a top tier pre death, and that was at a weaker level iirc. Just stop bringing it up, because instead of getting the results that you are aiming for, it's unintentionally placing egg on your face. You simply have no idea as to how powerful the creature was. But by all means continue to ignore that basic fact.

Originally posted by Stoic
You have no idea as to how powerful the worm was though. This is the prime reason that you should stop bringing it up, because if it can do that to Sentry, then it could do it to any well known top tier. He has feats that show that he was a top tier pre death, and that was at a weaker level iirc. Just stop bringing it up, because instead of getting the results that you are aiming for, it's unintentionally placing egg on your face. You simply have no idea as to how powerful the creature was. But by all means continue to ignore that basic fact.
WTH are you talking about?

That featless/fightless wonder was owned by a damn worm! Before you go on about how he was "handling" Thor, DSentry didn't do any lasting damage to him.

So what has DSentry done? Roughed Thor up a bit then got his @$$ handed to him by a worm. The End. Even the fuggin' writer forgot about him.

Originally posted by zopzop
WTH are you talking about?

That featless/fightless wonder was owned by a damn worm! Before you go on about how he was "handling" Thor, DSentry didn't do any lasting damage to him.

So what has DSentry done? Roughed Thor up a bit then got his @$$ handed to him by a worm. The End. Even the fuggin' writer forgot about him.

That's your argument? Dismissing the ease at how Sentry dealt with Thor? Seriously? This is something that the Silver Surfer has never done, and never will do.

Do you know how powerful the Worm was? Yes or No? If your answer is no proceed to section 3.

Section 2 states that until you have some concrete proof as to how powerful the worm was, you should stop bringing it up, otherwise your claim will be dismissed. Your problem is that you're too hung up on what the creature looked like, the writer could have used the worm to be as powerful as Galactus, this is not real stuff Zop, it's fiction. We can do this all day Zop. The hulk was choked out be a featless snake. The Surfer was taken down by a Mexican roofing crew, Thanos was thrown in jail, Darkseid was owned by a flight of stairs.... the list goes on, and on.

You're also beginning to remind me of someone. The worm is inconsequential, what remains is how easily Thor was dealt with. I'm starting to wonder if you get that yet?

Originally posted by zopzop
WTH are you talking about?

That featless/fightless wonder was owned by a damn worm! Before you go on about how he was "handling" Thor, DSentry didn't do any lasting damage to him.

So what has DSentry done? Roughed Thor up a bit then got his @$$ handed to him by a worm. The End. Even the fuggin' writer forgot about him.

I think we are taking the worm thing too seriously. That was obviously PIS and if anything it made deathtry look even more powerful. That's like Remender saying that Deathtry is so strong that no one can defeat him so it takes another entity to momentarily occupy him. Getting eaten by that giant worm isn't even embarrassing at all. Its not like he got physically dominated in an encounter or got outclassed by an individual, he was simply swallowed. Also you say that Deathtry didn't do any long lasting damage to Thor? You do realize that he easily could have, but chose not to? While he was traveling at light speed while choking thor he made it apparent that he wasn't going to hurt him. He could have torn Thor limb from limb. His speed alone disoriented thor and he koed him twice without effort. And while thor was trying to attack deathry he was simply smiling at him and giving a speech on how happy he was that he was cured of his agoraphobia and mental illness. So don't think that he couldn't end Thor if he wanted to lol.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Why the huge asterisk? Knocking Durok out and dumping him into the future still counts as defeating him.



How am I leaving out context? All I did was provide missing scans that you neglected to post.

No, you missed the last scan of the fight that clearly shows that Surfer knocked Durok out. I think that's a pretty damn important scan to leave out.



It shows that Surfer expended some energy healing Thor. Reviving a god isn't cheap on energy expenditure. Especially given that the Durok fight is within the timeline when Surfer was depowered on Earth.



Look at your scans, you're missing the last scene where Surfer actually brings Durok to the future. Hence why I had to post it.

Stop downplaying Surfer beating Durok. Surfer knocked Durok out and then time dumped him. There's no "asterisk" needed. And why wouldn't a time BFR be considered viable? A regular BFR wouldn't work on Sentry since he can easily return with his FTL speed. A time dump is something he can't return from.

Before you or any body else says time travel isn't in character for Surfer, he's actually time traveled several times, including with numerous allies.

And if a space worm can remove Sentry from the battlefield why couldn't Surfer?





No argument from me.



Why wouldn't it be? Expending a lot of energy reviving a god (especially during the era when Surfer was depowered) is costly in a fight. You left out the scan showing Surfer knocking Durok out.




The second fight was pretty short, Thor arrives and gets whacked to the ground. Then as soon as Thor is about to attack, Durok get's teleported away. That doesn't sound very long if Durok was teleported away before Thor could even attack back.



I'm not the one who left out a crucial scan showing that Durok was knocked out by Surfer. Besides, Thor having an extended fight and not being able to defeat Durok, and then being killed by Durok at the end doesn't help your case. While Surfer had a shorter fight, was able to knock out Durok, and win via time dump.

a) Thor lost and died as a result of his fight.

b) Surfer knocked Durok out, and won via time dump.

Who sounds like they did better in their fights?



Briefly? Durok's unconscious body was shown for multiple panels while Surfer was flying around the future finding a spot to place Durok's unconscious body.

And why would time traveling knock Durok out? Surfer has brought many of people (including regular humans) back/forward in time and they've never been knocked out or ever suffered ill effects.

If we look at the scans just before Surfer time travels we see that Surfer and Durok are physically wrestling and fighting each other on Surfer's board. The next page shows Surfer triumphantly standing over Durok's unconscious body.
http://s30.postimg.org/t52sxc6sd/Thor_193_27.jpghttp://s13.postimg.org/qtdqv3lz7/Thor_193_28.jpg

It's actually common for classic Surfer to be physically beat-up and and then turn around and beat the shit out of an enemy during his classica era.

A good example would be Surfer's fight with classic Abomination. Surfer gets tossed around like he did in Durok's fight, but when he gets fed up he beats the living f*ck A-Bomb in their physical struggle:

http://s28.postimg.org/gy42v7bu1/Silver_Surfer12_18.jpghttp://s28.postimg.org/o2lw48j3d/Silver_Surfer12_19.jpghttp://s28.postimg.org/z4vkgf2jt/Silver_Surfer12_20.jpghttp://s28.postimg.org/5bok7tdwp/Silver_Surfer12_21.jpg



I never said Surfer is more powerful than Thor. I've said on dozens of occassions that they're roughly equals. The whole point of posting the Durok fight is to show that just because someone defeats Thor doesn't mean they'll defeat Surfer (or even vice versa). Especially when they have different power sets and versatility.

Another great example is classic Hulk, who Surfer has defeated a number of times quite easily simply 'cause he has the right power-set.


Surfer wasn't knocked out. Seriously, just because he gets knocked off his board it doesn't mean he's knocked out, especially when the the very next panel shows him conscious and rebuilding his board.

If you want to see what a knock out looks at, look at this last scan of Surfer's fight with Durok.
http://s13.postimg.org/qtdqv3lz7/Thor_193_28.jpg



Never said Surfer was more powerful. I said just 'cause someone beats Thor doesn't automatically mean they can defeat Surfer. Durok is just an example.

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On a separate note, what do you think of the idea that Death Sentry could stomp classic Durok and Millenneus at the same time?
Wow, vince ****ing owned rage.

Originally posted by zopzop


Before you go on about how he was "handling" Thor, DSentry didn't do any lasting damage to him.



Good lord, he 2 shotted him and could have killed him at any time. He was toying with him. No lasting damage,,,,,that's just reaching.

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
I think we are taking the worm thing too seriously. That was obviously PIS and if anything it made deathtry look even more powerful. That's like Remender saying that Deathtry is so strong that no one can defeat him so it takes another entity to momentarily occupy him. Getting eaten by that giant worm isn't even embarrassing at all. Its not like he got physically dominated in an encounter or got outclassed by an individual, he was simply swallowed. Also you say that Deathtry didn't do any long lasting damage to Thor? You do realize that he easily could have, but chose not to? While he was traveling at light speed while choking thor he made it apparent that he wasn't going to hurt him. He could have torn Thor limb from limb. His speed alone disoriented thor and he koed him twice without effort. And while thor was trying to attack deathry he was simply smiling at him and giving a speech on how happy he was that he was cured of his agoraphobia and mental illness. So don't think that he couldn't end Thor if he wanted to lol.
You realize that DSentry is, in all probability, dead right? DBanshee, DDaken, and DGrimReaper bit the dust no? This was probably the writer's way of killing off DSentry.

I didn't want to mention this before because it looks like Stoic and Tkitna are becoming hysterical in their defense of Sentry and I didn't want to push them over the edge. I'm not a monster. angel

That worm that took out DSentry must be low skyfather at least!

It was the writers way of removing Sentry from the story so the Wasp and Thor could continue to live. Is Sentry dead? Who knows. Could be. If he is, that worm that you keep making snide remarks about, must be one badass vermes.

Its not us that's getting upset about this battle, its you being delusional thinking that Surfer can take a character that treats Thor like a ragdoll. You never did answer the question if you thought Surfer could take Thor out that easily. I think we all know the answer to that.

Originally posted by zopzop
If anything, Thor was written down to make DSentry seem more formidable.
That would seem more reasonable since Remender wrote him getting disoriented by ftl speed, while during the same time period, running concurrent to his Uncanny run, Aaron showcased Thor having no problems with transluminal travel.

Originally posted by zopzop
Hulk got choked out by an anaconda. Imagine what a punch from a gorilla would do to him?
Originally posted by Epicurus
Shanna the She-Devil saves the Incredible Hulk from a giant gorilla:
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So much for adamantium-level durability.

Originally posted by tkitna
It could of have been from the Sentry easing Thors mind by assuring him he wouldn't kill him. Seems apparent to me that not only did that play out as a description to the reading public that Dsentry could have killed Thor at his leisure, but it also was used to explain to Thor that he wasn't in danger of dying although he probably thought he was going to.

There's a huge difference between claiming that Sentry nearly killed Thor by tossing him into space versus Sentry telling Thor he won't kill him. The former never happened.

Show me a panel or narration (or any evidence) that says Thor thought he was going to die.

Originally posted by Stoic
The Surfer was taken down by a Mexican roofing crew
The Surfer let them do that. The best lowball-trolls are the ones who never leave out the context when going about their lowballing.

I'd say you certainly don't count as a good lowball-troll.

Wow

Some of you have terrible debating tactics. It is actually laughable. Surfer has no chance in hell against DS. People are just being ignorant because they dislike the character. It is plan as day that Surfer would get stomp here. From the way DS has been portrayed currently, there is no solid argument in favor of Surfer taking this.

Originally posted by One-Punch
There's a huge difference between claiming that Sentry nearly killed Thor by tossing him into space versus Sentry telling Thor he won't kill him. The former never happened.

Show me a panel or narration (or any evidence) that says Thor thought he was going to die.

That has to be the absolute worst argument I have ever heard... So someone has to think on panel that they're going to die in order for it to possibly happen? Just take a step back and think about what you just said.

Also since people on kmc like to ignore me ill ask again.... Do you guys think that the Silver Surfer can spite stomp Thor the same way that Deathtry did... I'm still waiting for that answer...

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
Still waiting for -pr- or Bada to prohibit this guy from posting in any Sentry related thread.

STFU

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
That has to be the absolute worst argument I have ever heard... So someone has to think on panel that they're going to die in order for it to possibly happen? Just take a step back and think about what you just said.

Also since people on kmc like to ignore me ill ask again.... Do you guys think that the Silver Surfer can spite stomp Thor the same way that Deathtry did... I'm still waiting for that answer...

No Norrin will never spite stomp Thor, nor has he ever. DS Sentry wins this with ease. They are on two different levels. One is a Herald, the other is a Herald destroyer.

Originally posted by bbrem123
Wow

Some of you have terrible debating tactics. It is actually laughable. Surfer has no chance in hell against DS. People are just being ignorant because they dislike the character. It is plan as day that Surfer would get stomp here. From the way DS has been portrayed currently, there is no solid argument in favor of Surfer taking this.

Spot on.

Originally posted by Stoic
No Norrin will never spite stomp Thor, nor has he ever. DS Sentry wins this with ease. They are on two different levels. One is a Herald, the other is a Herald destroyer.



Spot on.

Excellent. So I believe that concludes this thread.

DS wins this.

Originally posted by Epicurus
That would seem more reasonable since Remender wrote him getting disoriented by ftl speed, while during the same time period, running concurrent to his Uncanny run, Aaron showcased Thor having no problems with transluminal travel.

Well it was stated by narration that "their atoms are hurled foward at many times the speed of light". Maybe that would make a difference. Was it specified as being at that level of velocity under Aaron?

@one punch: Good job with your stance backing Surfer.

Can't we agree that a guy who is shown to be many many tiers beyond Thor should be to much for Surfer even though he lacks feats?

Originally posted by One-Punch
There's a huge difference between claiming that Sentry nearly killed Thor by tossing him into space versus Sentry telling Thor he won't kill him. The former never happened.

Show me a panel or narration (or any evidence) that says Thor thought he was going to die.

First of all, I didn't make the initial claim, only trying to shed some light upon it.
Thor didn't say anything as he was too disoriented.

Originally posted by SamZED
Can't we agree that a guy who is shown to be many many tiers beyond Thor should be to much for Surfer even though he lacks feats?
Of course we can.

The problem is you have to prove DSentry is "many many tiers" beyond Thor.

Originally posted by zopzop
Of course we can.

The problem is you have to prove DSentry is "many many tiers" beyond Thor.

Well, he did embarrass him twice in the only two encounters they had, including a 2 shot KO. Thor was powerless to stop him. How much more proof do you need?

Originally posted by tkitna
Well, he did embarrass him twice in the only two encounters they had, including a 2 shot KO. Thor was powerless to stop him. How much more proof do you need?
DSentry not getting owned by a random worm?

Originally posted by zopzop
Of course we can.

The problem is you have to prove DSentry is "many many tiers" beyond Thor. Eh I don't care enough. It's just the impression I got from reading their fights.

Originally posted by zopzop
DSentry not getting owned by a random worm?

Your desperation by holding onto that moment is almost embarrassing.

Originally posted by tkitna
Your desperation by holding onto that moment is almost embarrassing.
Not any more embarrassing than you refusing to see DSentry is out the picture. Got taken out by a worm.

Until he shows up again, we have to assume the worm ended him.

Sigh

Originally posted by zopzop
Not any more embarrassing than you refusing to see DSentry is out the picture. Got taken out by a worm.

Until he shows up again, we have to assume the worm ended him.

And this matters how since Dsentry disposed of a a character (Thor) in a way that your boy SS could never hope to do?

It'll be ok. Just admit that your wrong and move on at this point.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Well it was stated by narration that "their atoms are hurled foward at many times the speed of light". Maybe that would make a difference. Was it specified as being at that level of velocity under Aaron?

@one punch: Good job with your stance backing Surfer.
They were crossing lightyears within a few minutes under Aaron's writing.

If that's not ftl speed, then I don't know what is.

Originally posted by zopzop
Not any more embarrassing than you refusing to see DSentry is out the picture. Got taken out by a worm.

Until he shows up again, we have to assume the worm ended him.

not sure if serious...

man that worm would have destroyed thor and surfer as well. seeing how DS shit stomped thor twice

Originally posted by tkitna
And this matters how since Dsentry disposed of a a character (Thor) in a way that your boy SS could never hope to do?

It'll be ok. Just admit that your wrong and move on at this point.

Originally posted by bbrem123
Wow

Some of you have terrible debating tactics. It is actually laughable. Surfer has no chance in hell against DS. People are just being ignorant because they dislike the character. It is plan as day that Surfer would get stomp here. From the way DS has been portrayed currently, there is no solid argument in favor of Surfer taking this.


I'm infamous for claiming Sentry is just a high herald, but we're talking about an amped high herald. He should trash Surfer one way or another.

Originally posted by Bentley
I'm infamous for claiming Sentry is just a high herald, but we're talking about an amped high herald. He should trash Surfer one way or another.

Originally posted by Bentley
I'm infamous for claiming Sentry is just a high herald, but we're talking about an amped high herald. He should trash Surfer one way or another.








SENTRY is quite the high herald huh?

Able to go pure slugfest with WBH to a stalemate.

Able to out molecular manipulate Molecule Man on the fly while learning how to do it.

Able to fly so fast that he disorientates THOR who has stalemated SS in a flying race across space.

Able to wipe all the minds of earth in reference to his presence.

Able to tear gods in half with ease

Pssh he tore Ares in half who is phucking weak.

Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
Pssh he tore Ares in half who is phucking weak.

Yeah, that was a terrible feat.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/images/smilies/facepalm.gif

Originally posted by Bentley
I'm infamous for claiming Sentry is just a high herald, but we're talking about an amped high herald. He should trash Surfer one way or another.
So "amped" he got taken out by a worm controlled by Wasp?

Regular Sentry has been taken out by the Human Torch, for all we know the worm is a great improvement awesr

Originally posted by tkitna
Yeah, that was a terrible feat.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/images/smilies/facepalm.gif

Are you saying Ares is Strong?

Originally posted by Tony Stark


SENTRY is quite the high herald huh?

Able to go pure slugfest with WBH to a stalemate.

Able to out molecular manipulate Molecule Man on the fly while learning how to do it.

Able to fly so fast that he disorientates THOR who has stalemated SS in a flying race across space.

Able to wipe all the minds of earth in reference to his presence.

Able to tear gods in half with ease

Well with some of those feats he was influenced by the void so it wasn't bob completely. And he stalemated WWH. But still Sentry stomps. Me and stoic already put the nail in the coffin in this thread... It should really be closed at this point.

Originally posted by tkitna
Yeah, that was a terrible feat.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/images/smilies/facepalm.gif
That was a great feat actually. To tear someone in half takes extraordinary strength, in comics its literally unheard of.

Originally posted by Bentley
Regular Sentry has been taken out by the Human Torch, for all we know the worm is a great improvement awesr
But that's the thing. Sentry's power fluctuated A LOT during his short career.

In his Void or Void influenced form, he was clearly beyond herald.

DSentry only has his short fights with Thor. And going by those extremely limited showings, Thor was written down...................a lot.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was a great feat actually. To tear someone in half takes extraordinary strength, in comics its literally unheard of.

Yeah that is true. Even for ripping Carnage apart.

Originally posted by Epicurus
They were crossing lightyears within a few minutes under Aaron's writing.

If that's not ftl speed, then I don't know what is.

So we have light years in a few minutes and many times the speed of light. Still no way to tell which one was faster but since DS Sentry was augmented beyond herald level I'd say the rate was achieved more rapidly and thus led to the disorientation that was in question. At any rate we're looking at 2 different writers so meh.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Yeah that is true. Even for ripping Carnage apart.



So we have light years in a few minutes and many times the speed of light. Still no way to tell which one was faster but since DS Sentry was augmented beyond herald level I'd say the rate was achieved more rapidly and thus led to the disorientation that was in question. At any rate we're looking at 2 different writers so meh.
And of course there is Superman ripping Doomsday in half.

ha-som

Oh and I see Zop is up to his old shenanigans again.
DS Sentry shits on Surfer.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Oh and I see Zop is up to his old shenanigans again.
DS Sentry shits on Surfer.
Its zop.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And of course there is Superman ripping Doomsday in half.

ha-som

mhmm......

Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
Pssh he tore Ares in half who is phucking weak.

Ares being weak?

Compared to the other gods he is.

Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
Compared to the other gods he is.

Lol emphasis on the word "god" ... I love how you use that term lightly.

Originally posted by Sundipped
mhmm......
Seriously, that was ****ing ridiculous. I have really never seen an above top tier get ripped in half like that.

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
Lol emphasis on the word "god" ... I love how you use that term lightly.

GOD

Feel better?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Seriously, that was ****ing ridiculous. I have really never seen an above top tier get ripped in half like that.

You'll never have an orgasm like the one you got when that happened again.

Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
Pssh he tore Ares in half who is phucking weak. "Weak"..? Maybe at one time, but during the Dark Reign/Siege affair, Ares was being given quite a push. He was able to do well against Shaman Nate Grey during Dark X-Men. This is the same Nate who was called "near omnipotent" and stated to be able to go one-on-one with Sentry, in the very same mini. Hell, that's also when Ares demonstrated the ability to casually step into 'Planck Time'. It's also worth mentioning that Nate couldn't find any attacks to counter Ares with because he is war personified on every plane/future.


That being said, Voidtry ripping Ares in half is actually a very uber feat, given his status at the time. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
"Weak"..? Maybe at one time, but during the Dark Reign/Siege affair, Ares was being given quite a push. He was able to do well against Shaman Nate Grey during Dark X-Men. This is the same Nate who was called "near omnipotent" and stated to be able to go one-on-one with Sentry, in the very same mini. Hell, that's also when Ares demonstrated the ability to casually step into 'Planck Time'. It's also worth mentioning that Nate couldn't find any attacks to counter Ares with because he is war personified on every plane/future.


That being said, Voidtry ripping Ares in half is actually a very uber feat, given his status at the time. /shrug

you are off topic. can't you see that the discussion is around Superman ripping DD in half?

Originally posted by Warlord
you are off topic. can't you see that the discussion is around Superman ripping DD in half?

Originally posted by abhilegend

I'm sure your are throwing a party or something

Here Surfer beats a WORM - http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/kkalla2.gif

Worm >>>> DSentry

THEREFORE

Surfer >>>> DSentry = Surfer ripps DSentry in half

/end thread. 👌

Originally posted by Warlord
I'm sure your are throwing a party or something
That would mean I'm awake after so many hours jerking off. I'm not.Originally posted by Ambient
Here Surfer beats a WORM - http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/kkalla2.gif

Worm >>>> DSentry

THEREFORE

Surfer >>>> DSentry = Surfer ripps DSentry in half

/end thread. 👌

LegendaryAbhi Agree's. 👌

Originally posted by Ambient
LegendaryAbhi Agree's. 👌
like

Originally posted by Bentley
Regular Sentry has been taken out by the Human Torch, for all we know the worm is a great improvement awesr

When did the human torch ever take out the Sentry?

he made sentry bfr himself

Originally posted by tkitna
When did the human torch ever take out the Sentry? He's likely talking about the Jim Hammond thing:
http://i.imgur.com/5YaDkM5.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
He's likely talking about the Jim Hammond thing:
http://i.imgur.com/5YaDkM5.jpg

That's exactly what he was referencing. I'm sure tkitna couldn't forget that incident.

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
That's exactly what he was referencing. I'm sure tkitna couldn't forget that incident.

I know what instance we're talking about. So the Sentry leaving under his own will without a punch being thrown is taking him out? Iron Man must have really kicked his ass then right?

Well, I would agree that Hammond did 'take out' Sentry there--a direct 'attack' from Hammond is what caused Sentry to flee, after all.

However, given the uber foes Sentry has owned, I believe that showing can be chalked up to PIS.

Originally posted by Galan007
Well, I would agree that Hammond did 'take out' Sentry there--a direct 'attack' from Hammond is what caused Sentry to flee, after all.

However, given the uber foes Sentry has owned, I believe that showing can be chalked up to PIS.

easily.

Yeah I just can't take the Sentry fleeing from a 2nd rate torch seriously since he feared for not only the human race but all earth bound heroes and villains alike if his powers got out of control. I guess people need to use whatever they can though.

Originally posted by Sundipped
You'll never have an orgasm like the one you got when that happened again.

Originally posted by tkitna
Yeah I just can't take the Sentry fleeing from a 2nd rate torch seriously.....
Hammond is easily the most impressive "Human Torch" in Marvel. Like I said before, Sentry, sans Void influence, was all over the place power wise based on his mental health. So I wouldn't even consider that a low showing for him (he's had worse anyway).

Originally posted by zopzop
Hammond is easily the most impressive "Human Torch" in Marvel. Like I said before, Sentry, sans Void influence, was all over the place power wise based on his mental health. So I wouldn't even consider that a low showing for him (he's had worse anyway).

What was worse?

Originally posted by Stoic
What was worse?
Not counting the Invaders/Avengers showing, his little tussle with Hercules. He had Venom and crew helping him and he was still tooled.

Originally posted by zopzop
Not counting the Invaders/Avengers showing, his little tussle with Hercules. He had Venom and crew helping him and he was still tooled.

He was kneed in the balls, by a Class 100. Can you imagine getting lifted, by something capable of shattering a building? Shit most dudes only need to be flicked there, and they sing soprano. I think being chased off by the original Torch is most likely the worst showing he has ever had. It wasn't the Hellicarrier, because momentum was his enemy there, not the weight.

Originally posted by Stoic
He was kneed in the balls, by a Class 100. Can you imagine getting lifted, by something capable of shattering a building? Shit most dudes only need to be flicked there, and they sing soprano. I think being chased off by the original Torch is most likely the worst showing he has ever had. It wasn't the Hellicarrier, because momentum was his enemy there, not the weight.
The knee to the crotch wasn't the worst part. Hercules was toying with him despite the fact that he had Venom all up in his grill.

The Hellicarrier was a "strength feat" humiliation. Momentum or not, any CL100 worth a damn would have held it.

Even thought I'm not Sentry's cheerleader this is a different version of Sentry. The only note-worthy low feat that DS Sentry is the wurm, but Sentry stated previously that he intended to betray the twins somehow, so it could be just a convenient set up after all (or Sentry is still instable and frustratingly so, it'd be in character).

This would still be meaningless against Surfer, unless Norrin could somehow exploit this mental weakness, which he might. In straight combat I wouldn't place my bets on Surfer as of now.

Originally posted by Stoic
He was kneed in the balls, by a Class 100. Can you imagine getting lifted, by something capable of shattering a building? Shit most dudes only need to be flicked there, and they sing soprano. I think being chased off by the original Torch is most likely the worst showing he has ever had. It wasn't the Hellicarrier, because momentum was his enemy there, not the weight.

Tony's tech also depowered him.

Power of a million suns, gone, just like that.