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1. Anything goes
2. Slugfest only

.who Wins?

Blue Marvel in both.

B.Marv wins both

1. BM
2. CS

You think Steel's gonna take a slugfest against the guy who slugged it out with Sentry, Anti-Man, King Hyperion, and nearly split the moon in half with a hunk of metal?

Originally posted by KingD19
You think Steel's gonna take a slugfest against the guy who slugged it out with Sentry, Anti-Man, King Hyperion, and nearly split the moon in half with a hunk of metal?

Gog couldn't put CS down.

Originally posted by KingD19
You think Steel's gonna take a slugfest against the guy who slugged it out with Sentry, Anti-Man, King Hyperion, and nearly split the moon in half with a hunk of metal?
Yes.

Originally posted by KingD19
You think Steel's gonna take a slugfest against the guy who slugged it out with Sentry, Anti-Man, King Hyperion, and nearly split the moon in half with a hunk of metal?

Nope,

Originally posted by Golgo13
Gog couldn't put CS down.

But Mammoth did.

Originally posted by KingD19
But Mammoth did.

ughh, I hated that arc. But i think CS has better feats on average. The demi gods the JSA were fighting (one that casually tossed aside Power Girl) couldn't put down CS, IIRC.

Are you saying you think CS has better feats than Marvel on average?

Originally posted by KingD19
Are you saying you think CS has better feats than Marvel on average? Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes.
Outperforming KC Superman is better than anything marvel did.

Marvel wins.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Outperforming KC Superman is better than anything marvel did.



That's Geoff Johns for ya.

Marvel in both, but close in a slugfest.

Citizen Steel is outclassed here.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Citizen Steel is outclassed here.
Not really.

Originally posted by Galan007
First off, facepalm @ this thread. Secondly, I'm going to repost a few scans, because quite frankly, MUCH more emphasis needs to be placed on some of them..

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Citizen Steel's armor does not weigh 280,000 lbs (as one of the first posts suggested) - that is it's tensile strength (ie. 280,000 pounds per square inch):

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_cs0.jpg

And since the armor is one piece and unjointed, it has to bend around CS every time he moves. Uber.

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That said, CS shredding/crumpling said armor like cheap toilet paper, is a ridiculous strength feat in itself:

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_cs4.jpg

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As far as other strength feats go, CS not only took a punch from herald-Gog (the JSA wrecker) without so much as flinching, but he also smacked that Gog around like a little b*tch:

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_cs1.jpg http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_cs2.jpg

If you'd like to know how powerful JSA Gog was, click here.

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And after removing his armor, CS was able to down 3rd-World-Gog (the God,) with a mere two punches:

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_cs5.jpg http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_cs6.jpg


Not even the combined efforts of the entire JSA (inc. KC Superman, Alan Scott, Obsidian, Thunderbolt, etc) were able to come close to doing that:

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_cs3.jpg


Respect!

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Citizen Steel is outclassed here.

By the way...what wins does CS have against anyone? Has he defeated (key word, defeat) anyone worth mentioning?

I have no doubt that Steele can slug it out. But Adam has other abilities as well. He wins here

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not really.
Nice. Forgot about that herald Gog one.

BM has done the same though.

Beat the phukk out of King Hyperion who has basically gone Gorr in countless earths. Gone Gorr as in butchered super heroes instead of gods.

Able to go toe toe with Anti-Man who was man-handling a very strong Avengers team.

Beat Pagan who has twice man-handled an Avengers team in the past.

And lastly pulverized Shuma's physical form albeit not yet fully powered, but impressive nonetheless as explained by Blade.

1. So fight one obviously goes to BM.
2. Fight two edge to BM. He's been far more consistent in physicality from his appearances. It's obvious Marvel has him in the cream of the crop tier when it comes to that.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Nice. Forgot about that herald Gog one.

BM has done the same though.

Beat the phukk out of King Hyperion who has basically gone Gorr in many earths. Gone Gorr as in butchered super heroes instead of gods.

Able to go toe toe with Anti-Man who was man-handling a very strong Avengers team.

Beat Pagan who has twice man-handled an Avengers team in the past.

And lastly pulverized Shuma's physical form albeit not yet fully powered, but impressive nonetheless as explained by Blade.

1. So fight one obviously goes to BM.
2. Fight two edge to BM. He's been far more consistent in physicality from his appearances. It's obvious Marvel has him in the cream of the crop tier when it comes to that.
King Hyperion broke his hand on Huggernaut's helmet and got his neck snapped by Namora. I don't know why that's touted to be so impressive. Seeing he only killed random alt reality fodder characters.

Anti-man beat the phuck out of him, broke his arm and left him for dead on the moon. He wasn't remotely on his level physically.

Now, that's interesting. When did he fight Pagan?

Third World Gog was more powerful than Shuma IMO. Even Thunderbolt couldn't do anything to him.

*And lo, Cort appears out of nowhere*

In a slugfest, Steel would win IMO. Marvel is supposed to be on the same level as Thor. Steel is above that level.

Originally posted by abhilegend
King Hyperion broke his hand on Huggernaut's helmet and got his neck snapped by Namora. I don't know why that's touted to be so impressive. Seeing he only killed random alt reality fodder characters.

Anti-man beat the phuck out of him, broke his arm and left him for dead on the moon. He wasn't remotely on his level physically.

Now, that's interesting. When did he fight Pagan?

Third World Gog was more powerful than Shuma IMO. Even Thunderbolt couldn't do anything to him.

*And lo, Cort appears out of nowhere*

In a slugfest, Steel would win IMO. Marvel is supposed to be on the same level as Thor. Steel is above that level.
Lol. You're funny. When he stopped holding back, he physically forced Anti-Man out of the planet then atomized him.

And what happened after Namora tried that? Absolutely nothing. He then burnt her to a crisp. It's just like you to leave out very important detail... Lol.

He fought Pagan off-panel (only one panel was shown).

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Lol. You're funny. When he stopped holding back, he physically forced Anti-Man out of the planet then atomized him.

And what happened after Namora tried that? Absolutely nothing. He then burnt her to a crisp. It's just like you to leave out very important detail... Lol.

He fought Pagan off-panel (only one panel was shown).
He did? I thought he used his powers over anti matter to disperse him.

The point is, Hyperion wasn't that strong. You think she could do that to someone like Thor? Heck, she fought 616 Namor and it was a stalemate.

So we don't know how it went down? Via energy, Monica knocked pagan out.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He did? I thought he used his powers over anti matter to disperse him.

The point is, Hyperion wasn't that strong. You think she could do that to someone like Thor? Heck, she fought 616 Namor and it was a stalemate.

So we don't know how it went down? Via energy, Monica knocked pagan out.


Blue Marvel used a small piece of metal, and damaged the Moon with it. Yet you want to bring up low showings? I didn't even know that he has low showings, and yet you found a way to turn something into one. Thor is not Adam, why bring him into this? Just like Magog is not Adam. King Hyperion Broke Cain's kneecap when they tussled, and that was when Cain was tossing around monsters the size of a Cat 5 Pacific Rim monster. Hardly a poor showing for King Hype. Pagan was defeated by Blue Marvel, and he was pushing Thor back, and Thor was backed by a pretty impressive Avengers team like Celey pointed out. Monica is very powerful.

That wasn't the same Hyperion that fought Blue Marvel. Hell...was it even King Hyperion that fought Juggernaut? That Hyperion after facing Juggernaut was locked away forever basically. Blue Marvel fought the real King Hype and did good.

Originally posted by carver9
By the way...what wins does CS have against anyone? Has he defeated (key word, defeat) anyone worth mentioning?

He busted up True Gog's legs.

As KC Supes and the JSA were helpless.

Originally posted by cdtm
He busted up True Gog's legs.

As KC Supes and the JSA were helpless.

Not enough. Beta Ray Bill ripped a hole through Galactus armor and defeated a being who's presence was reshaping the Universe. That doesn't mean he is pulling a high majority against...He'l.

Originally posted by carver9
Not enough. Beta Ray Bill ripped a hole through Galactus armor and defeated a being who's presence was reshaping the Universe. That doesn't mean he is pulling a high majority against...He'l.

BRB will fudge H'el up. No contest.

Originally posted by carver9
That wasn't the same Hyperion that fought Blue Marvel. Hell...was it even King Hyperion that fought Juggernaut? That Hyperion after facing Juggernaut was locked away forever basically. Blue Marvel fought the real King Hype and did good.

The Hyperion that Blue Marvel fought was the same Hyperion Juggernaut fought. He was recruited by the Thunderbolts as he was locked away in prison and joined the team

Originally posted by -K-M-
The Hyperion that Blue Marvel fought was the same Hyperion Juggernaut fought. He was recruited by the Thunderbolts as he was locked away in prison and joined the team

Thanks. Didn't know that.

Originally posted by carver9
Not enough. Beta Ray Bill ripped a hole through Galactus armor and defeated a being who's presence was reshaping the Universe. That doesn't mean he is pulling a high majority against...He'l. CS downed Gog with a scant two hits:
http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/18768854_4435561.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/18768855_8555106.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/18768858_8083581.jpg


In the same issue Gog tanked this:
http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/18768853_7738859.jpg


The impressiveness of that feat cannot be overstated.

@Galan...

Never said that it wasn't impressive, it just isn't enough.

I miss Starman :-(

Originally posted by Galan007
CS downed Gog with a scant two hits:
http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/18768854_4435561.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/18768855_8555106.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/18768858_8083581.jpg


In the same issue Gog tanked this:
http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/18768853_7738859.jpg


The impressiveness of that feat cannot be overstated.

Kingdom Come Superman who was above Superman (Pre 52) couldn't do that. I think that really is enough unless people think Marvel could take Superman (pre 52) too?

Adam from Namor's comments appears to be on the level of Thor and Hulk in strength, but still in Namor's level

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/56069/1611602-namor0015nq7.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
CS downed Gog with a scant two hits:
http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/18768854_4435561.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/18768855_8555106.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/18768858_8083581.jpg


In the same issue Gog tanked this:
http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/18768853_7738859.jpg


The impressiveness of that feat cannot be overstated.

Is there any reason to believe that Adam would be unable to topple Gog?

They looked to be subduing Gog in the second scan, so unless there is a scene with someone else being unable to affect Gog with punches, I'm not really seeing much.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Kingdom Come Superman who was above Superman (Pre 52) couldn't do that. I think that really is enough unless people think Marvel could take Superman (pre 52) too?

Adam from Namor's comments appears to be on the level of Thor and Hulk in strength, but still in Namor's level

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/56069/1611602-namor0015nq7.jpg

This is from Namor's perspective. there is no proof to believe what he says, or not to believe it. All we have is a guy capable of damaging the Moon with a small piece of metal. This seems to place him well above Namor in terms of level unless you would place the Sentry on Namor's level as well? Is this what you meant by level? So is CS greater than Superman? If so what would you base this opinion off of?

With a small piece of metal he nearly cracked the moon in half while holding back.

Originally posted by Stoic
This is from Namor's perspective. there is no proof to believe what he says, or not to believe it. All we have is a guy capable of damaging the Moon with a small piece of metal. This seems to place him well above Namor in terms of level.less you would place the Sentry ion Namor's level as well? Is this what you meant by level? So is CS greater than Superman? If so what would you base this opinion off of?

Namor perspective which Marvel agreed and said it was a lucky shot.

Actually Namor has gotten the better/stalemated Sentry before (so has Hercules) if you wish to go that route and no not a joke.

Originally posted by Stoic
Is there any reason to believe that Adam would be unable to topple Gog?

They looked to be subduing Gog in the second scan, so unless there is a scene with someone else being unable to affect Gog with punches, I'm not really seeing much. I suggest reading the comic, then(JSA #22.) A very powerful JSA roster consisting of Alan, Obsidian, KC Superman(who is >> mainstream Superman), Power Girl, Thunderbolt, etc. were completely unable to topple Gog. Then CS waltzes over, doffs his armor, and proceeds to topple Gog with two strikes.

Don't try to downplay that feat. It's actually quite amazing.

Originally posted by Galan007
I suggest reading the comic, then(JSA #22.) A very powerful JSA roster consisting of Alan, Obsidian, KC Superman(who is >> mainstream Superman), Power Girl, Thunderbolt, etc. were completely unable to topple Gog. Then CS waltzes over, doffs his armor, and proceeds to topple Gog with two strikes.

Don't try to downplay that feat. It's actually quite amazing.

Originally posted by Galan007
I suggest reading the comic, then(JSA #22.) A very powerful JSA roster consisting of Alan, Obsidian, KC Superman(who is >> mainstream Superman), Power Girl, Thunderbolt, etc. were completely unable to topple Gog. Then CS waltzes over, doffs his armor, and proceeds to topple Gog with two strikes.

Don't try to downplay that feat. It's actually quite amazing.

I didn't ask you all of that. nor am I trying to downplay the feat. CS did it, so does that make it impossible for Adam to replicate the feat? Would Gog not have gotten back up if his team didn't rush in with the gravity shackles? I'm asking you questions, not trying to make you go on the defensive. You placed Namor on a level that he has no business being on. So who is actually doing the downplaying here? Answer the questions or not, it depends on you, but they are valid, and in order to move on, need to be answered. if not, why did you chime in?

Originally posted by Stoic
I didn't ask you all of that. nor am I trying to downplay the feat. CS did it, so does that make it impossible for Adam to replicate the feat? Would Gog not have gotten back up if his team didn't rush in with the gravity shackles? I'm asking you questions, not trying to make you go on the defensive. You placed Namor on a level that he has no business being on. So who is actually doing the downplaying here? Answer the questions or not, it depends on you, but they are valid, and in order to move on, need to be answered. if not, why did you chime in?

Simple answer...do you consider Blue Marvel above the JSA roster which consisted of Alan, Obsidian, KC Superman (who is >> mainstream Superman), Power Girl, Thunderbolt, etc? As the team couldn't do what Steel did.

If not, then there is your answer if Adam could do it or not.

You're essentially asking me if I think Adam is capable of preforming a feat that Alan Scott+KC Superman+Thunderbolt+Power Girl(among others) were incapable of...

The answer to that question is a firm no.




Mungi beat me to it.

Spoon!

Originally posted by Galan007
You're essentially asking me if I think Adam is capable of preforming a feat that Alan Scott+KC Superman+Thunderbolt+Power Girl(among others) were incapable of...

The answer to that question is a firm no.




Mungi beat me to it.

Then this is what you should have said to begin with. Instead.... actually drop the instead, and let's move forward.

KC Superman you say is the mainstream Superman. Who is Kal? you know the younger one? If CS can generate far more power in a punch without his restraints, then you are probably correct. but one huge feat does not cancel out the several that Adam has on his report card. Who else has he taken down? Has anyone ever given him trouble? This is in my opinion would give a clearer picture than one amazing showing. Most characters as i am sure you will agree have amazing showings. Is there anything else is what i am asking.

CS was taken down by Mammoth from HIVE.

This is the "moon splitting feat" for Marvel. Sure didn't cause much damage

1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AdamBlueMarvel-013_zps4dded4ec.jpg
2. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AdamBlueMarvel-014_zpsdc2f0485.jpg

People need to realize he PUNCHED the moon, he didn't throw the medal through the moon. Basic stuff folks. He even returns years later to get the medal back which is still on the surface. Hell he is shown HOLDING the medal after he punches the moon just a few panels later

Originally posted by -K-M-
This is the "moon splitting feat" for Marvel. Sure didn't cause much damage

1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AdamBlueMarvel-013_zps4dded4ec.jpg
2. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AdamBlueMarvel-014_zpsdc2f0485.jpg

People need to realize he PUNCHED the moon, he didn't throw the medal through the moon. Basic stuff folks

How many things would you say make sense in comics? Let's not go there please. if so we can begin with why Tony's head isn't pulled off by G forces every time he takes to the skies. Dig it?

So you take Marvel at his word when he was being polite and agreeing with Namor about his punch, but ignore Uatu The Watcher saying he could have split the moon in half?

Originally posted by KingD19
CS was taken down by Mammoth from HIVE.

Please say it isn't so.

Originally posted by KingD19
So you take Marvel at his word when he was being polite and agreeing with Namor about his punch, but ignore Uatu The Watcher saying he could have split the moon in half?

Those are the tricks of the trade brother.

Wow he didn't throw the medal through the moon, he is shown a few panels later still HOLDING the medal (of bravery) and then he tosses it to the ground gently and flys away. Years later he returns and finds the medal exactly where he threw it.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AdamBlueMarvel-015_zpsee6b0978.jpg

Originally posted by KingD19
So you take Marvel at his word when he was being polite and agreeing with Namor about his punch, but ignore Uatu The Watcher saying he could have split the moon in half?

Nope, but you said he did it with a piece of metal...which never happened. Now using stoic's logic...if Namor was put in that place could he replicate the feat?

Shall we pick and choose which statements we wish to follow? If we go from the same story Namor could as well as mentioned was on his level.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Wow he didn't throw the medal through the moon, he is shown a few panels later still HOLDING the medal (of bravery) and then he tosses it to the ground gently and flys away. Years later he returns and finds the medal exactly where he threw it.

So Uatu was talking out of his butt then. Got it. Actually KingD19 should be answering this one. So what do you have KD?

Do I think Namor is capable of nearly splitting the moon in half? No.

I don't think Namor could pull off most of the feats Adam has in book one. Like easily stopping a meteor the size of Arkansas. Single handedly decimating an alien fleet, or picking up a ship weighting in at 93,000 tons.

Namor isn't on his level. Fighting someone doesn't make you on their level. Thing used to fight Hulk all the time, would you say Thing is on Hulk's level? And considering Hulk and Thor are 2 of the biggest big bads on Marvel period, that's saying something that only those 2 have hit him as hard.

@Stoic, regardless of whether he threw the medal, punched the moon, or farted. He still could have split the moon in half. Uatu's not one to lie or talk shit.

Originally posted by Stoic
So Uatu was talking out of his butt then. Got it. Actually KingD19 should be answering this one. So what do you have KD?

Wow way to miss the point, I never said that

Originally posted by KingD19
Do I think Namor is capable of nearly splitting the moon in half? No.

I don't think Namor could pull off most of the feats Adam has in book one. Like easily stopping a meteor the size of Arkansas. Single handedly decimating an alien fleet, or picking up a ship weighting in at 93,000 tons.

Except if we go by quotes, which you all wish to do. Namor IS on that level as said in the same story. Can't pick and choose.

Originally posted by tkitna
Blue Marvel in both.

It was never said Namor was on that level. They fought in the past, and Namor said only Thor and Hulk have ever hit him as hard as Marvel. And Adam playfully brushed it off as a lucky punch.

Marvel's creator said he was on the level of guys like Thor, Hulk and Sentry. Do you truly believe Namor is in that weight class?

Originally posted by Galan007
In the same issue Gog tanked this:
http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/18768853_7738859.jpg


The impressiveness of that feat cannot be overstated. don't get me wrong: i'm not low-balling here but technically gog can't really fall over from those three beams hitting him caise the chains are being pulled opposite from where he "would" fall.

you can get me wrong here, though: steel's punches are stronger most likely than stargirl, obsidien, jakeem thunder and lightning's beams there, at least force wise

Originally posted by KingD19
It was never said Namor was on that level. They fought in the past, and Namor said only Thor and Hulk have ever hit him as hard as Marvel. And Adam playfully brushed it off as a lucky punch.

Marvel's creator said he was on the level of guys like Thor, Hulk and Sentry. Do you truly believe Namor is in that weight class?

Except even Marvel gave him mutual respect, and even agreed Marvel hit him with a lucky punch. Meaning he was lucky when they fought...that means they were close. Simple stuff.

Considering as mentioned Namor has stalemated Sentry before and beat Hulk.....apparently so. Shall we ignore the years of references which has listed Namor as Hulk's near equal in strength? Are you even familiar with Namor?

Originally posted by -K-M-
Except if we go by quotes, which you all wish to do. Namor IS on that level as said in the same story. Can't pick and choose.

Is Mammoth on CS's level? Namor is most certainly not on Adam's level. You can take that scan for face value if you so choose, but until Namor is seen swatting Sentry away, and taking on a team of Avengers of that level, it's just another hyperbole statement. They are not equals. The guys that Adam beat would flat out destroy Namor.

Also the Hulk subdued Namor with one hand. The Hulk that Namor fought with all of those years ago was a far weaker Hulk than the one of today. Mindless Hulk nearly squeezed the piss out of him as well. This does not convince me of them being on the same level, or close. Thor one shot KO'd Namor as well.

So how about that Mammoth situation?

Whatever team of bad guys they were fighting found out the JSA's weaknesses, like how Judomaster can't be touched in a fight, unless you use AoE attacks like grenades or a guy with a giant snake for a lower body.

I just know Mammoth wrecked him.

CS has one good feat so naturally he wins.

Originally posted by Stoic
Is Mammoth on CS's level? Namor is most certainly not on Adam's level. You can take that scan for face value if you so choose, but until Namor is seen swatting Sentry away, and taking on a team of Avengers of that level, it's just another hyperbole statement. They are not equals. The guys that Adam beat would flat out destroy Namor.

So how about that Mammoth situation?

He had his full armor on when he fought Mammoth, which restricts his strength by a large margin.

Except as noted in the story he WAS. Yet you will take Utau's comment as face value? Hmmmm....

Ummm he has stalemated Sentry before as mentioned several times.

Yet he tanked a hit from Gog with his armor on.

Originally posted by KingD19
Yet he tanked a hit from Gog with his armor on.

I know right? pretty impressive but you wish to just go by his low showing which he was even restricted in regardless.... all the power to ya.

Originally posted by -K-M-
He had his full armor on when he fought Mammoth, which restricts his strength by a large margin.

Except as noted in the story he WAS. Yet you will take Utau's comment as face value? Hmmmm....

Ummm he has stalemated Sentry before as mentioned several times.

Are you saying that Namor stalemated Sentry? The way that I saw it, Namor was being pushed all over the city. Namor would not be able to humble Terrax the way that Bob did, or, take on WW Hulk. Namor had to adjust to the idea that he was secondary to Hercules. This does not place him in the big boys league from my perspective, but at a level below theirs. Kind of like Simon, except a bit weaker.

You want to go by only his high showing.

The point I was making is the armor restricts his strength, but shouldn't have any bearing on his durability if he can tank a punch from Gog with no problems, yet turn around and Mammoth beats him down.

Namor fought with Sentry. He didn't stalemate him. Sentry was basically having his way until he left.

Originally posted by KingD19
Yet he tanked a hit from Gog with his armor on.

Inconsistencies never lead to a great outcome.

Originally posted by Stoic
Are you saying that Namor stalemated Sentry? The way that I saw it, Namor was being pushed all over the city. Namor would not be able to humble Terrax the way that Bob did, or, take on WW Hulk. Namor whad to adjust to the idea that he was secondary to Hercules. This does not place him in the big boys league from my perspective, but at a level below theirs. Kind of like Simon, except a bit weaker.

Correct and he did and was none the worse for wear. They went shot for shot and it was Sentry that flew away when Namor was still ready to go (had no damage either)

Apples and oranges. Sentry prior to Siege/Dark Avengers had many many many low showings such as Hercules embarrassing him.

Originally posted by KingD19
You want to go by only his high showing.

The point I was making is the armor restricts his strength, but shouldn't have any bearing on his durability if he can tank a punch from Gog with no problems, yet turn around and Mammoth beats him down.

Namor fought with Sentry. He didn't stalemate him. Sentry was basically having his way until he left.

I don't and never said that. I have been providing context on many issues (and scans). However, it all started claiming one quote and ignoring another and you saying he "cracked the moon" in half with a piece of metal...never happened.

Inconsistencies, as prior to that no one damaged Steel or even hurt him. It was an outlier, not the norm.

Not really, he was taking his shots even flew through buildings and Namor didn't have a scratch and was still ready to go.

Marvel still nearly split the moon in half. That's not up for debate. I misinterpreted the scene, but the outcome is the same. Uatu telling him he could have split the moon. He has tons of other feats as well for his limited time on panel and hasn't really had a low showing either. So I'm much more comfortable debating with him at those levels than CS since he has such a glaring low feat with not that many high ones.

And prior to that, Steel didn't even show up much or fight anybody worth mentioning. He knocked over God Gog, took a punch from Gog, got beat up by Mammoth. What all else has he done?

And the same Namor that fought with Sentry, went on to get schooled by Thing underwater. What does that say?

Originally posted by -K-M-

Ummm he has stalemated Sentry before as mentioned several times.

You keep bringing this up. Do you feel Namor is on par with the Sentry? He stalemated him in the poorly written Avengers/Invaders (if that's where your going with this) and lived to fight another day when they met again (although he never mounted any offensive attack at all). The legit stalemate in the Avengers/Invaders had Namor fighting the Sentry, Ares, and Wonder Man at the same time with none of them trying to hurt or kill Namor (maybe Ares), and then their other encounter had the Sentry being called away before he really hurt Namor. There's your difference.

Sentry killed Attuma in a mere second. Attuma, the guy that's given Namor fits for years. Sentry also destroyed Atlantis by himself. He's obviously on another level and it shouldn't be hard to see that. Not sure why your grasping.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Correct and he did and was none the worse for wear. They went shot for shot and it was Sentry that flew away when Namor was still ready to go (had no damage either)

Apples and oranges. Sentry prior to Siege/Dark Avengers had many many many low showings such as Hercules embarrassing him.

He admitted to Herc that he was holding back.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Correct and he did and was none the worse for wear. They went shot for shot and it was Sentry that flew away when Namor was still ready to go (had no damage either)

Apples and oranges. Sentry prior to Siege/Dark Avengers had many many many low showings such as Hercules embarrassing him.

Wow. you didn't just go there. Hercules didn't beat Bob in any traditional way. Namor was not his equal, and Bob left because of his orders. It's obvious that he was over matched. No where in the history of comics has Namor been considered a true class 100 in the hand books, and that includes him being soaking wet. Adam on the other hand is well within this elite class. Namor is on the Things level, as he always has been. The Hulk has no level. He was able to take a hit from a creature capable of hitting with the force of over 130 Hercs. This is something that would tear Namor apart. This means nothing to the thread of course, and i really don't want to pursue this.

CS may be able to take Adam based on the scans that were provided, but on the other side, I wouldn't be surprised if he couldn't. I didn't know much about CS because i wasn't able to get the JSA comics that he did all of those amazing things. IMO Adam has the better feats in terms of consistency, but this could just mean that CS simply never got the spotlight due to being overshadowed by Big Blue.

Originally posted by KingD19
Marvel still nearly split the moon in half. That's not up for debate. I misinterpreted the scene, but the outcome is the same. Uatu telling him he could have split the moon. He has tons of other feats as well for his limited time on panel and hasn't really had a low showing either. So I'm much more comfortable debating with him at those levels than CS since he has such a glaring low feat with not that many high ones.

And prior to that, Steel didn't even show up much or fight anybody worth mentioning. He knocked over God Gog, took a punch from Gog, got beat up by Mammoth. What all else has he done?

And the same Namor that fought with Sentry, went on to get schooled by Thing underwater. What does that say?

Which is all fine and dandy, but from the same story it showed he was the same level as Thor, Hulk AND NAMOR. That's not up for debate either.

Yep, galan made an entire respect thread for him.

haha love the low showings I see. You do realise Namor has beat Thing more times then that one fight right? Nor was Namor even ko'ed in that right. He also has beat Wonder Man, Iron Man, Hulk and other class 100 threats. Hilarious what your trying to do now.

The Hulk

Fight number One. Namor looks superior but it's more posturing than anything else really. Avengers #3
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Avengers003a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Avengers003b.jpg

Fight Two. Hulk is under the control of the Puppet Master. Namor KO's him eventually via whirlpool. TTA #100
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/TalesToAstonish100a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/TalesToAstonish100b.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/TalesToAstonish100c.jpg
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http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/TalesToAstonish100o.jpg

Round 3. For this fight Hulk has been given a drug that allows him to function underwater like an Atlantean. Namor wins by decisive KO. IH #118
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Hulk118a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Hulk118b.jpg
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http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Hulk118l.jpg

Round 4. This time it's on land. This one doesn't go to a conclusion, but the two look pretty even. Defenders #52
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Defenders052a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Defenders052b.jpg
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*Source: http://herochat.com/forum/index.php?topic=211949.msg3503177#msg3503177

Originally posted by tkitna
You keep bringing this up. Do you feel Namor is on par with the Sentry? He stalemated him in the poorly written Avengers/Invaders (if that's where your going with this) and lived to fight another day when they met again (although he never mounted any offensive attack at all). The legit stalemate in the Avengers/Invaders had Namor fighting the Sentry, Ares, and Wonder Man at the same time with none of them trying to hurt or kill Namor (maybe Ares), and then their other encounter had the Sentry being called away before he really hurt Namor. There's your difference.

Sentry killed Attuma in a mere second. Attuma, the guy that's given Namor fits for years. Sentry also destroyed Atlantis by himself. He's obviously on another level and it shouldn't be hard to see that. Not sure why your grasping.

Again he did it, damn I was just about to reference Avengers/Invaders but was waiting for more people to complain about the fight and then say....they fought again and it was a weaker Namor.

Sure and that was a good feat, Attuma also has been steamrolled by Namor too. Especially later in his career as most villians do after their original introduction.

Now do I think he can match Sentry at his upper limits? Nope. Neither do I think Blue could either. Nor did he fight Blue at those levels either.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Which is all fine and dandy, but from the same story it showed he was the same level as Thor, Hulk AND NAMOR. That's not up for debate either.

Yep, galan made an entire respect thread for him.

haha love the low showings I see. You do realise Namor has beat Thing more times then that one fight right? Nor was Namor even ko'ed in that right. He also has beat Wonder Man, Iron Man, Hulk and other class 100 threats. Hilarious what your trying to do now.

The Hulk

Fight number One. Namor looks superior but it's more posturing than anything else really. Avengers #3
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Avengers003a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Avengers003b.jpg

Fight Two. Hulk is under the control of the Puppet Master. Namor KO's him eventually via whirlpool. TTA #100
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/TalesToAstonish100a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/TalesToAstonish100b.jpg
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http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/TalesToAstonish100d.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/TalesToAstonish100e.jpg
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http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/TalesToAstonish100o.jpg

Round 3. For this fight Hulk has been given a drug that allows him to function underwater like an Atlantean. Namor wins by decisive KO. IH #118
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Hulk118a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Hulk118b.jpg
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http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Hulk118l.jpg

Round 4. This time it's on land. This one doesn't go to a conclusion, but the two look pretty even. Defenders #52
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Defenders052a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Defenders052b.jpg
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*Source: http://herochat.com/forum/index.php?topic=211949.msg3503177#msg3503177


That's old shit brother, the Hulk was in an immature body in those days as peter David wrote it up. He is far more powerful these days. Just a few years ago, he tried his little b1tch fit on the Hulk, and the Hulk calmly restrained him. Guys like Gladiator, Thor, Sentry, Hercules, Silver Surfer, Hyperion, and Yes Blue Marvel would beat him down if they were as serious as he gets in his fights.

Namor is in the Things strength class. this does not mean that Ben can fight better than he can. Shit even Skaar can lift more than Namor. He's a little boy (Love Skaar by the way so i had to bring him into this LOLLLLL).

Originally posted by Stoic
Wow. you didn't just go there. Hercules didn't beat Bob in any traditional way. Namor was not his equal, and Bob left because of his orders. It's obvious that he was over matched. No where in the history of comics has Namor been considered a true class 100 in the hand books, and that includes him being soaking wet. Adam on the other hand is well within this elite class. Namor is on the Things level, as he always has been. The Hulk has no level. He was able to take a hit from a creature capable of hitting with the force of over 130 Hercs. This is something that would tear Namor apart. This means nothing to the thread of course, and i really don't want to pursue this.

CS may be able to take Adam based on the scans that were provided, but on the other side, I wouldn't be surprised if he couldn't. I didn't know much about CS because i wasn't able to get the JSA comics that he did all of those amazing things. IMO Adam has the better feats in terms of consistency, but this could just mean that CS simply never got the spotlight due to being overshadowed by Big Blue.

*facepalm* I seriously stopped reading after that comment. He isn't class 100 in the handbooks? bwahaha.....he is

Originally posted by Stoic
That's old shit brother, the Hulk was in an immature body in those days as peter David wrote it up. He is far more powerful these days. Just a few years ago, he tried his little b1tch fit on the Hulk, and the Hulk calmly restrained him. Guys like Gladiator, Thor, Sentry, Hercules, Silver Surfer, Hyperion, and Yes Blue Marvel would beat him down if they were as serious as he gets in his fights.

Namor is in the Things strength class. this does not mean that Ben can fight better than he can. Shit even Skaar can lift more than Namor. He's a little boy (Love Skaar by the way so i had to bring him into this LOLLLLL).

Sweet so now we ignore showings? Also he has fought and beat many of the people you mentioned

Yep...you're clearly trolling now. Even recently he lifted Asteroid M.

http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,211949.msg3439647.html#msg3439647

Originally posted by -K-M-
Again he did it, damn I was just about to reference Avengers/Invaders but was waiting for more people to complain about the fight and then say....they fought again and it was a weaker Namor.

Sure and that was a good feat, Attuma also has been steamrolled by Namor too. Especially later in his career as most villians do after their original introduction.

Now do I think he can match Sentry at his upper limits? Nope. Neither do I think Blue could either. Nor did he fight Blue at those levels either.


LOL Aren't you a sly one. Appeasing to Tkitna by bigging up his boy Bob. that's a damn shame.

Sentry was clocked by Adam, and nothing can take that moment away. Namor would so get his ass whipped by the team of Avengers, that Adam was giving hell, while trying to explain himself to them, which was him holding back tremendously. Face it Namor is not on the level. He never was. Unless Apoc hijacks his genes, he never will be.

Namor admits he can't take on the Hulk.

http://s287.photobucket.com/user/kingaholu/media/Hulk%20feats/NamorbelievesHulkisunstoppableinthisstate.jpg.html

This is the same Hulk Sentry did well against.

Originally posted by Stoic
LOL Aren't you a sly one. Appeasing to Tkitna by bigging up his boy Bob. that's a damn shame.

Sentry was clocked by Adam, and nothing can take that moment away. Namor would so get his ass whipped by the team of Avengers, that Adam was giving hell, while trying to explain himself to them, which was him holding back tremendously. Face it Namor is not on the level. He never was. Unless Apoc hijacks his genes, he never will be.

Sure was, but Sentry during that time was having low showings. Nor was Sentry even close at his max. Awesome he hit Sentry, it's a good showing. However, Namor fought Sentry twice....and wasn't getting worked as you claimed he would

My you really don't grasp the point do you? Do I think he is Sentry's match? Nope, not high levels. Neither do I think Blue could either. However, in the same story it was mentioned Blue is on the same level as Thor, Hulk AND NAMOR. The entire point was you can't take one comment and take it face value and ignore the other.

Originally posted by carver9
Namor admits he can't take on the Hulk.

http://s287.photobucket.com/user/kingaholu/media/Hulk%20feats/NamorbelievesHulkisunstoppableinthisstate.jpg.html

This is the same Hulk Sentry did well against.

World War Hulk

Did well and lost, but you also are ignoring the fact Sentry's power automatically calm weaken Hulk

Originally posted by -K-M-
Sweet so now we ignore showings? Also he has fought and beat many of the people you mentioned

Yep...you're clearly trolling now. Even recently he lifted Asteroid M.

http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,211949.msg3439647.html#msg3439647

He was also subdued by the Hulk with one hand. i'm not trolling, I'm in disagreement with your gauges in terms of power and class.As are several other people it seems. It's fine to be wrong, which when it comes to Namor you clearly are. And who in that list has namor defeated? keeping in mind that The Hulk was written up as being a juvenile back in the day when he lost to Namor in Namor's element. I'm not saying that namor isn't strong, I'm saying that he isn't Thor, or Blue Marvel strong.

Savage Hulk overpowers Namor with one hand.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk is Hulk...is this the ft you are talking about with Hulk overpowering Namor with one hand?

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/snapshot2_zps17c7517f.jpg.html
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/snapshot_zpsc960e193.jpg.html

Then Nul was stated by Hulk as being his equal and it took all of the Defenders to challenge him and that's including Namor.

Originally posted by -K-M-
I know right? pretty impressive but you wish to just go by his low showing which he was even restricted in regardless.... all the power to ya.
Isn't he always in his suit?

Originally posted by Stoic
He was also subdued by the Hulk with one hand. i'm not trolling, I'm in disagreement with you gauges in terms of power and class.As are several other people it seems. It's fine to be wrong, which when it comes to Namor you clearly are. And who in that list has namor defeated? keeping in mind that The Hulk was written up as being a juvenile back in the day when he lost to Namor in Namor's element. I'm not saying that namor isn't strong, I'm saying that he isn't Thor, or Blue Marvel strong.

Ummmm yeah you're trolling you say he isn't class 100 (he is), you say he would get worked by Sentry (they fought twice and never happened), you say he isn't on the level of Hercules, Thor, Hulk, etc. (yet he has beat and stalemated them), you say old showings should be ignored, etc. Some pearls of wisdom here.

Here.....read this http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,211938.0.html

Originally posted by -K-M-
Again he did it, damn I was just about to reference Avengers/Invaders but was waiting for more people to complain about the fight and then say....they fought again and it was a weaker Namor.



Spiderman beat up Firelord on panel too, does that make it right? Seriously KM, I know where your going with it, but if somebody writes 1+1=5 on paper, I think most people realize that more often then not, that's not the right answer.

Originally posted by carver9
Savage Hulk overpowers Namor with one hand.

Then Nul was stated by Hulk as being his equal and it took all of the Defenders to challenge him and that's including Namor.

ummm...you do realize Namor wasn't even trying to get up. Surfer tells him to listen...and he does. Hulk even mentions they have something in common which causes Namor to listen

Originally posted by tkitna
Spiderman beat up Firelord on panel too, does that make it right? Seriously KM, I know where your going with it, but if somebody writes 1+1=5 on paper, I think most people realize most often then not, that's not the right answer.

Of course, but even in your example there was circumstances why SPider-Man even beat Firelord. He himself restricted his powers and that was even said in the issue.

If you know where Im going with it you can see why I'm using their logic against them.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Ummmm yeah you're trolling you say he isn't class 100 (he is), you say he would get worked by Sentry (they fought twice and never happened), you say he isn't on the level of Hercules, Thor, Hulk, etc. (yet he has beat and stalemated them), you say old showings should be ignored, etc. Some pearls of wisdom here.

Here.....read this http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,211938.0.html

You seem to throw that word out whenever someone disagrees with you, while on the other hand i believe that you are trolling me. You're wrong Namor has never been given the elite class 100 status in a comic except within these boards. Going by comics he is a class 75.

What did you lead me into? Another unofficial fan induced appraisal of Namor's level? Listen we are way off the mark here. none of this has anything to do with the thread. you don't want to come off being wrong, but you are, Now you can deal with that, or not,

Originally posted by -K-M-
Of course, but even in your example there was circumstances why SPider-Man even beat Firelord. He himself restricted his powers and that was even said in the issue.

If you know where Im going with it you can see why I'm using their logic against them.

Hey, its all good. I don't get too worked up about it anymore. I still think Adam wins, but I do admit that the one Gog feat is some strong ammo.

Peace

Originally posted by Stoic
You seem to throw that word out whenever someone disagrees with you, while on the other hand i believe that you are trolling me. You're wrong Namor has never been given the elite class 100 status in a comic except within these boards. Going by comics he is a class 75.

What did you lead me into? Another unofficial fan induced appraisal of Namor's level? Listen we are way off the mark here. none of this has anything to do with the thread. you don't want to come off being wrong, but you are, Now you can deal with that, or not,

Now he's class 75? bwahaha

With one shove, Namor sends a huge ship flying out of the sea where it beaches on some rocks. Marvel Comics #1
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/MarvelComics01a.jpg

Namor is described as one of the most powerful beings on Earth, and his might is compared to that of an atom bomb. TTA #78
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/TalesToAstonish078a.jpg

The force of Namor's battle with The Behemoth sets off seismographs in every laboratory on the planet, as it causes a more violent undersea disurbance than any ever recorded. TTA #80
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/TalesToAstonish080a.jpg

Lifts a ship out of the water. S-M #21
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/Sub-Mariner21a.jpg

Lifts a large section of an under-sea mountain that is dropped on his head. S-M #23
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/Sub-Mariner23z.jpg

Lifts and carries a submarine out of the sea and onto the rocks. S-M #25
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/Sub-Mariner25a.jpg

A massive ocean liner is about to cap-size. Namor pushes it back upright. S-M #52
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/Sub-Mariner52b.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/Sub-Mariner52c.jpg

Casually throwing a tank hard enough to obliterate a U-Boat in the water nearby. Invaders #32
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/Invaders32a.jpg

Lifting and carrying a partly water-logged submarine. Invaders #37
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/Invaders37a.jpg

Pushes a crippled freighter some distance into shore. Saga of the Sub-Mariner #3
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/Saga03a.jpg

Whilst pretty dehydrated (he had been out of the water for nearly 24 hours iirc), Namor uproots a HUGE tree. He claims it's roots must have spread to the core of the planet. Namor #22
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/NamorTheSub-Mariner22a.jpg

With no knowledge of who he was, and having not been in the ocean for weeks, Namor lifts and smashes a massive bulldozer machine. Namor #27
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/NamorTheSub-Mariner27a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/NamorTheSub-Mariner27b.jpg

Dr Doom describes Namor as "the world's most powerful mutant." Namor #31
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/NamorTheSub-Mariner31a.jpg

Namor physically stops Dr Doom's *HUGE* ship (described as a "floating city", rips the propellor off and then neary cap-sizes the boat with one punch. The boat was designed to sail through hurricanes and not feel a thing, so this is a great feat. The narration also suggests that Namor has never fully tested the limits of his strength. Namor #32
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/NamorTheSub-Mariner32a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/NamorTheSub-Mariner32b.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/NamorTheSub-Mariner32c.jpg

Namor strength feats continued...

Namor is miniaturised and trapped in a glass bottle via magical spell. Inside said bottle are thousands of tons of water and Doom's "floating city" ship (seen above). To escape, Namor strikes the ground hard enough to cause the bottle to shake and fall from it's holding, shattering. Long story short, he hit hard enough to shift several thousand tons. Namor #33
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/Namor033l.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/Namor033m.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/Namor033n.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/Namor033o.jpg

Throws a piece of debris hard enough to cut a giant monster clean in half. The monster's teeth were 6 metres long, so we are talking pretty close to Godzilla proportions here. Namor #34
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/NamorTheSub-Mariner34a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/NamorTheSub-Mariner34b.jpg

Lifts a massive chunk of rock. Namor #37
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Healing/NamorTheSub-Mariner37a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Healing/NamorTheSub-Mariner37b.jpg

Attuma throws a decent sized ship through the air. Namor catches it and lowers it down safely. Namor #45
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/NamorTheSub-Mariner45d.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/NamorTheSub-Mariner45e.jpg

Apparently lifted Hydro-Base off of the sea floor and re-floated it. Namor #46
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/NamorTheSub-Mariner46a.jpg

Throws a large SHIELD attack craft to distract Iron Man. Revolution #2
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/Revolution02c.jpg

Casually rips a Sentinel's arm off and then beats two to death with it. Revolution #3
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/Revolution03f.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/Revolution03g.jpg

Throws Ares' axe hard enough to lodge itself deep in Iron Man's armour. Avengers/Invaders #2
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/AvengersInvaders02g.jpg

Whilst trying to escape from an amped Magneto's power, Namor strikes the ground hard enough to shake an island. X-Men #6
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/X-Men06b.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/X-Men06c.jpg

Dr Strange claims that no single power can match that of Namor under the sea. Fantastic Four #27
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/FantasticFour027a.jpg

Not that there should be any doubt, but here Reed Richards states Thing is weaker than a wet Namor. Fantastic Four #103
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/FantasticFour103a.jpg

Accoring to the narration here, Namor had never really unleashed on Thing with his full might before. Fantastic Four #147
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/FantasticFour147a.jpg

Throws a tank so hard that it takes out a passenger jet flying over-head, and it's still rising. Iron Man #120
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/IronManv1120a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/IronManv1120b.jpg

Again, there shouldn't be much doubt about it but it's always nice to hear it from an official source... Stark admits Namor is stronger than Iron Man. Iron Man #120
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/IronManv1120c.jpg

Namor strength feats continued...

Namor destroys a large part of an under-sea mountain. Note that it is extremely likely he is weakened here; on the next page he tried to swim away but passed out due to the effects of the pollution in the water. Iron Man #121
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/IronManv1121a.jpg

Apparently wrestles Mjolnir out of Thor's grasp. Avengers #4
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/Avengers004a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/Avengers004b.jpg

Captain America calls Namor one of the strongest beings on the planet. Namor also no-sells Cap's best attacks. Avengers #117
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/Avengers117a.jpg

Lifts an Avengers Quinjet without much fuss. Avengers #265
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/Avengers265a.jpg

Punches Nova hella far. New Warriors #57
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/NewWarriors57a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/NewWarriors57b.jpg

Breaks the Crimson Bands of Cytorrak, a feat Dr Strange describes as impossible. Hulk has tried and failed before.... MT-U v2 #8
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/MarvelTeamUpv208a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/MarvelTeamUpv208b.jpg

Lifts, carries and throws a German Destroyer ship. Must have carried it quite far as the boat is shown earlier in the issue to be someway outside of Atlantis. Hulk Annual 1998
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/HulkAnnual1998a.jpg

Casually drags a large Asgardian ship to the surface with one hand. Thor v2 #14
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/Thorv2014a.jpg

Destroys a building with one punch. Defenders v3 #4
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/Defendersv304a.jpg

Throws a trident hard enough to shatter parts of Iron Man's armour. IIM #12
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/InvincibleIronMan012a.jpg

Okay, huge feat here. Catches, lifts and carries Mariana, a huuuuge monster. Dark Reign The List: X-Men #1
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/DarkReignTheLista.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/DarkReignTheListb.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/DarkReignTheListc.jpg

To put the above in perspective, here are some scas to give you an idea of Mariana's size and sheer power.
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Mariana1.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Mariana.jpg

Apparently lifts/supports the mutant island Utopia, formerly Magneto's Asteroid M. (Second picture gives an idea of size). Credit for these scans to Maestro on the Alvaros boards. X-Men vs Agents Of Atlas #2
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/xmenvsatlas02a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/xmenvsatlas02b.jpg

Yep...clearly in the comics he is listed as Class 75. Bwahaha....yeah. He's not even that in the handbooks which you referenced. Yes...clearly I'm the wrong one

Originally posted by tkitna
Hey, its all good. I don't get too worked up about it anymore. I still think Adam wins, but I do admit that the one Gog feat is some strong ammo.

Peace

That's fair.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Of course, but even in your example there was circumstances why SPider-Man even beat Firelord. He himself restricted his powers and that was even said in the issue.

If you know where Im going with it you can see why I'm using their logic against them.


Wow, and just when I thought that this couldn't become more of a pompous display self serving rubbish. You have quite the ego on you. My advise to you is to stop treating people as if you were above them. Place your feet firmly on the ground, and walk it off. The self imposed superior attitude that is.. Walk that off, it will do you some good.

Lie to yourself, but don't expect others to believe it. Your entire scam here is to attempt to bring Adam down to Namor's level, because there is no way in your mind that Namor would stand a chance against CS. This is where you believed that no one could see through the BS. Guess what?

Originally posted by Stoic
Wow, and just when I thought that this couldn't become more of a pompous display self serving rubbish. You have quite the ego on you. My advise to you is to stop treating people as if you were above them. Place your feet firmly on the ground, and walk it off. The self imposed superior attitude that is.. Walk that off, it will do you some good.

Lie to yourself, but don't expect others to believe it. Your entire scam here is to attempt to bring Adam down to Namor's level, because there is no way in your mind that Namor would stand a chance against CS. This is where you believed that no one could see through the BS. Guess what?

I'm not above anyone, nor have I said that. When you make comments like that people are going to laugh. You said I was wrong, you said Namor was class 75 in the comics. Don't make claims like that or it's going to be thrown back in your face. Simple as that

Right right right...keep claiming Namor is class 75 then. What BS? How many times do I have to go over this? The moon reference you made was incorrect...never did it with a piece of metal as YOU claimed. You also will take one claim that suits your argument and ignore the other that doesn't even though both are from the same story. In that story the writer had Thor, Hulk, Marvel and Namor as peers. That's picking and choosing. That's what I'm drawing attention too. Simple as that.

True class 100's do things like shatter planets, or hold them together while they threaten to detonate. They do things like push back the World Engine, and take on teams comprised of guys on the same level as Namor while at their best. All of the scans that you decide to post up will not show once that Namor is capable of doing any of that. There has been several citations of the Hulk being superior in strength to Namor. This is also something that shouldn't be ignored.

Namor even admits that he isn't as strong as Hercules, and Hercules isn't as strong as the Hulk. this was mentioned just before the Hulk went into the Dark Dimension, and blew peoples minds.

Originally posted by Stoic
True class 100's do things like shatter planets, or hold them together while they threaten to detonate. They do things like push back the World Engine, and take on teams comprised of guys on the same level as Namor while at their best. All of the scans that you decide to post up will not show once that Namor is capable of doing any of that. here has been several citations of the Hulk being superior in strength than Namor. This is also something that shouldn't be ignored.

Namor even admits that he isn't as strong as Hercules, and Hercules isn't as strong as the Hulk. this was mentioned just before the Hulk went into the Dark Dimension, and blew peoples minds.

Riiiiiight, earth bound heroes are known to shatter planets. You do realize Savage Hulk never did any of that until recently and he was always a class 100 character

Sure did, but even recently he stalemated Herc in his own book. He's even shown to be superior to Woman Man who is a legit class 100. You don't just look at one showing, you look at all their showings. Picking and choosing again as I said.

Using your logic again...Hercules is class 100, but when did he destroy a planet? Wonder Woman is class 100 when did she destroy a planet or hold one together? etc. etc. FYI Namor has even wrestled Thor's hammer from him.

You know what let's just end it at that. Feel free to have the last word, but this has gotten completely off-topic.

Well they may be Class 100's but they aren't in the Hulk's class of elite top tiers. Thor, Hyperion, Superman, Doomsday, Blue Marvel, Sentry, and many others are, but Namor is not, and that is what I am saying here. I said that the Hulk has matured since his earlier days, which was written. now i understand that Namor has risen up a taken a peak in the clouds, but he will never be on this level consistently. Sasquatch has lifted more than 100 tons as well, but he isn't in this class either. That's what I'm saying. how big is Asteroid M anyways? is it larger than a state? how many times has Namor done this? I recall him wrestling with far less. However like I said several posts ago, this has nothing to do with the thread, and more to do with a comparison of Namor and Adam. Why was he even brought up in this thread? if you believe that Namor is in the same strength class as thor, and the Hulk, more power to you. i fully disagree.

Originally posted by Stoic
Then this is what you should have said to begin with. Instead.... actually drop the instead, and let's move forward.

KC Superman you say is the mainstream Superman. Who is Kal? you know the younger one? If CS can generate far more power in a punch without his restraints, then you are probably correct. but one huge feat does not cancel out the several that Adam has on his report card. Who else has he taken down? Has anyone ever given him trouble? This is in my opinion would give a clearer picture than one amazing showing. Most characters as i am sure you will agree have amazing showings. Is there anything else is what i am asking. Well, there's also this:
http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/18769092_9076126.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/18769097_3687151.jpg

Same Gog was stomping the collective JSA(of which also included the likes of KC Supes+Alan+Obsidian+Starman+Power Girl+Jay, etc.)

Galan I thought you did a respect thread for Citizen Steel? Can't seem to find it.

Originally posted by Galan007
Well, there's also this:
http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/18769092_9076126.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/18769097_3687151.jpg

Same Gog was stomping the collective JSA(of which also included the likes of KC Supes+Alan+Obsidian+Starman+Power Girl+Jay, etc.)

Not to mention, "Herald of The Source" Infinity Man.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Galan I thought you did a respect thread for Citizen Steel? Can't seem to find it. Nah, I just added a few feats(most of which have already been posted here) to his existing respect thread--which was complete shit, btw.

Originally posted by cdtm
Not to mention, "Herald of The Source" Infinity Man. Yes, herald-Gog was powerful enough to hold his own against, and even get the better of, DotNG IM during their 2 page encounter.

I thought that DOTNG Infinity man retaining his high level was murky in terms of continuity? Not to mention, that Adam may have been able to put Magog down as well. If not I guess CS is greater than Superman, and any other Herald ever written because KC Superman was out-shined. Not sure I'm buying it based on the few showings he has. He needs consistency to be placed in that light. But that's how I see it.

Unfortunately that's it, he hasn't appeared in the new DC52 nor have I heard plans of him to.

The new Steel is Hank Heywood Jr. and closer to the original Steel (Commander Steel).

Why is "you could've broken that moon in half" is touted as something impressive? Even Supergirl has actually destroyed a moon.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/moonbust.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/moonbust2.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/moonbust3.jpg

Superman has actually split a moon in half.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/Superman-Lex2000a.jpg

KC Superman is above both.

supergirl > superman

(super(gender) was said too many times in this thread as it is)

Shots fired

Originally posted by psycho gundam
supergirl > superman

(super(gender) was said too many times in this thread as it is)
She-Hulk>>Hulk.

uhuh

Originally posted by Galan007
Well, there's also this:
http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/18769092_9076126.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/18769097_3687151.jpg

Same Gog was stomping the collective JSA(of which also included the likes of KC Supes+Alan+Obsidian+Starman+Power Girl+Jay, etc.)

Didn't Citizen Steel also throw down with one of the Gods of Parador in JSA All-Stars?

Originally posted by Galan007
Well, there's also this:
http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/18769092_9076126.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/18769097_3687151.jpg

Same Gog was stomping the collective JSA(of which also included the likes of KC Supes+Alan+Obsidian+Starman+Power Girl+Jay, etc.)

I could see Alan was in his KC armour - was he Sentinel at the time?

And go Starman, saving puppies!

Originally posted by abhilegend
He did? I thought he used his powers over anti matter to disperse him.

The point is, Hyperion wasn't that strong. You think she could do that to someone like Thor? Heck, she fought 616 Namor and it was a stalemate.

So we don't know how it went down? Via energy, Monica knocked pagan out.
Yes. Then he got atomized.

Come on man this is comics. Any top tier would love to have King Hyperion's resume. Lets not lowball him too much.

Monica can be beastly. I'm not surprised.
Originally posted by Galan007
CS downed Gog with a scant two hits:
http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/18768854_4435561.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/18768855_8555106.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/18768858_8083581.jpg


In the same issue Gog tanked this:
http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/18768853_7738859.jpg


The impressiveness of that feat cannot be overstated.
It was. No denying it.
Originally posted by Galan007
You're essentially asking me if I think Adam is capable of preforming a feat that Alan Scott+KC Superman+Thunderbolt+Power Girl(among others) were incapable of...

The answer to that question is a firm no.




Mungi beat me to it.
I don't believe that one bit. The writer never even had KC Superman lay one hand on him. Don't get me wrong it's a great feat, but it's like saying other top tier can never replicate that feat as well. And with BM's short yet incredibly impressive resume, I don't see why not. In the same fight we have Alan and Thunderbolt trying to separate his head, but were unable to do so. Then in one fell swoop a seemingly depowered Magog easily slices it off? Does that make Magog > Alan Scott? I don't believe so. I would take Scott any day over Magog.

Another way to look at it is CS toppled him towards the end of the fight. Like in many fights, hit your opponent long enough he will go down. The same can be said about Magog severing Gog's head. It was done towards the end.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Yes. Then he got atomized. Not a strength feat.

I can't respect a character who gets overpowered by Huggernaut and breaks his hand on his helmet.

She is a mid herald at best bro.

Originally posted by Galan007
Well, there's also this:
http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/18769092_9076126.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/18769097_3687151.jpg

Same Gog was stomping the collective JSA(of which also included the likes of KC Supes+Alan+Obsidian+Starman+Power Girl+Jay, etc.)
Dunno about that. I wouldn't call that fight him stomping the team. They were actually beating his @$$ down towards the end. He was all beat up and bloody. KC Superman, Power girl, heck even Hackman and Amazing Man were all able to knock him down too. HM drew first blood. I was impressed however with how he tanked that punch. Gotta give him that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not a strength feat.

I can't respect a character who gets overpowered by Huggernaut and breaks his hand on his helmet.

She is a mid herald at best bro.
Who said it was?

Then why do your respect a character that got KO'd by a gas station explosion?

And? Monica can be beastly. She has done some really impressive stuff that makes what you said not surprising.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Who said it was?

Then why do your respect a character that got KO'd by a gas station explosion?

And? Monica can be beastly. She has done some really impressive stuff that makes what you said not surprising.
You were implying it was a strength feat.

I am talking about combat feats, you are using a low feat in general.

She was beaten by Wrecker in the same series bro.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You were implying it was a strength feat.

I am talking about combat feats, you are using a low feat in general.

She was beaten by Wrecker in the same series bro.
Does the word atomized to you sound like using physicality? What in the hell are you talking about?

Wow. You find every reason........

Talk about low....

Please reply with thought provoking responses or you will get back what you keep putting out. Catch my drift?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Dunno about that. I wouldn't call that fight him stomping the team. They were actually beating his @$$ down towards the end. He was all beat up and bloody. KC Superman, Power girl, heck even Hackman and Amazing Man were all able to knock him down too. HM drew first blood. I was impressed however with how he tanked that punch. Gotta give him that.

Hawk man's drawn blood from Batman

BM oneshotted Sentry without using Anti-matter. He should be able to do the same or something similar here. Especially if he uses anti-matter on his punches.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Does the word atomized to you sound like using physicality? What in the hell are you talking about?

Wow. You find every reason........

Talk about low....

Please reply with thought provoking responses or you will get back what you keep putting out. Catch my drift?
I was talking to your first post.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Lol. You're funny. When he stopped holding back, he physically forced Anti-Man out of the planet then atomized him.

And what happened after Namora tried that? Absolutely nothing. He then burnt her to a crisp. It's just like you to leave out very important detail... Lol.

He fought Pagan off-panel (only one panel was shown).

"Physically forced back."

What? KH has been totally underwhelming against every 616 character he has fought.

Yeah, I do. Pagan was slightly stronger than Thor. Beating him in an off panel fight isn't that good.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I was talking to your first post.



"Physically forced back."

What? KH has been totally underwhelming against every 616 character he has fought.

Yeah, I do. Pagan was slightly stronger than Thor. Beating him in an off panel fight isn't that good.
Can you just shhh for a sec and bask in the glory that is Superman. For once be a good little boy.
Originally posted by abhilegend
But when he arrives back on Earth, so does Doomsday. This time Superman finishes Doomsday off by ripping it in half.

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/18769696_7742588.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/18769697_4924774.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/18769698_374457.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/18769699_9946430.jpg
****ing insane showing.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Can you just shhh for a sec and bask in the glory that is Superman. For once be a good little boy.


As you command my lord. That was some showing, wasn't it?

Originally posted by abhilegend


As you command my lord. That was some showing, wasn't it?
It was nuts.

Can't believe it's already being lowballed. Cough.. Carver.. Cough..

Brutaal who?

Ok let me stop. We've derailed this thread long enough.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
It was nuts.

Can't believe it's already being lowballed. Cough.. Carver.. Cough..

Brutaal who?

Ok let me stop. We've derailed this thread long enough.
Yeah, you can always depend on Carver to lowball a feat.


Yeah, Doomsday breaks Diana's arms like twig at a weaker level, was called Superman level strength and then enough to kill him, regenerates from being burned to crisp, teleports, turns Superman's face into mush with a few punches, pushes him to the brink etc but in the eyes of good ol' carver, he's featless.

Gotta love that kind of dedication.

In a pure slugfest CS would win, and honestly it probably wouldn't even be that close.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hawk man's drawn blood from Batman

And less impressively, from Despero.

Hawkmans kind of prone to pis writing to a point.. He acts like some high end big shot against characters well above his weight class, and rarely gets beaten down for it. Even Black Adam in his own book only beat him after a page or two of back and forth fighting.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
In a pure slugfest CS would win, and honestly it probably wouldn't even be that close.
Please explain.

Sorry for my ignorance but can Citizen Steel fly?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Can you just shhh for a sec and bask in the glory that is Superman. For once be a good little boy.


Doomsday's no Ares...

Originally posted by deathslash
Sorry for my ignorance but can Citizen Steel fly?
Naw why?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Naw why? I'm just sort of wondering what's stopping Adam from punching CS into orbit.

Originally posted by deathslash
I'm just sort of wondering what's stopping Adam from punching CS into orbit.

Oh you know because people stronger then Marvel barely budged him. Now if he physically grabbed him and flew him to space you would have something. Not like steel will be twiddling his thumbs while this occurs.

And then people weaker than him knocked him all around.

Originally posted by KingD19
And then people weaker than him knocked him all around.

Mammoth the outlier, so even though he has MORE showings taking hits from stronger people we just go by that showing? Lovely. I do enjoy the logic in this thread

Originally posted by deathslash
I'm just sort of wondering what's stopping Adam from punching CS into orbit.
It's kinda his thing. You'd be hard presses to ever see a writer have him punched far off into orbit. He has however been punted up in the air by giant god things and has been knocked off his feat then down by PG in a sparring match.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Oh you know because people stronger then Marvel barely budged him. Now if he physically grabbed him and flew him to space you would have something. Not like steel will be twiddling his thumbs while this occurs.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Mammoth the outlier, so even though he has MORE showings taking hits from stronger people we just go by that showing? Lovely. I do enjoy the logic in this thread
Mammoth is not an outlier. If he was KO'd by a gas station explosion yeah sure... He also almost got beat to death by a random featless alien.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Mammoth is not an outlier. If he was KO'd by a gas station explosion yeah sure... He also almost got beat to death by a random featless alien.

Alien? Errrr? I honestly am not aware of this. When did this happen?

Originally posted by -K-M-
Alien? Errrr? I honestly am not aware of this. When did this happen?
JSA All Stars. Some mini space adventure they were having.

Know the issue #? Thanks

Hm, the only times I remember CS getting 'beaten' during All-Stars was by foes who also stomped the collective team... Been a while since I read that horrid series, though.

Yeah I only made it for a few issues and dropped it. I will read it (ie. download) and see for myself.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Know the issue #? Thanks
#13

http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/09_zps0362d98f.jpg

Wow that's pretty bad, I don't know the context but that looks bad. So we have two ridic high showings and now two ridic low showings.

Originally posted by Galan007
Hm, the only times I remember CS getting 'beaten' during All-Stars was by foes who also stomped the collective team... Been a while since I read that horrid series, though.
They actually didn't get stomped this time around. But yeah the series was lacking. Citizen Steel was actually what drew me to follow some JSA, but damn nothing was saving that book.

Strange showing given that in the very next issue, PG hit CS as hard as she could, and he was literally unscathed. /shrug

Man, that series blew.