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I guess not since they were named in the Episode II Visual Dictionary, but they were mentioned in some movie novelizations, so they might be canon?

They've been mention in regards to CW stuff on the official website and yeah, they're in the novelisations so they're canon.

Nope. Not any more. The novelizations are only canon "where they align with what is seen on screen in the 6 films and the Clone Wars animated movie." And the only CW stuff that is canon is the movie (and part of it's novel).

The entire CW is canon and the novelizations are canon so there canon

Nope. The CW series never mentions any of the forms and only the parts of the novelization taken from the movie are canon (the G-canon parts).

Originally posted by ares834
Nope. The CW series never mentions any of the forms and only the parts of the novelization taken from the movie are canon (the G-canon parts). Kit Fisto demonstrates his Shi Coo against grievous, I can see kenobi's soresu, ahsoka's Ataru, Dooku's makashi, etc

Originally posted by PTforthewin
Kit Fisto demonstrates his Shi Coo against grievous, I can see kenobi's soresu, ahsoka's Ataru, Dooku's makashi, etc

Nope. The forms are never mentioned (in canon material) and therefore never canonized. The closest it ever comes is when Luminara claims she recognizes Dooku's style when dueling Ventress.

Originally posted by ares834
Nope. The forms are never mentioned (in canon material) and therefore never canonized. The closest it ever comes is when Luminara claims she recognizes Dooku's style when dueling Ventress.

Lightsaber forms are retarded anyway.

Originally posted by The_Tempest


Lightsaber forms are retarded anyway. Lightsaber forms were bad-ass. I think you just hate everything about starwars cept for sidious's wank

I don't know. The basic concept of them seems to have been adopted by TCW. Dooku is clearly a one handed fencer, Kenobi is clearly a defensive fighter. Remember elements of the eu do get used in mainstream canon from time to time, hence the appearance of Quinlan Vos.

Originally posted by WildBantha88
Lightsaber forms were bad-ass. I think you just hate everything about starwars cept for sidious's wank

I like you. I predict a long, prosperous friendship between us.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I like you. I predict a long, prosperous friendship between us. Me too lets go do karate In the garage. But don't you dare touch my drum set okay?

I haven't seen American Beauty in years.

Originally posted by The_Tempest


Lightsaber forms are retarded anyway.

Aren't you the guy who pointed out the Starwars official website calling Sidious a master of all lightsaber forms? Shouldn't that make them canon?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Aren't you the guy who pointed out the Starwars official website calling Sidious a master of all lightsaber forms? Shouldn't that make them canon?

It wasn't the website.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I don't know. The basic concept of them seems to have been adopted by TCW. Dooku is clearly a one handed fencer, Kenobi is clearly a defensive fighter. Remember elements of the eu do get used in mainstream canon from time to time, hence the appearance of Quinlan Vos.

The forms were based on how the characters fought in the movies. So having the characters in TCW emulate how they fought in the movies mean it will appear that they are using the 7 forms.

Depends if TCW-specific Encyclopedias, Guidebooks, Episode Guides, etc. are canon(I don't see why they wouldn't be), because they definitely reference the forms of combat...

Dooku's entry in TCW Encyclopedia:
http://imgur.com/oHcnEvv

Fisto's entry in TCW Encyclopedia:
http://imgur.com/eOmIsyg

Mace's entry in TCW Encyclopedia:
http://imgur.com/WbEPQNc

Kenobi's entry in TCW Encyclopedia:
http://imgur.com/hSAyBZD

Yoda's entry in TCW Encyclopedia:
http://imgur.com/1GSzWQ5

A different TCW Guidebook referencing all the forms of combat:
http://imgur.com/KuRojE6
http://imgur.com/FDNtcRh

Various forms of lightsaber combat were also mentioned in the official TCW Episode Guide:
http://imgur.com/ZiJLJRk


More evidence can be provided if need be. Anywho, I think the forms of combat are still very much canon, tbh. srug

Originally posted by ares834
Nope. Not any more. The novelizations are only canon "where they align with what is seen on screen in the 6 films and the Clone Wars animated movie." So how/why does the forms of combat concept not align with what we see in the films..? You realize how subjective that is, right?

Originally posted by Galan007
So how/why does the forms of combat concept not align with what we see in the films..? You realize how subjective that is, right?

Because they aren't (mentioned) in the films... The only parts of the novelizations that are canon is the stuff from the film, basically the G-canon content.

It's more accurate now to say that "styles" exist. Personal, nameless, unofficial ways of using a saber, instead of detailed, official, strict manners of duel.

dayum, he a big boy.

Since when is Kit Fisto taller than Dooku?

Originally posted by Galan007
Depends if TCW-specific Encyclopedias, Guidebooks, Episode Guides, etc. are canon(I don't see why they wouldn't be), because they definitely reference the forms of combat...

Dooku's entry in TCW Encyclopedia:
http://imgur.com/oHcnEvv

Fisto's entry in TCW Encyclopedia:
http://imgur.com/eOmIsyg

Mace's entry in TCW Encyclopedia:
http://imgur.com/WbEPQNc

Kenobi's entry in TCW Encyclopedia:
http://imgur.com/hSAyBZD

Yoda's entry in TCW Encyclopedia:
http://imgur.com/1GSzWQ5

A different TCW Guidebook referencing all the forms of combat:
http://imgur.com/KuRojE6
http://imgur.com/FDNtcRh

Various forms of lightsaber combat were also mentioned in the official TCW Episode Guide:
http://imgur.com/ZiJLJRk


More evidence can be provided if need be. Anywho, I think the forms of combat are still very much canon, tbh. srug

So how/why does the forms of combat concept not align with what we see in the films..? You realize how subjective that is, right?


You have anything on TCW Maul's Saber style?

Originally posted by ares834
Because they aren't (mentioned) in the films... The only parts of the novelizations that are canon is the stuff from the film, basically the G-canon content. Yeah, I think you're sort of twisting the statement you quoted a bit. Unless there's more to it than you posted, it certainly doesn't say that a happening from the film-based novels needs to be explicitly referenced in the films for it to be canon--just that the events must "align"...

Originally posted by ares834
The novelizations are only canon "where they align with what is seen on screen in the 6 films and the Clone Wars animated movie."

To me, this simply means that any portion of the novels which do not directly contradict what was shown or stated in the films are canon, and any portion of the novels which do directly contradict what was shown or stated in the films are non-canon--and the 7 forms of combat certainly do not contradict the films, imho. Like I mentioned before: it's very subjective/ambiguous--you might think it doesn't 'align', and I might think it does 'align'. Whose opinion is correct? /shrug

There's also the Guidebook/Encyclopedia/Episode Guide entries I posted to consider... Just MO. /shrugx2

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
You have anything on TCW Maul's Saber style? Nope. No sources released thus far detail the specific form(s) he employed during TCW.

Yeah tbh being referenced that much in the ROTS novel and so much TCW material makes me think the forms probably are canon. Anyway watch out for future material as everything released from now on will be complete canon.

I certainly hope they aren't. The lightsaber forms as handled by the EU are incredibly stupid.

Also, Fisto definitely has a suave black guy thing going on. It's a good thing he's a Jedi, because he seems like type of dude who'd walk up to you and your woman in the club and end up taking her ass home. lol

Taking this as a prototype for some of the awkward areas we could run into with this new system:

I think this is the kind of area where people will probably need to accept the perception of things rather than looking for a definitive answer. It;s definitely a stretch to use material like encyclopaedias as canon-[ those things never were before and they are generally written by completely different people who pull facts from anywhere they like. This leaves the novels, which are a bit controversial in canon for the PT ones as they intentionally used a lot of EU material as background and it is hard to see that as a deliberate intent to canonise.

However, that's all up for debate. The kind of attitude I would like to promote is this: it is clear that the EU styles were designed entirely for the continuity which is now called Legends. Put it this way- they were never going to affect the movies, they were only trying to describe things scene in the movies, and if the movies had added distinct new styles, it would have been the EU that had to change to accommodate it. This, as ever, is no form of quality judgement, merely a common sense recognition of why they were designed.

So, if you want to treat them as in mainline continuity, there's no literal proof to deny it, but this would probably be seen as a bit of a stretch by others as they have a very hazy connection with the films.