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Basic city setting. Not very up on Nu52 Hawkman, so i'd prefer the Johns era character, i think he makes for a pretty solid match.

* Read the forum rules and the VS directory (thank you -Pr- and Digi), so i figured i'd give this a try. Been awhile since i posted at a thoroughly regulated board. Any mistake is on me!

Spidey takes this

Good fight. If Carter can land a solid hit, Spidey goes down. The speed shouldn't be too much of an issue for him.

^
Without plot restriction, it's very hard to land a good hit on Spider-man, Hawkman goes down.

Hawkman is able to keep up with the Flash when he's in intangible mode:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Identity_Crisis_02_Page_04.jpg

And as for speedsters:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/JSA_03_04-05.jpg

Speed isn't an issue for him.

Thanks to Mungi for the scans from his awesome respect thread.

Hawkman

Spiderman....gets wrecked

pre dcnu would be better. dcnu hawkman should take this solidly. classic hawk? i'd take spidey but it wouldn't be easy.

Originally posted by leonidas
pre dcnu would be better. dcnu hawkman should take this solidly. classic hawk? i'd take spidey but it wouldn't be easy.

It IS pre-DCnU. Hence my links.

Take that LEO! TAKE THAT!!!!!!!

grrr. sorry ds. in that case, yeah, i'd take spidey but it'd still be close.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Take that LEO! TAKE THAT!!!!!!!

taken.

Originally posted by leonidas
taken.

http://f2.thejournal.ie/media/2012/10/taken-2-liam-neeson-390x285.jpg

Toss up, IMO.

I would say toss up as well. One would think the webbing would spell big trouble for hawkman's wings.

Technically Hawkman doesn't need his wings to fly

Hawkman

Very cool, i got feedback!
Thanks for the input and scans, guys.

Spider-Man would have to go all out imo.

Spider-Man just because he good about suriving and winning against overwhelming odds not that I think it is.

You dont consider HM overwhelming? He's a fairly stout fellow with massive damage soak and a seasoned warrior.

Still, i think the fun would be seeing this battle. Spidey's always looked great against flying foes among sky scrapers...!

No not overwhelming. Spider-Man is a skilled fighter in his own style he is smart and as great powers.

True, he has on occasion reminded me of a flying Punisher.....

Hawkman not know for going against overwhelming odds and spider-mans skill being compared to one of the best fighters of the dcu with hundreds of years of experience? Errrr?

Originally posted by -K-M-

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Hawkman #47 : Gordanian Army (Hall)
During the Rann/Thanagar War, Hawkman steps up and takes on a whole army of Gordanians which had over a thousand soliders. Well he beats them....and with ease.

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-003.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-004.jpg
3. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-005.jpg
4. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-006.jpg
5. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-007.jpg

Its like people only think he's Angel with tech.

IMO, he's Ares in Marvel.

I wouldn't really give Hawkman any edge in all around skill. I'd give him the edge when it comes to weapons use and h2h but when it's hero vs hero it doesn't come down strictly to who has more h2h skill, its about who is better at the hero game, Spidey is close to the top of that hill and has beaten worse than hawkman, which is why I think its a fight that could go either way. Plus does hawkman have an answer for Spidey just spamming webbing?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Its like people only think he's Angel with tech.

IMO, he's Ares in Marvel.
So he loses badly?

Wait so you give him the nod having more skill with weapons and hand to hand (plus far more experienced), but still won't say he has an advantage in skill?

Just because their both heroes means little in an actual fight. On record hawkman will do whatever it takes to win wether it's to cut his opponents arm off, stab them in the chest, etc. spider-man can't make that claim. Hawkman won't pull his punches while there are many examples of spider-man has and will

Yes hawkman holds the advantage in weapons use and hand to hand, but how many times has Spider-Man man won fights without throwing a single punch? Hes smart enough to know to stay away from a close encounter, and can with the SS and him being faster on average. Add the webs and the playing field is alot more even. The superhero game im talking s basically, who is best at using their powers and skills to accomplish the most. Spidey is undoubtedly one of the best in that field.

As is Hawkman. I mean, he's SUPPOSED to be what, a high meta? And he's taking it to V&V Despero, and Black Adam......

You also know spider-man has a history of not doing well against skilled hand to hand fighters right? Even against vulture (who has one shot spider-man in the past) has troubles staying away from him. So this will not be easy for him in the least especially when hawkman is much faster, more skilled, more seasoned and has a healing factor too

Then factoring in weapons he has tech that can shut off someone's brain in one-shot(did it to aqua man and elongated man), has guns that can melt metal, mystical weapons, nth metal weapons which I could see cutting through the webbing. Could spider-man get the majority? Sure, but he has to go all out and not take hawkman lightly as hawkman will not extend the curtosy.

Spider-man's history varies from not doing too well against skilled characters to one-shot owning said skilled characters with zero efforts once he's done messing around. And he won't be messing around on a vs forum. Not to mention Spider-man's skills have been praised many times in the past including by skilled martial artists. And I'm talking long before the training with Shang Chi. And it's no secret that in comic books skills and experience do not always go side by side and 30+ year old martial artists often gets to walk all over warriors with thousand years worth of experience. And Hawkman never struck me as someone whose fighting skills are on the level that'd be overwhelming for Spider-man. Few people are on that level. Even if we talk classic Spider-man. More so current. Not after everyone he's had to fight in his long career.

CIS is still allowed and no spider-man on average would not go for broke against hawkman right from the start. That's in character.

Hawkman has skill and experience as noted. Look at wolverine, he is a skilled h2h fighter but he doesn't show it in his style. Doesn't mean he isn't.

Originally posted by SamZED
to one-shot owning said skilled characters with zero efforts

Do everything you want, just don't mention Matt/Parker in civies "fight". Both were (still are, just not as much after several unmaskings) obsessed about keeping their superhero identities secret and Matt was clearly hindered more; helpless blind man act, no equipment and all.

I believe he is referring to his kingpin fight in prison. Which he owned him pretty badly

That's the fight he likes to mention, too. True. But it wasn't a one-shot.

Originally posted by -K-M-
CIS is still allowed and no spider-man on average would not go for broke against hawkman right from the start. That's in character.

Hawkman has skill and experience as noted. Look at wolverine, he is a skilled h2h fighter but he doesn't show it in his style. Doesn't mean he isn't. Agreed. Pete is partially handicapped by his CIS but not too much tbh, after all he holds back all the time. Always. Even his bloodiest fights against mass murderers like Green Goblin whom he hates more than anyone he still holds back. Stated on-panel. Most of his insane feats were performed while holding back. Kind of like a street level Superman. Even SpOck held back once he realized what SM's body is capable off, right after he punched Scorpion's jaw clean off. He even commented that Parker must've been holding back all these years. A question - you know much more about HM, is it in his character for him to go for a kill when fighting a hero?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Do everything you want, just don't mention Matt/Parker in civies "fight". Both were (still are, just not as much after several unmaskings) obsessed about keeping their superhero identities secret and Matt was clearly hindered more; helpless blind man act, no equipment and all. I wasn't going to mention that fight.. but it actually fits too. Hindered? Matt more than Pete? He was the one who attacked him first, in mid-air, while flying out of a moving cab. Then got up like nothing happened and went for another attack. Some blind man act. He wanted to ko Pete ASAP but clearly not because he was worried about his secret ID but because he didn't want to risk giving Pete a chance to fight back, that much was made clear, while Pete was only reacting to Matt attacking him. I was actually going to mention Taskmaster, Bullseye, Batroc, Kingpin.. even IF was surprised by Pete's skills. Spider-man while holding back big time fought an upgraded bloodlusted Shang Chi and did fine. All that classic pre-training Pete.

Kingpin, Taskmaster... one-shot owned? When?

Originally posted by SamZED
one-shot owning

Originally posted by SamZED
Agreed. Pete is partially handicapped by his CIS but not too much tbh, after all he holds back all the time. Always. Even his bloodiest fights against mass murderers like Green Goblin whom he hates more than anyone he still holds back. Most of his insane feats were performed while holding back. Stated on-panel. Kind of like a street level Superman. A question - you know much more about HM, is it in his character for him to go for a kill when fighting a hero?


Oh I know that's my point, he always holds back. I should post my spider-man collection (I like the character). Kill? Unlikely. But stab or cut off his leg or arm? Very likely. He has always been at odds with the JSA for his brutal tactics. This is pre 52 hawkman I'm talking about

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Kingpin, Taskmaster... one-shot owned? When?


Don't pick on words, point is he can own MAs of that level once he's done messing around. Kingpin, he was literally prolonging the pleasure, that what if while non-canon gave us a pretty good idea of what would happen if Pete was going for the kill. Taskmaster, he slapped him through the floor once TM pissed him off, poor guy barely got away with his legs intact.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Oh I know that's my point, he always holds back. I should post my spider-man collection (I like the character). Kill? Unlikely. But stab or cut off his leg or arm? Very likely. He has always been at odds with the JSA for his brutal tactics. This is pre 52 hawkman I'm talking about Dont really keep up with DCnU but from what I heard preboot HM was a lot more impressive than the new version?

He also beat Iron Man in that What if, which was really stupid.

Originally posted by SamZED
Dont really keep up with DCnU but from what I heard preboot HM was a lot more impressive than the new version?

I haven't been following 52 hawkman much either but that's what people keep telling me.

He was last seen in justice league unlimited #1 and after a close fight, lobo beat him by cutting off his arm. That's how the issue ended.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He also beat Iron Man in that What if, which was really stupid. Yes yes... what if... stupid...

Originally posted by Galan007
Amazing Spider-man: Who am I #3.
Spider-Man vs. Iron Man:
http://imgur.com/CWZEOEx
http://imgur.com/Vlb82hA
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Originally posted by -K-M-
I haven't been following 52 hawkman much either but that's what people keep telling me.

He was last seen in justice league unlimited #1 and after a close fight, lobo beat him by cutting off his arm. That's how the issue ended. Yeah I've seen those scans. He did well actually. Then again, no idea how tough DCnU Lobo is.

^ All kinds of wrong.

http://oi61.tinypic.com/35isy1j.jpg

Much better.

Irrelevant. Non-fight and a cheap shot. You're just mad cause the fight Galan posted is canon.

Not a 100% cheapshot, no. SS went off, evasion manuevers and swinging were done, he just screwed up.

I'm happy it'll never see the print.

It looked like the armor actually analyzed Parker's trajectory and hit where he was going to end up before he got there. Pretty damn cool and consistent with Tonys tech.

Originally posted by -K-M-
You also know spider-man has a history of not doing well against skilled hand to hand fighters right? Even against vulture (who has one shot spider-man in the past) has troubles staying away from him. So this will not be easy for him in the least especially when hawkman is much faster, more skilled, more seasoned and has a healing factor too

Then factoring in weapons he has tech that can shut off someone's brain in one-shot(did it to aqua man and elongated man), has guns that can melt metal, mystical weapons, nth metal weapons which I could see cutting through the webbing. Could spider-man get the majority? Sure, but he has to go all out and not take hawkman lightly as hawkman will not extend the curtosy.

I dont see how hawkman is much faster than Spider-man. Is that just going off of the flash encounter? If so, dont guys like Batman and Slade have ludicrous feats involving the flash also?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not a 100% cheapshot, no. SS went off, evasion manuevers and swinging were done, he just screwed up.

I'm happy it'll never see the print. 90% maybe. He thougt it was Tony behind him and was cought off-guard when his "team mate" attacked him.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
I dont see how hawkman is much faster than Spider-man. Is that just going off of the flash encounter? If so, dont guys like Batman and Slade have ludicrous feats involving the flash also?

Flash and with Baroness Blitzkrieg.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
I dont see how hawkman is much faster than Spider-man. Is that just going off of the flash encounter? If so, dont guys like Batman and Slade have ludicrous feats involving the flash also?

He can go Mach speeds and in the silver age was capable of going Mach speeds. He also has beaten other speedsters before.

Originally posted by SamZED
90% maybe. He thougt it was Tony behind him and was cought off-guard when his "team mate" attacked him.

Nah. When you know what's happening, when you act, it's really not that much of a cheapshot.

Not behind. In front of him. He was about to web him up, too... aiming at him with his right "thwip" hand...

The point is he can't tank a repulsor ray. It's enough to down him, even.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Nah. When you know what's happening, when you act, it's really not that much of a cheapshot.

Not behind. In front of him. He was about to web him up, too... aiming at him with his right "thwip" hand...

The point is he can't tank a repulsor ray. It's enough to down him, even.
One problem with that point.
http://m.imgur.com/Wc0pO0K

Exactly why I posted it. That digital comic is pure bs.

Rays shattered Sue's forcefield, Parker's rib cage shouldn't be a challenge.

Based off fts...Spiderman win this handily. Hell, based off powerset Spiderman should win a healthy majority. Hawkman is good but Spiderman is better, especially a serious Spiderman.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
I dont see how hawkman is much faster than Spider-man. Is that just going off of the flash encounter? If so, dont guys like Batman and Slade have ludicrous feats involving the flash also?

Exactly. Nightwing has even managed to tie up a blitzing Flash that was moving around at invisible speeds. Hawkman isn't as fast as Spiderman...not even close imo.

Originally posted by -K-M-
He can go Mach speeds and in the silver age was capable of going Mach speeds. He also has beaten other speedsters before.

Is that flight speed? While impressive I was thinking more reflex speed.

Edit, Spidey has beaten speedsters too

You want reflex, fine - pre-reboot HM made Batman kiss his mace right after Bruce batcabled him.

... sounds dirty, I know.

Originally posted by carver9
Based off fts...Spiderman win this handily. Hell, based off powerset Spiderman should win a healthy majority. Hawkman is good but Spiderman is better, especially a serious Spiderman.

Bwahaha

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Is that flight speed? While impressive I was thinking more reflex speed.

Edit, Spidey has beaten speedsters too

Yes and fighting speed. Well he hits machine gun fire away with his mace that good enough?

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Trinity06018.jpg

Not on Hawkman's level he beat.

Get 'em, Mungi!!!

KM, a good example of his ferocity I think is from Identity Crisis, when he just burst in and smashed Monocle in the face.

Oh there are MANY examples of his brutality. Just proof that Hawkman would go all out right from the start, while even Spider-Man supporters admit Peter wouldn't as he often holds back.

Either way they have comparable physical stats, so no way does anyone dominate anyone. That's Carver for you.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Bwahaha



Yes and fighting speed. Well he hits machine gun fire away with his mace that good enough?

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Trinity06018.jpg

Not on Hawkman's level he beat.

Thats decent but I dont think thats nearly enough to definitively say hes faster than Spider-Man, who not only has that speed, but the consistency.

What do you mean not on HM level. The guys he did beat were a hell of alot faster than him.

Also brutality isnt a huge edge. Remember a. His HUGE damage soak. B. His spider sense that would warn him of lethal blows and C. Spidey constantly fights Logan; king of brutality.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Thats decent but I dont think thats nearly enough to definitively say hes faster than Spider-Man, who not only has that speed, but the consistency.

What do you mean not on HM level. The guys he did beat were a hell of alot faster than him.

That's one of many, he is known for his bullet time feats just like Spider-Man is. Difference, Hawkman can ALSO go mach speeds (light speed in silverage). So yes he is faster then Spider-Man. Not to the point where Spider-Man can't keep up though.

Flash level speedsters? Speed Demon is no where close to those levels

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Also brutality isnt a huge edge. Remember a. His HUGE damage soak. B. His spider sense that would warn him of lethal blows and C. Spidey constantly fights Logan; king of brutality.

You missed the earlier debate, there was a point would Hawkman do what he would do against a hero? and he would

Also the difference between Hawkman is he can fly, has tech that can one-shot Spider-Man, and has other abilities Wolverine doesn't.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/ShadowWarofHawkman03-19.jpg

Like I said in another thread, DCnU Hawkman is pretty versatile in his own right. He also has enhanced speed, strength, and insane damage soak.

Here is Hawkman's fire protective/attack while he's getting absorbed.

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HM_zps6ccb1625.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HM2_zps21372507.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HM3_zpsf025195e.jpg

Even pre 52 hawkman took surturs flames and it was said "Hawkman giggles at anything less then third degree burns" and has healed his throat being slit instantly. Yet people are trying to say spider-man has comparable damage soak? Come on

The Nth metal is able to alert Carter of danger.
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HM4_zpsfb8d25a0.jpg

Explains to Slade that it can enhance his stats and create weapons.
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HM5_zps46b0d701.jpg

Withstood pain from Blockbuster.
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HM6_zps05f9f3bc.jpg

The Nth metal triggers a new combat mode to match Blockbuster.
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HM7_zps7bca5a6a.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HM8_zpsecac25ef.jpg

Fights Shaggy Man despite losing a lot of blood.
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HM9_zpse68f2561.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HM10_zpscfa07ccd.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HM11_zpsfc08ec84.jpg

Withstood a blow from Aquaman.
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HM12_zpsb67102e1.jpg

Spidey defeated stronger opponents on regular basis like IM, Juggernaut, Firelord

Hawkman was beating Batgod w/ Loebforce.

Originally posted by Fire Knight
Spidey defeated stronger opponents on regular basis like IM, Juggernaut, Firelord

If you ignore the context behind those

Originally posted by -K-M-
That's one of many, he is known for his bullet time feats just like Spider-Man is. Difference, Hawkman can ALSO go mach speeds (light speed in silverage). So yes he is faster then Spider-Man. Not to the point where Spider-Man can't keep up though.

Flash level speedsters? Speed Demon is no where close to those levels

Dont mix up flight and reflex speed. If hawkman has any lightspeed or mach level reaction/fighting feats id like to see them. Everyone harps up when people_bring up Surfer's flight speed in a vs match, hawkman shouldn't be any different.

And HM aint nowhere near flash level. Considering the guys the flashes have jobbed to(batman, slade etc), I take those showings with a grain of salt anyway.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Dont mix up flight and reflex speed. If hawkman has any lightspeed or mach level reaction/fighting feats id like to see them. Everyone harps up when people_bring up Surfer's flight speed in a vs match, hawkman shouldn't be any different.

And HM aint nowhere near flash level. Considering the guys the flashes have jobbed to(batman, slade etc), I take those showings with a grain of salt anyway.

I didn't as I said he has both. He doesn't have lightspeed reflexes (silverage could go lightspeed), but mach speed is him dodging and hitting away bullets with ease.

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Hawkman #9-10 : Hawkman (Holl)
Here Hawkman dodges a blast from a Thanagarian rifle from behind him

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-009-22.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-010-01.jpg
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Hawkman #20 : Hawkman (Holl)
Showing his vastly superior speed to Black Condor, who is shocked as Kator throws his weapon away and uses his speed to catch it in mid-air

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-020-11.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-020-12.jpg
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Brave & Bold #44 : Hawkman (Holl) & Hawkwoman (Sheyara)
Here the Hawks dodge bullets from a sniper and shows Kator's intelligence making lenses that can see invisible things

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/BB044-11.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/BB044-12.jpg
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Hawkman #49 : Hawkman (Hall) & Hawkgirl (Kendra)
Here the two Hawk's dodge moving lazers from the Gordanian Shredders, that if one lazer hits you you will instantly suffer brain death

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-49-010.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-49-011.jpg
3. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-49-012.jpg
4. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-49-013.jpg
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Hawkman #37 : Hawkman (Hall), Hawkgirl (Kendra)
Here the duo show once again they can easily evade gunfire, and Hawkman shows how smart he is in battle.

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-37-02.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-37-03.jpg
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Shadow War of Hawkman #1 of #4: Hawkman (Hol) & Hawkwoman (Shayera)
Here Hawkman and Hawkwoman show their speed dodging bullet fire once again

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/ShadowWarofHawkman01-05.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/ShadowWarofHawkman01-06.jpg
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Shadow War of Hawkman #2 of #4: Hawkman (Hol)
Here Kator easily avoids laser blasts from other Thanagarian warriors

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/ShadowWarofHawkman02-20.jpg
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Hawkman #47 : Hawkman (Hall) & Hawkgirl (Kendra)
During the Rann/Thanagar War, a hord of Durlan bio-ships attack our heroes but that doesn't stop them. They easily avoid the ships laser fire

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-018.jpg
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Hawkman #3 : Hawkman (Holl)
Kator twirls his bo staff so fast they destroy saucer weapons

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman_03-12.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman_03-13.jpg
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Hawkman #3 : Hawkman (Holl) & Hawkwoman (Shayera)
The Hawks once again easily avoiding multiple gun-fire

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman_03-23.jpg
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Hawkman #26 : Carter Hall
Outflys a speeding elevator that had it's cables cut and flys out faster than the two vampires who set the trap.

1. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/hm-26-05.jpg
2. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/hm-26-06.jpg
3. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/hm-26-07.jpg

etc...(dodged bullets so much I stopped posting them in the respect thread)

No he isn't, except he has done well against him and other Flash level speedsters many times. That's fact. He even has other abilities creating wind funnels and can suck the air out of the area. Contrary to what your implying Hawkman is more then just a low level hack and slash artist.

Then with Hawkman's enhanced vision Spider-Man is not going to move faster then he can react.
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Identity Crisis #2 :
Hawkman's vision is so great he can count the flaps of a Hummingbird and most importantly can see Flash when he is invisble vibrating so fast.

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Identity_Crisis_02_Page_04.jpg
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Trinity #13 (Vol.2)
Here Hawkman can see people teleport a split second before they do, by seeing the air fracture

1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Trinity13p19.jpg
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Hawkman #13 (Vol.4): Eye-Sight (Hall)
Carter explains the nth metal allows him to see for miles.

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman_v4_13_016.jpg

As mentioned we haven't even gone into Hawkman's many other abilities. Anyone who says Spider-Man stomps is kidding themselves

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/BB044-07.jpg

Spiderman blitzed Masterson to near defeat and Masterson has flown light speed on many of occasions. He blitzed Firelord. He has blitzed Thor. He has blitzed a possessed Surfer. Hawkman would most definitely get blitzed.

Originally posted by carver9
Spiderman blitzed Masterson to near defeat and Masterson has flown light speed on many of occasions. He blitzed Firelord. He has blitzed Thor. He has blitzed a possessed Surfer. Hawkman would most definitely get blitzed.

He blitzed Firelord who was holding back, and good for blitzing Thor. Hawkman actually has gone against and beaten speedsters so your comparison falls flat. So Spider-Man is faster then Silver Surfer? hmmmm....also as mentioned Hawkman has super speed in flight and fighting skill.

Did any of those speedblitz actually beat any of them? No.

Hawkman with the Claw of Horus has "beat" Superman.
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Do I really need to post people far slower then then people you listed regularly tagging Spider-Man?

Originally posted by -K-M-
Then with Hawkman's enhanced vision Spider-Man is not going to move faster then he can react.
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Heightened Senses
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Identity Crisis #2 :
Hawkman's vision is so great he can count the flaps of a Hummingbird and most importantly can see Flash when he is invisble vibrating so fast.

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Identity_Crisis_02_Page_04.jpg
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Trinity #13 (Vol.2)
Here Hawkman can see people teleport a split second before they do, by seeing the air fracture

1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Trinity13p19.jpg
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Hawkman #13 (Vol.4): Eye-Sight (Hall)
Carter explains the nth metal allows him to see for miles.

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman_v4_13_016.jpg

As mentioned we haven't even gone into Hawkman's many other abilities. Anyone who says Spider-Man stomps is kidding themselves

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/BB044-07.jpg

I'd say those feats put him in Spidey's league of speed, but I still don't see him as faster quite yet based on those, if anything I would call speed a wash in that case (with the SS being a certain advantage)

Originally posted by -K-M-
He blitzed Firelord who was holding back, and good for blitzing Thor. Hawkman actually has gone against and beaten speedsters so your comparison falls flat. So Spider-Man is faster then Silver Surfer? hmmmm....also as mentioned Hawkman has super speed in flight and fighting skill.

Did any of those speedblitz actually beat any of them? No.

Hawkman with the Claw of Horus has "beat" Superman.
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Do I really need to post people far slower then then people you listed regularly tagging Spider-Man?

Uuuuummmm...Firelord was helpless when Spiderman was blitzing him. Firelord even threatened to destroy the City before Spiderman blitzed him because he was fed up so I don't get where you came up with him holding back 'during the end'. Spiderman overall speed fts are better.

Originally posted by carver9
Uuuuummmm...Firelord was helpless when Spiderman was blitzing him. Firelord even threatened to destroy the City before Spiderman blitzed him because he was fed up so I don't get where you came up with him holding back 'during the end'. Spiderman overall speed fts are better.

Ummm Firelord limited himself and held back as per the story. Now show me Firelord showing great reflex speed....go.

So if your holding back as your afraid of hurting Spider-Man and the city you honestly think that's a good indication of a true fight? Oh lord.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
I'd say those feats put him in Spidey's league of speed, but I still don't see him as faster quite yet based on those, if anything I would call speed a wash in that case (with the SS being a certain advantage)

Which I'm fine with, it's some (ie. Carver) saying Spider-Man is just to fast for him which is hardly true....

No way is Spidey too fast for HM to see, but in a fight he might still get hit. There are variables, such as positioning. A person can see a car coming at them but if there's no room to dodge...

I'm actually learning a lot in this thread. Appreciate it.

True, I doubt KM is saying Hawkman is going to be dancing around Spidey - he WILL get hit, after all.

Problem then is that Hawkman would be able to tank some of those blows, and dish some of his own out.

Agreed.
I try not to make fights that are total stomps, though i'm proven wrong sometimes.
This one i still think could go either way, and i love the debate, its helping me get to know folks here, too!

Here's a quick guide:

Carver is always wrong.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
True, I doubt KM is saying Hawkman is going to be dancing around Spidey - he WILL get hit, after all.

Problem then is that Hawkman would be able to tank some of those blows, and dish some of his own out.

Bingo. All I was debating is their closer in psychical stats and have comparable feats contrary to what some people believed. People slower then spider-man have tagged him with ease and people slower then hawkman have tagged him with ease. To outright say spider-man would just dominate and hawkman couldn't compete is well...wrong. This would be a close fight. Anyone saying otherwise for spider-man or hawkman is kidding themselves

Hawkman owned a CL 50 being and knocked him into orbit. If Spidey gets hit, it will be the same.

Hawkman may have the most skewed perception of what he can and cant do next to Aquaman.
Both these guys are dismissed really quick in Fights!

Spiderman.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hawkman is able to keep up with the Flash when he's in intangible mode:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Identity_Crisis_02_Page_04.jpg

And as for speedsters:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/JSA_03_04-05.jpg

Speed isn't an issue for him.

Thanks to Mungi for the scans from his awesome respect thread.

Great speed feats. Well this definitely gives Carter more of a chance. I still say Spidey because of his pre-cog Spidey sense and webbing (which could be used to slow down Carter for free hits).

Now Carter will can hit Spidey if Spidey attacks and he counters after dodging. But if Carter attacks then Spidey will dodge and counter. If Spidey uses webbing first, then Spidey has a much better chance of winning.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Hawkman owned a CL 50 being and knocked him into orbit. If Spidey gets hit, it will be the same. Hawkman did what? He knocked someone in orbit? Are you phucking serious? Please scan me or issue me. I love to see that.
We are now talking millions of tons of strength now if by fists and hundreds of thousands of tons by club object.

Originally posted by h1a8
Hawkman did what? He knocked someone in orbit? Are you phucking serious? Please scan me or issue me. I love to see that.
We are now talking millions of tons of strength now if by fists and hundreds of thousands of tons by club object.

Well, here is the fight. This combat mode would crush Spidey.

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HM_zps37ccf4e2.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HM2_zpsc548bd7a.jpghttp://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HM3_zpsfea9406d.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HM4_zps5b835cdf.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HM5_zps3a063bc0.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HM6_zps6d72ec84.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HM7_zps77471ee0.jpg

Can't actually read the scans (on my phone) but that doesn't look like orbit

Not nearly orbit, from what I can tell.

It looks like a few hundred feet to me... And it appears that they were in the air before the punch.

Originally posted by riv6672
Hawkman may have the most skewed perception of what he can and cant do next to Aquaman.
Both these guys are dismissed really quick in Fights!

Aquaman had it worse before the reboot, but thankfully his revamp has helped him quite a bit.

Yeah it has!
He and Hawkman should start a club, invite Ben Grimm...

Hawkman

Originally posted by Golgo13
Well, here is the fight. This combat mode would crush Spidey.

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HM_zps37ccf4e2.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HM2_zpsc548bd7a.jpghttp://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HM3_zpsfea9406d.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HM4_zps5b835cdf.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HM5_zps3a063bc0.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HM6_zps6d72ec84.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HM7_zps77471ee0.jpg Dont Know how impressive it is in terms of knocking out Blockbuster (Dont Know how durable he is) but in terms of heigh.. Spider-man can punch someone that high up.

Nice scans, thank you.
Orbit, no orbit, this pretty much says Hawkman's not getting owned in Spidey fight, no matter the outcome.

This one is close.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/2561957-2249717_feat1fight5oh1.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/2561960-2249718_feat1fight6aj4.jpg

And the force of that uprooted the damned tree. He might have flown just as high without that.

Didnt he also hit Iron man with a huge shot that sent him flying once too? I cant remember if he had the symbiote then or not.

A couple of times. I think you're talking about future Iron Man. It was just a black suit then.

Notice how Gargan is still gaining momentum in that pic, for all we know he hit a satellite and fell back down.

Yeah the future iron man, the time he sent him flying into that building. That was one hell of a shot.

I heard he was just Iron Man till that shot sent him through time!

How good is Spidey's healing these days? Is it as good as DCnU Hawkman's?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Well, here is the fight. This combat mode would crush Spidey.


If Hawkman allowed to use his full combat gears then Spidey can use Horizon lab resources. Spidey wear invisible suit while using antartic vibranium to destroy Nth metals.

Originally posted by Fire Knight
If Hawkman allowed to use his full combat gears then Spidey can use Horizon lab resources. Spidey wear invisible suit while using antartic vibranium to destroy Nth metals.

He doesn't need that armor to beat Spider-Man, IMO.

Vibranium vs Nth metal would be interesting to see.

Besides, combat mode is something Hawkman always brings with him, right?

Moot, anyway. This is pre52 Hawk.

Spiderman ftw, NU52 Hawkman would make things a lot more interesting.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Good fight. If Carter can land a solid hit, Spidey goes down. The speed shouldn't be too much of an issue for him.

Spidey does NOT go down by such a blunt force trauma hit IMO.

Originally posted by Golgo13
How good is Spidey's healing these days? Is it as good as DCnU Hawkman's?

Well considering Hawkman quickly regenerated his hand a few minutes after it being cut off I can safely say...no.

My first VS thread.
On my birthday.
Aw!

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Spidey does NOT go down by such a blunt force trauma hit IMO.

Depends. He's managed to draw blood off Despero, Black Adam etc.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Depends. He's managed to draw blood off Despero, Black Adam etc. Make no mistake, if HM hits SM flush then it's almost a done deal. But hitting him and not getting hit himself is the huge problem here.

I think DCnU Hawkman would probably win, Nth Metal seems pretty OP.

Pre-FP Hawkman had some pretty impressive highs, but he jobbed a good deal too, I.e getting one shot by Ted Grant. I think Spidey can pull a majority on him.

Originally posted by h1a8
Make no mistake, if HM hits SM flush then it's almost a done deal. But hitting him and not getting hit himself is the huge problem here. Spider-Man has taken hits from plenty of people as strong and stronger than HM.

He's also been hit by slower weaker guys. We pretty much covered this before someone topped this damn thing.

Originally posted by riv6672
He's also been hit by slower weaker guys. We pretty much covered this before someone topped this damn thing. I didn't say he wouldn't be hit, I'm saying he could take a hit and still keep fighting.

I don't care how many times it has been discussed.

And i dont care that you dont care, you snippy priss.

Originally posted by riv6672
And i dont care that you dont care, you snippy priss. You seem like you do.

claw of horus ends spidey's life

Originally posted by Mindset
You seem like you do.
Care that you're a snippy priss? Only for comedic purposes.

Originally posted by TedKordJRBOSS
claw of horus ends spidey's life
Well yeah, but that isnt standard gear.

During Brightest Day he had it with him all the time.

He's a smart man, then.

How would Hm do against PF Magik & Colossus?

Didnt know Spider-man could channel them!

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
How would Hm do against PF Magik & Colossus?

He would've smashed them.

Originally posted by Mindset
Spider-Man has taken hits from plenty of people as strong and stronger than HM. I agree. But the mace amplifies his striking power to levels far above his strength. I didn't say Carter could 1 shot Spidey. I said if he lands a good one FLUSH (not a grazing hit) then Spidey would be rocked and at a disadvantage. I didn't say Carter will win. I said, it would be ALMOST a done deal (provided Carter can finish off the advantage he has). In summary, after a flush hit, if Carter allows Spidey any time to recoup then he will lose.

I don't see Carter landing a flush hit ever (or a single hit maybe) so I see Spidey winning 10/10, especially with webbing.

Well thought out....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He would've smashed them.
You wanna do that thread?

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
You wanna do that thread?

I would've thought it was being sarcastic, but OK.

Here's a reminder of the forum rules.



If you really want to argue that Colossus, amped by 1/5 of the Phoenix Force, and MAgik, a Hell lord, also amped by 1/5th of the Phoenix Force, REALLY don't smush a character of Spidey's power level, then...yeah.

Spidey winning 10/10? Lulz

Originally posted by -K-M-
Spidey winning 10/10? Lulz
I'll TAKE that lulz.
I still say this is a remakably even fight.