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Hello my name is Fated Xtasy and I am an agnostic. I don't disbelieve nor believe in a god. the way I see it is that we all search for something to find comfort in, whether its for the death of a loved one or perhaps something else. we all find faith and belief in something. I for one don't care for religion or its counterpart. many people say that Atheism is a better way to live and many other people say that becoming a Christian, muslim, jew etcetera, is also a great choice. I for one see no difference between religious people and non-religious folk(Atheists) both EXUDE an intolerable arrogance, with some Christian and the like blindly following things that to me(and you) sound quite illogical, while Atheist seem very stuck up and arrogant - "haha you believe in god!? what a dumbass". they believe themselves to be on a much higher place of status than religious people, just because they aren't "blinded" by religion. not to mention some(not all) are hell bent on destroying religion. to me that's something you do when you're afraid. when you fear other people's opinions.

Both factions are arrogant to a fault, with both claiming superiority over the other.

Honestly I've always said "Who gives a ****?" why? because for atheist they constantly berate and talk down to religious people and religion constantly contradicts itself. honestly I don't care for any religion. nor do I whether or not you're a Christian, muslim, jew etcetera. what matters to me is that you treat people - whether you're religious or not, with kindness. I know this wont ever reach anyone. but seriously atheist stop trying to make people think or see YOUR truth, because it's their belief not yours, I remember an episode of the TV show scrubs at one point explored this. the doctor asked his nurse 'why do you even bother?" and the nursed replied. "In my work I see a lot of people die, kids, old people, so stop trying to take the one thing that keeps me going"(im paraphrasing) that made so much sense for me. why try to take or destroy someone's faith in something? especially when it's something that helps them cope with death, failure and other horrible things that happened to them? Why question a man who doesn't believe in god, whose focus keeps him working hard to feed his family? in my opinion we shouldn't questions someone's religion nor should anyone question yours or mine. simply because its OUR choice not anyone else's. as George Carlin once said. "Why the **** would you be proud of being an American, Italian, irish or anything?(or in this case a atheist/religious, if your happy with it that's fine - do that! put that on your car, "Happy to be an American" Be happy don't be proud - to much pride as it is. "Pride Cometh before a fall" don't forget the proverbs. if your happy with your religion good for you! if your happy not being religious, good for you! but don't become arrogant or try to convert people into your things. respect one another, we're all humans.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Hello my name is Fated Xtasy and I am an agnostic. I don't disbelieve nor believe in a god. the way I see it is that we all search for something to find comfort in, whether its for the death of a loved one or perhaps something else. we all find faith and belief in something. I for one don't care for religion or its counterpart. many people say that Atheism is a better way to live and many other people say that becoming a Christian, muslim, jew etcetera, is also a great choice. I for one see no difference between religious people and non-religious folk(Atheists) both EXUDE an intolerable arrogance, with some Christian and the like blindly following things that to me(and you) sound quite illogical, while Atheist seem very stuck up and arrogant - "haha you believe in god!? what a dumbass". they believe themselves to be on a much higher place of status than religious people, just because they aren't "blinded" by religion. not to mention some(not all) are hell bent on destroying religion. to me that's something you do when you're afraid. when you fear other people's opinions.

Both factions are arrogant to a fault, with both claiming superiority over the other.

Honestly I've always said "Who gives a ****?" why? because for atheist they constantly berate and talk down to religious people and religion constantly contradicts itself. honestly I don't care for any religion. nor do I whether or not you're a Christian, muslim, jew etcetera. what matters to me is that you treat people - whether you're religious or not, with kindness. I know this wont ever reach anyone. but seriously atheist stop trying to make people think or see YOUR truth, because it's their belief not yours, I remember an episode of the TV show scrubs at one point explored this. the doctor asked his nurse 'why do you even bother?" and the nursed replied. "In my work I see a lot of people die, kids, old people, so stop trying to take the one thing that keeps me going"(im paraphrasing) that made so much sense for me. why try to take or destroy someone's faith in something? especially when it's something that helps them cope with death, failure and other horrible things that happened to them? Why question a man who doesn't believe in god, whose focus keeps him working hard to feed his family? in my opinion we shouldn't questions someone's religion nor should anyone question yours or mine. simply because its OUR choice not anyone else's. as George Carlin once said. "Why the **** would you be proud of being an American, Italian, irish or anything?(or in this case a atheist/religious, if your happy with it that's fine - do that! put that on your car, "Happy to be an American" Be happy don't be proud - to much pride as it is. "Pride Cometh before a fall" don't forget the proverbs. if your happy with your religion good for you! if your happy not being religious, good for you! but don't become arrogant or try to convert people into your things. respect one another, we're all humans.

This and nice and all, but debating is not a bad thing. I agree with a lot of what you have said. However, if you just let people do what they want, some people will get rid of science from our schools. Other people will remove our freedom because it doesn't conform to their beliefs.

I figure if a religion (including atheism) cannot withstand open debate, then it doesn't deserve to exist. Just because you believe something doesn't mean you have the right to make public policy without open debate.

Sure, buttheads should stay home on both sides, and shut up, but they have a say just like the rest of use. Perhaps we shouldn't wear our beliefs on our sleeves. We should all have thinker skin.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Why would God create a would that looks like it is vary old? That doesn't sound like honesty.

As far as the past not existing: That is an extraordinary claim, and it requires extraordinary proof. I await your extraordinary proof. The correct response to these inquiries would take a lot of mental energy for me to put together into coherent form. But that coherent body of knowledge exists somewhere in there.

And it concludes simply, "God doesn't want me to obey Him, He wants me to be able to realize myself what I'd have to do to experience euphoric permanence."

So I need to meditate more and more frequently.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison


I figure if a religion (including atheism)

Are you saying atheism is a religion?

Originally posted by The Renegade
Are you saying atheism is a religion?

Let me make this clear: If atheism cannot withstand open debate, it doesn't deserve to be considered seriously.

Don't ask me if atheism is a seriously.

Is a seriously... what?

Also, you've yet to answer my question, to make that clear.

Originally posted by The Renegade
Is a seriously... what?

Also, you've yet to answer my question, to make that clear.

Are you seriously?

Am I seriously what?

You're seriously irritating me.

BTW, you're exclaiming that my claim was that God changed the age of the earth. That's not what I said, I said age may not be as we perceive, time may not actually be linear. I'm not saying it isn't linear either as you seemed to indicate.

But I do lean towards the latter ideas in that God is shaping its own experience being experienced through us, constantly changing everything, in a way that will not conflict with my own or anyone's continuity of consciousness. So there is no past, there is the eternal now, there is truly no individuality or sustenance around, it's just a thought pattern of God's, my experience is an illusion God needs to not go crazy.

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God already knows how we all succeed in eternal nirvana pretty soon here but we don't know what how that one event will unfold.

I say it will happen to me now despite all those it can't happen for anymore because I am here now, and there is only the eternal now.

In fact, God represents my or your or anyone else's thoughts, the spirit doesn't think in how it just changes everything continuously to shape our needs until we know how to work with the spirit in letting it give us what we want but do not know how to get. It isn't serving God it's serving us and in doing so it's serving God.

Originally posted by The Renegade
Am I seriously what?

You're seriously irritating me.

No, I was not saying that atheism is a religion. That was not the topic. At first I thought you were just joking around, but I guess I was wrong. If you wish to talk about rather atheism is a religion or not, please start a new thread.

Back on topic!

I don't wish to have an extended discussion about that either, hence my question basically being a "yes" or "no" one. It's unfortunate that you had difficulty answering.

Originally posted by The Renegade
I don't wish to have an extended discussion about that either, hence my question basically being a "yes" or "no" one. It's unfortunate that you had difficulty answering.

But it was, and still is, a stupid question. I couldn't imagine someone asking such a stupid question without it being a joke.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But it was, and still is, a stupid question. I couldn't imagine someone asking such a stupid question without it being a joke. You said:

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I figure if a religion (including atheism) This is an ambiguous statement. It could mean either "religion, as well as atheism," or it could mean "religion, such as atheism." Your choice of wording and syntax didn't make it clear.

This isn't the first time your... ahem, iffy sentence structure has left your intentions vague or muddled. Your response to Renegade's (entirely justified) confirmation question really made you look like an ass.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But it was, and still is, a stupid question. I couldn't imagine someone asking such a stupid question without it being a joke.

You weren't exactly spot-on with how you structured your sentence. It was a brief and easily answerable question. You're being silly and taking what I asked well out of proportion.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Nope. For someone who claims to be an uber Anakin archetype/omnipolymathgeniusglot/loves dem numbers/super sciences it up, this kind of talk is bafflingly stupid and thought-terminating. You claim to understand having a mind like that by saying this.


That's as unsubstantiated as claiming that, because there're action-reactions that seem to be totally related, that it isn't all illusory none-the-less.

I didn't say impalpable, intangible, or ethereal. You seem to have interpreted the possibility wrongly as did Shyamunison.

There is a good reason for denying such a possibility, it's difficult to operate under the notion that nothing is actually known.

Originally posted by Oneness
I didn't say impalpable, intangible, or ethereal. You seem to have interpreted the possibility wrongly as did Shyamunison.

There is a good reason for denying such a possibility, it's difficult to operate under the notion that nothing is actually known.

I suggest you read From Eternity to Here by Sean Carroll

http://www.amazon.com/From-Eternity-Here-Ultimate-Theory/dp/0452296544

You will then see why I fundamentally disagree with you, not misunderstand you.

Originally posted by Oneness
You claim to understand having a mind like that by saying this.


That's as unsubstantiated as claiming that, because there're action-reactions that seem to be totally related, that it isn't all illusory none-the-less.

The amount of pseudointellectualism here is both saddening and hilarious at the same time.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
The amount of pseudointellectualism here is both saddening and hilarious at the same time. Well, blatantly appearing as a psuedointellectual is almost against my newly adopted life-philosophy (48 laws of power); however, it is similar to one of the laws: Always take credit for the work of others.

It is a similar tendency.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I suggest you read From Eternity to Here by Sean Carroll

http://www.amazon.com/From-Eternity-Here-Ultimate-Theory/dp/0452296544

You will then see why I fundamentally disagree with you, not misunderstand you. The ideology of an end-all, be-all understanding of anything (no matter how utterly specialized the area of research is) ---- is truly "thought-terminating". In the end it is a theory that could be replaced. So then, no end-all or be-all.

My whole issue with scientific atheism is, are we eliminating what isn't real (witchcraft), or are we just coming to momentary establishments of what may or may not be real? The issue is, in either case, you're taking a leap of faith in trusting the "human POV" because we have a way of testing, observing, and documenting the recurrent effects of our interactions with, or the interactions inherent in, nature.

Because what if nature is "an illusion"? What if time is truly non-linear and there is only the eternal now and our perspectives are merely being altered? What if individuality is also a trick? What if it's all just a rouse out of the banality of the omniscient nature of nature?

This is indeed psychobabble, but not gibberish. The difference between psychobabble and incoherent thought is simple: "crazy-talk" is going too far or trying to be on all ends of the spectrum simultaneously, incoherence comes from the inability to be anywhere or articulate or comprehend any idea. It is closer to incoherence to be rational than crazy in one way, and that is that the mad-man doesn't believe that he can't make anything coherent, he believes he can make sense of anything.

As I do.

Believe me when I say this because I have dabbled in controlling not just my life but anything you can think of, with a concentrated dose of 40 mg of Geodon twice a day for years I was able to use the awareness of being in a lucid dream to shape that dream and in doing so I seemed to just lose lucidity, just withered away; if you were "God" you'd be so broken that the ability to be surprised, to live momentarily, to discover new things - would be an automatic reflex to your existence.

Originally posted by Oneness
Believe me when I say this because I have dabbled in controlling not just my life but anything you can think of, with a concentrated dose of 40 mg of Geodon twice a day for years I was able to use the awareness of being in a lucid dream to shape that dream and in doing so I seemed to just lose lucidity, just withered away; if you were "God" you'd be so broken that the ability to be surprised, to live momentarily, to discover new things - would be an automatic reflex to your existence.

What you experienced is not real.

We're in the Matrix

Originally posted by Oneness
Well, blatantly appearing as a psuedointellectual is almost against my newly adopted life-philosophy (48 laws of power); however, it is similar to one of the laws: Always take credit for the work of others.

It is a similar tendency.

See, your main problem is that you attribute your life-philosophy to a narcissistic, contradictory, and aimless Robert Greene affair.

You! Stop that. Now.

Seriously, unless you're fifteen and want to impress your high school buddies with some trite-ass quotes, you need to throw that book away or give it to a prison inmate, which is literally one of the book's most popular readers.

Originally posted by Oneness
my newly adopted life-philosophy How many of those are you up to now?

Originally posted by The Renegade
and aimless... The aim is to manipulate people to gain off of them.

Parasitic systems are the most enduring in today's world. Most wealthy people are trained to be insincere, untrusting, deceptive, manipulative, infectious, ambitious, and neurotic. This is Satan's fire, one must beat them at their own game. The only way to annihilate fire is with a stronger blaze in this case.

Originally posted by Oneness
Well, blatantly appearing as a psuedointellectual is almost against my newly adopted life-philosophy (48 laws of power); however, it is similar to one of the laws: Always take credit for the work of others.

It is a similar tendency.

Do you even sense, bro?

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Do you even sense, bro? it wouldn't have been bad to seem pseudointelligent if it were intentional, like if I wanted to make you think you're more intelligent than I or that your argument is more sound.

But to my knowledge theres nothing to be gained by inflating your ego here and everything to be lost in seeming as if I don't actually know what I'm talking about. And losing anything is against my life philosophy which is entirely focused on gaining and taking at minimal cost and risk.

Originally posted by Oneness
it wouldn't have been bad to seem pseudointelligent if it were intentional, like if I wanted to make you think you're more intelligent than I or that your argument is more sound.

I pointed out that you're using big words and bizarre syntax to obfuscate the point which you claim to have in this discussion.

Somewhere you got this notion that you're some kind of intellectual powerhouse, but you can't relate a single thing that makes real sense around here. I liked you better before you started being loopy.



You lost a lot of time by not making sense. Why don't you start there?

The third post on this page addresses your concern to my position.

I'd just like to point out that it requires of intellect to feign knowledge or expertise (psuedointellectualism). To seem knowledgeable without being called out for it.

I'm using the big wordscorrectly and I truly understand the syntax. I'm not being a psuedointellectual but I am apparently failing to make you understand.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What you experienced is not real. Well iI was concious that i was dreaming and managed to manipulate the the lucid dream and the lucidity did fall apart when I started manipulating the people places and events.

Originally posted by Oneness
I'm using the big wordscorrectly and I truly understand the syntax. I'm not being a psuedointellectual but I am apparently failing to make you understand.

http://allreilledup.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Albert-Einstein-Quote-Explain-Simply.jpg

All of Einstein's opinions are facts.

Perhaps I prefer to exercise my grammaratical acuity and vocabulary.

Or you're compensating.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
The amount of pseudointellectualism here is both saddening and hilarious at the same time. it is more difficult to articulate points with big words than otherwise. And more indicative of intellect.

That being said, I invite you to demonstrate the logic holes in my articulations.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
K.



Considering all knowledge is subject to humanity, this question can't be answered outside of that POV.



See above. You either believe that what you see is what you get, or you believe in some Descartian evil genius demon bullshit. When I hear hoofbeats, I think horses, not lizard people riding unicorns.



An illusion would mean that things do not really change. But they measurably do. Even without being able to use absolute knowledge or a God's-eye view of reality, we can at least determine causation and change. This is mindless babbling.



Nope. For someone who claims to be an uber Anakin archetype/omnipolymathgeniusglot/loves dem numbers/super sciences it up, this kind of talk is bafflingly stupid and thought-terminating.

Originally posted by Oneness
The aim is to manipulate people to gain off of them.

Parasitic systems are the most enduring in today's world. Most wealthy people are trained to be insincere, untrusting, deceptive, manipulative, infectious, ambitious, and neurotic. This is Satan's fire, one must beat them at their own game. The only way to annihilate fire is with a stronger blaze in this case.

Seriously, you sound like a ****ing B-movie villain. Cut that out.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
K.


Considering all knowledge is subject to humanity, this question can't be answered outside of that Poverty

See above. The above affirms my point that as humans we can never know if the nature that we're testing through science is fabricated.

The philosophies of religion are formed by transformative events in history and by the communication and discussion of the significance of said events, as well as the personal life experiences of billions. Religion is collaborative and based on interactions with nature. It is purely subjective, and it is perhaps best to be remain nuetral between religion and atheism when speaking objectively.



Things measurably change according to our only instrument, the 5 senses, when we dream. Its a fabrication of nature, which in and of itself may just be a trick reality plays on itself.

Which may in fact equate to nothing but a blindfold keeping us from realizing there's no individuality or past or nature, that it's all an alteration of perception.

You really need to read the third paragraph of the third post on the previous page.

Originally posted by Oneness
The ideology of an end-all, be-all understanding of anything (no matter how utterly specialized the area of research is) ---- is truly "thought-terminating". In the end it is a theory that could be replaced. So then, no end-all or be-all.

My whole issue with scientific atheism is, are we eliminating what isn't real (witchcraft), or are we just coming to momentary establishments of what may or may not be real? The issue is, in either case, you're taking a leap of faith in trusting the "human POV" because we have a way of testing, observing, and documenting the recurrent effects of our interactions with, or the interactions inherent in, nature.

Because what if nature is "an illusion"? What if time is truly non-linear and there is only the eternal now and our perspectives are merely being altered? What if individuality is also a trick? What if it's all just a rouse out of the banality of the omniscient nature of nature?

This is indeed psychobabble, but not gibberish. The difference between psychobabble and incoherent thought is simple: "crazy-talk" is going too far or trying to be on all ends of the spectrum simultaneously, incoherence comes from the inability to be anywhere or articulate or comprehend any idea. It is closer to incoherence to be rational than crazy in one way, and that is that the mad-man doesn't believe that he can't make anything coherent, he believes he can make sense of anything.

As I do.

Originally posted by The Renegade
Seriously, you sound like a ****ing B-movie villain. Cut that out. this is who I am and the way I write.

Originally posted by Oneness
this is who I am and the way I write.

I don't think it is. You'll move past it down the road, unless you get trapped in it, which is as equally possible.

I mean, if not more likely.

Originally posted by The Renegade
I don't think it is. You'll move past it down the road, unless you get trapped in it, which is as equally possible.

I mean, if not more likely.

I just hope he doesn't have a gun.

Originally posted by Oneness
I'm using the big wordscorrectly I lol'd.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I lol'd. I had to type most of last page and all of this page really fast on a Samsung phone. Auto-'corrected'.

Guys, Robert Greene tells me that correction is a means to herd the people I meet like sheep, and stuff. Time is like the sun's rotating axis, except it's all relative to evolution and how space is bigger than life or the "life" "concept" and how it "exists." It all ties into the complex and radiating philosophy of history and how God is a figment of humanity and not the individual.

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lol i dont know what the **** im on about

You're high as ballz, Sorgo. Pass that shit.

I've stepped into the avatar of Oneness, Lucien. I'm so high, I've pierced into a separate astral plane.

Not negating the effects of time history philosophy, of course. No need to do that, and stuff.

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That's so racist.

Relevant:

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So that's what you look like.

Fat **** needs to stop meditating and start doing a carb-free ketogenic diet and sprinting his ever-growing fat folds off.

Then he needs sativa and tequila and he needs to let his ******* subconscious out so he can actually get laid without acting like a vagina about it.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
So that's what you look like.
I'm not an atheist. Let alone a fedorafag.

Originally posted by Astner
I'm not an atheist. Let alone a fedorafag. This is why I'm glad to be hanging out too.

I can't afford to act like a fedorafag anymore, it's killing me. It will kil me one day.

That's a trilby.

Basically my agnostic theism is that God can not only forget that it's God by believing its me, but if I work well with the spirit when it sets up things for me to enjoy in life, it can experience through my eyes a joyous life.

BUT...All my live I've lived a pattern, blondes exactly 1 year younger than me have been the source of romance, and bringing together friends of mine who don't hang out with each other if it weren't for me.

And me being a free spirit, and not wanting to do something with my life but opting instead to having fun.

Oh, and getting my ass kicked when I try to instigate, but I'm always trying for that p$$y and trying to win that good fight with my buddies.

It's a way to live a fun life, trust me. God would love to be me, cause I have no complaints being a crazy roller-coaster just like my life.

But now I think it's time for me to start focusing on the big picture, so I can win the fights and get the friends and get the girl by not being so rambunctious and out of control.

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