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When the Superior Spider-Man had the symbiote temporarily bond with him, he caused mass mayhem and even took on the Avengers to the point Captain America was calling for urgent backup.

Thor was among those who was facing Spider-Man, but of course there were a lot of distractions and chaos all around them.

Here are scans from the fight:
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa440/sadisticjester/Random/venom.jpg
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa440/sadisticjester/Random/venom1.jpg
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa440/sadisticjester/Random/venom2.jpg
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa440/sadisticjester/Random/venom3.jpg
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa440/sadisticjester/Random/venom4.jpg
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa440/sadisticjester/Random/venom5.jpg
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa440/sadisticjester/Random/venom6.jpg
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa440/sadisticjester/Random/venom7.jpg
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa440/sadisticjester/Random/venom8.jpg
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa440/sadisticjester/Random/venom9.jpg
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa440/sadisticjester/Random/venom10.jpg


The fight ends with Spider-Man breaking free of the symbiote's control and thus ending the fight.

In a 1 on 1 fight to the finish (and Spider-Man ISN'T trying to break free from the symbiote's control), who takes the majority?

That was pure nonsense. Thor wins without breaking a sweat.

Hows it pure nonsense? Its canon.

Its funny how much Thor's stock has fallen. If a story demands, anybody can beat him now. Poor thorbags.

Originally posted by OnslaughtKILLS
Hows it pure nonsense? Its canon.
Shhh......Thor's low showings don't count here. Now if it was Superman, everybody and their grandmother would be crowing about it.

I know you were trying to insult Thor but that insult doesn't make much sense. Anyone can beat anyone if the story calls for it. Example:

Venom can and has beaten the crap out of Superman in a time when editorial was even more stringent with what was printed.

Anyways that fight was pretty terrible. The writer's reasoning on CBR was retarded too. Thor was holding back massively because he didn't want to hurt Peter or whatever. But holding back doesn't mean he'll suddenly become slow and stupid, not knowing how to block, land a punch, or control his lightning more accurately.

Anyways, Thor wins, no contest.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That's retarded. If a story calls for it, Venom can and has beaten the crap out of Superman......

Anyways that fight was pretty terrible. The writer's reasoning on CBR was retarded too. Thor was holding back massively because he didn't want to hurt Peter or whatever. But holding back doesn't mean he'll suddenly become slow and stupid, not knowing how to block, land a punch, or control his lightning.

Mid way through the fight, Thor exclaims he is done "holding back" and then gets his ass handed to him.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I know you were trying to insult Thor but that insult doesn't make much sense. Anyone can beat anyone if the story calls for it. Example:

Venom can and has beaten the crap out of Superman in a time when editorial was even more stringent with what was printed.

Anyways that fight was pretty terrible. The writer's reasoning on CBR was retarded too. Thor was holding back massively because he didn't want to hurt Peter or whatever. But holding back doesn't mean he'll suddenly become slow and stupid, not knowing how to block, land a punch, or control his lightning more accurately.

Anyways, Thor wins, no contest.
In a non-canon comic, where Jean Grey was beating Superman, Iceman was beating Hal Jordan, Bishop was beating J'onn, Jubilee beat Flash and so on. Counting that one would be like counting the time Cap knocked Hulk out. They are EXTREEEEEEEEEME outliers.

And Thor himself said he wasn't holding back in that fight.

srsly

And Thor is going to get his ass handed to him by Angela. I would like to see how you spin that one though.

Originally posted by OnslaughtKILLS
Mid way through the fight, Thor exclaims he is done "holding back" and then gets his ass handed to him.

All that means is the fight wasn't just bad, it was PIS. I guess a shield throw to the throat from Superior Venom should hurt, especially if Thor charges into it, but it's still dumb.

But I'm just telling you what I remember the writer saying.

Originally posted by OnslaughtKILLS
When the Superior Spider-Man had the symbiote temporarily bond with him, he caused mass mayhem and even took on the Avengers to the point Captain America was calling for urgent backup.

Thor was among those who was facing Spider-Man, but of course there were a lot of distractions and chaos all around them.

Here are scans from the fight:
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa440/sadisticjester/Random/venom.jpg
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa440/sadisticjester/Random/venom1.jpg
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa440/sadisticjester/Random/venom2.jpg
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa440/sadisticjester/Random/venom3.jpg
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa440/sadisticjester/Random/venom4.jpg
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa440/sadisticjester/Random/venom5.jpg
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa440/sadisticjester/Random/venom6.jpg
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa440/sadisticjester/Random/venom7.jpg
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa440/sadisticjester/Random/venom8.jpg
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa440/sadisticjester/Random/venom9.jpg
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa440/sadisticjester/Random/venom10.jpg


The fight ends with Spider-Man breaking free of the symbiote's control and thus ending the fight.

In a 1 on 1 fight to the finish (and Spider-Man ISN'T trying to break free from the symbiote's control), who takes the majority? Proper reading would have led you to the fact that they were playing with kid gloves, while the Superior Symbiote was going all out.
They were trying to subdue him after all.

So in other words...

Superior Venom 10/10?

celeyhyga17, Thor specifically says he is done holding back and Captain America calls for backup. Kid gloves? What are you talking about?

Originally posted by abhilegend
In a non-canon comic, where Jean Grey was beating Superman, Iceman was beating Hal Jordan, Bishop was beating J'onn, Jubilee beat Flash and so on. Counting that one would be like counting the time Cap knocked Hulk out. They are EXTREEEEEEEEEME outliers.

And Thor himself said he wasn't holding back in that fight.

srsly

Those are in a separate issue but I'm glad you suddenly understand that ANYONE can beat ANYONE if a comic calls for it.

Which means that you're attempt at taking a shot for Thor was not only horrible, but just flat out stupid in light of this fact.

Just telling you what happened.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
All that means is the fight wasn't just bad, it was PIS. I guess a shield throw to the throat from Superior Venom should hurt, especially if Thor charges into it, but it's still dumb.

But I'm just telling you what I remember the writer saying.


PIS? Are we back on that now?

Originally posted by OnslaughtKILLS
So in other words...

Superior Venom 10/10?



So this is one of THOSE threads?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Those are in a separate issue but I'm glad you suddenly understand that ANYONE can beat ANYONE if a comic calls for it.

Which means that you're attempt at taking a shot for Thor was not only horrible, but just flat out stupid in light of this fact.

Just telling you what happened.
Not like Thor. One instance out of literally thousands of appearances don't mean much for Superman. In contrast, there was a time when Thor was getting his ass handed to him every week. Random Badoon Fodder, anybody?

Your defense of Thor is laughable as always.

crylaugh

Originally posted by OnslaughtKILLS
celeyhyga17, Thor specifically says he is done holding back and Captain America calls for backup. Kid gloves? What are you talking about?
So you think this Venom can beat this team if they stopped beating around the bush?

Originally posted by abhilegend


PIS? Are we back on that now?

Yes.

You can still use it as a reference if you want, I don't particularly care, but if you think that was indicative of an all-out Thor, then I can't even really take it seriously.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


So this is one of THOSE threads?
Where we go on actual comic fights?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes.

You can still use it as a reference if you want, I don't particularly care, but if you think that was indicative of an all-out Thor, then I can't even really take it seriously.

Yes, when Thor specifically says he himself is not holding back then I think that's more then indicative enough

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes.

You can still use it as a reference if you want, I don't particularly care, but if you think that was indicative of an all-out Thor, then I can't even really take it seriously.
Hahaha.

Why Rage? Now when its on Thor, its suddenly not usable? Take it like a man and accept your guy got chumped, hardcore.

The trolling is strong here. And trolling is actually the good option. The alternative is that they're flat out retarded.

A non-holding back Thor wins 10/10.

Yes, trolling is definitely strong here. No one is answering the question asked in the original post, just an analysis of the pages I use as a reference

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hahaha.

Why Rage? Now when its on Thor, its suddenly not usable? Take it like a man and accept your guy got chumped, hardcore.

I literally said that you can use it if you want in the very post you quoted.....

Are....are you dyslexic?

Originally posted by Silent Master
A non-holding back Thor wins 10/10.

Thor wasn't holding back mid-way through the fight and he got his ass handed to him, why such certainty? I'd be lying if I said I wasn't confused.

Originally posted by Damborgson
The trolling is strong here. And trolling is actually the good option. The alternative is that they're flat out retarded.
Love the smell of hate. There's nothing like it.

http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa440/sadisticjester/Random/lout.jpg

Because it seems like some people in this threat are missing it.

Originally posted by OnslaughtKILLS
Thor wasn't holding back mid-way through the fight and he got his ass handed to him, why such certainty? I'd be lying if I said I wasn't confused.

Feats >>>>>>>>>>> character statements and by feats it's clear that Thor wasn't even close to going all out during that fight; don't be a quan.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Feats >>>>>>>>>>> character statements and by feats it's clear that Thor wasn't even close to going all out during that fight; don't be a quan.

You're acting like I'm showing a Stilt Man feat. This is Venom we're talking about, he's no pushover.

In the past he's taken on the Juggernaut, Ghost Rider, the Hulk, the Sinister Six, the Thing, and plenty more. Not to mention, and yes it can be HEAVILY argued as a moot point but the writers/publishers of both Marvel AND DC pit Venom against Superman clearly because they thought he was at his level. And that's all with an inferior host (Eddie Brock).

Yes, Venom's feats are ALL over the place but this is unique. Spider-Man mentions in the fight his strength is growing every moment and its been shown time and time again when the symbiote is on a host whose mind is chaotic and driven, the symbiote flourishes. Considering how its back in its original host (Spider-Man) + the unadulterated mind of Doc Ock, it can definitely be argued that the symbiote is at the strongest point its ever been.

And how many times do I have to reference it? No matter what you guys say, Thor ADMITTED he was going all out. And this isn't some small time issue that publishers and editors skip over, this appeared in Spider-Man's main ongoing during one of his biggest sagas, it definitely was not overlooked. Issues of this stature have to be approved and approved again.

None of that disproves what I said.

Originally posted by OnslaughtKILLS
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa440/sadisticjester/Random/lout.jpg

Because it seems like some people in this threat are missing it.
Thor makes a statement towards the end of the encounter. He then throws Cap's shield at his neck making him stagger. Tony chimes in with a distraction in order for Flash to swoop in with an IM suit. Then finished... Let's also add that all the while the team was giving him chances to stop.


So from this one showing, you believe Venom wins big disregarding all who Thor has beaten, gone up against, and his penchant for holding back against those he perceives may be weaker than him.

Sir the fail in you is hard.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tr3GazkJM74/UdAFcRThuvI/AAAAAAAABW0/qJ9JPsssXpo/s334/Boating-fail-crash-party-hard.gif

Thor explicitly stating he wasn't going to hold back anymore, then getting his ass handed to him, doesn't disprove what you're saying?

Originally posted by OnslaughtKILLS
Thor explicitly stating he wasn't going to hold back anymore, then getting his ass handed to him, doesn't disprove what you're saying?
So after Thor makes his statement, he gets caught off guard with a shield throw to the neck knocking him down. You now easily equate that to "getting his ass handed to him".

You know the more you continue with unintelligent statements makes you look that much stupider. Might as well stop commenting because you will only lose credibility in these forums. Remember you have yourself only to blame.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
So after Thor makes his statement, he gets caught off guard with a shield throw to the neck knocking him down. You now easily equate that to "getting his ass handed to him".

You know the more you continue with unintelligent statements makes you look that much stupider. Might as well stop commenting because you will only lose credibility in these forums. Remember you have yourself only to blame.

Oy.

You do know Thor wasn't the only participant here, correct? Not to mention, can Thor weaken the power of his electrical blasts? Can you weaken lightning if you summon it? Even if he can and even if he was holding back, why would he purposefully make himself slower? That wouldn't equate or make sense, unless Thor is that dumb and I don't think he is, and throughout the fight the Superior Venom out-maneuvered him every step of the way.

He used Thor's lightning against him and blocked/dodged Thor's punches/hammer. He displayed easily that his own punches hurt Thor (even if Thor was holding back, its not like he can make his own defenses weaker, with one punch Thor was clearly staggered). At no point in the fight was the Superior Venom even phased by Thor even while he was being helped by the Avengers.

This already happened and Thor lost.uhuh

This is one of the single most retarded threads that I have ever seen. Thor wrecks 10/10.

Originally posted by deathslash
This is one of the single most retarded threads that I have ever seen. Thor wrecks 10/10.

Yeah, except when he has the opportunity to prove so and fails decisively. Couldn't even land a blow, how impressive. Stories of such a success will be told throughout Valhalla for centuries!!

Originally posted by OnslaughtKILLS
Yeah, except when he has the opportunity to prove so and fails decisively. Couldn't even land a blow, how impressive. Stories of such a success will be told throughout Valhalla for centuries!! I can't tell if you're trolling or just stupid, so I'm going to suggest that you stop while you're ahead before you get temp banned.

Originally posted by OnslaughtKILLS
Oy.

You do know Thor wasn't the only participant here, correct? Not to mention, can Thor weaken the power of his electrical blasts? Can you weaken lightning if you summon it? Even if he can and even if he was holding back, why would he purposefully make himself slower? That wouldn't equate or make sense, unless Thor is that dumb and I don't think he is, and throughout the fight the Superior Venom out-maneuvered him every step of the way.

He used Thor's lightning against him and blocked/dodged Thor's punches/hammer. He displayed easily that his own punches hurt Thor (even if Thor was holding back, its not like he can make his own defenses weaker, with one punch Thor was clearly staggered). At no point in the fight was the Superior Venom even phased by Thor even while he was being helped by the Avengers.
He has cauterized wounds and shot holes through multiversal beings with lightning shots. So yes. He has full control of hi lightning's intensity.

In regards to holding back, it is well documented the sort of night and day turnaround that he exhibits when his mindset changes. He goes from a tank everything punching bag, to an outright world beater. He's done this against powerful beings such as Perrikus, Mangog, list goes on.

I'm probably the third biggest Spidey fan here and I acc liked the Superior arc and Superior Venom gets his shit pushed in here
Retard thread/10

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
I'm probably the third biggest Spidey fan here

No, you are not.

Who is?

Digi, Parm, Sam, Kid Kurdy, h1, Mindset...

Black Panther vs Surfer and Panther gets a free shot.
Who wins?
We have on pannel evidence after all

Just accept that Surfer got chumped! It's right there on panel!

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I literally said that you can use it if you want in the very post you quoted.....

Are....are you dyslexic?
Heh, I knew how you said it was a little off.

But don't worry, going all out Thor wins maybe 3/10.

Originally posted by Warlord
Black Panther vs Surfer and Panther gets a free shot.
Who wins?
We have on pannel evidence after all Originally posted by Damborgson
Just accept that Surfer got chumped! It's right there on panel!
Apparently surfer was holding back all the time.

BUENO HE'S BOUND

He was holding back back vs. mexicans, too, so they could have their way with him...

Also, forget Venom. A hallucinating Spidey took on the same Thor who appeared in Blood and Thunder along with several heroes and KTFO him.

http://i.imgur.com/h5j0RDl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/uK8ppel.jpg

Man, Superior Venom must've been holding back massively. Just look at how spidey stopped Thor's hammer shot.

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/16abhireallygay.jpg

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/15abhifag.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/16abhifag.jpg

Web of Spider-Man #14 and #15.

Posting scans of some weird "soul-scape" hallucination or whatever. This shit is just sad.

It's just comics man, no need to take this so personally.

That's actually Thor on Goddess' World. And its Web of Spider-Man 105. Spidey was hallucinating and running away from Goddess' lackeys and taking them for his enemies. I could post the whole comic if you like though.


Ask mungi, those are his scans.
Originally posted by -K-M-
ORLY?

1. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/WebofSpider-Man105-13-1.jpg
2. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/WebofSpider-Man105-14-1.jpg

Spider-Man didn't even know it was Thor and the others he was fighting. He thought it was his friends and family thanks to Moondragon.

And as a confirmation, here is a bio confiming that Spidey did fight Goddess' followers in 104 which lead into the isue 105.

http://i.imgur.com/dQpK8vy.jpg

Bran is so filled with hate, its not even funny. What can I expect from a surfer and Thanos fangirl though?

Also shut the **** up.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's actually Thor on Goddess' World. And its Web of Spider-Man 105. Spidey was hallucinating and running away from Goddess' lackeys and taking them for his enemies. I could post the whole comic if you like though.

Ask mungi, those are his scans.


And as a confirmation, here is a bio confiming that Spidey did fight Goddess' followers in 104 which lead into the isue 105.

http://i.imgur.com/dQpK8vy.jpg

Bran is so filled with hate, its not even funny. What can I expect from a surfer and Thanos fangirl though?

Oops, 104 and 105.

I posted the scans and said my piece. Frankly, at this point, I don't even know why I bothered. No one on this or any board believes anything you say anymore.

But if you want to post every single page of the comic, go ahead.

I'm not questioning the fight (Not that bios are conclusive of anything in the first place), but how real it was. As in, not very.

What kind of nonsense is that? You made a claim and now are bringing up a completely different poster. How about you just stop posting sketchy shit?

But whatever, I've said my piece and referenced the evidence and source material so I'm done with this particular discussion.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Also shut the **** up.

Lol. I don't want to?

Not sure how you possibly thought this was an acceptable post. It just makes you look dumb.....

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Oops, 104 and 105.

I posted the scans and said my piece. Frankly, at this point, I don't even know why I bothered. No one on this or any board believes anything you say anymore. Only you and bran. And I couldn't care less about what you or bran think.



I doubt that will change anything in your mind though.

It was very real. Goddess had sent several heroes to stop Spidey while Moondragon was messing with his mind. That's why he is fighting his enemies in his mind but actually they were heroes Goddess sent.

Its not just me who has posted that, just like you used Bran's scans and claims here. How about you stop whining and actually read the damn comic?

Haha, run away rage. And you didn't even said anything, you're just parroting bran. Such a fangirl you are.



Matters little.

But you are actually dumb to believe whatever hate filled post Bran was making. Go read the ****ing comic rage.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Digi, Parm, Sam, Kid Kurdy, h1, Mindset... THIRD? I'm third? I'm gonna slap you..

Thor wins this.

Originally posted by OnslaughtKILLS
Thor wasn't holding back mid-way through the fight and he got his ass handed to him, why such certainty? I'd be lying if I said I wasn't confused.

Do you truly believe, 100%, that Thor was truly not holding back? Based on other stuff that he has done.

If so, then this thread is a nonstarter, and you've made a spite thread. Because despite Thor going all out, he had his ass handed to him by Venom.

If not, then this thread is a nonstarter, and you've made a spite thread. Because when Thor goes all out, he wrecks.

Originally posted by SamZED
THIRD? I'm third? I'm gonna slap you..



That list was in no particular order, relax

When Thor goes all out he wrecks... cept all those times he doesn't.

So when he DOES wreck.....are you ignoring those?

No, and I am not a Thor-hater. I'm Marvel all day every day so its funny how presumptuous people can be.

I feel like people are acting like I am making a claim that the Walrus can beat Thor, hell I didn't even state that the Superior Venom can beat Thor, I made the thread and asked the question.

Do I think the Superior Venom is a match for Thor? Well, lets look at the facts.

-We know that the symbiote's strengths are influenced greatly on the host. Some hosts make the symbiote stronger and some hosts make the symbiote weaker. It can very well be argued that the symbiote on the Superior Spider-Man is the strongest incarnation to date. And throughout the fight I mentioned, the Superior Venom was gaining strength and speed.

-It can be argued, aside from Superior Spider-Man, Eddie Brock resulted in the strongest Venom incarnation. His feats are so incredibly varied its hard to pin point how strong he is/how his defenses are. I believe his worst appearance was when Ben Urich literally turned his lighter on and it made Venom run away. A freaking lighter. In contrast to that, there's been scenes where Venom has been surrounded by scorching fire and still was able to do things like lift a building. Fire aside, he has ALWAYS been extremely durable. He's laughed off hits from the Juggernaut, the Thing (who he beat), Ghost Rider, Hulk. It can be assumed Thor would not be able to use his weakness against him anyway.

-At Venom's prime, both publishers and writers of Marvel and DC pit Venom against Superman in a crossover. Yes, its not canon but that doesn't negate the fact both creative teams put Venom on par with Superman. Who has better authority then the writers and publishers of both teams? Again, not to say Eddie Brock's Venom can take on Superman, but it shows how strong they thought Venom was at his prime (same time period he took on Juggernaut).

http://img15.photobucket.com/albums/v44/guyverjay/Thor_44801.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/36657/1342903-thorvsspiderman.jpg


Obviously not Thor Thor, but Spider-Man has always been shown to be faster and more agile then Thor. This is greatly increased by the symbiote (and throughout the fight, he showed he was much faster and more versatile then Thor). Not to mention, unlike Eddie Brock's Venom, the Superior Venom has a spider-sense.

So we can definitively say Spider-Man (and with the symbiote, this is tenfold) is faster then Thor. It would be very hard for Thor to even land a blow against him, let alone pummel him with ease (as many people in this thread claim he would do).

Although the symbiote is essentially controlling him, he clearly has access to Doc Ock's genius brain. Time and time again, the Superior Spider-Man has shown to be much more tactful and resourceful then Thor.

Can the Superior Venom take on Thor? Maybe. He was shown to take on the Avengers without being inflicted any damage, and towards the end of the fight (no matter what anyone says in this thread), Thor was fighting at his full potential.

I see your point, which is to ignore what is essentially the ENTIRETY of Thor's respect thread, and use his one showing.

Based on the Thor as depicted in the scans you showed, yes, Venom can win.

Based on Thor's absolute best showings, when he's at his full potential?

Since, we are taking statements as gospel, do you think Venom can replicate a blow that could shatter diamonds? Even if he could, it only makes him blink:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorDurability36401Blunt.jpg

And can move like the lightning he commands:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed20InfinityWatch23.jpg

Of course, since you are taking your character statements as gospel, mine can also be taken as gospel, right?

Actually, you know what? Here's a respect thread:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t522796.html

I'd like to point out, however, that Ock when in Spidey's body, showed he was weaker, AND had a less effective Spidey sense than Peter.

Here's probably the best example. Thor says that he used the 'full force of Mjolnir'. It has zero effect:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorRestraint07Annualv21.jpg

But wait! A few panels later, he does the EXACT SAME THING. Guess what? KO.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorRestraint08.jpg

IOW, what Thor says and what he actually does are two very different things. He may say he's not holding back, but as we have seen, there is a precedent.

Full power of the hammer is not the same as the full power of Thor.

Do you know what the inscription on Mjolnir says?

Regardless, the point still stands. We've seen it in so many stories - the hero 'gives it his all', loses, then has a sudden second wind and stomps.

so what tier is Thor now after this well documented analysis that we all have to accept?
High meta maybe?
Or is it Venom herald level?

Originally posted by Warlord
so what tier is Thor now

He's always been below street.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He's always been below street.


He's sewer level.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Here's probably the best example. Thor says that he used the 'full force of Mjolnir'. It has zero effect:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorRestraint07Annualv21.jpg

But wait! A few panels later, he does the EXACT SAME THING. Guess what? KO.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorRestraint08.jpg

IOW, what Thor says and what he actually does are two very different things. He may say he's not holding back, but as we have seen, there is a precedent.
There is some context involved in that. Thor was traumatized after killing Bor, so he was instinctively pulling his shots. It was a one issue deal, not a general trait of Thor.

this thread

Any thread with thor

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Any thread with abhi

Fixed

Abhil vs Rage is so 1990s now.

Get a room and have hardcore sex.

Originally posted by OnslaughtKILLS
No, and I am not a Thor-hater. I'm Marvel all day every day so its funny how presumptuous people can be.

I feel like people are acting like I am making a claim that the Walrus can beat Thor, hell I didn't even state that the Superior Venom can beat Thor, I made the thread and asked the question.

Do I think the Superior Venom is a match for Thor? Well, lets look at the facts.

-We know that the symbiote's strengths are influenced greatly on the host. Some hosts make the symbiote stronger and some hosts make the symbiote weaker. It can very well be argued that the symbiote on the Superior Spider-Man is the strongest incarnation to date. And throughout the fight I mentioned, the Superior Venom was gaining strength and speed.

-It can be argued, aside from Superior Spider-Man, Eddie Brock resulted in the strongest Venom incarnation. His feats are so incredibly varied its hard to pin point how strong he is/how his defenses are. I believe his worst appearance was when Ben Urich literally turned his lighter on and it made Venom run away. A freaking lighter. In contrast to that, there's been scenes where Venom has been surrounded by scorching fire and still was able to do things like lift a building. Fire aside, he has ALWAYS been extremely durable. He's laughed off hits from the Juggernaut, the Thing (who he beat), Ghost Rider, Hulk. It can be assumed Thor would not be able to use his weakness against him anyway.

-At Venom's prime, both publishers and writers of Marvel and DC pit Venom against Superman in a crossover. Yes, its not canon but that doesn't negate the fact both creative teams put Venom on par with Superman. Who has better authority then the writers and publishers of both teams? Again, not to say Eddie Brock's Venom can take on Superman, but it shows how strong they thought Venom was at his prime (same time period he took on Juggernaut).

http://img15.photobucket.com/albums/v44/guyverjay/Thor_44801.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/36657/1342903-thorvsspiderman.jpg


Obviously not Thor Thor, but Spider-Man has always been shown to be faster and more agile then Thor. This is greatly increased by the symbiote (and throughout the fight, he showed he was much faster and more versatile then Thor). Not to mention, unlike Eddie Brock's Venom, the Superior Venom has a spider-sense.

So we can definitively say Spider-Man (and with the symbiote, this is tenfold) is faster then Thor. It would be very hard for Thor to even land a blow against him, let alone pummel him with ease (as many people in this thread claim he would do).

Although the symbiote is essentially controlling him, he clearly has access to Doc Ock's genius brain. Time and time again, the Superior Spider-Man has shown to be much more tactful and resourceful then Thor.

Can the Superior Venom take on Thor? Maybe. He was shown to take on the Avengers without being inflicted any damage, and towards the end of the fight (no matter what anyone says in this thread), Thor was fighting at his full potential.

I understand what you're saying, but when it comes to Thor cutting loose in an open environment, where he can gain altitude and unleash barrage after barrage against a grounded opponent that has a weakness to heat, Spider-Venom kind of loses badly here. Lightning is hot, really hot, and really fast. The symbiote would be flash fried against Thor going to extremes against him if he was hit. The key word is "if" because like you pointed out, Spider Man has a chance to evade exposure. Another question is how long would he be able to evade?

I do agree that he would give Thor a challenge based on the scans that you presented when this thread began, but that would be in a closed in environment. I'm going on what I saw in those scans, and like it or not they are canon, so....

Originally posted by Warlord
so what tier is Thor now after this well documented analysis that we all have to accept?
High meta maybe?
Or is it Venom herald level?

Depending on who the symbiote is attached to, perhaps. I mean if the symbiote somehow became attached to Namor, Hulk, Ikaris... etc it would likely become quite a threat. It was hinted on during a What If many years ago that it does change power levels depending on the host. So, OnslaughtKILLS isn't saying anything that hasn't appeared in some form or another concerning this.

Thor stomps.

I'll play along.

Let's ignore all those showings which support Venom not even being able to hurt Thor or the Odinson effortlessly killing him.

What can Venom do if Thor, I don't know, decides to fly up? And then proceed to use Mjolnir or just annihilate everything as far as the eye can see with an aoe attack or blast?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'll play along.

Let's ignore all those showings which support Venom not even being able to hurt Thor or the Odinson effortlessly killing him.

What can Venom do if Thor, I don't know, decides to fly up? And then proceed to use Mjolnir or just annihilate everything as far as the eye can see with an aoe attack or blast?

Not a damn thing brother. It would be a closer match based on the scans if they fought in a closet though.

Originally posted by Damborgson
The trolling is strong here. And trolling is actually the good option. The alternative is that they're flat out retarded.
QFT

Originally posted by OnslaughtKILLS
Thor wasn't holding back mid-way through the fight and he got his ass handed to him, why such certainty? I'd be lying if I said I wasn't confused.
I getting knocked down is getting your ass handed to you, then a lot of heroes have had their ass handed to him a billion time sover by gusy a lot weaker than them

Didn't this fight already happen on panel?

Yup. In the OP. OP wanted to know what would've happened if the fight continued, without Spidey regaining control.

General consensus is that Superior Venom would've died.

Originally posted by OnslaughtKILLS
No, and I am not a Thor-hater. I'm Marvel all day every day so its funny how presumptuous people can be.

I feel like people are acting like I am making a claim that the Walrus can beat Thor, hell I didn't even state that the Superior Venom can beat Thor, I made the thread and asked the question.

Do I think the Superior Venom is a match for Thor? Well, lets look at the facts.

-We know that the symbiote's strengths are influenced greatly on the host. Some hosts make the symbiote stronger and some hosts make the symbiote weaker. It can very well be argued that the symbiote on the Superior Spider-Man is the strongest incarnation to date. And throughout the fight I mentioned, the Superior Venom was gaining strength and speed.

-It can be argued, aside from Superior Spider-Man, Eddie Brock resulted in the strongest Venom incarnation. His feats are so incredibly varied its hard to pin point how strong he is/how his defenses are. I believe his worst appearance was when Ben Urich literally turned his lighter on and it made Venom run away. A freaking lighter. In contrast to that, there's been scenes where Venom has been surrounded by scorching fire and still was able to do things like lift a building. Fire aside, he has ALWAYS been extremely durable. He's laughed off hits from the Juggernaut, the Thing (who he beat), Ghost Rider, Hulk. It can be assumed Thor would not be able to use his weakness against him anyway.

-At Venom's prime, both publishers and writers of Marvel and DC pit Venom against Superman in a crossover. Yes, its not canon but that doesn't negate the fact both creative teams put Venom on par with Superman. Who has better authority then the writers and publishers of both teams? Again, not to say Eddie Brock's Venom can take on Superman, but it shows how strong they thought Venom was at his prime (same time period he took on Juggernaut).

http://img15.photobucket.com/albums/v44/guyverjay/Thor_44801.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/36657/1342903-thorvsspiderman.jpg


Obviously not Thor Thor, but Spider-Man has always been shown to be faster and more agile then Thor. This is greatly increased by the symbiote (and throughout the fight, he showed he was much faster and more versatile then Thor). Not to mention, unlike Eddie Brock's Venom, the Superior Venom has a spider-sense.

So we can definitively say Spider-Man (and with the symbiote, this is tenfold) is faster then Thor. It would be very hard for Thor to even land a blow against him, let alone pummel him with ease (as many people in this thread claim he would do).

Although the symbiote is essentially controlling him, he clearly has access to Doc Ock's genius brain. Time and time again, the Superior Spider-Man has shown to be much more tactful and resourceful then Thor.

Can the Superior Venom take on Thor? Maybe. He was shown to take on the Avengers without being inflicted any damage, and towards the end of the fight (no matter what anyone says in this thread), Thor was fighting at his full potential.

Versatile? Seriously, Venom's more versatile than Thor? You must be smoking something strong.
Venom beat thing? I don't remember that. He only managed to insert his tongue into thing's throat who spit it out afterwards
Ghost Rider-dunno
Hulk-he got destroyed against Hulk. He able to do pretty much nothing against him before being nearly liquidised by Hulk's thunderclap
Against Juggernaut, untill he took in that chemical, things went badly for him
Thor doesn't have to touch him going all out. That's what his winds are for. He can summon class 5 storms you know?

Originally posted by Warlord
so what tier is Thor now after this well documented analysis that we all have to accept?
High meta maybe?
Or is it Venom herald level?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He's always been below street.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17


He's sewer level.

hysterical

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yup. In the OP. OP wanted to know what would've happened if the fight continued, without Spidey regaining control.

General consensus is that Superior Venom would've died.

How though when he had the advantage going by on panel showing? No one could hit him.

Lol @ this thread. The haters are adorable.

Originally posted by carver9
How though when he had the advantage going by on panel showing? No one could hit him.

Because Thor, despite his words, is capable of much more. Flight, for example.

And because we disregard PIS. So once it moves out of the realms of the comic, and onto the forums, Thor wrecks shops.

Put it this way; contrast this fight with the one with Nuul.

Going by on-panel showings, Thor has much more to give.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because Thor, despite his words, is capable of much more. Flight, for example.

And because we disregard PIS. So once it moves out of the realms of the comic, and onto the forums, Thor wrecks shops.

Put it this way; contrast this fight with the one with Nuul.

Going by on-panel showings, Thor has much more to give.

The Nul example isn't a good example though. Nul was an idiot that didn't fight back (look at his fight against Ms. Marvel).

I'm looking at that fight. Thor used lightning, which he dodged due to his Spider sense and speed. Thor used brute force which he dodged again due to his Spider sense. The only thing that is missing is a tornado.

Originally posted by carver9
The Nul example isn't a good example though. Nul was an idiot that didn't fight back (look at his fight against Ms. Marvel).

I'm looking at that fight. Thor used lightning, which he dodged due to his Spider sense and speed. Thor used brute force which he dodged again due to his Spider sense. The only thing that is missing is a tornado.

Originally posted by carver9
What if I provide scans of Thor withstanding Celestial power...that should give him the opportunity to unleash an attack, even if Superman used his speed?

Post scans of Thor withstanding Celestial power. Then argue against yourself lol. Are you seriously going to contend that...Venom (who isn't really superior in terms of strength; remember Ock was unable to replicate Spiderman's strength feats due to his lack of heart force) with Cap's shield > Celestials?

I am planning on just replying to you with your own quotes lol.

Read the scans shown by OP. Now compare it to this:
http://i46.tinypic.com/241mej9.jpg

I was being sarcastic to you...basically using your twisted way of debating. I don't think it takes Celestial power to hurt Thor.

Thor fought out of character against Nul. He explained why in the scan before that.

Originally posted by carver9
I was being sarcastic to you...basically using your twisted way of debating. I don't think it takes Celestial power to hurt Thor.

Thor fought out of character against Nul. He explained why in the scan before that.

Yeah, and we saw how that turned out - you fled after being shown up. Again.

But you HAVE scans of Thor withstanding Celestial power, right?

So which is the PIS? Thor withstanding Celestial power (your words) or being taken out by Venom and Cap's shield? They both CAN'T be right, can they?

Just in case you forgot your opinion on Thor:

Originally posted by carver9
This fight could go either way. Two of the most powerful Heralds in comics but if I had to choose i would go with Thor.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, and we saw how that turned out - you fled after being shown up. Again.

But you HAVE scans of Thor withstanding Celestial power, right?

So which is the PIS? Thor withstanding Celestial power (your words) or being taken out by Venom and Cap's shield? They both CAN'T be right, can they?

When did i flee? What thread?

I do have scans of Thor withstanding Celestial power but there's no need for me to post it. I never gave my opinion on who'll win. I just said this was already done and Thor wasn't looking so great.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Just in case you forgot your opinion on Thor:

Thor is the most powerful Herald. What does that have to do with this thread though.

So IYO, it wasn't PIS, and Venom with shield > the most powerful herald?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So IYO, it wasn't PIS, and Venom with shield > the most powerful herald?

Never gave my opinion on the fight. Said that it happened on panel. I dont think of Thor as completely invulnerable though and per Venom own words, his power was growing. So we have no define strength level of said character when he hit that shield across that throat.

Originally posted by carver9
Never gave my opinion on the fight. Said that it happened on panel. I d in t think of Thor as completely invulnerable though and per Venom own words, his power was growing. So we have no define strength level of said character when he hit that shield across that throat.

So.....what is your point? Answer the question in the OP, if you please.

IYO, does this mean the strength level of Venom was > Celestials, then?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So.....what is your point? Answer the question in the OP, if you please.

IYO, does this mean the strength level of Venom was > Celestials, then?

99% of the people that Thor fight isn't close to the power level of a Celestial. Don't know why you keep bringing that fight up.

So the Celestial was an outlier? Gotcha. I'll remember this so that the next time you bring it up, I'll have it ready lol. Soon, my carverbot will be complete, able to hold entire conversations with you using posts you have made.

That's by the by, I guess. What's your answer to the OP?

Originally posted by carver9
How though when he had the advantage going by on panel showing? No one could hit him.
So wait..

You think Superior Venom takes a majority here?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So the Celestial was an outlier? Gotcha. I'll remember this so that the next time you bring it up, I'll have it ready lol. Soon, my carverbot will be complete, able to hold entire conversations with you using posts you have made.

That's by the by, I guess. What's your answer to the OP?

Lol...your carver bot isn't near complete. I brought the Celestial argument up as a counter for your argument. It doesnt belong here.

Sure it does.

So. What. Is. Your. Answer. To. The. OP?

Whatever happened on panel.

Originally posted by carver9
Whatever happened on panel.

Why are you acting like quan?

Originally posted by carver9
Whatever happened on panel.

Lol. Have you even read the OP?




The fight was never finished, ON PANEL. They weren't fighting 1 on 1, ON PANEL. Spider-man WAS trying to break free, ON PANEL.

So, no, we can't go by what happened on panel, as the 1on1 fight to the end was never shown.

So answer it, otherwise you're just derailing the thread. I've given my opinion on it already, and you can search the rest of the thread for it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. Have you even read the OP?




The fight was never finished, ON PANEL. They weren't fighting 1 on 1, ON PANEL. Spider-man WAS trying to break free, ON PANEL.

So, no, we can't go by what happened on panel, as the 1on1 fight to the end was never shown.

So answer it, otherwise you're just derailing the thread. I've given my opinion on it already, and you can search the rest of the thread for it.

Thor wins.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Why are you acting like quan?

Lol...Quan ignores what happens on panel. Me and Dark been going back and forth for days. I'm trying to point something out to him but he isn't catching it.

What, how only I use collateral damage in my arguments? I think we debunked that.

How I debate characters off their powersets? We have debunked that.

How I lowball? Also debunked.

Terrible thread. People need to realize the line between CIS and actual fighting. The avengers were trying to neutralize Superior Venom because Mary Jane contacted the avengers and told them to help break Spiderman free of the symbiote because the symbiote has trapped and consumed Doc Ock. He was no longer in control. Again they were trying to subdue the Superior Spiderman since he is an ally. If you actually read the story you would know that... Don't look at that little shuffle and think Superior Venom would actual give Thor a good fight. Thor would easily kill Superior Venom with one attack tbh.