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What hero could you never see going to the dark side, what villain would never turn hero, no matter how clever the writer?

I've been surprised over the years by characters like Eddie Brock and Hal Jordan, but there are some heroes and villains that just cant be done, i think.

Hero wise, Captain America will never turn villain. He's gone against the government before, but he'll never get into the world take over business. No way.

Villain wise an easy pick is Cap's arch foe, Red Skull. Red Skull. I dont think i even need to elaborate on that one.

Sabertooth

I agree, though he was written pretty well as a hero in AoA.
I mean it took re-writing history, but it worked.

inb4 abhi says superman

Logan is pretty much a straight arrow.

Originally posted by 8swords
inb4 abhi says superman
LOL!

Originally posted by golem370
Logan is pretty much a straight arrow.
Yeah, he really is.

Henshaw...

Completely beyond redemption; he can NEVER become a hero...

Ben Grimm wouldnt go villain.

And The Joker would never become a hero

Never ever seen captain america go over to the dark side, so him.

Negan and the Governor from walking dead looks really irredemable as far as villains go.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Henshaw...

Completely beyond redemption; he can NEVER become a hero...
Wouldnt have thought of him in a million years, but yeah!

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
Ben Grimm wouldnt go villain.

And The Joker would never become a hero

Ultron villain forever

Hero: Optimus Prime

Villain: Marquis of Death

Hero: Superman, Captain America, Punisher

Villain: Joker, Darkseid, Carnage

Hank Pym, if losing nearly all his friends & wife at the same time while they all thought he was a crazy & a villain didnt make him turn his back nothing will.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Punisher
Surprised no one called you on this.
Spot on, though. Frank's incorruptible.

Hero: Optimus Prime

Its like he was....made to be a hero!

The Clow from Spwan could never become a hero.

Clown on Spawn

The Violator, baby!!!

Doctor Doom

Doom's always come off as pretty noble to me. Just obsessed with Richards to the detriment of everything else.
I've posted with a lot folks who think taking Richards out of Doom's equation would result in Doom being a hero. Or at least heroIC.

Joker, by far.

For heroes I'd have to think about it.

Martian Manhunter if you exclude the Fernus part of him.

I would've said Joker as well but the Killing Joke sort of ruined it. Because apparently having a villain who is evil just for the fuk of it or because he enjoys it is way too boring, always has to be some sort of excuse behind it.

Originally posted by riv6672
Doom's always come off as pretty noble to me. Just obsessed with Richards to the detriment of everything else.
I've posted with a lot folks who think taking Richards out of Doom's equation would result in Doom being a hero. Or at least heroIC.

Doom is more someone who presents himself as noble, but when push comes to shove he'll do some very low stuff to satisfy his goals and pride, even not related to Reed Richards.

That said, he's not the worst out there, and Doom2099 was a more mature, less petty Doom who really was good for the world.

Pym

Pym's definitely gone through some some stuff, and come out stronger for it.

Batman & Joker, funnily enough.

Not really. I basically did the same in the OP.

Carnage for villians, heroes would be Parker in every reality he's heroic

Colossus
Thing
Thor
Hercules
She Hulk
Daredevil

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Carnage for villians, heroes would be Parker in every reality he's heroic QFT


Although iirc there was one where Pete went evil. Ironically it happened because uncle Ben in that reality didn't die.

Superman, because people have to come up with retarded ways to make him "evil" or push him over the edge that make no sense.

I would have said Cyclops before 2008, but that was ****ed.

Villains?

Joker, Sinister, Henshaw.

Originally posted by SamZED
QFT


Although iirc there was one where Pete went evil. Ironically it happened because uncle Ben in that reality didn't die.

You qft you troll

Originally posted by SamZED
QFT


Although iirc there was one where Pete went evil. Ironically it happened because uncle Ben in that reality didn't die.
Spidey Carnage?
Or was he TAS only?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
You qft you troll Lol what did I do?

Originally posted by Estacado
Spidey Carnage?
Or was he TAS only? That was TAS. There was a Spidey/Deadpool/Hulk mini where they go to alt reality and Spider-man of that universe has been stealing powers from Spider-men of other realities. And it was uncle Ben's idea. If i remember it right.

Doom is incorruptible and irredeemable.

That post was lazy AND accurate.

For heroe's that would never go bad - gonna have to say Nightwing. Consistanly shown in the DCU to be the standard, him and Superman anyway.

Villians - a guy who will never be good is Taskmaster, you csn pay him to do anything but at his core there is nothing - good or evil.

Taskmaster's pretty damn amoral. I would never buy him ss a good guy. He's too Randy Orton-ish.
Superb call on Nightwing. If he ever went bad, he knows enough to take out people left and right, though.

Pre-zero hour Mon-El. The guy had spent 1000 years in phantom zone dying where most people go mad in a matter of days, had his own family spurn him, watched the closest being he called a brother die in his arms, seen his beloved Shadow Lass die several times and has died and reborn as a puppet of Time Trapper. And he still is the greatest hero the legion has ever seen. Infallible, incorruptible, righteous and one who can make the hardest decisions any hero has ever made.

Originally posted by abhilegend
There come a point in every hero's career when its hard for them to take a certain decision as there would be dire consequences to it. For example

In one of the greatest comics ever, Mon-El kills Time-trapper and erases entire 31st century

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/11227125_m1.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/11227126_m2.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/11227127_m3.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/11227128_m4.jpg

So, what are some other toughest decisions our heroes have made?

Excellent pick and scans to match. Very underrated character.

Originally posted by riv6672
What hero could you never see going to the dark side, what villain would never turn hero, no matter how clever the writer?

I've been surprised over the years by characters like Eddie Brock and Hal Jordan, but there are some heroes and villains that just cant be done, i think.

Hero wise, Captain America will never turn villain. He's gone against the government before, but he'll never get into the world take over business. No way.

Villain wise an easy pick is Cap's arch foe, Red Skull. Red Skull. I dont think i even need to elaborate on that one.

daredevil. If kingpin learning his secret ID and then killing his love (Karen), destroying his professional career and staining his name couldn't make him turn bad nothing will

dd is a great pick. hard to argue against cap though, seriously. for villains, not to imaginative but joker could never be good, not going by his best portrayals....

Originally posted by Sin I AM
You qft you troll

The phuck?

Originally posted by JayDaDon
The phuck? http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa241/georgia85/Horror%20Gifs/Shining-WaveofBlood.gif

^

DD is a good pick, IMO.
That said, how does the semi recent Hand leadership thing figure in?

Originally posted by riv6672
DD is a good pick, IMO.
That said, how does the semi recent Hand leadership thing figure in?
Shit writing, shit story and at no point did it feel like Matt Murdock ( which sort of proves the point)

Hero: Adam Warlock, Captain America, Superman, Silver Surfer, Thor

Villain: Magus, Red Skull, Doomsday, Lord Mar-Vell, Gorr

Originally posted by beatboks
Shit writing, shit story and at no point did it feel like Matt Murdock ( which sort of proves the point)
Glad to hear that.
It didnt sound like a very DDish event.

guy 222/abhilegend