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This thread is mostly for who still believe Superman is stronger then WWH or Savage Hulk or Mindless Hulk. What if Hulk had Superman level flight would it be closer strength wise are equal?

Thor &Superman are roughly equal
Hulk is a step up the ladder imho.

Not tier just purely strength.

Flying including speed, agility of flight ?

WWH w/ability to amp to WBH w/ FTL flying speed and agility......

Dangerous.

Both characters have dynamic strength right? This means that they both are as strong as any given story needs them to be.

Superman is stronger than Thor. Someone is still in denial I see.

Originally posted by Shabazz916
Flying including speed, agility of flight ?


Everything Superman is capable of with his flying.

Originally posted by Stoic
Both characters have dynamic strength right? This means that they both are as strong as any given story needs them to be.

who thinks that superman is stronger than hulk?

anyway. FTL flight would put him into a whole new tier imo.
i know that he seems like a one trick pony, but that HF, dynamic strength, and FTL flight would be beastly

@Abhi

Actually by there best feats (benching earth/earth busting) Thor is 16 2/3 times stronger but whats 104,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons of force really between heroes.

Yeah, like we really go by that kind of feat to determine who is stronger? The actual strength feats which matter are something like this.

Originally posted by abhilegend
But when he arrives back on Earth, so does Doomsday. This time Superman finishes Doomsday off by ripping it in half.

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Scans courtesy to Mr. Burns on ICT.

****ing insane showing.

Thor fought Ulik in the very same series and didn't look any stronger than usual. I can't see Thor ripping a top tier let alone someone like Doomsday in half.

srug

How does ripping apart a mostly featless character equal planet busting? Or as your insinuating exceed said feat?

Lobo's still stronger than them all with his stellar mass!!!!!!!

Originally posted by pym-ftw
How does ripping apart a mostly featless character equal planet busting? Or as your insinuating exceed said feat?
Featless? He broke Diana's arms with a punch, broke phantom zone with a punch, slaughtered dozens of kryptonian+mongul, called Superman level/able to kill him etc, and being called a top tier is prettty much lowballing him. H/P Doomsday or Kurse don't have any planetary feats either. Do you think Thor is stronger than them too? Or is Drax more powerful than those? He after all destroyed two planets and ripped the core of a star apart.

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/14079680_captainmarvel_42_13.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/14079689_CaptainMarvel_43_02.JPG http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/14079690_CaptainMarvel_43_03.JPG

Right before Mar-Vell made him his *****.

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I don't think planet busting/bench pressing as any sort of superiority in strength. Wonder Woman could destroy universe tomorrow and Superman would still overpower her.


Not to mention Thor struggled to contain a moon in the very next page. Mjolnir enhances his striking power after all.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lobo's still stronger than them all with his stellar mass!!!!!!!
Superman is stronger than them with lifting/containing black holes twice.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/jla077b.jpg
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Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok, huge feat here. Superman lifts the tesserect created by Steel while being poisoned with kryptonite.

http://i.imgur.com/Z69xvvY.jpg

That tesserect was created by a sun/black hole collapsing on itself.

http://i.imgur.com/rl8eZst.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qB6T0oU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wyfZQ16.jpg

So superman lifted the mass of a black hole while weakened.

Dumb Drax pretty much effortlessly beat Hulk so yeah id put him above standard heralds. His current nerfed version not so much.

In that arc, Nuclear fission would have killed Diana...

Diana =/= Thor. Not sure why you are equating them.

Kurse was explicitly stated as stronger than Thor.

Nah.

A: before it was fully released (Kal's own words).
B: GL helped him
C: He was struggling (whereas Lobo was doing it casually).

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Dumb Drax pretty much effortlessly beat Hulk so yeah id put him above standard heralds. His current nerfed version not so much.

In that arc, Nuclear fission would have killed Diana...

Diana =/= Thor. Not sure why you are equating them.

Kurse was explicitly stated as stronger than Thor.
That's classic drax who admitted he was weaker than She-Hulk. Not dumb drax. And Dumb Drax never even beat Hulk, let alone easily. In fact Savage Hulk was beating him even with help and another character calming him down in Secret Defenders 24.

Thor has been stated to be killed by nukes several times.

Diana is certainly in the same strength class as Thor. The comics have made it pretty clear, heck she was closing reality rifts which could destroy earth by her bare hands in the same arc, under the same writer.

Yeah, and he has no lifting feats. What about Doomsday?Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Nah.

A: before it was fully released (Kal's own words).
B: GL helped him
C: He was struggling (whereas Lobo was doing it casually).
That black hole, before even released was destroying solar systems.

GL helped after Superman had already contained it and Superman's stamina was failing.

Solar system destroying black hole>>stellar mass. And I would put this as better proof of Superman's strength superiority than anything else.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/teams/AdventuresOfAnnual02c.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/teams/AdventuresOfAnnual02d.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/teams/AdventuresOfAnnual02e.jpg

All lies!!!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
All lies!!!
Guy Gardner IS truth.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777837/lastsonvsguy_3.jpg.html

Heck, Lobo himself said that Superman has hit him the hardest.

http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/5386/26963240.jpg

That just means Superman is the best of a bad bunch

But, an interesting question arises.

We all know Wally/Barry are about equal to Superman in speed. Sometimes faster, sometimes slower, whatever.

IOW, their thrust is the same.

Can Wally/Barry push a planet/planetoid?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But, an interesting question arises.

We all know Wally/Barry are about equal to Superman in speed. Sometimes faster, sometimes slower, whatever.

IOW, their thrust is the same.

Can Wally/Barry push a planet/planetoid?

Well, maybe.

They could pull for sure though.

Talking about Lobo, this was pretty hilarious.

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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That just means Superman is the best of a bad bunch


That only includes the likes of Despero, captain marvel, J'onn etc.Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But, an interesting question arises.

We all know Wally/Barry are about equal to Superman in speed. Sometimes faster, sometimes slower, whatever.

IOW, their thrust is the same.

Can Wally/Barry push a planet/planetoid?
No.

Lol.

Guess Superman was pretty sundipped in that encounter

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol.

Guess Superman was pretty sundipped in that encounter
Nope. That's actually a red sun.

Lobo is Superman's damsel in distress. Canon.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Thor &Superman are roughly equal
Hulk is a step up the ladder imho.

Not tier just purely strength.

To convince me that you are not trolling. What basis are you getting that Superman and Thor are roughly equal in strength?
Especially when Superman is currently seen with planetary strength and Thor with Half Asgard lifting strength.
Are you going by feats?

And what feats does WWH has that is superior to Superman's feats?

Originally posted by golem370
This thread is mostly for who still believe Superman is stronger then WWH or Savage Hulk or Mindless Hulk. What if Hulk had Superman level flight would it be closer strength wise are equal? I don't see how flight will help Hulk benchpress the Earth even once. WBH can but WWH has no feats that show he is that strong.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Nah.

A: before it was fully released (Kal's own words).
B: GL helped him
C: He was struggling (whereas Lobo was doing it casually).

I'm not seeing how him grabbing it before the magnetic field was fully released means it didn't drop completely after he grabbed it. Seems to me the Superman detractors are just assuming that grabbing it before "fully released" means "stopped it from releasing."

As Abhi pointed-out, this was after Superman was already holding it. The Lobo scene you referred to, was it a black hole sucking in with gravity, or was it simply the mass of a star and no singularity properties? I've never actually seen the scene, so scan would be appreciated.

Looked to me like he was struggling from solar system busting gravity in his hand than the actual weight. Again, was Lobo's example just weight, or was it a black hole?

Originally posted by pym-ftw
How does ripping apart a mostly featless character equal planet busting? Or as your insinuating exceed said feat? You shouldn't comment on a DD post if you never seen ANY feats by DD. He broke Diana's arms when she tried to BLOCK his attack.

Originally posted by Delta1938
I'm not seeing how him grabbing it before the magnetic field was fully released means it didn't drop completely after he grabbed it. Seems to me the Superman detractors are just assuming that grabbing it before "fully released" means "stopped it from releasing."

As Abhi pointed-out, this was after Superman was already holding it. The Lobo scene you referred to, was it a black hole sucking in with gravity, or was it simply the mass of a star and no singularity properties? I've never actually seen the scene, so scan would be appreciated.

Looked to me like he was struggling from solar system busting gravity in his hand than the actual weight. Again, was Lobo's example just weight, or was it a black hole?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111115653/3501064-7177738075-34190.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/133524/2763791-2763211-78894_original_super.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111115653/3501064-7177738075-34190.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/133524/2763791-2763211-78894_original_super.jpg

Thanks. Cool scene. But unless there's more than "stellar mass," Superman's black hole is still better.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Thanks. Cool scene. But unless there's more than "stellar mass," Superman's black hole is still better.

Lol. Agree to disagree

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. Agree to disagree

Agree that you're wrong.

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/9763/alfrednevah.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/9763/alfrednevah.jpg

You just said you're a butler. You shall from now on address me as "Sir" and "Great Woman Pleaser" like the rest of the help. huhu

Originally posted by Delta1938
You just said you're a butler. You shall from now on address me as "Sir" and "Great Woman Pleaser" like the rest of the help. huhu

I shall only go as far as addressing you as 'Great Woman'.

A compromise that suits you, me, and most importantly, the truth

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I shall only go as far as addressing you as 'Great Woman'.

A compromise that suits you, me, and most importantly, the truth

pffft I'm gonna make your mom make you call me "Daddy" from now on!!!

WW Hulk would beat the living crap out of DCnU Superman. And you're out of your mind if you seriously think otherwise. DCnU characters are simply not on pair strength and durability wise for now.

Post Crisis-Superman is a different story though thanks to his speed advantage. Just giving Hulk flight wouldn't make that much of a difference. He would go down eventually.

Originally posted by h1a8
I don't see how flight will help Hulk benchpress the Earth even once. WBH can but WWH has no feats that show he is that strong.

But doesn't his super flight help him when flying huge, or heavy object from one point to the other? In other words is it purely strength, or does his ability to defy gravity come into play?

Originally posted by Stoic
But doesn't his super flight help him when flying huge, or heavy object from one point to the other? In other words is it purely strength, or does his ability to defy gravity come into play?

Byrne had his flight make it easier, but I don't know of any other writers doing the same thing. Marv Wolfman may have to keep consistency when they were the two writers of the Superman titles at the time, but I'm just guessing, can't remember if he did that or not. 2(maybe 3) of his biggest strength feats off the top of my head had nothing to do with flying.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Byrne had his flight make it easier, but I don't know of any other writers doing the same thing. Marv Wolfman may have to keep consistency when they were the two writers of the Superman titles at the time, but I'm just guessing, can't remember if he did that or not. 2(maybe 3) of his biggest strength feats off the top of my head had nothing to do with flying.

Yeah Byrne did this, which was a brilliant way to explain some of the lifting feats that he had done. The tactile TK was another thing that was brilliant in terms of why these objects didn't fall apart under their own weight.

Originally posted by Stoic
Yeah Byrne did this, which was a brilliant way to explain some of the lifting feats that he had done. The tactile TK was another thing that was brilliant in terms of why these objects didn't fall apart under their own weight.

It did work for a more realistic interpretation of Superman's powers. Although looking through some of those issues in his run, I don't know if he ever had it explicitly stated IN the comics(although he himself flat-out said that's how he had it). I remember when Superman was flying the property that Metallo was made in, Superman said things felt lighter when he flew. A GL had speculated that his heat vision was basically a microwave effect using telekinesis, but I don't know if these were ever confirmed on-panel. I don't know of any later writers continuing or expanding Byrne's partial telekinesis thing.

Originally posted by Delta1938
It did work for a more realistic interpretation of Superman's powers. Although looking through some of those issues in his run, I don't know if he ever had it explicitly stated IN the comics(although he himself flat-out said that's how he had it). I remember when Superman was flying the property that Metallo was made in, Superman said things felt lighter when he flew. A GL had speculated that his heat vision was basically a microwave effect using telekinesis, but I don't know if these were ever confirmed on-panel. I don't know of any later writers continuing or expanding Byrne's partial telekinesis thing.

Hey do you remember when he fought this purple guy way back in those days? Didn't he resemble Thanos a little?

Originally posted by Stoic
Hey do you remember when he fought this purple guy way back in those days? Didn't he resemble Thanos a little?

What purple guy? Parasite?

Originally posted by Stoic
But doesn't his super flight help him when flying huge, or heavy object from one point to the other? In other words is it purely strength, or does his ability to defy gravity come into play?
Superman's non flight strength>>>>Hulk's non flight strength (by non flight feats).
This implies
Superman's non flight strength + Superman's flight strength >>>>WWH's non flight strength + Superman's flight strength.

which implies
Superman's total strength>>>>>WWH's total strength (with Superman's flight).