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Strongest being that Thanos can beat with reality gem.

Quasar or Sentry

Bwhahaha.


Anyhow if he's tapping into the gem fully who knows

IMO, the reality gem is the best gem and can do what the other gems can do.
One change reality and become a being with more power (PG), control time, space, mind, soul, etc.

So with the reality gem, one becomes God.

Odin

I want to say high level abstracts

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Bwhahaha.


Anyhow if he's tapping into the gem fully who knows

Good luck getting LT into that gem.

Probably a celestial.

Or maybe Franklin.

Originally posted by h1a8
IMO, the reality gem is the best gem and can do what the other gems can do.
One change reality and become a being with more power (PG), control time, space, mind, soul, etc.

So with the reality gem, one becomes God.

Don't you need some of the other gems to properly use it? I could be wrong, but I thought the reality one isn't the only one needed due to it being unstable when alone or something.

Ego Gem is needed in order to use the reality gem

The power gem is needed to get the most out of all of the gems.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Good luck getting LT into that gem.
You're wrong, Supra. LT is immune to the gems' power, so....

Originally posted by Epicurus
You're wrong, Supra. LT is immune to the gems' power, so....
I think that's what he's implying.

Without the boost from the PG, and if it works, the strongest one should be Uncle Ben, because he is dead an all.

The Mask would eat him probably...like literally.

The Hulk?

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
I think that's what he's implying.
He's trolling by stating something so heinously obvious, just to rile up a Thanos-fan.

Thanos wont be able to beat anyone significant with the Reality Gem as they all are weaksauce unless used in unison....

An experienced Soul Gem weilder failed to stop Thor with the Gem...

A telepath failed to stop Thor with the Mind Gem...

Thor with the Power Gem failed to beat Thanos...

Like I said, the Gems suck balls individually...

Originally posted by Stoic
The power gem is needed to get the most out of all of the gems.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Thanos wont be able to beat anyone significant with the Reality Gem as they all are weaksauce unless used in unison....

An experienced Soul Gem weilder failed to stop Thor with the Gem...

A telepath failed to stop Thor with the Mind Gem...

Thor with the Power Gem failed to beat Thanos...

Like I said, the Gems suck balls individually...


Also, Moondragon with the Mind Gem only stalemated Xavier. She couldn't deal with Quasar so she had to summon Warlock. Soulless beings are immune to the Soul Gem (like Galactus). Thor was consciously tapping into the Power Gem, yet it would have taken him hours to break out of the Force Block Thanos put him in, Odin broke out of it instantly.

There's probably more examples that I'm missing but yeah. The IGs is only really impressive when ALL Gems are used in unison.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

Thor with the Power Gem failed to beat Thanos...
Thor was barely tapping the Gem, and Thanos contained him cause he couldn't win.
Thanos also said Thor was getting mightier by the second, and once out the block in two hours,
all the force they could muster together would be useless against Thor.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

Like I said, the Gems suck balls individually...
Originally posted by zopzop

The IGs is only really impressive when ALL Gems are used in unison.
Friends, you're being a bit brutal towards the Gems. Remember, most
cats who've had the Gems have controlled them on the most basic of levels. (specially the Watch)

Thor, with time, would've been one of the special cases.

Only Thanos really has wielded a Gem uberly.

But, if yall want to see a single Gem doing some cosmic crazy ...

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It's Rune using the Time Gem. He froze the entire "Time-Stream."

The "Time-Stream" is the Dimension from where All of Time can be observed, and even affected.
So Rune froze "Time" across all TimelineS! (with a thought)

LT stated that the reason he was untouched by the Time Gem's affect
was cause he "Transcends the realm of Space & Time, All the opposing RealitieS"




http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16108290_TG3.jpghttp://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16108291_TG4.jpg




The only other existence untouched was Warlock.
Who as we all know is beyond the influence of Space-Time.

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The Marvel Time-stream is the Multiversal push of "Time" towards Entropy.

This is why All TimelineS are subject to the Time-stream! (proof below)

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16109484_Timestream1.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16109485_Timestream2.jpg

(there's plenty more of that ... from a variety of stories, just let me know)

Timelines are entire separate Universes/Eternity/Infinity
like Guardians of the Galaxy's Reality 691,
which is the 31st Century, a possible Future of an infinite number.

616 is the universe/timeline occupying the present Time.

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Now I must submit, the Gem was sentient, but that doesn't take away from the fact that it acted solely.

In the recent Infinity event, Thanos stated that if he got his hands on even a single infinity gem, he would be a "God."

Originally posted by One-Punch
In the recent Infinity event, Thanos stated that if he got his hands on even a single infinity gem, he would be a "God."

It would be pretty bad ass to see him get one of the gems again or get the whole gauntlet and see what he could do. I hope they make a new arc about it one day. Thanos by far is the most interesting character to me in marvel.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Thor was barely tapping the Gem, and Thanos contained him cause he couldn't win.
Thanos also said Thor was getting mightier by the second, and once out the block in two hours,
all the force they could muster together would be useless against Thor.


Friends, you're being a bit brutal towards the Gems. Remember, most
cats who've had the Gems have controlled them on the most basic of levels. (specially the Watch)

Thor, with time, would've been one of the special cases.

Only Thanos really has wielded a Gem uberly.

But, if yall want to see a single Gem doing some cosmic crazy ...

---------------------------------------------

It's Rune using the Time Gem. He froze the entire "Time-Stream."

The "Time-Stream" is the Dimension from where All of Time can be observed, and even affected.
So Rune froze "Time" across all TimelineS! (with a thought)

LT stated that the reason he was untouched by the Time Gem's affect
was cause he "Transcends the realm of Space & Time, All the opposing RealitieS"




http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16108290_TG3.jpghttp://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16108291_TG4.jpg




The only other existence untouched was Warlock.
Who as we all know is beyond the influence of Space-Time.

---------------------------------------------

The Marvel Time-stream is the Multiversal push of "Time" towards Entropy.

This is why All TimelineS are subject to the Time-stream! (proof below)

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16109484_Timestream1.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16109485_Timestream2.jpg

(there's plenty more of that ... from a variety of stories, just let me know)

Timelines are entire separate Universes/Eternity/Infinity
like Guardians of the Galaxy's Reality 691,
which is the 31st Century, a possible Future of an infinite number.

616 is the universe/timeline occupying the present Time.

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Now I must submit, the Gem was sentient, but that doesn't take away from the fact that it acted solely.
Wasn't that the series Surfer blasted the complete IG off Rune's hand?

If I remember correctly I think the Inf. Gauntlet fully couldn't be access, the only reason why Surfer was able to stop Rune.

Originally posted by zopzop

Wasn't that the series Surfer blasted the complete IG off Rune's hand?
The Gems became sentient, and were using Rune as a pawn to get to the Ultraverse to find the Ego Gem.

Rune was depicted as losing control before getting zapped by Surfer.

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/15081298_R1.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/15081299_R2.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/15081300_R3.jpg

He never had a chance under these stipulated circumstances. stoned

Originally posted by Mr Master
Thor was barely tapping the Gem, and Thanos contained him cause he couldn't win.
Thanos also said Thor was getting mightier by the second, and once out the block in two hours,
all the force they could muster together would be useless against Thor.


Friends, you're being a bit brutal towards the Gems. Remember, most
cats who've had the Gems have controlled them on the most basic of levels. (specially the Watch)

Thor, with time, would've been one of the special cases.

Only Thanos really has wielded a Gem uberly.

But, if yall want to see a single Gem doing some cosmic crazy ...

---------------------------------------------I

It's Rune using the Time Gem. He froze the entire "Time-Stream."

The "Time-Stream" is the Dimension from where All of Time can be observed, and even affected.
So Rune froze "Time" across all TimelineS! (with a thought)

LT stated that the reason he was untouched by the Time Gem's affect
was cause he "Transcends the realm of Space & Time, All the opposing RealitieS"




http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16108290_TG3.jpghttp://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16108291_TG4.jpg




The only other existence untouched was Warlock.
Who as we all know is beyond the influence of Space-Time.

---------------------------------------------

The Marvel Time-stream is the Multiversal push of "Time" towards Entropy.

This is why All TimelineS are subject to the Time-stream! (proof below)

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16109484_Timestream1.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16109485_Timestream2.jpg

(there's plenty more of that ... from a variety of stories, just let me know)

Timelines are entire separate Universes/Eternity/Infinity
like Guardians of the Galaxy's Reality 691,
which is the 31st Century, a possible Future of an infinite number.

616 is the universe/timeline occupying the present Time.

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Now I must submit, the Gem was sentient, but that doesn't take away from the fact that it acted solely.

None of that disproves what I've stated about the gems...they are weaksauce solo.

Get a CCU...a real stand alone device and tell it to own Thor or Thanos and watch what happens; Thanos and Thor will both be one shotted...both of them withstood infinity gems however.

And you telling me that Adam Warlock...a very experienced Soul Gem weilder...only used it basically?

I call BS...just sounds like an excuse for the gem from my viewpoint.

Adam Warlock was able to own Mephisto in his own realm using the Soul Gem alone. Just saying.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Adam Warlock was able to own Mephisto in his own realm using the Soul Gem alone. Just saying.

Context....

Only was possible because the gem was being amped by the mystical nature of Mephisto's realm....

Adam Warlock with the PG alone pwnd classic Dr Strange who had prep and was using all his artifacts.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Adam Warlock with the PG alone pwnd classic Dr Strange who had prep and was using all his artifacts.

Power Gem has infinite power; none of the other gems do....

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Power Gem has infinite power; none of the other gems do.... Thanos warped the whole of reality showing how the reality gem to the collecter, so

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Thanos warped the whole of reality showing how the reality gem to the collecter, so

You greatly exaggerate what Thanos did, he came nowhere close to "warping all of reality" with the gem...

Besides he already had 5 of the 6 gems at that point...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
You greatly exaggerate what Thanos did, he came nowhere close to "warping all of reality" with the gem...

Besides he already had 5 of the 6 gems at that point... comic shows otherwise , and he shows how the reality gem worked nothing more was used as shown.


Unless you have a special version of the comic that is.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
comic shows otherwise , and he shows how the reality gem worked nothing more was used as shown.


Unless you have a special version of the comic that is.

Ok, Mr All_Knowing, show me the scan that says Thanos warped "The Whole of Reality" or concede to attempting to wank this guy:

So Lord of Blunder instantly reverts back to retard mode when proven wrong.

Read the comic it shows him warping everything son.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

Power Gem has infinite power; none of the other gems do....
Which is why Thanos momentarily stalemated Thor and contained him.

But jokes aside, actually, all the Gems have "infinite" potential.

It always depends on the person harnessing the Gem. (either one adapts quickly, or the more usual - it takes time)
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

None of that disproves what I've stated about the gems...they are weaksauce solo.
I disagree. Since I just provided evidence of a single Gem freezing the multiversal timelineS.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

Get a CCU...a real stand alone device and tell it to own Thor or Thanos and watch what happens; Thanos and Thor will both be one shotted...both of them withstood infinity gems however.
Thor resisted a karmic blast due to his highly resistant asgardian spirit coupled with his madness.
Also, it's not like Warlock's SG is regularly depicted to its full potential. He's a hero who appears to much.

Thanos?
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

And you telling me that Adam Warlock...a very experienced Soul Gem weilder...only used it basically?
I meant the "Watch" as in the other members aside from Warlock.

As for Adam, writers aren't allowed to fully utilize the Gem on his person all the time,
otherwise he'd be owing cats (anyone with a soul that is) left and right not leaving much room for a story.

But when Warlock's Gem is portrayed beyond the confines of an on panel pis/cis peformance,
we have a Soul Gem that can erase a Kismet Trail (one's destiny) and a Universal Timeline:

(Kismet Trail nullification)





(Timeline erasing/remaking)




(Warlock years later confirming the feat in Thanos's mini)



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Oh, also, when the Goddess tried to use the Reality Gem,
she f'd up and the multiverse was nearly destroyed as an inadvertence.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Power Gem has infinite power; none of the other gems do.... the time gem has no limitations either.

Regarding the Gems individually, how can they have "infinite" potential when "Eterfinity" beat Magus who had 5 of the 6 Gems in his Gauntlet (only missing the Reality Gem)?

Also Warlock's win over Mephisto is sort of suspect no? Since they were fighting over the soul of Shalla Bal but it turned out she was never really dead or something. It could have been Mephisto feigning defeat like he usually does to phuck with heroes.

Originally posted by zopzop

Regarding the Gems individually, how can they have "infinite" potential when "Eterfinity" beat Magus who had 5 of the 6 Gems in his Gauntlet (only missing the Reality Gem)?
Actually good friend, they defeated Magus after Magus struggled with Warlock across the multiverse.

It required perfect timing catching Magus off balance due to Warlock.

There's also an on panel interpretation which indicates they blew up the multiverse in that encounter.

Originally posted by Stoic
The power gem is needed to get the most out of all of the gems.

Originally posted by Mr Master

(Timeline erasing/remaking)




(Warlock years later confirming the feat in Thanos's mini)



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Oh, also, when the Goddess tried to use the Reality Gem,
she f'd up and the multiverse was nearly destroyed as an inadvertence.

I just don't get how's that supposed to be destroying an entire universe instantly. Warlock destroyed that timeline indirectly rather than directly like you're saying.

Warlock merely erased Magus' existence, and thus the universe destroyed and recreated itself without Magus. We see Warlock absorbing his future self which will become the Magus, we see Magus fade, and his timeline. Warlock never used the SG to directly destroy the universe. Hell, Thanos even mentioned that like all the others, Warlock was at the very eye of the explosive time reshuffling. Which would indicate that he didn't cause it to begin with.

Not to mention Thanos needed the soul gem along with the other 5 gems to destroy all the stars in the universe (and the interesting thing is, those Warlock issues, where he supposedly destroyed and recreated the entire universe, served as a prelude to the story where Thanos intended to destroy all the stars by gaining all the other gems, BOTH of which are written by Starlin).

Here's Starlin (in Marvel Two-in-One Annual #2, little after Warlock #11) confirming that the soul gem couldn't destroy all the stars in the universe, merely Earth's star:

http://i.imgur.com/qhl869K.jpg?1

But somehow it's supposed to be able to destroy + recreate the universe instantly? Even though it wasn't even shown on panel that Warlock destroyed it directly (because that scan merely shows Warlock using the soul gem on his future self as opposed to him channeling the SG energies to destroy the universe)? And Thanos saying that Warlock was merely observing like all others instead of causing it??

Btw, regarding Warlock's potential. He became more powerful with it in Incredible Hulk #178. For example, an amped CE Reed (brute form) was able to laugh off Warlock's Soul Gem attack in Warlock #6. And Warlock was stalemating Man-Beast. Both of those instances happened when Warlock was using the gem to its full capabilities. After he got the power up, he easily dealt with Man-Beast. And in Strange Tales #178 (after hulk #178) he realized that there is more to the SG than he was utilizing

Either way though, Warlock #4 (same series where he supposedly destroyed a universe and recreated it) confirms that the gem's power is exhaustible (not infinite) and that he is fatigued:

http://i.imgur.com/YP01K0B.jpg?1

And that's only after he uses the gem's power to dodge a few missiles and get caught in a shock wave:

http://i.imgur.com/SImwvMJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BDdGHnn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ayLhqwF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/M6Z5BRl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/oGr9cY2.jpg

So much for its infinite potential and supposedly universe-busting capabilities.

Originally posted by zopzop

Also Warlock's win over Mephisto is sort of suspect no? Since they were fighting over the soul of Shalla Bal but it turned out she was never really dead or something. It could have been Mephisto feigning defeat like he usually does to phuck with heroes.

That's far from what actually happened.

Shalla Bal did die in Marvel Graphic Novel #71 (Homecoming). Which was directly before SS & Warlock: Resurrection mini series. So in the 1st issue of that mini Warlock reveals to Surfer that there is a way to bring back Shalla Bal (because her death wasn't conventional but rather metaphysical). They bring her body back, but there was no soul in it, so they journey into Hades, Mephisto's realm, to retrieve it. Warlock defeats Mephisto, and Shalla Bal gets her soul back. There wasn't any trickery on Mephisto's part in that regard.

If anything, in Warlock Chronicles #3 Starlin references and confirms Warlock's win over Mephisto, and also has Warlock using the SG to knock Mephisto into the ground:

http://i.imgur.com/JJbVhal.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cUiJBDD.jpg

Talk about his defeat to heroes though. Thor defeated him on two occasions (Thor #180-181, Thor's enlarging his soul's goodness apparently defeats Mephisto; Thor #204-205, Thor after fighting Mephisto's minions for 2 hours no less outright defeats Mephisto in a battle by sealing him under a larva pit) and in Thor #310 Mephisto admits that he cannot harm Thor in his godly form, only if he transforms into Donald Blake.
Heck, in that same issue Mephisto didn't want to fight Thor since he admitted it'd last for all eternity (which proves just how much Thor is a match for Mephisto). All this in his own realm and confirmed by secondary evidence.

Meh, on other occasions (like Thor Annual #13) Mephisto is portrayed being well above Thor (that's not even getting to his encounter with Galactus and comparing it to his defeats with Thor). But point is, his portrayals are very inconsistent even in his own realm. In the Resurrection mini, he was portrayed as being above Surfer + IW. But that's as much as i can tell to determine how much of an uber feat defeating Mephisto in his own realm is.

Originally posted by operator616

I just don't get how's that supposed to be destroying an entire universe instantly. Warlock destroyed that timeline indirectly rather than directly like you're saying.

Warlock merely erased Magus' existence, and thus the universe destroyed and recreated itself without Magus. We see Warlock absorbing his future self which will become the Magus, we see Magus fade, and his timeline. Warlock never used the SG to directly destroy the universe.
I disagree. I'm sticking to #11. Warlock performed Two separate actions friend.

First, he erased the Magus' Kismet Trail, which consequentially erased the present Magus:





Last scan Warlock fades away back to the Future.

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Next page: Warlock now enters the Future (in-universe now)
prior to himself becoming the Magus and then steals his own Soul to ensure no Magus.

But Then, Warlock also states: "and My Universe to End"




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So, I'm not getting how/why killing Warlock (while withIN reality) would destroy/remake an entire Universe.

Also, what Thanos said does not take away from the possibility the SG remade reality imo.
They were at ground zero basically, so for whatever silly reason this allowed them to remember.
Originally posted by operator616

So much for its infinite potential and supposedly universe-busting capabilities.
You know, I get how adrenaline runs through us when we accomplish something
or when we believe ourselves kings for a moment even in a delusional state,
but, there's no need for this gorilla pumping chest bravado. It's what makes members get nasty.

Just my two cents ... or, I dig the dirt sometimes so wuteva.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I disagree. I'm sticking to #11. Warlock performed Two separate actions friend.

First, he erased the Magus' Kismet Trail, which consequentially erased the present Magus:





Last scan Warlock fades away back to the Future.

-----------------------------------------------------

Next page: Warlock now enters the Future (in-universe now)
prior to himself becoming the Magus and then steals his own Soul to ensure no Magus.

But Then, Warlock also states: "and My Universe to End"




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So, I'm not getting how/why killing Warlock (while withIN reality) would destroy/remake an entire Universe.

Also, what Thanos said does not take away from the possibility the SG remade reality imo.
They were at ground zero basically, so for whatever silly reason this allowed them to remember.


You ignored my most important point. And before i counter your post, consider this:

1. That Warlock story was a prelude to Starlin's Thanos story-line where Thanos was going to wipe out all the stars of the universe. So Starlin knew while writing Warlock #11 that Thanos needed all the gems to actually destroy all the stars. So the soul gem alone couldn't have done something like that on its own. He even references in Warlock #11 (where the universe was remade) Thanos' stellar genocide plan:

http://i.imgur.com/dTZlxAJ.jpg?1

and confirms in MTIO Annual #2 that the SG can't destroy all the stars:

http://i.imgur.com/qhl869K.jpg?1

So why would Starlin have SG destroy AND recreate the universe in an instant? This absolutely makes no sense.


2. The soul gem's power was nowhere near universe busting/remaking, even after Warlock's Incredible Hulk #178 power up. So im not sure why it suddenly becomes a casual universal remaker.

that also puts yet another question mark on this feat.


And onto the actual feat; Yeah, you're right about Warlock making two separate actions, but that doesn't matter at all.

Because the 1st action was to erase Magus from existence, while the 2nd one was to prevent himself from evolving into Magus. Both of those actions have 1 goal in common: To erase Magus from existence. So when the two actions are complete the universe re-creates itself without Magus' taint like the scan says. It recreated itself (That's what the official handbook says) presumably since Magus has had influence over many worlds of the universe. When you erase someone with influence out of existence (and by that i mean, the person and all his/her actions), there will be gaps in the fabric of reality, so the universe has to recreate itself to adapt to those changes.

Btw, why would Warlock destroy and recreate the universe without Magus if he just erased him from existence? That doesn't make sense. The fact that the universe got recreated right after Warlock erased Magus completely (after absorbing his future self, preventing any chance of Magus being created) is no coincidence.
that's not even mentioning that Warlock never used the SG to directly destroy/recreate the universe.

Originally posted by Mr Master

You know, I get how adrenaline runs through us when we accomplish something
or when we believe ourselves kings for a moment even in a delusional state,
but, there's no need for this gorilla pumping chest bravado. It's what makes members get nasty.

Just my two cents ... or, I dig the dirt sometimes so wuteva.

Not sure why you got upset over that.

And not even sure why is it "delusional" state... because what i posted are facts.

@ operator616:

I just noticed after re-reading this issue that you're interpretation is just as viable as mine.

I agree with your stance, but I also agree with my point of view.

This is where it gets twisted for me: Magus would've affected 1000 worlds:

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/19501822_Soul_Gem_9.jpg

I agree, you could be correct.

But then as a side-affect the universe is remade due to an insignificant amount of planets. You feel me?

It's not your fault, but that Starlin bit was a big huh.

That's only part of the reason. And even if you're wondering why would the universe recreate by itself because of Magus, you should be also wondering why would Warlock recreate the universe without Magus if he had already erased Magus...

There's also this, this is the 2nd time you ignore this point:

Originally posted by operator616

1. That Warlock story was a prelude to Starlin's Thanos story-line where Thanos was going to wipe out all the stars of the universe. So Starlin knew while writing Warlock #11 that Thanos needed all the gems to actually destroy all the stars. So the soul gem alone couldn't have done something like that on its own. He even references in Warlock #11 (where the universe was remade) Thanos' stellar genocide plan:

http://i.imgur.com/dTZlxAJ.jpg?1

and confirms in MTIO Annual #2 that the SG can't destroy all the stars:

http://i.imgur.com/qhl869K.jpg?1

So why would Starlin have SG destroy AND recreate the universe in an instant? This absolutely makes no sense.


2. The soul gem's power was nowhere near universe busting/remaking, even after Warlock's Incredible Hulk #178 power up. So im not sure why it suddenly becomes a casual universal remaker.

that also puts yet another question mark on this feat.


There's no doubt in my mind that the SG didn't destroy/recreate the universe.

Either way though. That got retconned. Since the Warlock story regarded Magus and Warlock as the same being. Later it was established that they are alternate versions, and that their realities are divergent. Which is why in Infinity War, Thanos says to Magus: Your timeline was destroyed.

In both scenarious though, Magus being erased out of existence is the cause of the universe/timeline getting destroyed.

Originally posted by operator616

You ignored my most important point. And before i counter your post, consider this:
1. That Warlock story was a prelude to Starlin's Thanos story-line where Thanos was going to wipe out all the stars of the universe. So Starlin knew while writing Warlock #11 that Thanos needed all the gems to actually destroy all the stars. So the soul gem alone couldn't have done something like that on its own. He even references in Warlock #11 (where the universe was remade) Thanos' stellar genocide plan:
http://i.imgur.com/dTZlxAJ.jpg?1
and confirms in MTIO Annual #2 that the SG can't destroy all the stars:
http://i.imgur.com/qhl869K.jpg?1
So why would Starlin have SG destroy AND recreate the universe in an instant? This absolutely makes no sense.
2. The soul gem's power was nowhere near universe busting/remaking, even after Warlock's Incredible Hulk #178 power up. So im not sure why it suddenly becomes a casual universal remaker.
that also puts yet another question mark on this feat.
And onto the actual feat; Yeah, you're right about Warlock making two separate actions, but that doesn't matter at all.
Because the 1st action was to erase Magus from existence, while the 2nd one was to prevent himself from evolving into Magus. Both of those actions have 1 goal in common: To erase Magus from existence. So when the two actions are complete the universe re-creates itself without Magus' taint like the scan says. It recreated itself (That's what the official handbook says) presumably since Magus has had influence over many worlds of the universe. When you erase someone with influence out of existence (and by that i mean, the person and all his/her actions), there will be gaps in the fabric of reality, so the universe has to recreate itself to adapt to those changes.
Ya, I already posted, but it seems while I was writing you were way ahead of me.
Originally posted by operator616

Btw, why would Warlock destroy and recreate the universe without Magus if he just erased him from existence? That doesn't make sense. The fact that the universe got recreated right after Warlock erased Magus completely (after absorbing his future self, preventing any chance of Magus being created) is no coincidence.
that's not even mentioning that Warlock never used the SG to directly destroy/recreate the universe.
Yea, it doesn't make sense and I don't think I said that.

I said Walock erased Magus' kismet trail therefore erasing "Present" Magus. (fades in-front of Present Thanos)
Then Warlock erases hits his own Soul to erase Magus all together.
My thing was, that the universe blew up and remade itself due to this, which is dumb imo.

1000 planets? meh.
Originally posted by operator616

Not sure why you got upset over that.

And not even sure why is it "delusional" state... because what i posted are facts.
... "delusional" state of informational supremacy.

You come at posters like they're deliberately spewing fallacious info, and you always know better:

... "so much for" ... "supposed" ... I wasn't even debating, and you wasn't in the thread,
so you pop up, and come at me with this aggression like I offended you personally with my post.

This is why posters get irritated then resort to snapping at you, even kmc veterans.

Originally posted by operator616

That's only part of the reason. And even if you're wondering why would the universe recreate by itself because of Magus, you should be also wondering why would Warlock recreate the universe without Magus if he had already erased Magus...
I see you're not understanding my posts. (below)
Originally posted by Mr Master

Yea, it doesn't make sense and I don't think I said that.

I said Walock erased Magus' kismet trail therefore erasing "Present" Magus. (fades in-front of Present Thanos)
Then Warlock erases hits his own Soul to erase Magus all together.
My thing was, that the universe blew up and remade itself due to this, which is dumb imo.

1000 planets? meh.
Originally posted by operator616

There's also this, this is the 2nd time you ignore this point:
Get over yourself.
Originally posted by operator616

There's no doubt in my mind that the SG didn't destroy/recreate the universe.
Either way though. That got retconned. Since the Warlock story regarded Magus and Warlock as the same being. Later it was established that they are alternate versions, and that their realities are divergent. Which is why in Infinity War, Thanos says to Magus: Your timeline was destroyed.
In both scenarious though, Magus being erased out of existence is the cause of the universe/timeline getting destroyed.
SG is bad ass.

It can erase a being from existence and then an entire universe gets erased/re-created as a consequence.

How much power was required to erase Magus? hm Thanos couldn't do it, we know that.

So basically you agree with me that the SG never destroyed/recreated the universe directly, correct?

Well, yea, but now the SG is even more fascinating imo,
cause it can re-order the entire universe by affecting a single being.

Amazing. ... UN's little brother? stoned