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Ronan (no gem) from Guardians of the Galaxy
vs
Loki from Thor, Thor the dark world, Avengers

who wins who dies?

Ronan wins.

Ronan wrecks Loki.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Ronan wrecks Loki. how so? He has shown super strength and blasts of power with his staff W.O the gem. Loki has blast of power his staff, mind control, and illusions.

Originally posted by WildBantha88
how so? He has shown super strength and blasts of power with his staff W.O the gem. Loki has blast of power his staff, mind control, and illusions. Did you see GOTG ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Did you see GOTG ? Yes I have... this is NOT mega amped Ronan though

Originally posted by WildBantha88
Yes I have... this is NOT mega amped Ronan though Before he was amped Drax couldn't even harm him. Ronan wipes the floor with Loki.

To be fair, Drax was, just like most MCU powerhouses, pretty tame and dumbed down in the movie, even Groot was more impressive.
That said Ronan wins.

Doesn't Loki honestly have better feats?

Originally posted by TH3_V01D
To be fair, Drax was, just like most MCU powerhouses, pretty tame and dumbed down in the movie, even Groot was more impressive.
That said Ronan wins. Untrue. You're upset because the movie is going to be a success.

Ronan wins this

Originally posted by quanchi112
Before he was amped Drax couldn't even harm him. Ronan wipes the floor with Loki. And? Do you not remember Loki throwing down with Thor multiple times? Brax is no Thor. Not even close

personally, drax came off as a bruiser with little true technique. either way, ronan made him his *****. and as strong as drax was, he seemed leagues above him. a fight between ronan and loki would look the exact same way as a fight between loki and thor. loki could go toe to toe with him for awhile due to sheer skill alone..., but if ronan decided to end it and put his hands on him, it would be over quick.

ronan and thor on the other hand is a different story...and a better fight.

Originally posted by wallman77
personally, drax came off as a bruiser with little true technique. either way, ronan made him his *****. and as strong as drax was, he seemed leagues above him. a fight between ronan and loki would look the exact same way as a fight between loki and thor. loki could go toe to toe with him for awhile due to sheer skill alone..., but if ronan decided to end it and put his hands on him, it would be over quick.

There is literally no evidence I can recall that shows Drax having superhuman strength. So Ronan overpowering Drax doesn't necessarily mean he's stronger than Loki.

This fight can go either way. We know too little of Ronan's strength and durability so it's hard to call.

Drax had several feats.

Punching Korath The Pursuer(Djimon Honsou) so hard his head slamming into stone broke the stone.

Flinging guys around.

He showed a super leap at one point(although a smallish one)

He dented metal with a persons body.

He snapped Groot's branches.

etc...

Drax also ripped apart those security drones and held Gamora in place. The guy is at least Captain America in terms of strength. Neither Drax nor Captain America did much to their godlike foes though. Ronan and Loki are about equals in terms of strength. I think Ronan would take this as he seems more skilled and brutal. Also Loki was afraid of the Other whereas Ronan was batshit crazy that he koed/killed the Other just because Thanos wouldn't talk to him directly.

Originally posted by FrothByte
There is literally no evidence I can recall that shows Drax having superhuman strength. So Ronan overpowering Drax doesn't necessarily mean he's stronger than Loki.

This fight can go either way. We know too little of Ronan's strength and durability so it's hard to call.

what the two guys above me said, in terms of drax's strength

But they did seem to nerf Drax quite a bit. I suppose it would be unfair to have him at his true levels in that movie setting. Just like it would have been unfair for the Nova Corps to actually have powers and stuff.

I think Lokis Illusions would clench the victory for him here. I mean Ronan fell for a distraction of a guy just dancing for no reason and Loki has gotten the better of many ultrapowerful enemies with his illusions and they are way less easily distracted as Ronan

The thing is, the Spear belongs to Odin and the Scepter belongs to Thanos. Which weapon is Loki carrying?

Stalemate on H2H.

Loki will pull a win off with his magic and tricks.

Originally posted by WildBantha88
I think Lokis Illusions would clench the victory for him here. I mean Ronan fell for a distraction of a guy just dancing for no reason and Loki has gotten the better of many ultrapowerful enemies with his illusions and they are way less easily distracted as Ronan

Well said.

Loki's Magic Feats
Invisibility
Single and Multiple Holographic projections
Environmental Reality Illusions: like when he was trapped in his cell and talking to Thor.
Teleportation
Mind Control
Magical Daggers
Spear of Destiny

Loki's Fighting feats/Durability Feats
Bullet Proof
Head to head with Thor multiple times without ever bleeding
Hulk smashing and lives, shruggs off after a few minutes
Easily Handles Captain America
Tanks the Destroyer Weapon Coulsen hit him with that shield made
Takes on multiple Dark Elves with a dagger, with ease.

vs

Ronin Feats w/o Gem.

Slaps Dumb Drax around and makes him look even more dumb who is not even on Captain America level.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
The thing is, the Spear belongs to Odin and the Scepter belongs to Thanos. Which weapon is Loki carrying?

Gungir is Odins, Spear of Destiny as Iron Man called it, was the one Loki had in Avengers.

Originally posted by WildBantha88
And? Do you not remember Loki throwing down with Thor multiple times? Brax is no Thor. Not even close Thor was well beyond him and the only reason Loki lasted as long as he did was Thor's misguided love for him.


Ronan wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor was well beyond him and the only reason Loki lasted as long as he did was Thor's misguided love for him.


Ronan wins.

Lol, Hulk could not even kill Loki bro Ronin has no way to reproduce that beating or anyone close to it.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Lol, Hulk could not even kill Loki bro Ronin has no way to reproduce that beating or anyone close to it. Ronan doesn't have to kill him and the hulk beatdown defeated him.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Well said.




Loki's Fighting feats/Durability Feats

Hulk smashing and lives, shruggs off after a few minutes

Tanks the Destroyer Weapon Coulsen hit him with that shield made



Just gonna point out that that smashing seemed to be more of a comical thing. While it was indeed a nice durability showing, if he and Hulk actually fought and the directors were taking it serious, Loki would be a lot more f*cked up than he was. Just like Thor being just fine after that cheap shot from Hulk.

Also the Destroyer Weapon wasn't a durability feat. Coulson didn't actually hit him with it. He hit an illusion. That's how Loki could stab him in the back moments after he 'shot' him a few feet in the other direction and how Coulson didn't notice him.

Originally posted by KingD19
Just gonna point out that that smashing seemed to be more of a comical thing. While it was indeed a nice durability showing, if he and Hulk actually fought and the directors were taking it serious, Loki would be a lot more f*cked up than he was. Just like Thor being just fine after that cheap shot from Hulk.

Also the Destroyer Weapon wasn't a durability feat. Coulson didn't actually hit him with it. He hit an illusion. That's how Loki could stab him in the back moments after he 'shot' him a few feet in the other direction and how Coulson didn't notice him.

Coulson hit Loki after he had already hologramed and stabbed him.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Well said.

Loki's Magic Feats
Invisibility
Single and Multiple Holographic projections
Environmental Reality Illusions: like when he was trapped in his cell and talking to Thor.
Teleportation
Mind Control
Magical Daggers
Spear of Destiny

Loki's Fighting feats/Durability Feats
Bullet Proof
Head to head with Thor multiple times without ever bleeding
Hulk smashing and lives, shruggs off after a few minutes
Easily Handles Captain America
Tanks the Destroyer Weapon Coulsen hit him with that shield made
Takes on multiple Dark Elves with a dagger, with ease.

vs

Ronin Feats w/o Gem.

Slaps Dumb Drax around and makes him look even more dumb who is not even on Captain America level.

Loki has these defined feats..whats Ronins best feats without power gem that trumps these?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Coulson hit Loki after he had already hologramed and stabbed him.

Oh...that is right. He threatened to use it, then Loki stabbed him, then he shot him while he was slumped on the floor. I'd forgotten the order of the scene.

But I stand by the Hulk thing. He would have been severely messed up if Hulk had done that in an actual fight and not just a gag reel moment.

Originally posted by KingD19
Oh...that is right. He threatened to use it, then Loki stabbed him, then he shot him while he was slumped on the floor. I'd forgotten the order of the scene.

But I stand by the Hulk thing. He would have been severely messed up if Hulk had done that in an actual fight and not just a gag reel moment.

He was messed up regardless by Hulk. I think its a huge testament to his damage soak and durability. He should have had been broken bad, but he was walking around giddy the next scene.

Honestly if you look at Loki feats I posted you might change your stance that he could take Ronin.

Originally posted by KingD19
Just gonna point out that that smashing seemed to be more of a comical thing. While it was indeed a nice durability showing, if he and Hulk actually fought and the directors were taking it serious, Loki would be a lot more f*cked up than he was. Just like Thor being just fine after that cheap shot from Hulk.

Also the Destroyer Weapon wasn't a durability feat. Coulson didn't actually hit him with it. He hit an illusion. That's how Loki could stab him in the back moments after he 'shot' him a few feet in the other direction and how Coulson didn't notice him.

If Loki and Hulk really fought seriously, Hulk would run after illusions the entire day.

Originally posted by FrothByte
If Loki and Hulk really fought seriously, Hulk would run after illusions the entire day.

His arrogance is what got him dropped by the Hulk

Loki stomps. Better durability feats, comparable strength, more skill feats, plus magic.

Loki loses. He is not impressive compared to Ronan. Got worked way too many times even by Valk.

Ronan was more physically impressive than Loki.

Originally posted by Eon Blue
Ronan was more physically impressive than Loki.

How so? Because he beat up a drunk Drax?

Ronan's strength is way above Loki's.

However, this one goes to Loki.

He's smarter, faster and got magic on his side. Let's remember that Thor is stronger than Loki and yet Loki manages to stay on top.

Originally posted by quanchi112


Seems someone is having a nice time...Oh well.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Seems someone is having a nice time...Oh well. Thor has always gotten the better of Loki in a fight. Ronan would push Lokis shit in.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor has always gotten the better of Loki in a fight. Ronan would push Lokis shit in.

Remove Mjolnir from Thor and tell me how he fairs.

Give Ronan mjolnir and you'll have a point.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Remove Mjolnir from Thor and tell me how he fairs.

Give Ronan mjolnir and you'll have a point. He would crush him with or without it. Stronger, more durable, more powerful.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He would crush him with or without it. Stronger, more durable, more powerful.

Not before getting stabbed to death.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Not before getting stabbed to death. Based off what? Loki would get pummeled by Thor and his lightning.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based off what? Loki would get pummeled by Thor and his lightning.

Pre Ragnarok Thor without Mjolnir ofcourse.

Just like Ronan doesnt.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Pre Ragnarok Thor without Mjolnir ofcourse.

Just like Ronan doesnt. No, we do not use Thor from films ago. You want to take away his hammer and powers because you know Loki sucks compared to him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, we do not use Thor from films ago. You want to take away his hammer and powers because you know Loki sucks compared to him.

Thor with Mjolnir had a hard time with Loki. I never said Loki defeats Thor.

My point is clear. Ronan gets butchered since he has no Mjolnir (weapon powerful enough to defeat Loki).

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Thor with Mjolnir had a hard time with Loki. I never said Loki defeats Thor.

My point is clear. Ronan gets butchered since he has no Mjolnir (weapon powerful enough to defeat Loki). Thor held back and still bested him. It was not hard either.

He has his own weapon. Loki would get worked by Ronan.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor held back and still bested him. It was not hard either.

He has his own weapon. Loki would get worked by Ronan.

Thor 》》》》》》》》》》》Ronan.

Loki > Ronan.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Thor 》》》》》》》》》》》Ronan.

Loki > Ronan. Abc Logic. Valkyrie beat Loki. Ronan would rape him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Abc Logic. Valkyrie beat Loki. Ronan would rape him.

Arguably Valyrie also beat Thor, so perhaps you should reconsider.

Ronan tooled a drunk Drax. Loki tooled a fully functional Captain America. Make of that what you will.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Arguably Valyrie also beat Thor, so perhaps you should reconsider. No, since he was caught off guard and was not trying to put her down.

Ronan is way stronger, but I'm not so sure he wins. Loki has been able to do damage to Thor with his knives. Yes I know Thor held back, but it's not like he lowered his own durability for the fight. So Loki can harm people that are quite durable, either because of his own strength or maybe the knives are magic who knows.

The problem is when he stabbed Thor he didn't do so in a fatal area. If he uses his illusions correctly and his telekinesis he could potentially shank Ronan in the neck.

Originally posted by Surtur
Ronan is way stronger, but I'm not so sure he wins. Loki has been able to do damage to Thor with his knives. Yes I know Thor held back, but it's not like he lowered his own durability for the fight. So Loki can harm people that are quite durable, either because of his own strength or maybe the knives are magic who knows.

The problem is when he stabbed Thor he didn't do so in a fatal area. If he uses his illusions correctly and his telekinesis he could potentially shank Ronan in the neck. Nah, Loki is not that formidable.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, since he was caught off guard and was not trying to put her down.

Loki wasnt serious either, or enraged.

He didnt even used magic.

And still, Valkyrie is faster and a better fighter than Ronan. Your point is invalid.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Loki wasnt serious either, or enraged.

He didnt even used magic.

And still, Valkyrie is faster and a better fighter than Ronan. Your point is invalid. He was serious he just got beat. Ronan was not serious and he toyed with his opponent.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was serious he just got beat. Ronan was not serious and he toyed with his opponent.

If Loki was serious, he would have stabbed Thor in the neck.

So if Loki has yet to stab anyone in the neck wouldn't it be CIS?

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
So if Loki has yet to stab anyone in the neck wouldn't it be CIS?

Not really, since he doesn't usually get that close face to face with his opponents. He has no hesitations stabbing people in the back and so shouldn't have any issues stabbing someone in the neck, problem is it's not easy to do unless someone isn't moving.

Originally posted by FrothByte
If Loki was serious, he would have stabbed Thor in the neck. Speculative nonsense. Facts matter not what ifs.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
So if Loki has yet to stab anyone in the neck wouldn't it be CIS? Posters here tend to debate on what they believe no matter what the facts show.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Speculative nonsense. Facts matter not what ifs.

Correct facts matter, which is why we know that Loki was never out to kill Thor. Facts.

I would say the events of Infinity War show that yeah...Loki never wanted Thor dead either, not truly.

But his illusions are key here. He could pull this off if he was properly motivated. Not getting killed by Ronan is probably proper motivation.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Correct facts matter, which is why we know that Loki was never out to kill Thor. Facts. Ronan was not out to kill Drax either but he casually beat him. Loki did not mean to lose to Thor who never tried to kill him either.

Originally posted by Surtur
I would say the events of Infinity War show that yeah...Loki never wanted Thor dead either, not truly.

But his illusions are key here. He could pull this off if he was properly motivated. Not getting killed by Ronan is probably proper motivation. So what? Thor is far better than Loki. Nah, his illusions have defeated which impressive character?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ronan was not out to kill Drax either but he casually beat him. Loki did not mean to lose to Thor who never tried to kill him either.

Lol. Are you seriously trying to compare a drunk Drax to Thor?

Loki wasn't trying to kill Cap either but he effortlessly beat him around.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Lol. Are you seriously trying to compare a drunk Drax to Thor?

Loki wasn't trying to kill Cap either but he effortlessly beat him around. I am saying Ronan was not serious either. Loki is not a threat to Thor tbh. Ronan would be. Cap took his lumps but was fine. Loki also had a weapon outside his standard equipment. Saying Loki could kill Loki based off your imagination is not proof it is wishful thinking.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am saying Ronan was not serious either. Loki is not a threat to Thor tbh. Ronan would be. Cap took his lumps but was fine. Loki also had a weapon outside his standard equipment. Saying Loki could kill Loki based off your imagination is not proof it is wishful thinking.

Problem here is you have no decent feats for Ronan. What decently skilled opponent has Ronan faced who was fighting him at full capacity?

Straight up brawl, it would probably go to Ronan. Loki using his magic illusions, Ronan likely loses.

Also not sure how much damage Ronan's hammer is going to do considering Loki's impressive blunt-force-trauma resistance. Not saying zero, but it's going to take repeated blows to take Loki down.

Will decide after Captain Marvel is out. Not seen enough of Ronan yet.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was serious he just got beat. Ronan was not serious and he toyed with his opponent.

He toyed with Drax. Whats your point?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Problem here is you have no decent feats for Ronan. What decently skilled opponent has Ronan faced who was fighting him at full capacity? Gotg at the end of the film. Durable af and just too much for the the team. They needed a distraction at the end to defeat him.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
He toyed with Drax. Whats your point? That he is too much for Loki.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Gotg at the end of the film. Durable af and just too much for the the team. They needed a distraction at the end to defeat him.

You mean at the end of the film when Ronan already weilded the power gem?

Originally posted by FrothByte
You mean at the end of the film when Ronan already weilded the power gem? That did not change his durability nor did it making disarming him impossible. Funny how Loki using an amp does not matter against Cap. Double standards.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That did not change his durability nor did it making disarming him impossible. Funny how Loki using an amp does not matter against Cap. Double standards.

I don't remember the mind gem being able to "amp" anybody. It could brainwash people but Loki didn't use that capability on Cap.

Btw, I'm not saying Ronan isn't very durable and strong... but then again so is Loki. And I'm trying to find a clip of that final fight you're describing for Ronan and the GOTG, because I can't recall him taking on all of them without using the power gem to some degree.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I don't remember the mind gem being able to "amp" anybody. It could brainwash people but Loki didn't use that capability on Cap.

Btw, I'm not saying Ronan isn't very durable and strong... but then again so is Loki. And I'm trying to find a clip of that final fight you're describing for Ronan and the GOTG, because I can't recall him taking on all of them without using the power gem to some degree. So him using a stone is not under his own power just as Ronans power stone is not his own power.

I am saying the power stone was still able to be disarmed just as Lokis scepter. Loki is formidable but Ronan was portrayed at a higher level.

Ronan would win.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So him using a stone is not under his own power just as Ronans power stone is not his own power.

I am saying the power stone was still able to be disarmed just as Lokis scepter. Loki is formidable but Ronan was portrayed at a higher level.

I'm saying Loki didn't use his power stone on Cap and pretty much just went melee whereas IIRC Ronan used his hammer w/ power stone on the GOTG more than once.

Here's the clip of the Loki vs. Captain America fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJEqcFtNtUk

If you could post a clip of the fight you're claiming Ronan took out the GOTG, we can both go over the feats properly.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I'm saying Loki didn't use his power stone on Cap and pretty much just went melee whereas IIRC Ronan used his hammer w/ power stone on the GOTG more than once.

Here's the clip of the Loki vs. Captain America fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJEqcFtNtUk

If you could post a clip of the fight you're claiming Ronan took out the GOTG, we can both go over the feats properly. The scepter is still not his standard gear. Ronan toyed with them. I did not say he took them out he toyed with them easily withstanding their assault. Loki uses a weapon not his own against cap and never defeated Cap either.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The scepter is still not his standard gear. Ronan toyed with them. I did not say he took them out he toyed with them easily withstanding their assault. Loki uses a weapon not his own against cap and never defeated Cap either.

Ronan toyed with them... while using the power gem. The power gem that's not included in this match. I'm still waiting for you to post the clip.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Ronan toyed with them... while using the power gem. The power gem that's not included in this match. I'm still waiting for you to post the clip. If you saw the film why ask for the clip. Do you now own these films? I just watch the scenes. Loki also used the scepter against cap the whole fight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If you saw the film why ask for the clip. Do you now own these films? I just watch the scenes. Loki also used the scepter against cap the whole fight.

I don't own the films and can't find the scene you're referring to on yiutube. Makes me wonder if you're exaggerating the scene thus why you don't want to post a clip.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The scepter is still not his standard gear.


Oh the Irony

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Oh the Irony Thanos has the gauntlet in every action fight sequence he is in the entire film Loki had the scepter how long.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I don't own the films and can't find the scene you're referring to on yiutube. Makes me wonder if you're exaggerating the scene thus why you don't want to post a clip. Are you poor? You are the sane guy who counts Loki using outside gear as no biggie but cries over Ronan. You use double standards all the time.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos has the gauntlet in every action fight sequence he is in the entire film Loki had the scepter how long.


However you like to justify it lol

Originally posted by Darth Thor
However you like to justify it lol Well it is true. In the comics and in the films Thanos is the one who made the ig a thing. Facts matter. Thanos is the best villain of all time.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Well it is true. In the comics and in the films Thanos is the one who made the ig a thing. Facts matter. Thanos is the best villain of all time.


If it was standard for him he would have had it in GOTG.

But he didnt.

You seem to be making up your own rules for standard weapons,

Ronans Hammer is standard. The IG is not.

By your own rules the Time Gem would be standard for Dr. Strange and the Mind Stone for Vision. The same weapons cant be standard for everyone Lmao

Originally posted by Darth Thor
If it was standard for him he would have had it in GOTG.

But he didnt.

You seem to be making up your own rules for standard weapons,

Ronans Hammer is standard. The IG is not.

By your own rules the Time Gem would be standard for Dr. Strange and the Mind Stone for Vision. The same weapons cant be standard for everyone Lmao Action sequences. Thanos was not involved in any fight scenes and now that we see him in action he has the gauntlet in Infinity War from the onset. Hell, he had it since age of ultron. Gauntlet is you can cry all you want because you are upset over it. Cry more. Yes, I agree those are standard for the others. Thanos should have the four stones as standard from the Titan fight. Funny thing is he is still the most powerful villain without them.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That he is too much for Loki.

Drax being too much for Loki!? Nice joke.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Action sequences. Thanos was not involved in any fight scenes and now that we see him in action he has the gauntlet in Infinity War from the onset. Hell, he had it since age of ultron. Gauntlet is you can cry all you want because you are upset over it. Cry more. Yes, I agree those are standard for the others. Thanos should have the four stones as standard from the Titan fight. Funny thing is he is still the most powerful villain without them.


I think its pretty clear who is crying lmao

Vision also had the mind Stone in every fight. So tel me, how can the mind Stone be standard for BOTH Vision and Thanos.


The Gauntlet without any Stones is useless.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Drax being too much for Loki!? Nice joke. Ronan not Drax.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I think its pretty clear who is crying lmao

Vision also had the mind Stone in every fight. So tel me, how can the mind Stone be standard for BOTH Vision and Thanos.


The Gauntlet without any Stones is useless. Yes, vision has that as his standard. I just said only 4 stones as the standard for Thanos. Read what I wrote.

No, it is not. Shield. Watch the film. 4 stones as standard.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, vision has that as his standard. I just said only 4 stones as the standard for Thanos. Read what I wrote.

No, it is not. Shield. Watch the film. 4 stones as standard.

Oh so now its 4stones as standard.

Tell me did he have/use 4stones in every single fight he was in (your own rules for standard weaponary)?

You are making up your own rules based on your fanboyism as usual. And your own rules keep failing you Lmao

Heck you used to assume Khans big guns as standard even though he only ever used them 1 time Lmao

Originally posted by quanchi112
Are you poor? You are the sane guy who counts Loki using outside gear as no biggie but cries over Ronan. You use double standards all the time.

Wow, red herring much? Do you expect every person here to own every movie they debate upon? It's normal for people to post clips to back up their claims here. The fact that you're making this much fuss over this leads me to believe you know you can't back up your claims.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Oh so now its 4stones as standard.

Tell me did he have/use 4stones in every single fight he was in (your own rules for standard weaponary)?

You are making up your own rules based on your fanboyism as usual. And your own rules keep failing you Lmao

Heck you used to assume Khans big guns as standard even though he only ever used them 1 time Lmao I said that in my last post. The one you did not read. No, I never said all fights but the longest fight scene in the film. Cry more.

Yes, because those were Khans weaponry used in combat. Look I get it you believe Thanos is unbeatable with the stones. You have said enough.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Wow, red herring much? Do you expect every person here to own every movie they debate upon? It's normal for people to post clips to back up their claims here. The fact that you're making this much fuss over this leads me to believe you know you can't back up your claims. Lol. Please I am the guy who posts nothing but clips, gifs, evidence while you just hide. Watch the film. If you cannot afford it make a friend.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Lol. Please I am the guy who posts nothing but clips, gifs, evidence while you just hide. Watch the film. If you cannot afford it make a friend.

So why can't you post a clip of Ronan taking on the entire GOTG and tooling them without using the power gem? Or is that not what you're claiming?

Originally posted by FrothByte
So why can't you post a clip of Ronan taking on the entire GOTG and tooling them without using the power gem? Or is that not what you're claiming? You have misrepresented my point to hilarity. No point.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You have misrepresented my point to hilarity. No point.

So clarify it. I asked you if Ronan ever took on any opponent other than Drax and defeated them without the power stone. What's your answer?

Originally posted by FrothByte
So clarify it. I asked you if Ronan ever took on any opponent other than Drax and defeated them without the power stone. What's your answer? I already answered you. Loki losing to Valkyrie, Thor, etc. does not bode well for your Loki.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I already answered you. Loki losing to Valkyrie, Thor, etc. does not bode well for your Loki.

No you didn't. Who did Ronan beat w/o the power stone other than Drax? I'm asking for names.

Originally posted by FrothByte
No you didn't. Who did Ronan beat w/o the power stone other than Drax? I'm asking for names. It took an e true team and a distraction to beat him. Loki got worked just by Valkyrie.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It took an e true team and a distraction to beat him. Loki got worked just by Valkyrie.

So why can't you post clips to support your claim? Because I don't recall the entire GOTG ganging up on Ronan, nor do I remember him defeating them without the use of the power stone.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So why can't you post clips to support your claim? Because I don't recall the entire GOTG ganging up on Ronan, nor do I remember him defeating them without the use of the power stone. Again misrepresenting.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again misrepresenting.

Then clarify your statement. Jeeze, is it really so difficult for you to engage in a decent debate? Asking you to simply clarify your statement is not such a difficult request, and judging by how fast you reply it seems you have time to spare anyway.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Then clarify your statement. Jeeze, is it really so difficult for you to engage in a decent debate? Asking you to simply clarify your statement is not such a difficult request, and judging by how fast you reply it seems you have time to spare anyway. Originally posted by quanchi112
Gotg at the end of the film. Durable af and just too much for the the team. They needed a distraction at the end to defeat him. Originally posted by quanchi112
So him using a stone is not under his own power just as Ronans power stone is not his own power.

I am saying the power stone was still able to be disarmed just as Lokis scepter. Loki is formidable but Ronan was portrayed at a higher level. I already made my statements clear enough.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I already made my statements clear enough.

Except you're not actually addressing my question. I'm asking you to provide a feat of Ronan beating up skilled opponents without using the power gem. You keep giving instances (and not even bothering to back it up with a clip) of Ronan beating up opponents w/ the power gem.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Except you're not actually addressing my question. I'm asking you to provide a feat of Ronan beating up skilled opponents without using the power gem. You keep giving instances (and not even bothering to back it up with a clip) of Ronan beating up opponents w/ the power gem. Drax. The Gotg team was unable to disarm him prior to the distraction. Loki with othercweapons cannot best Thor. Failed to Valkyrie, etc. Ronan is portrayed on a higher level than Loki.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Drax. The Gotg team was unable to disarm him prior to the distraction. Loki with othercweapons cannot best Thor. Failed to Valkyrie, etc. Ronan is portrayed on a higher level than Loki.

They were unable to disarm him because he used the power gem while fighting them off. Again, this fight is without the power gem.

Here, watch it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Iucn9Kd0bA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMChGU_FEHo

Originally posted by FrothByte
They were unable to disarm him because he used the power gem while fighting them off. Again, this fight is without the power gem.

Here, watch it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Iucn9Kd0bA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMChGU_FEHo Nothing is contradicted by my posts. Do you enjoy wasting time?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Nothing is contradicted by my posts. Do you enjoy wasting time?

Do you have comprehension issues? This post specifically mentions Ronan without the power gem. Your statements describe Ronan using the power gem to overpower enemies.

Are you capable of producing a feat from Ronan that doesn't involve him using the power gem? Outside of beating up Drax that is.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ronan not Drax.

Speculation. Ronan beating a slower, non-magical, less cunning foe doesn't prove anything.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Do you have comprehension issues? This post specifically mentions Ronan without the power gem. Your statements describe Ronan using the power gem to overpower enemies.

Are you capable of producing a feat from Ronan that doesn't involve him using the power gem? Outside of beating up Drax that is. Reread my posts. Your circular trolling games are extremely boring.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Speculation. Ronan beating a slower, non-magical, less cunning foe doesn't prove anything. His skills show he is up for the task. Valk did so. Loki is not that on his level.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Reread my posts. Your circular trolling games are extremely boring.

I can reread all I want, bottom line is you're still unable to back your claims up with actual video clips. In other words, you're making stuff up.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I can reread all I want, bottom line is you're still unable to back your claims up with actual video clips. In other words, you're making stuff up. You misrepresented my claims. I required myself and you keep trying to misrepresent them.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You misrepresented my claims. I required myself and you keep trying to misrepresent them.

You're strawmanning to avoid posting videos. It's plain you are unable to back up your claims.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You're strawmanning to avoid posting videos. It's plain you are unable to back up your claims. You are misrepresenting my claims because it is clear you cannot refute them.

Originally posted by quanchi112
His skills show he is up for the task. Valk did so. Loki is not that on his level.

Valk》Drax.

Loki》 Drax.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Valk》Drax.

Loki》 Drax. Not to the extent Ronan is superior to him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not to the extent Ronan is superior to him.

And? Drax cant be used as a direct comparison since he is inferior to both contenders in this thread. Ronan beating him doesnt prove anything.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
And? Drax cant be used as a direct comparison since he is inferior to both contenders in this thread. Ronan beating him doesnt prove anything. Yes, it does. Ronan treats him like nothing. We do not see Loki ever portrayed this badass.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, it does. Ronan treats him like nothing. We do not see Loki ever portrayed this badass.

Beating Drax isnt a high feat.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, it does. Ronan treats him like nothing. We do not see Loki ever portrayed this badass.

So you're judging this based on who looks more badass... right. Glad we straightened that out.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So you're judging this based on who looks more badass... right. Glad we straightened that out. No, who is portrayed as stronger in the films. It is clearly Ronan.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Beating Drax isnt a high feat. Casually doing so is.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, who is portrayed as stronger in the films. It is clearly Ronan.

You do realize strength is not the only factor in a fight right? It's not going to help Ronan from getting a dagger plunged through his back.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You do realize strength is not the only factor in a fight right? It's not going to help Ronan from getting a dagger plunged through his back. I agree but Ronans strength is well beyond Drax who is superhumanly strong and durable. His skill is also well beyond his as well. How will Loki do so? He was outskilled by Valkyrie. Thor goes easy on his brother and his stabbings do not even really affect Thor on a significant level.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I agree but Ronans strength is well beyond Drax who is superhumanly strong and durable. His skill is also well beyond his as well. How will Loki do so? He was outskilled by Valkyrie. Thor goes easy on his brother and his stabbings do not even really affect Thor on a significant level.

Drax's strength feats don't really seem all that impressive. Sure, he does seem to have superhuman strength, but at this point even Cap trumps him when it comes to strength feats. Plus Cap is more skilled and faster as well and we can see how easily Loki was beating him around.

As for Thor and Valkyrie, both of them would demolish Drax as well so Loki losing to them is not really proof that Ronan would beat Loki. The fact that Loki put up as good a fight as he did against Thor is a far better feat than beating up a drunk Drax.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Casually doing so is.

Doesn't prove he can defeat Loki

Originally posted by FrothByte
Drax's strength feats don't really seem all that impressive. Sure, he does seem to have superhuman strength, but at this point even Cap trumps him when it comes to strength feats. Plus Cap is more skilled and faster as well and we can see how easily Loki was beating him around.

As for Thor and Valkyrie, both of them would demolish Drax as well so Loki losing to them is not really proof that Ronan would beat Loki. The fact that Loki put up as good a fight as he did against Thor is a far better feat than beating up a drunk Drax. Loki has the scepter which is outside his standard gear. Loki did not defeat cap either. Drax bounced off trees like nothing and has shown to be superhumanly strong and durable. He does not possess caps skill but the effortless manner in which Ronan abuses him is what is impressive.

Not to the degree Ronan did. Maybe Thor but not Valk.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Doesn't prove he can defeat Loki I did not say it did. It is my opinion he does. I imagine if he is in the upcoming marvel film enough my suspicions will vindicate me in this film.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Loki has the scepter which is outside his standard gear. Loki did not defeat cap either. Drax bounced off trees like nothing and has shown to be superhumanly strong and durable. He does not possess caps skill but the effortless manner in which Ronan abuses him is what is impressive.

Not to the degree Ronan did. Maybe Thor but not Valk.

Loki beat up Cap, that's a fact. And he did it easily without even using his illusions or knives. Bottom line is, Ronan never faced any opponents as challenging as Thor or Valkyrie. He also has no answer to Loki using illusions and making him a pincushion for his knives.

You keep mentioning how Ronan effortlessly beat up Drax but keep neglecting the fact that Drax was drunk.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Loki beat up Cap, that's a fact. And he did it easily without even using his illusions or knives. Bottom line is, Ronan never faced any opponents as challenging as Thor or Valkyrie. He also has no answer to Loki using illusions and making him a pincushion for his knives.

You keep mentioning how Ronan effortlessly beat up Drax but keep neglecting the fact that Drax was drunk. With the scepter which is not standard gear. He also did not beat him. That is a fact.

Kurse is a lumbering brute and he impaled Loki despite his powers. What was so special? Hulk ragdolled him despite his powers. Loki is still scared of him. Ronan wins. Hulk and kursebkth showed Loki is overrated.

Originally posted by quanchi112
With the scepter which is not standard gear. He also did not beat him. That is a fact.

Kurse is a lumbering brute and he impaled Loki despite his powers. What was so special? Hulk ragdolled him despite his powers. Loki is still scared of him. Ronan wins. Hulk and kursebkth showed Loki is overrated.

Look at you avoiding the topic of Drax's drunkenness. Why aren't you addressing it?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Look at you avoiding the topic of Drax's drunkenness. Why aren't you addressing it? You avoidedmy entire post, lol. Drax is moron his level if you feel otherwise lol.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You avoidedmy entire post, lol. Drax is moron his level if you feel otherwise lol.

I'll happily address your post once you address Drax's drunkenness, as you have been avoiding this fact for the last N pages.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I'll happily address your post once you address Drax's drunkenness, as you have been avoiding this fact for the last N pages. So do you believe Drax is on his level?

Originally posted by quanchi112
So do you believe Drax is on his level?

On who's level? Why aren't you addressing Drax's drunkenness? Do you believe that his drunkenness has no effect whatsoever on his fighting ability?

Originally posted by FrothByte
On who's level? Why aren't you addressing Drax's drunkenness? Do you believe that his drunkenness has no effect whatsoever on his fighting ability? I believe Ronan is on another level just as Thor is on another level than Loki but you ignore Thor going so easy on his brother. It only does not matter for guys you like.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I did not say it did. It is my opinion he does. I imagine if he is in the upcoming marvel film enough my suspicions will vindicate me in this film.

Opinion respected.