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We saw him mindraped by strong telepath but he has resisted telepathy or mantal attack through his sheer willpower.
How strong is Superman against telepathy or mental attack?
And,Can he resist their mental attack?

1)Psylocke
2)Emma Frost
3)Manchester Black
4)Professor X
5)Martian Manhunter
6)Despero
7)Thanos
extra1)Galactus
extra2)Dominus
extra3)Mr Mxyzptlk

Which Superman?

Originally posted by Delta1938
Which Superman?
Sorry, Pre Flash Point.

*Abhi looks up*

Superman needs me!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
*Abhi looks up*

Superman needs me!

Stops at 6. The gauntlet is slightly f*cked up though.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Stops at 6. The gauntlet is slightly f*cked up though.
Superman has outright resisted Despero. He has also thrown Mxy twins out of his mind.

Cool story bro. He still stops at 6.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Cool story bro. He still stops at 6.
Even though he has resisted Despero's TP? Cool story bro.

Many people say that Superman is vulnerable to mantal attack, so, strong telepath can easily mindrape Superman.
But, I think that Superman has resisted mental attack through sheer willpower, so, Superman is invulnerable to mental attack.
Which is true?

Superman has the best mental resistance feats of anybody non-telepath up to and including high-herald.

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This scenario is a bit weird.
So he just stands there, fending their mental attack.. for how long? Indefinitely? Isn't that a no-win situation for Superman?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Even though he has resisted Despero's TP?
Yes.

Originally posted by CatL18
Many people say that Superman is vulnerable to mantal attack, so, strong telepath can easily mindrape Superman.
But, I think that Superman has resisted mental attack through sheer willpower, so, Superman is invulnerable to mental attack.
Which is true?

"Vulnerable" is a broad term and often taken to mean weak against or extremely vulnerable. It simply means you can be effected. If you have a powerful enough telepath you can mindrape Superman, but most people are ignorant of his feats resisting this. In fact the two(maybe ONLY two) examples I see brought against him the most are Maxwell Lord(heavily out of context, and it seems Max may be a far more telepath than people give him credit for even in context) and Poison Ivy controlling him in HUSH(a low showing yes, but pheromone control so not even telepathy). As Abhi pointed-out, he's resisted Despero and the Mxy twins. He's also resisted Martian Manhunter(his subconscious force J'onn out of a probe meant to see if there were any telepaths messing with his mind) and Manchester Black(who I would put above J'onn). And others. Superman isn't without his low showings(I can think of a couple), but I've honestly seen a much larger number of examples resisting telepathy(even if I were to include the Max and Ivy examples), including insane feats.

And it's not just his willpower. Martian Manhunter stated his inability to track Clark Kent(in a story looking at J'onn's earlier years on Earth, knew Clark was Kryptonian and wanted to keep an eye on how he turned-out) because of Kryptonian minds being different from human, and another story, IIRC the details, had Kryptonian minds naturally having telepathic resistance. I'm sure the majority of his resisting is willpower, but evidence shows he'd naturally have some resistance simply being Kryptonian.

I agree with you on the whys of Superman's ability to resist/high end showing against mental attacks.
Also, i wish you luck with this:



I've been using the same reasoning when it comes to Superman and magic for years to no avail.

Originally posted by riv6672
I agree with you on the whys of Superman's ability to resist/high end showing against mental attacks.
Also, i wish you luck with this:



I've been using the same reasoning when it comes to Superman and magic for years to no avail.

You're not alone. So many think just because he can be effected by it, he's weak against it, like it's Kryptonite or red solar energy. Thor has been effected by it. Hell, Loki turned him into a frog once(with prep). But do you see people arguing Thor is weak against magic? Of course, different writers have different opinions, and we've seen it treated as different types have different levels of effectiveness, but most don't treat Superman against it like many argue here and elsewhere. Also, he's straight-up overcome stuff like mystical transformation and a death god's "death power"(for lack of a better term) though sheer willpower.

Bingo.

Superman has resisted Despero before.

He has also fallen victim to Despero.

So with that, he could stop at 6.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Superman has resisted Despero before.

He has also fallen victim to Despero.

So with that, he could stop at 6.

Where has he fallen to Despero's telepathy?

I disagree with Thanos being that high on the list.

Also, didn't Xavier say that he could put Galactus to sleep and didn't he also at one point invade Galactus mind to ... "mind-rape" him by confronting him with potential 8 billion Skrull victims if he ate their planet?

How could Superman resist the telepathy of someone like that?

Originally posted by Enzeru
I disagree with Thanos being that high on the list.

Also, didn't Xavier say that he could put Galactus to sleep and didn't he also at one point invade Galactus mind to ... "mind-rape" him by confronting him with potential 8 billion Skrull victims if he ate their planet?

How could Superman resist the telepathy of someone like that?

Don't know if Professor X said that. I just know during SECRET WARS he failed to do much of anything to Galactus' basic defenses despite a modest amp from drawing Magneto's telepathy.

Superman was able to keep it together with the information of galaxies(I think it was) being destroyed and while he needed Waverider to free him, survived "infinite information" forced into his head from the multiverse by Dominus.

My bad, I misremembered Crisis of Conscience....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
My bad, I misremembered Crisis of Conscience....

The very example cited for Superman resisting Despero? huhu uhuh

Originally posted by Delta1938
Don't know if Professor X said that. I just know during SECRET WARS he failed to do much of anything to Galactus' basic defenses despite a modest amp from drawing Magneto's telepathy.

I can't talk too much about this now, because I'm not that well versed with X-Men comic. Never was into them, so I don't know all too much about the overall context, but from what I know Xavier once invaded Galactus' mind and hit him with the positive feelings of 8 billion Skrulls.
Galactus however hit Xavier back with all of their negative feelings:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/002-X-Men90.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/003-X-Men90.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/004-X-Men90.jpg

And here Xavier stated that he could put everyone on the battlefield to sleep with a thought (Galactus was present as well):
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120293/3330979-xavier4.jpg
http://www.flashbackuniverse.com/blogImages/PierreBlogImages/artOfResearch/Illuminati0X.jpg

Although to be honest with him not being that effective against Galactus in the upper encounter I don't see him sandman'ing Galactus with a simple thought in the first place.

However, Xavier was fighting the Phoenix on an infinite planes of existence thingy WTF:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/2529351-z3fl0.jpg

But that feat is like ...

Originally posted by Delta1938
Superman was able to keep it together with the information of galaxies(I think it was) being destroyed and while he needed Waverider to free him, survived "infinite information" forced into his head from the multiverse by Dominus.

... this nonsense.

When it comes to Supermans high end feats half of the time I don't even understand what it means. Infinite what? Oh come on, that doesn't even make sense! Not again!

Originally posted by Enzeru
I can't talk too much about this now, because I'm not that well versed with X-Men comic. Never was into them, so I don't know all too much about the overall context, but from what I know Xavier once invaded Galactus' mind and hit him with the positive feelings of 8 billion Skrulls.
Galactus however hit Xavier back with all of their negative feelings:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/002-X-Men90.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/003-X-Men90.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/004-X-Men90.jpg

And here Xavier stated that he could put everyone on the battlefield to sleep with a thought (Galactus was present as well):
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120293/3330979-xavier4.jpg
http://www.flashbackuniverse.com/blogImages/PierreBlogImages/artOfResearch/Illuminati0X.jpg

Although to be honest with him not being that effective against Galactus in the upper encounter I don't see him sandman'ing Galactus with a simple thought in the first place.

However, Xavier was fighting the Phoenix on an infinite planes of existence thingy WTF:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/2529351-z3fl0.jpg


I'm not a mutant expert either. Based on the scans, it looked like Charles basically tried and failed. Maybe Galactus had his guard down for it. I dunno, I'm just going by those panels. The thing about "sandmanin'ing"(hey I like that term!!!) Galactus, that was actually a flashback of SECRET WARS and contradicts Professor X failing to even penetrate passive TP defenses despite help from Magneto. Could be a retcon, could just be the writer didn't do his homework. Not sure on that Phoenix thing either.

Originally posted by Enzeru
I can't talk too much about this now, because I'm not that well versed with X-Men comic. Never was into them, so I don't know all too much about the overall context, but from what I know Xavier once invaded Galactus' mind and hit him with the positive feelings of 8 billion Skrulls.
Galactus however hit Xavier back with all of their negative feelings:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/002-X-Men90.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/003-X-Men90.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/004-X-Men90.jpg

And here Xavier stated that he could put everyone on the battlefield to sleep with a thought (Galactus was present as well):
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120293/3330979-xavier4.jpg
http://www.flashbackuniverse.com/blogImages/PierreBlogImages/artOfResearch/Illuminati0X.jpg

Although to be honest with him not being that effective against Galactus in the upper encounter I don't see him sandman'ing Galactus with a simple thought in the first place.

However, Xavier was fighting the Phoenix on an infinite planes of existence thingy WTF:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/2529351-z3fl0.jpg

But that feat is like ...



... this nonsense.

When it comes to Supermans high end feats half of the time I don't even understand what it means. Infinite what? Oh come on, that doesn't even make sense! Not again! Basically Dominus was forcing information from a multiverse, various possible timelines, into Superman's head. Think of Galactus putting the hatred of the Skrulls into Professor X's head, but on a WTF scale.

Originally posted by Delta1938
I'm not a mutant expert either. Based on the scans, it looked like Charles basically tried and failed. Maybe Galactus had his guard down for it. I dunno, I'm just going by those panels. The thing about "sandmanin'ing"(hey I like that term!!!) Galactus, that was actually a flashback of SECRET WARS and contradicts Professor X failing to even penetrate passive TP defenses despite help from Magneto. Could be a retcon, could just be the writer didn't do his homework. Not sure on that Phoenix thing either.

But that feat is like ...



... this nonsense.

When it comes to Supermans high end feats half of the time I don't even understand what it means. Infinite what? Oh come on, that doesn't even make sense! Not again!

Basically Dominus was forcing information from a multiverse, various possible timelines, into Superman's head. Think of Galactus putting the hatred of the Skrulls into Professor X's head, but on a WTF scale.

The problem is that Xavier is a bit like J'onn. He has some amazing highs, but when he has lows? Holy shit, does he have lows. His average is around herald level in general, imo.

Superman also broke free of Mistos placing a universe's misery in his head where entire timelines were collapsing in his head.

Originally posted by CatL18
We saw him mindraped by strong telepath but he has resisted telepathy or mantal attack through his sheer willpower.
How strong is Superman against telepathy or mental attack?
And,Can he resist their mental attack?

1)Psylocke
2)Emma Frost
3)Manchester Black
4)Professor X
5)Martian Manhunter
6)Despero
7)Thanos
extra1)Galactus
extra2)Dominus
extra3)Mr Mxyzptlk

Superman has awesome mind resistance feats against Manchester Black, Martian Manhunter, Braniac, Eclipso, Union (who was the sum of billions of beings' mental strengths), Neron, The telepath of the Fatal Five, Despero, Grodd, etc. Martian Manhunter once said, Superman's mind CAN'T BE DETECTED if Superman doesn't want it to be.

Professor X should be the highest, not Thanos. Thanos can't make the entire Marvel superbeings just go to sleep.
His Galactus showing doesn't warrant him being so high since he had help just to contact Galactus. Moondragon had PREPPED a mental plane in which Thanos can try to go into Galactus mind. But Galactus through him out easily when he discovered what was going on.

Originally posted by CatL18
Many people say that Superman is vulnerable to mantal attack, so, strong telepath can easily mindrape Superman.
But, I think that Superman has resisted mental attack through sheer willpower, so, Superman is invulnerable to mental attack.
Which is true?

Willpower? Whatever...

Originally posted by Delta1938
You're not alone. So many think just because he can be effected by it, he's weak against it, like it's Kryptonite or red solar energy. Thor has been effected by it. Hell, Loki turned him into a frog once(with prep). But do you see people arguing Thor is weak against magick? Of course, different writers have different opinions, and we've seen it treated as different types have different levels of effectiveness, but most don't treat Superman against it like many argue here and elsewhere. Also, he's straight-up overcome stuff like mystical ransformatin and a death god's "death power"(for lack of a better term) though sheer willpower.

Willpower? That's ****ing stupid if true.

Originally posted by Enzeru
I disagree with Thanos being that high on the list.

Also, didn't Xavier say that he could put Galactus to sleep and didn't he also at one point invade Galactus mind to ... "mind-rape" him by confronting him with potential 8 billion Skrull victims if he ate their planet?

How could Superman resist the telepathy of someone like that?

Through "sheer willpower" or some other stupid ass excuse.

Thanos has a history of "mental attacks" too?

Or is he just for to fill the "I spite Superman" quota?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Willpower? That's ****ing stupid if true.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Comic book fans can accept just about any reason offered, but when there is no explanation, I'm not going to totally suspend logic and transform into a drooling fanboy just because everyone else is doing it.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Wrong. Consistent portrayals WITH and explanations are logical and fine by me.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
You can accept the explanation or not, but an explanation exists.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85


Yeah, and "Willpower" is not en explanation. Someone can't overturn physics because they want to. The last time I checked, that was called reality warping, which is a power in comics. Unless I missed something, that's not part of Superman's set.

Now, the explanation that it has something to do with the alien physiology of his brain is at least an accpetable explanation. Thanks for posting.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Through "sheer willpower" or some other stupid ass excuse.

I can see "willpower" giving a telepath a hard time in very specific cases like for example these:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125404/3111281-3066983157-IMG_0.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEZ0Mr9N1G4

But yeah, I do understand why the willpower-thingy bothers you... simply because most of the time there is more to telepathic resistances than just being like: "I say the nay! Talk to my willpower!"...

Originally posted by Enzeru
I can see "willpower" giving a telepath a hard time in very specific cases like for example these:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125404/3111281-3066983157-IMG_0.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEZ0Mr9N1G4

But yeah, I do understand why the willpower-thingy bothers you... simply because most of the time there is more to telepathic resistances than just being like: "I say the nay! Talk to my willpower!"...

Exactly. Even if there is some formal training on how to resist such as is the case with Cyclops. But the term "sheer willpower" irritates the pluck out of me. As melodramatic is it is illogical.

don't you ever get tired of b!tching about dc characters? so effing predictable it's nauseating....

anywho, could be stopped at 6 though it depends a bit on just what is being attempted on him and what constitutes a 'win' for kal.

Originally posted by leonidas


don't you ever get tired of b!tching about dc characters? so effing predictable it's nauseating....

Do you every get tired of trolling up to defend Superman? I have to fumigate every time you leave.

CARE TO SPEAK TO THE TOPIC?? Of course, not, troll.

http://homepage.nusens.net/pictures/troll/a.aaa-Troll-time.jpg

Originally posted by Enzeru
I can't talk too much about this now, because I'm not that well versed with X-Men comic. Never was into them, so I don't know all too much about the overall context, but from what I know Xavier once invaded Galactus' mind and hit him with the positive feelings of 8 billion Skrulls.
Galactus however hit Xavier back with all of their negative feelings:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/002-X-Men90.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/003-X-Men90.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/004-X-Men90.jpg

And here Xavier stated that he could put everyone on the battlefield to sleep with a thought (Galactus was present as well):
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120293/3330979-xavier4.jpg
http://www.flashbackuniverse.com/blogImages/PierreBlogImages/artOfResearch/Illuminati0X.jpg

Although to be honest with him not being that effective against Galactus in the upper encounter I don't see him sandman'ing Galactus with a simple thought in the first place.

However, Xavier was fighting the Phoenix on an infinite planes of existence thingy WTF:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/2529351-z3fl0.jpg

But that feat is like ...



... this nonsense.

When it comes to Supermans high end feats half of the time I don't even understand what it means. Infinite what? Oh come on, that doesn't even make sense! Not again! That was during the time Galactus ate the Skrull home world which means he was weakened. And Xavier literally accomplished nothing and Galactus went on to destroy the planet while the X-Men ran.

And in Secret Wars, Xavier and Magneto going all out couldn't even pass his defenses and almost got killed by Galactus mentally glancing in their direction. So yeah Xavier could have definitely put Galactus to sleep in Secret Wars...
Galactus was also about to feed in SW.


Also Vat sent me a Pm saying Leo sucks little boys toes. Are you going to put up with that Leo?

i agree, bran. xavier gives supes a very deep, yet surprisingly sensual, mind f*cking.

Its Dr X.uhuh

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
http://mashable.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Glee1.gif

I know you don't like DC, but neither Superman nor characters from DC are the only ones to have resisted telepathy by willpower.

Originally posted by Enzeru
I can see "willpower" giving a telepath a hard time in very specific cases like for example these:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125404/3111281-3066983157-IMG_0.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEZ0Mr9N1G4

But yeah, I do understand why the willpower-thingy bothers you... simply because most of the time there is more to telepathic resistances than just being like: "I say the nay! Talk to my willpower!"...
This is the dumbest phucking siht ever.

It's the only way the writers can have fan favourites immune to telepathy. The power of willpower, heart og friendship.

Quire danced around Wolverine's defenses twice now, and even had him in his MMO-illusion several days. Cap shouldn't be a problem.

Lol he could've been bluffing.

Quire never tried. He's just a snotty punk kid, and if such a kid got called out by Captain fricking America.....you think he'd even try?

Cool visual and all, but for all we know a pissed off Quire COULD have broken through. I know Cap has other showings, am just pointing it out.

Originally posted by Delta1938
I'm not a mutant expert either. Based on the scans, it looked like Charles basically tried and failed. Maybe Galactus had his guard down for it. I dunno, I'm just going by those panels. The thing about "sandmanin'ing"(hey I like that term!!!) Galactus, that was actually a flashback of SECRET WARS and contradicts Professor X failing to even penetrate passive TP defenses despite help from Magneto. Could be a retcon, could just be the writer didn't do his homework. Not sure on that Phoenix thing either.

Basically Dominus was forcing information from a multiverse, various possible timelines, into Superman's head. Think of Galactus putting the hatred of the Skrulls into Professor X's head, but on a WTF scale.
Xavier has always failed against Galactus. The Skrull instance, he failed to so much as budge Galactus, and G simply went on to devour the planet whole.

Secret Wars, the actual scene has him and Magneto trying, and failing to penetrate an unaware Galactus' mind, and then nearly getting killed for their trouble when Galactus finally became aware of what they were trying to do.

As far as the Phoenix instance goes, iirc Jean's own consciousness was trying to fight off the PF's corrupting influence, so there's a question mark on whether Xavier actually bested the Force under his own power straight-up.

Basically, Enzu posted scans which were either out of context, or just meaningless hyperbole on Xavier's part(the SW scan).

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Willpower? That's ****ing stupid if true.
Dr Doom resisted Purple Man, High Evolutionary, etc by his willpower.
Do you hate him?

Originally posted by Epicurus
Xavier has always failed against Galactus. The Skrull instance, he failed to so much as budge Galactus, and G simply went on to devour the planet whole.

Secret Wars, the actual scene has him and Magneto trying, and failing to penetrate an unaware Galactus' mind, and then nearly getting killed for their trouble when Galactus finally became aware of what they were trying to do.

As far as the Phoenix instance goes, iirc Jean's own consciousness was trying to fight off the PF's corrupting influence, so there's a question mark on whether Xavier actually bested the Force under his own power straight-up.

Basically, Enzu posted scans which were either out of context, or just meaningless hyperbole on Xavier's part(the SW scan).

I could see how he didn't accomplish anything significant. It seemed the biggest thing in question was whether he actually got through to Galactus at all, or Galactus let him in, with the communication(considering SECRET WARS) and Skrull anguish stuff.

Yep!! I was pointing that out and at best the scan he showed that Charles could sandman Galactus was a retcon, to an error on the writer. Or, hyperbole you mentioned works.

I think with what Enzu brought-up it was more the scale Professor X fought, on "infinite planes of existence," not so much Professor X winning, and he didn't seem sure what was going on with that.

To be fair, Enzu stated he's not familiar with them. He may have brought them up more for someone more familiar to give details.

Originally posted by CatL18
Dr Doom resisted Purple Man, High Evolutionary, etc by his willpower.
Do you hate him?

Since Doom is Marvel, I'd guess the answer is "No."

Originally posted by Delta1938
I know you don't like DC, but neither Superman nor characters from DC are the only ones to have resisted telepathy by willpower.

the overwhelming irony of someone who cries in every dc thread posting a crying gif is hilarious to me.

and of course many marvel characters resist tp via willpower. magneto has used pure willpower to resist even xavier. there are countless other examples but none of those would ever count because, well, they are marvel. predictability ftw!!1! nwoot

Originally posted by leonidas
the overwhelming irony of someone who cries in every dc thread posting a crying gif is hilarious to me.

and of course many marvel characters resist tp via willpower. magneto has used pure willpower to resist even xavier. there are countless other examples but none of those would ever count because, well, they are marvel. predictability ftw!!1! nwoot

Actually, I replaced his text rant of crying with a gif of crying.

oops.

Is there recent feat that Superman resisted powerful telepathy?
I know many feat, but I can not find recent feat.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Do you every get tired of trolling up to defend Superman? I have to fumigate every time you leave.

CARE TO SPEAK TO THE TOPIC?? Of course, not, troll.

http://homepage.nusens.net/pictures/troll/a.aaa-Troll-time.jpg

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
That was during the time Galactus ate the Skrull home world which means he was weakened. And Xavier literally accomplished nothing and Galactus went on to destroy the planet while the X-Men ran.

And in Secret Wars, Xavier and Magneto going all out couldn't even pass his defenses and almost got killed by Galactus mentally glancing in their direction. So yeah Xavier could have definitely put Galactus to sleep in Secret Wars...
Galactus was also about to feed in SW.


Also Vat sent me a Pm saying Leo sucks little boys toes. Are you going to put up with that Leo?

who the eff is vat? and i find it disturbing he went straight for a little boys crack. sneer

Oh it's vet? Guess I never looked at it nor cared. Still don't.

But anyway yeah Vat hates your guts to death.he said something like you're always trying to hop on his toes and shit.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Oh it's vet? Guess I never looked at it nor cared. Still don't.

But anyway yeah Vat hates your guts to death.he said something like you're always trying to hop on his toes and shit. Vet would end him and shove a caps lock up his ass.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Oh it's vet? Guess I never looked at it nor cared. Still don't.

But anyway yeah Vat hates your guts to death.he said something like you're always trying to hop on his toes and shit.



figured that was who you were getting at--it was him or a code name for quan. if i was him (or that toe-sucking quan) i'd hate me too. always easy to hate someone who so easily sees through your bullsh!t and calls you out on it every time.

that's why i like you so much--your bullsh!t is impenetrable. sneer

Originally posted by leonidas


figured that was who you were getting at--it was him or a code name for quan. if i was him (or that toe-sucking quan) i'd hate me too. always easy to hate someone who so easily sees through your bullsh!t and calls you out on it every time.

that's why i like you so much--your bullsh!t is impenetrable. sneer Keep running from me and your caps lock, make believe teacher. What teacher doesn't use caps, honestly.