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Hard to believe no one's done this today.

Fight:
takes place on the beach.
No prep.
No BFR.

Namor wins 10/10

Namor always stomps tight shirt.

Arthur stabs him to death

Namor wins


But fight is closer now than in the past..

I could swear they'd be even since AMs New52 showings.
Namor has flight, and a strength edge, AM has jumps, marine life push, carries a weapon...

Originally posted by riv6672
I could swear they'd be even since AMs New52 showings.
Namor has flight, and a strength edge, AM has jumps, marine life push, carries a weapon...



I think Aquaman is one of the few who have benefited from the whole 52 shabang.. Gap is closer now then before I believe.

Aquaman's made out like a bandit, yeah.

Originally posted by riv6672
I could swear they'd be even since AMs New52 showings.
Namor has flight, and a strength edge, AM has jumps, marine life push, carries a weapon...

Namor did have that spear of his in his last showing against that ersatz Martian Manhunter. All the same I think it would be a split with a very slight edge to Aquaman.

Originally posted by Stoic
Namor did have that spear of his in his last showing against that ersatz Martian Manhunter. All the same I think it would be a split with a very slight edge to Aquaman.

Namor also has a magical trident which he doesnt have to break out often because he is already a beast. Surprised to hear you give an edge to AM. No idea what that would be based on.

Originally posted by Supermex
But fight is closer now than in the past.. Aquaman might have gotten stronger but he lost a lot of TP capabilities from older versions

TP as in...?
I know he can now push animals he wasnt able to before, reptiles, amphibians, some mammals.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Aquaman might have gotten stronger but he lost a lot of TP capabilities from older versions

And Namor has very strong TP resistance.

So AM get trident and Namor doesn't? If that's the case AM wins.

So TPs off the table, then.
Dont think thats too big a deal.

Aquaman pushes Namor's shit in.

Originally posted by Supermex
Namor wins


But fight is closer now than in the past..

Overall, Aquaman was more formidable, because of his TP. With his TP he would beat Namor.

I Dont this he can tp Namor


Namor wins in a good fight

What has Namor done in the last 10 years that warrants him getting any wins over current Aquaman? Last I checked Namor's pay grade has been lowered to Luke Cage and Black Panther.

You should brush up on Namor, then.
And really, a better way to look at it would be what has Aquaman done. HIS stock has risen NAMOR level since DC relaunched.

Originally posted by riv6672
You should brush up on Namor, then.
And really, a better way to look at it would be what has Aquaman done. HIS stock has risen NAMOR level since DC relaunched.


Agree

I have nothing but love for both characters; i'm glad to see them on more even, high level terms.

Aquaman guts him with his trident.

Too close to call, depending on what powers are used I can see an argument made for 6/10 either way.

Yeah, i'm more than happy to call this as even.
I only started it because of a couple of active threads today. I appreciate the responses, which were fairly down the middle!

Namor for a slight edge.

This could change though because DC is really playing up Arthur's raw strength.

Originally posted by riv6672
You should brush up on Namor, then.
And really, a better way to look at it would be what has Aquaman done. HIS stock has risen NAMOR level since DC relaunched.

Well, then what has Namor done? Everything I've seen from him has been pretty arse, where as Aquaman has been on a consistent high note for the last 3 years.

Thats not you brushing up, thats you wanting me to do the research for you.

You don't have to post scans or anything. Just rattle off a few high feats.

Imperious sex doesn't count.

Namor killed the Martian Manhunter clone who can obviously hold off an Earth dwarfing machine.

I was actually going to post a few things i just found, but really? You seem kind of a smart ass.
Do some research, then come back with some comparisons. Namor over the last 10 years as opposed to Aquaman since the relaunch.
I'll keep an open mind.

AM takes this, nu 52 that is, if anyone disagrees I will pull out the PR signal on your A$$3$,

Aquaman wins but not anything resembling easily.

Namor has been pretty unimpressive lately.

Split.

Namor edges Aquaman out

Aquaman is too much for him.

Originally posted by riv6672
I was actually going to post a few things i just found, but really? You seem kind of a smart ass.
Do some research, then come back with some comparisons. Namor over the last 10 years as opposed to Aquaman since the relaunch.
I'll keep an open mind.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in these debate doesn't one have to support the character they're in favor of? Why is it now my job to provide your argument?

Originally posted by riv6672
TP as in...?
I know he can now push animals he wasnt able to before, reptiles, amphibians, some mammals.
Pre-FLASHPOINT Aquaman had telepathically effected birds, amphibians(I think), and people to varying degrees, for different reasons(different interpretations for how his telepathy worked). He owned a white Martians by telepathically giving him a seizure under Morrison.

Pre 52 aquaman has also controlled super powered humans (vixen and commander steel), made a Millennium Giant do as he asked, communicated with aliens, etc. I'll post some scans when I'm off work

Originally posted by -K-M-
Pre 52 aquaman has also controlled super powered humans (vixen and commander steel), made a Millennium Giant do as he asked, communicated with aliens, etc. I'll post some scans when I'm off work

(facepalm) How the **** did I forget the Millennium Giant one?

Namor for a solid 7/10

Also, Starro.

Originally posted by Delta1938
(facepalm) How the **** did I forget the Millennium Giant one?

Because you're not me. Muhahahaha

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Also, Starro.

Unless you're talking something else, I remember him not doing much else than entering Starro's mind.....before getting overwhelmed(or nearly so) by it's vastness. Then Orion hurts Starro from orbit. It's unclear if Aquaman actually got hit, but if so, probably his greatest durability feat that I don't think gets mentioned. Surviving and being conscious from a comparatively point-blank blast from Starro that KOed Orion in orbit.

Was more that he could telepathically enter a giant alien mind, whereas DCnU Aquaman hasn't.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Was more that he could telepathically enter a giant alien mind, whereas DCnU Aquaman hasn't.

In that storyline, I got the impression Starro's mind was simple, but vast, so it didn't surprise me AM could enter it telepathically.

Could go either way.

Succinct, Carver.

But no wait in the crossover aquaman dropped a killer whale on him....a killer whale.

Namor ftw.

Whole different Aquaman AND a stunt whale.

Less tp capable AQ who is maybe around the same strength barring his higher end strength feats of pre DCnU.

You dont have to try and convince me.
Either guy could get the win and i wouldnt be upset.

I would. Lol I have all 4 issues of that crossover and I must say I was sorely displeased.

Like i said, different Aquaman.
If all you're going on is Marvel Vs DC, well...yeah thats not a lot to go on.

Originally posted by riv6672
Like i said, different Aquaman.
If all you're going on is Marvel Vs DC, well...yeah thats not a lot to go on.

It showed us he's faster and more agile underwater than Namor.

It showed us Wolverine can beat Lobo.
The writers did their best with fan decided outcomes, and there are some good lines/scenes in the book but really, its mostly a crap story.

Originally posted by Delta1938
It showed us he's faster and more agile underwater than Namor.

it only proved what everyone already knew, that Aquaman would get more votes.

I was actually surprised by that.

Aquaman, after stopping the 'Atlantis destroying Trident', shot out of the Namor ballpark.

The current version'd straight up overpower Namor with superior strength and speed.

I really dont see AM being stronger than Namor.
Namor's gone up against the MUs heaviest hitters since day one. AM is just catching up.

Aquaman has also gone up against some of the toughest. He stalemated Franky for a bit in Trinity War and one shotted Hawkman.

Originally posted by riv6672
It showed us Wolverine can beat Lobo.
The writers did their best with fan decided outcomes, and there are some good lines/scenes in the book but really, its mostly a crap story.

Originally posted by namorsubby
it only proved what everyone already knew, that Aquaman would get more votes.

Originally posted by riv6672
I was actually surprised by that.

Not all of the fights were voted. Aquaman/Namor was not voted on.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Voting.jpg

Originally posted by riv6672
TP as in...?
I know he can now push animals he wasnt able to before, reptiles, amphibians, some mammals.

Huh?

Aquaman's telepathy was far superior before the reboot.

After Namor fight with Thing,Cage and Bp.
I say AM.biscuits

Originally posted by Golgo13
Aquaman has also gone up against some of the toughest. He stalemated Franky for a bit in Trinity War and one shotted Hawkman.
See? He's catching up.

Lol. Hawkman being 'toughest'.

Okay, you only get to make fun of ONE of my fave heroes per thread. Its in the rules.

Originally posted by riv6672
Okay, you only get to make fun of ONE of my fave heroes per thread. Its in the rules.

Tell me several of your favorites. So I can.....praise them.

That sounded vaguely...sexual. I like it!

Originally posted by riv6672
That sounded vaguely...sexual. I like it!

http://www.troll.me/images/emo-leatherface/oh-yeah-so-does-your-mom.jpg

Ha, she most likely would! Or likey wood. Either way...

Originally posted by riv6672
Ha, she most likely would! Or likey wood. Either way...

I actually laughed at that pun. Considering my hatred of puns, you've accomplished an amazing feat.

Sweet...

Doesnt current New 52 Aquaman have continent busting resistance feats?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. Hawkman being 'toughest'.

Hehehe, I didn't mean Hawkman was the toughest, just that it was a good feat by itself.

It IS.

Aquaman has been consistently good even before the reboot. I'd peg him over Namor, if you consider all his abilities. And when the Pimp, I mean water hand comes into play, it's a stomp.

I know AMs always been good; i've been saying it for years. Fans are are just now realizing it.
And of course there's no water hand anymore...

Originally posted by riv6672
I know AMs always been good; i've been saying it for years. Fans are are just now realizing it.
And of course there's no water hand anymore...

SUPER FRIENDS. I blame that.

That show was ahead of its time.
Cyborg was in the League in the show well before the New52!

Originally posted by riv6672
That show was ahead of its time.
Cyborg was in the League in the show well before the New52!

They needed a more popular Token Black Guy than Black Vulcan. Who was pretty cool despite being a generic rip-off of Black Lightning.

Also, I think Cyborg was a member Pre-FLASHPOINT. Not positive.

Not positive...
You saying all token black guys look alike to you?
I see.

Originally posted by riv6672
Not positive...
You saying all token black guys look alike to you?
I see.

Apache Chief, Samurai, El Dorado, Black Vulcan, they all looked the same in the face, just different hair styles, costumes and skin tones. Deal with it. sneer

hahah I just realized you might have misunderstood my "not positive."

Oh i understood it fine.

Originally posted by riv6672
Oh i understood it fine.

Then what did I mean?

Originally posted by Delta1938
SUPER FRIENDS. I blame that.

No, superfriends nailed him. When Namor was brawling with Hulk, Arthur was straddling giant seahorses.

Ha, thats not as easy as it looks!

Originally posted by abhilegend
Scans please.

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Originally posted by krisblaze
^ This.

pre-boot aquaman had many, many highs and lows, but DCNU's consistently been portrayed at a level that's out of Namor's league.

Great scans!

Originally posted by abhilegend
Great googly moogly!!


Arthur is a beast!! Yeah, I've been saying ever since Flashpoint happened - he's going to be portrayed as a potential rival to Wonder Woman in the new 52.

Originally posted by krisblaze
^ This.

pre-boot aquaman had many, many highs and lows, but DCNU's consistently been portrayed at a level that's out of Namor's league. I don't really think so at all honestly. I haven't read every AQ appearance post flashpoint, but I kept up with his solo for some time. I didn't see anything to suggest he was stronger, faster, or more durable. Bullets made him bleed. Iirc he kinda scuffled with superman in that jla arc involving Atlantis but still.

Originally posted by namorsubby
I don't really think so at all honestly. I haven't read every AQ appearance post flashpoint, but I kept up with his solo for some time. I didn't see anything to suggest he was stronger, faster, or more durable. Bullets made him bleed. Iirc he kinda scuffled with superman in that jla arc involving Atlantis but still.

he's had far more consistent showings of strength and durability since the reboot. that's primarily because they focus on his physical side more than his telepathy side, which pre-flashpoint, was considered his primary weapon.

Johns flipped that, and sure, while PreFP Aquaman does have some nice feats of strength and durability, the upper ones aren't nearly as numerous as the ones he's had in the last 2 or so years.

Originally posted by namorsubby
I don't really think so at all honestly. I haven't read every AQ appearance post flashpoint, but I kept up with his solo for some time. I didn't see anything to suggest he was stronger, faster, or more durable. Bullets made him bleed. Iirc he kinda scuffled with superman in that jla arc involving Atlantis but still.

The bullet-thing was bad, but I just chalk it up to writer mistake or something as it was a once-time occurance.

He's consistently taken hits from people like Wonder Woman. If bullets are strong enough to pierce his skin, then a punch from her would cause his entire body to rupture and fall apart.

He has a durability feat where a huge monster step on him, and Aquaman was immediately on his feet and fine.

Strength feats of stalemating Frankenstein in a test of strength, being on par with Wonder Woman strength wise, restraining and choking Cheetah with one hand while underwater, towing a huge ship away from a storm with one arm, lifting up a cruise ship.

There also been times where he has tanked bullets, and he healed quickly after being impaled by multiple ice spikes.

I've always thought Aquaman was under rated, much like guys marvel counterpart. I haven't even read a recent AQ appearance post flashpoint or anything dc except batman. I've never thought he was that far behind Namor physically, even pre flashpoint. He had many impressive showings even then.

Originally posted by krisblaze
The bullet-thing was bad, but I just chalk it up to writer mistake or something as it was a once-time occurance.

He's consistently taken hits from people like Wonder Woman. If bullets are strong enough to pierce his skin, then a punch from her would cause his entire body to rupture and fall apart.

Originally posted by Supermutant
He has a durability feat where a huge monster step on him, and Aquaman was immediately on his feet and fine.

Strength feats of stalemating Frankenstein in a test of strength, being on par with Wonder Woman strength wise, restraining and choking Cheetah with one hand while underwater, towing a huge ship away from a storm with one arm, lifting up a cruise ship.

There also been times where he has tanked bullets, and he healed quickly after being impaled by multiple ice spikes.

He's like Wonder Woman or Thor at times: Pointy hurt, blunt no hurt.

Since the reboot, it's important to remember that when it comes to bullets, they might be strong enough to nick his skin, but they do flatten, so they are hitting his muscles, which in themselves seem to be bullet-proof. That, or another layer of his skin.

He's taken multiple hits from AK rifles and all they did was piss him off.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Great googly moogly!!


Arthur is a beast!!

I seem to remember some big, yellow thing saying that.

Originally posted by -Pr-
He's like Wonder Woman or Thor at times: Pointy hurt, blunt no hurt.

Since the reboot, it's important to remember that when it comes to bullets, they might be strong enough to nick his skin, but they do flatten, so they are hitting his muscles, which in themselves seem to be bullet-proof. That, or another layer of his skin.

He's taken multiple hits from AK rifles and all they did was piss him off.
Nice.
Somecate overlooking this.

Neither character wins without any trouble.