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what are

1. SS
2. Thor
2a. BRB
3. Hulk (Average mad)
4 . Hulk (Really pissed)
5. Superman
6. MM
7. WW
8. DD
9. Despero
10. Mangog (Average SA and later showings)
11. Larfleeze
12. Lord Mar vell
13. Kingdom Gog
14. Odin
15. DP Tyrant

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
what are

1. SS
2. Thor
2a. BRB
3. Hulk (Average mad)
4 . Hulk (Really pissed)
5. Superman
6. MM
7. WW
8. DD
9. Despero
10. Mangog (Average SA and later showings)
11. Larfleeze
12. Lord Mar vell
13. Kingdom Gog
14. Odin
15. DP Tyrant

I have ALWAYS wanted to do a scale like this! I started one years ago and didn't finish. It would take time to do it right. The higher end characters would technically be off the scale, so there would be no rating. Thanos would rate in the area of 30 points higher than the elite heralds AT A MINIMUM.

1. SS - 70
2. Thor - 70 (that's on average, when serious 80 or 85)
2a. BRB - 65 (Thanos crushed him)
3. Hulk (Average mad) - depends on Average mad. I've seen a not so pissed Hulk walk through teams. 85 or 90
4 . Hulk (Really pissed) - 110 a really pissed Hulk shreds trans tier characters with single punches (Onslaught. Bust through Galaxy Master attacks. There's more)
5. Superman - depends. On average i would put him around Surfer levels. Determine Superman 85.
6. MM - 60
7. WW - Wonder Woman can be a bigger threat over a lot of people here due to her artifacts and ability of deflecting energy attacks along with her one shot weapons. Will come back to this one.
8. DD - guessing you mean Doomsday and not Daredevil. 100
9. Despero -Despero varies. 70
10. Mangog (Average SA and later showings) - 100
11. Larfleeze - 85
12. Lord Mar vell - 95
13. Kingdom Gog - 110
14. Odin - so far above Thanos and everyone here its ridiculous.
15. DP Tyrant - so far above everyone here that it's ridiculous.

A daily facepalm for carter.
facepalm

Originally posted by Estacado
A daily facepalm for carter.
facepalm

Originally posted by carver9
1. SS - 70
2. Thor - 70 (that's on average, when serious 80 or 85)
2a. BRB - 65 (Thanos crushed him)
3. Hulk (Average mad) - depends on Average mad. I've seen a not so pissed Hulk walk through teams. 85 or 90
4 . Hulk (Really pissed) - 110 a really pissed Hulk shreds trans tier characters with single punches (Onslaught. Bust through Galaxy Master attacks. There's more)
5. Superman - depends. On average i would put him around Surfer levels. Determine Superman 85.
6. MM - 60
7. WW - Wonder Woman can be a bigger threat over a lot of people here due to her artifacts and ability of deflecting energy attacks along with her one shot weapons. Will come back to this one.
8. DD - guessing you mean Doomsday and not Daredevil. 100
9. Despero -Despero varies. 70
10. Mangog (Average SA and later showings) - 100
11. Larfleeze - 85
12. Lord Mar vell - 95
13. Kingdom Gog - 110
14. Odin - so far above Thanos and everyone here its ridiculous.
15. DP Tyrant - so far above everyone here that it's ridiculous.

Carver, you just lost ALL credibility with your Hulk average rating. Are you mad?? Seriously, this is not even a measure of strength, it's FORMIDABILITY, the entire package!! Hulk can't ****ing fly, he can be drained and he can't easily return from removal! Take off the Hulk gloves for a second.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Carver, you just lost ALL credibility with your Hulk average rating. Are you mad?? Seriously, this is not even a measure of strength, it's FORMIDABILITY, the entire package!! Hulk can't ****ing fly, he can be drained and he can't easily return from removal! Take off the Hulk gloves for a second.

Not including bfring. With bfr included, that's a different story. Draining works 'sometimes' depending on his mind set.

I know it's for formidability. That's what I'm basing it off of.

1. SS--60
2. Thor--60
2a. BRB--55
3. Hulk (Average mad)--45
4 . Hulk (Really pissed)--depends, are you talking wbh? if so ?? maybe 100, maybe a little higher
5. Superman--60
6. MM--55
7. WW--50
8. DD--hp? 100
9. Despero--70 though may vary
10. Mangog (Average SA and later showings)--100
11. Larfleeze--85
12. Lord Mar vell--75
13. Kingdom Gog--150
14. Odin--155
15. DP Tyrant--175

some pretty close levels in there and my opinion on some can be swayed. one thing that is and remains consistent is thanos' handling of high heralds. he usually simply beats them down, so no high herald can be very close to him imo.

Carver proves why he's reguraly mocked and regarded as a forum joke

Yes Big Leo.. HPDD

yes essentially WBH

Interesting to see you put Gog so close to Odin... I see why.. I was just slightly surprised I should say.

Originally posted by leonidas
1. SS--60
2. Thor--60
2a. BRB--55
3. Hulk (Average mad)--45
4 . Hulk (Really pissed)--depends, are you talking wbh? if so ?? maybe 100, maybe a little higher
5. Superman--60
6. MM--55
7. WW--50
8. DD--hp? 100
9. Despero--70 though may vary
10. Mangog (Average SA and later showings)--100
11. Larfleeze--85
12. Lord Mar vell--75
13. Kingdom Gog--150
14. Odin--155
15. DP Tyrant--175

some pretty close levels in there and my opinion on some can be swayed. one thing that is and remains consistent is thanos' handling of high heralds. he usually simply beats them down, so no high herald can be very close to him imo.
This is actually a damn good scale. I'd change nothing.

Originally posted by leonidas
1. SS--60
2. Thor--60
2a. BRB--55
3. Hulk (Average mad)--45
4 . Hulk (Really pissed)--depends, are you talking wbh? if so ?? maybe 100, maybe a little higher
5. Superman--60
6. MM--55
7. WW--50
8. DD--hp? 100
9. Despero--70 though may vary
10. Mangog (Average SA and later showings)--100
11. Larfleeze--85
12. Lord Mar vell--75
13. Kingdom Gog--150
14. Odin--155
15. DP Tyrant--175

some pretty close levels in there and my opinion on some can be swayed. one thing that is and remains consistent is thanos' handling of high heralds. he usually simply beats them down, so no high herald can be very close to him imo.

Lord Marvell would be much higher. He vaporized a bowing Magus which is unfathomable. Thanos beat him because of his connection with death, not his raw power.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Lord Marvell would be much higher. He vaporized a bowing Magus which is unfathomable. Thanos beat him because of his connection with death, not his raw power.
He did tool him though. Not unlike how he tooled Bill and Ronan recently. I definitely would have him higher though. 90 probably?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He did tool him though. Not unlike how he tooled Bill and Ronan recently. I definitely would have him higher though. 90 probably?

Not, I'm saying he was higher than Thanos just as Magus > Thanos. He was the ruler of that universe. It's just that Thanos introduce death to that realm that had defeated death.

Originally posted by leonidas
1. SS--60
2. Thor--60
2a. BRB--55
3. Hulk (Average mad)--45
4 . Hulk (Really pissed)--depends, are you talking wbh? if so ?? maybe 100, maybe a little higher
5. Superman--60
6. MM--55
7. WW--50
8. DD--hp? 100
9. Despero--70 though may vary
10. Mangog (Average SA and later showings)--100
11. Larfleeze--85
12. Lord Mar vell--75
13. Kingdom Gog--150
14. Odin--155
15. DP Tyrant--175

some pretty close levels in there and my opinion on some can be swayed. one thing that is and remains consistent is thanos' handling of high heralds. he usually simply beats them down, so no high herald can be very close to him imo.

I'm with zopzop...

This is a pretty good assessment...

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
what are
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1. SS=200
2. Thor=70
2a. BRB=65
3. Hulk (Average mad)=50
4 . Hulk (WBH)=200
5. Superman=150
6. MM=90
7. WW=110
8. DD=100
9. Despero=90
10. Mangog (Average SA and later showings)=80
11. Larfleeze=?
12. Lord Mar vell=65
13. Kingdom Gog=?
14. Odin=200
15. DP Tyrant=150

So, by your own scale, youre saying Wonder Woman and Superman have higher durability than Doomsday? And Silver Surfer is twice as durable as Thanos? And Superman is as durable as DP Tyrant??

I'm having a hard time grasping what we should consider "formidability" here, I do not see it purely as being more powerful, but posing a greater and more meaningful threat in several levels.

With that in mind, Thanos towers over all of them except Superman. Thor is third, just above Tyrant. The rest kind of suck.

Originally posted by h1a8
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1. SS=200
2. Thor=70
2a. BRB=65
3. Hulk (Average mad)=50
4 . Hulk (WBH)=200
5. Superman=150
6. MM=90
7. WW=110
8. DD=100
9. Despero=90
10. Mangog (Average SA and later showings)=80
11. Larfleeze=?
12. Lord Mar vell=65
13. Kingdom Gog=?
14. Odin=200
15. DP Tyrant=150
facepalm

1. SS, CL 100 Strength, Flight, HH durability, Power Cosmic = 50
2. Thor, CL 100+ Strength, Flight, HH durability, Mjolnir (Magic), H2H skills, WM = 60
2a. BRB, CL 100+ Strength, Flight, HH durability, Stormbreaker (Magic), H2H = 50
3. Hulk (Average mad), CL 100+ Strength, HF, HH durability = 30
4 . Hulk (Really pissed) WB, CL 100++ Strength, HF, Trans durability = 40

Originally posted by h1a8
In a forum setting and at Full Capacity

1. SS=200
2. Thor=70
2a. BRB=65
3. Hulk (Average mad)=50
4 . Hulk (WBH)=200
5. Superman=150
6. MM=90
7. WW=110
8. DD=100
9. Despero=90
10. Mangog (Average SA and later showings)=80
11. Larfleeze=?
12. Lord Mar vell=65
13. Kingdom Gog=?
14. Odin=200
15. DP Tyrant=150 ....

Da Fuq.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
....

Da Fuq. didn't you know Silver Surfer was twice as formidable as Thanos, more formidable than Tyrant and as formidable as Odin!

Originally posted by Insane Titan
didn't you know Silver Surfer was twice as formidable as Thanos, more formidable than Tyrant and as formidable as Odin!
Same can be said about WBH.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Carver, you just lost ALL credibility with your Hulk average rating. Are you mad?? Seriously, this is not even a measure of strength, it's FORMIDABILITY, the entire package!! Hulk can't ****ing fly, he can be drained and he can't easily return from removal! Take off the Hulk gloves for a second.

In Carver's defense...

FORMIDABLE

adjective
1.
causing fear, apprehension, or dread
2.
of discouraging or awesome strength, size, difficulty, etc.; intimidating

adjective
3.
arousing feelings of awe or admiration because of grandeur, strength, etc.
4.
of great strength; forceful; powerful

Most of that pretty accurately describes the Hulk.

The OP leaves things wide open to interpretation, and so, arguments by using this word whether by accident or design.

ALL OF YOUR LISTS ARE TERRIBLE! SHAME ON YOU. SHAME. ON. YOU!

A good way of approaching such list is by looking at it in a way, where YOU would have to face these characters, while either being Spider-Man, Superman, Odin or maybe even Galactus!
But maybe also a team of superheroes, who would have to face that one single opponent, if that makes it easier to determine their formidability.

THANOS = 100

Thanos carries insane tech, which boosts his durability greatly, to a point, where he can tank Black Bolt's screams, withstand Odin for a while and even take an attack from Omega. He has enough strength to kill High Heralds with mere strikes and has such a strong mind, that telepathy is fairly useless against him.

However, Thanos does have two problems, which are the reason why he won't be too much higher than some of the High Heralds on the list.

1. Thanos is not a fast character. In fact his track record against fast characters in extremely bad... He couldn't even catch Spider-Man. A character like Superman could be dancing in circles around Thanos. If faster characters don't want to tag them, he won't tag them, unless they make a mistake.

2. Thanos relies on tech... and this is something that might upset the hardcore Thanos fans on this board, but Thanos insane durability is a byproduct from his battle armor, which he always wears and force fields, which he can use.
I've read stories with Thanos stating that he would have been in a lot of trouble, if it wasn't for his battle armor and without his battle armor he has suffered from damage faster than usually (like in the Maker fight).
Imagine Superman speedblitzing Thanos ans stripping him naked off his tech :-D In a well written comic Gladiator would do the same to Thanos and be much more effective with mere strikes afterwards.
A matter manipulator might be able to simply remove Thanos armor and force field devices.

... AND NOW THE REAL DEAL!

HULK (Average mad) & HULK (Really pissed) = 30

It's the same, really... A really pissed Hulk (not considering World Breaker) doesn't develop any new powers, which let him deal with threats any different than a calmer version can.
Hulk has the striking, the strength and the durability / healing factor to compete with the strongest, but he falls short big time, when it comes to the versatility department... If Hulk has to deal with someone, where smashing is not enough, then he has a problem. If Hulk has to deal with someone, who is speedwise much faster than him, then he has a problem. If Hulk has to fly, then he has a problem. If Hulk has to BFR someone effectivly, then he has a problem. If Hulk has to attack someone directly from the distance, then he has a problem.

Hulk gets portrayed much better in comic books than he actually should and we all know it. Even Carver knows it. Hulk might win 5 out of 10 comic book battles against certain characters, but when it comes to board battles, he would lose all 10 of these fights against the same characters.

BETA RAY BILL = 55

It can be argued that Beta Ray Bill should be above Thor, because he has held his own against Thor and overall seems to be more willing to do what has to be done, but at the same time Thor simply has much more and much greater feats, which overall let him look more capable.
Bill has the same speed limitations, but less of a problem with the warrior spirit.

THOR = 60

Thor is powerful and wields the ultimate plot device in his right hand, but what limits him are his lack of speed and his warrior mindset sometimes.

1. Thor is not a fast character... Meta-humans like Spider-Man and Wolverine can typically dance circles around him.

2. And his warrior spirit lets him simply rush in and Mjolnir smash most of the time, rather than relying on its powerful magic and its many abilities. However, if Thor decides to go fully out with Mjolnir, then he is capable of causing great harm to many characters, who can't dodge it. The same applies for his striking with Mjolnir. Thor has pretty much some of the best striking feats in all of comic books.

Pre New 52 DOOMSDAY = 65

You might think that he is pretty low on the list, but the only reason for that might be the H/P version of Doomsday, right? Don't think that way... Doomsday is usually not portrayed like that. That was one story and yes, he was impressive, but his standards are much lower, when it comes to physical attributes.

He doesn't have the greatest versatility himself, but what speaks for him being above someone like Hulk and Thor is his superior speed (which is very underestimated) and he gets few extra points for his ability to adapt very, very quickly to new attacks, if we go by certain encounters.

He is also above Thor and Beta Ray Bill, because when you fight Doomsday, then you know that crap is about to go down, since he doesn't hold back at all and goes for the kill.

Pre New 52 WONDER WOMAN = 65

Similar to Superman, which you will read below... she has quite a few attributes speaking for her: strength, speed, durability, flight and fighting skill. However, she is less versatile, because he doesn't have any real ranged abilities and she also obviously has much less feats than Superman to really be a major threat, but we still know that she is a High Herald, who can compete with other High Heralds.

If you had the chance to fight against either Wonder Woman or Thor, I'm pretty sure that you would pick Thor, because chances are higher that you would have more time doing stuff with him being slower than Wonder Woman and also showcasing less skill than she does on a regular basis, so you might have a better chance of landing your own attacks.

Pre New 52 SUPERMAN = 70

There is quite a lot that speaks for Superman: He is strong, fast, invulnerable, can fly and also has ranged abilities like Heat Vision and Freeze Breath.
One might say that he is an all-around-package, but it's still nothing special. Superman relies on punching his opponents into submission and if he is facing someone, where punching is not enough, then DC comics simply write something stupid so that punching becomes enough once again... "Oh, Emperor Joker has gained reality warping powers? Nooo problem, we'll let Superman simply fly through his head and pretend that it almost killed an omnipotent being!"

The reason why Superman is above Thor, is mainly his speed and with Heat Vision and Freeze Breath he is juuust versatile enough to be a threat, but he still doesn't come close to someone like Silver Surfer and Thanos, who all can inflict planet busting damage and continue to fight like nothing happened, while exploding planets usually knock Superman out.

Pre New 52 MARTIAN MANHUNTER = 75

Pretty much all of Superman's powers and then even more: invisibility, intangibility, powerful telepathy and shapeshifting.
So basically if you're not an insanely powerful telepath as well, or at least have major telepathic resistances, there is no way you'll come close to beating this guy.

He has everything he needs to be one of the most powerful - if not the most powerful being on DC Earth, if it wasn't for his insane jobber aura. But the jobber aura is not the reason why he is not - for example - on Silver Surfers level.
Manhunters telepathy might be powerful enough to take out a lot of his enemies, but if he for some reason can't affect someone telepathically, then he has much less options than Silver Surfer to stay in the fight and he has less feats than Superman to be a bigger threat in the brawling department.

SILVER SURFER = 80

There is no doubt that Thanos is more powerful than the Silver Surfer, but when you fight against Thanos you have the time and the distance to deal with him easier than against someone like the Silver Surfer.

Silver Surfer might not be able to take the same amount of damage as Thanos, but he is much faster and if you're not fast yourself, you won't tag him.
Supposedly he could create a black hole in your head, or keep you busy in the front and trap you inside his board from behind.
He still has the damage output to destroy planets and just enough durability to last long enough to cause you some trouble, if you're not a very versatile trans level character.
Then there is also the Astral Plane.

What would keep the Silver Surfer back even in a well written fight are his strong morals.

MANGOG (Average SA and later showings) = 85

Mangog really shouldn't be that high on the list, but his overall strength and durability were on a point, where it was simply too much to overcome. Simply being faster and more versatile wasn't enough at that point. You also needed to have a similar amount of capability and we're talking about Skyfather levels now.

But at the same time it's not Surtur we're talking about, and Mangog also got downgraded throughout his existence.
Seeing him being somewhat afraid of Thanos and his overall downgrade are the reason, why he is below Thanos, but he is still a very problematic foe and even if you're fast and versatile, you also need to have the needed strength and durability to compete with him.

SENTRY = OVER 9000!!!

Sentry is the most beautiful character in the Marvel universe. Period.

More nonsense than Thanos durability relies on tech. Care to post any proof to back this up?

Enzeru...then you think like 90% Thanos fights had massively PIS (his being able to Tag guys far faster than him) ?

Imo Thanos does have superspeed in reflexes and reactions.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
More nonsense than Thanos durability relies on tech. Care to post any proof to back this up?
Your obstinance is why you are reguraly mocked and regarded as a forum joke.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
More nonsense than Thanos durability relies on tech. Care to post any proof to back this up?

Why are you calling it "nonsense"? If you consider yourself the Thanos expert on this site, then good for you, but you being the expert on something, doesn't mean that other people don't have their takes on something - wrong or right.

Use your knowledge to prove them otherwise, instead of immediately starting off aggressivly and by doing that already creating an uncomfortable debating environment.

This is my reason for believing that a big part of Thanos durability is his tech:
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/5420/304xm.jpg

In that instance he states that he survived the attack thanks to three of his force fields and his armor, which at that point is destroyed.
It's a great showing for his tech overall and even a better showing for his opponent, since one of Thanos force fields is capable of blocking a lot of damage.

But then there is also his armor, which in eyes isn't simply a supervillain suit. He calls it armor and that armor took part in protecting him from the attack. So every time he runs around in his golden-blue suit, he wears armor, which is more than capable of absorbing a lot of damage.

Then I look at his encounter with the Maker, where he didn't have his armor and Maker's damage (be it direct damage or collateral damage) takes him out quicker than other instances have, where he tanked planetary explosions and stuff like that:
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Durability5_zps9bb69f11.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Durability51_zpsf1b0c251.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Durability53_zps54c6401f.jpg

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Enzeru...then you think like 90% Thanos fights had massively PIS (his being able to Tag guys far faster than him)?

Imo Thanos does have superspeed in reflexes and reactions.

I don't necessarily think that its PIS, because Thanos for example is not the prime example, when it comes to PIS fights unlike Hulk, who straight up manages to tag faster characters, even though his greatest speed reaction and speed showings don't come even close to theirs.
When it comes to Thanos he either had bad showings in terms of speed, or the narration specifically stated that something was off.

Here is Thanos facing Eros and he has MASSIVE problems dealing with Eros speed advantage:
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Eros1_zpsa25ac2a8.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Eros2_zps64a956cb.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Eros3_zpsdc9ff684.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Eros4_zps87faf074.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Eros5_zpsd98281e9.jpg

Here is Thanos not being able to tag Captain Marvel and only manages to grab him, when Captain Marvel flies too slow and too low, but even there Captain Marvel manages to throw a punch, before Thanos can act:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/51088/2979162-8070293810-10009.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/53235/1000920-captain_marvel_v1___31___18.jpg

Here is the Runner massivly outspeeding Thanos:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/82914/3643027-7368651177-34189.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/82914/3643080-2226832520-runne.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/82914/3643081-4648541796-runne.jpg

And then there is even a screenshot of Thanos sending his guards after Spider-Man, because he can't catch him...

In all of those encounters Thanos lack of speed is being portrayed, when compared to faster characters. It's not me lowballing. There is absolutely not even a single showing that speaks for Thanos having some kind of super speed and the only arguable showing is wonky as ****, because it can also be argued that Silver Surfer simply missed his target.
Silver Surfer doesn't use his speed in fights against Thanos for the same reason Gladiator / Sentry don't use their speed in fights against the Hulk... Imagine how stupid Thanos and Hulk would look in a comic and how upset the fans would be, if they saw their favorite characters not being able to land a single hit. Yeah.

Originally posted by leonidas
1. SS--60
2. Thor--60
2a. BRB--55
3. Hulk (Average mad)--45
4 . Hulk (Really pissed)--depends, are you talking wbh? if so ?? maybe 100, maybe a little higher
5. Superman--60
6. MM--55
7. WW--50
8. DD--hp? 100
9. Despero--70 though may vary
10. Mangog (Average SA and later showings)--100
11. Larfleeze--85
12. Lord Mar vell--75
13. Kingdom Gog--150
14. Odin--155
15. DP Tyrant--175


Pretty good actually, but it can be hard to judge some of these because Thanos fights usually have a healthy dose of CIS/PIS involved.

I might reduce SS even further because he relies entirely on energy attacks against Thanos, and that's something Thanos tanks pretty well. Thor I might up slightly because of Mjolnir and his higher showings, but his showings vary a lot.

DD - current yes. If it was one of his most powerful preboot versions I'd place him higher. Despero not sure, there are different versions and the most powerful would be higher. Mangog SA I'd put well over 100, but the character has been watered down over time.

Originally posted by riv6672
Your obstinance is why you are reguraly mocked and regarded as a forum joke. keep trolling then hopefully you may get your wish and make friends sock

Originally posted by Enzeru
Why are you calling it "nonsense"? If you consider yourself the Thanos expert on this site, then good for you, but you being the expert on something, doesn't mean that other people don't have their takes on something - wrong or right.

Use your knowledge to prove them otherwise, instead of immediately starting off aggressivly and by doing that already creating an uncomfortable debating environment.

This is my reason for believing that a big part of Thanos durability is his tech:
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/5420/304xm.jpg

In that instance he states that he survived the attack thanks to three of his force fields and his armor, which at that point is destroyed.
It's a great showing for his tech overall and even a better showing for his opponent, since one of Thanos force fields is capable of blocking a lot of damage.

But then there is also his armor, which in eyes isn't simply a supervillain suit. He calls it armor and that armor took part in protecting him from the attack. So every time he runs around in his golden-blue suit, he wears armor, which is more than capable of absorbing a lot of damage.

Then I look at his encounter with the Maker, where he didn't have his armor and Maker's damage (be it direct damage or collateral damage) takes him out quicker than other instances have, where he tanked planetary explosions and stuff like that:
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Durability5_zps9bb69f11.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Durability51_zpsf1b0c251.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Durability53_zps54c6401f.jpg



I don't necessarily think that its PIS, because Thanos for example is not the prime example, when it comes to PIS fights unlike Hulk, who straight up manages to tag faster characters, even though his greatest speed reaction and speed showings don't come even close to theirs.
When it comes to Thanos he either had bad showings in terms of speed, or the narration specifically stated that something was off.

Here is Thanos facing Eros and he has MASSIVE problems dealing with Eros speed advantage:
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Eros1_zpsa25ac2a8.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Eros2_zps64a956cb.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Eros3_zpsdc9ff684.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Eros4_zps87faf074.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Eros5_zpsd98281e9.jpg

Here is Thanos not being able to tag Captain Marvel and only manages to grab him, when Captain Marvel flies too slow and too low, but even there Captain Marvel manages to throw a punch, before Thanos can act:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/51088/2979162-8070293810-10009.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/53235/1000920-captain_marvel_v1___31___18.jpg

Here is the Runner massivly outspeeding Thanos:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/82914/3643027-7368651177-34189.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/82914/3643080-2226832520-runne.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/82914/3643081-4648541796-runne.jpg

And then there is even a screenshot of Thanos sending his guards after Spider-Man, because he can't catch him...

In all of those encounters Thanos lack of speed is being portrayed, when compared to faster characters. It's not me lowballing. There is absolutely not even a single showing that speaks for Thanos having some kind of super speed and the only arguable showing is wonky as ****, because it can also be argued that Silver Surfer simply missed his target.
Silver Surfer doesn't use his speed in fights against Thanos for the same reason Gladiator / Sentry don't use their speed in fights against the Hulk... Imagine how stupid Thanos and Hulk would look in a comic and how upset the fans would be, if they saw their favorite characters not being able to land a single hit. Yeah. you have a single instance of Thanos using his sheilds which he called for btw against a being twice as powerful as Galactus. You act like Maker was nothing , when Thanos fought her the madness she had was gone plus it was stated on panel she still had enough power to reverse the crunch energies.

The amount of times he has not used sheilds far far out way the time he has. For instance just recently he never used his sheilds against Black Bolt and Thor or members of the Annihilators. He took hammer shits to the head from Thor and Ronanwith no effect.

It's a common myth he uses sheilds all the time when off hand I can name Odin, Maker, Tyrant , Lord Marvell , Silver Surfer and the Doppleganger plus his recent fights where he never use can sheild.

As for "battle Armor" argument he took a gas gaint exploding to the face without any Armor and was fine , that just shows how powerful Makers blast was.

1. SS--40
2. Thor--40
2a. BRB--35
3. Hulk (Average mad)--15
4 . Hulk (Really pissed)--40
5. Superman--35
6. MM--40
7. WW--40
8. DD--hp? 40
9. Despero--65
10. Mangog (Average SA and later showings)-- 65
11. Larfleeze--70
12. Lord Mar vell--50
13. Kingdom Gog--?
14. Odin--130
15. DP Tyrant--105

Originally posted by Enzeru
Why are you calling it "nonsense"? If you consider yourself the Thanos expert on this site, then good for you, but you being the expert on something, doesn't mean that other people don't have their takes on something - wrong or right.

Use your knowledge to prove them otherwise, instead of immediately starting off aggressivly and by doing that already creating an uncomfortable debating environment.

This is my reason for believing that a big part of Thanos durability is his tech:
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/5420/304xm.jpg

In that instance he states that he survived the attack thanks to three of his force fields and his armor, which at that point is destroyed.
It's a great showing for his tech overall and even a better showing for his opponent, since one of Thanos force fields is capable of blocking a lot of damage.

But then there is also his armor, which in eyes isn't simply a supervillain suit. He calls it armor and that armor took part in protecting him from the attack. So every time he runs around in his golden-blue suit, he wears armor, which is more than capable of absorbing a lot of damage.

Then I look at his encounter with the Maker, where he didn't have his armor and Maker's damage (be it direct damage or collateral damage) takes him out quicker than other instances have, where he tanked planetary explosions and stuff like that:
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Durability5_zps9bb69f11.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Durability51_zpsf1b0c251.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Durability53_zps54c6401f.jpg



I don't necessarily think that its PIS, because Thanos for example is not the prime example, when it comes to PIS fights unlike Hulk, who straight up manages to tag faster characters, even though his greatest speed reaction and speed showings don't come even close to theirs.
When it comes to Thanos he either had bad showings in terms of speed, or the narration specifically stated that something was off.

Here is Thanos facing Eros and he has MASSIVE problems dealing with Eros speed advantage:
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Eros1_zpsa25ac2a8.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Eros2_zps64a956cb.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Eros3_zpsdc9ff684.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Eros4_zps87faf074.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Eros5_zpsd98281e9.jpg

Here is Thanos not being able to tag Captain Marvel and only manages to grab him, when Captain Marvel flies too slow and too low, but even there Captain Marvel manages to throw a punch, before Thanos can act:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/51088/2979162-8070293810-10009.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/53235/1000920-captain_marvel_v1___31___18.jpg

Here is the Runner massivly outspeeding Thanos:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/82914/3643027-7368651177-34189.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/82914/3643080-2226832520-runne.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/82914/3643081-4648541796-runne.jpg

And then there is even a screenshot of Thanos sending his guards after Spider-Man, because he can't catch him...

In all of those encounters Thanos lack of speed is being portrayed, when compared to faster characters. It's not me lowballing. There is absolutely not even a single showing that speaks for Thanos having some kind of super speed and the only arguable showing is wonky as ****, because it can also be argued that Silver Surfer simply missed his target.
Silver Surfer doesn't use his speed in fights against Thanos for the same reason Gladiator / Sentry don't use their speed in fights against the Hulk... Imagine how stupid Thanos and Hulk would look in a comic and how upset the fans would be, if they saw their favorite characters not being able to land a single hit. Yeah.

That's the thing though... you cited instances where he didn't use his shields... He didn't use them against black bolt... didn't use them against Thor.. Hyperion... BRB.. Ronan etc.. You say he used them against Odin and I disagree with that.. even if you wanna say he did in that one panel... he later walked through a concentrated blast from Odin.. along with tanking other stronger blasts after... Didn't use them against Tyrant... Hasn't used them in tanking blasts after blasts from Surfer... Didn't use them against Magus with IG.... Point is, he's tanked much more without his shielding than with

He's shown that he can deal with speed and has good reactions times... See the fallen one incident.. His thing was bullrushing people and he was a translight character... He tried that with Thanos and he promptly stopped him in his tracks. He's stopped Thor hammer mid flight.. HIs hand was down... Thor throws his hammer (we've seen how fast Thor can throw it...) He raises his hand in time to stop the hammer mid flight. Look at his fight with maker again.... he deflects energy blasts at point blank range which would take very very good reaction speed. He's teleported out of the way of SS blasts after they are fired... again we know how fast energy blasts should be in theory. Thanos has a long long history of good reaction speed... it's no surprise he can deal with speed and this is another area you're wrong in about Thanos.

Originally posted by riv6672
In Carver's defense...

FORMIDABLE

adjective
1.
causing fear, apprehension, or dread
2.
of discouraging or awesome strength, size, difficulty, etc.; intimidating

adjective
3.
arousing feelings of awe or admiration because of grandeur, strength, etc.
4.
of great strength; forceful; powerful

Most of that pretty accurately describes the Hulk.

The OP leaves things wide open to interpretation, and so, arguments by using this word whether by accident or design.

Yep, this is exactly what I was thinking thus thread was.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That's the thing though... you cited instances where he didn't use his shields...

He had his battle armor on during all those instances. And he has used his shields against lesser opponents like Silver Surfer and Champion.

I'm not saying that Thanos is only durable, because he has his armor and his force fields. I'm saying that they add a fair amount to his durability. He had his armor, while tanking Black Bolt's screams and they started ripping his armor apart.
What I'm saying is that if Thanos somehow loses his force fields and armor, a good chunk of his durability / ability to absorb damage is gone.

You were describing comic book fights and comic book fights are always different than board battles, because in board battles we take everything into consideration. Which leads us to the other part of your post:

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
He's shown that he can deal with speed and has good reactions times... See the fallen one incident.. His thing was bullrushing people and he was a translight character... He tried that with Thanos and he promptly stopped him in his tracks. He's stopped Thor hammer mid flight.. HIs hand was down... Thor throws his hammer (we've seen how fast Thor can throw it...) He raises his hand in time to stop the hammer mid flight. Look at his fight with maker again.... he deflects energy blasts at point blank range which would take very very good reaction speed. He's teleported out of the way of SS blasts after they are fired... again we know how fast energy blasts should be in theory. Thanos has a long long history of good reaction speed... it's no surprise he can deal with speed and this is another area you're wrong in about Thanos.

That's a bunch of biased text.

You're making the same mistake as every Hulk fan, who argues that Hulk can keep up with a character like Gladiator / Sentry / Silver Surfer / Superman / Wonder Woman / .

Hulk can't keep up with them and neither can Thanos. When Hulk tags someone as fast as Gladiator, then it's PIS / CIS and WIS all in one. Hulk should never be able to tag someone, who operates in nano-seconds. Hulk simply doesn't have that kind of a speed. And neither does Thanos.

We can compare movement speeds and reaction speeds between speedsters and Thanos, if you want. But to be honest with you, I really don't want to invest time into it, because wouldn't be able to win that debate.
Thanos tagging someone like Silver Surfer is straight up PIS, where Silver Surfer gets dumbed down to Thanos' speed levels for the sake of the fight and the overall plot and by doing so, the writer goes over corpses by totally ignoring all the speed showings Silver Surfer had in the past and which tell us that Thanos would never even come close to making a move against Silver Surfer.

(But I think that Silver Surfer is the worst example for all of that. There are better examples like Gladiator, Sentry, Superman and so on).

Thanos can't tag them, no matter what you as a Thanos fan want to be true.

Originally posted by Enzeru
He had his battle armor on during all those instances. And he has used his shields against lesser opponents like Silver Surfer and Champion.

I'm not saying that Thanos is only durable, because he has his armor and his force fields. I'm saying that they add a fair amount to his durability. He had his armor, while tanking Black Bolt's screams and they started ripping his armor apart.
What I'm saying is that if Thanos somehow loses his force fields and armor, a good chunk of his durability / ability to absorb damage is gone.

You were describing comic book fights and comic book fights are always different than board battles, because in board battles we take everything into consideration. Which leads us to the other part of your post:



That's a bunch of biased text.

You're making the same mistake as every Hulk fan, who argues that Hulk can keep up with a character like Gladiator / Sentry / Silver Surfer / Superman / Wonder Woman / .

Hulk can't keep up with them and neither can Thanos. When Hulk tags someone as fast as Gladiator, then it's PIS / CIS and WIS all in one. Hulk should never be able to tag someone, who operates in nano-seconds. Hulk simply doesn't have that kind of a speed. And neither does Thanos.

We can compare movement speeds and reaction speeds between speedsters and Thanos, if you want. But to be honest with you, I really don't want to invest time into it, because wouldn't be able to win that debate.
Thanos tagging someone like Silver Surfer is straight up PIS, where Silver Surfer gets dumbed down to Thanos' speed levels for the sake of the fight and the overall plot and by doing so, the writer goes over corpses by totally ignoring all the speed showings Silver Surfer had in the past and which tell us that Thanos would never even come close to making a move against Silver Surfer.

(But I think that Silver Surfer is the worst example for all of that. There are better examples like Gladiator, Sentry, Superman and so on).

Thanos can't tag them, no matter what you as a Thanos fan want to be true.

I literally see no connection with his battle armor and some significant increase in durability because of it. You haven't come close to proving your case in that regard. Put it this way.. show me narration that says his battle armor increase his durability in any kind of significant manner. You haven't shown that in the least. I cited actually feats from Thanos that back up my case that he HAS dealt with speed and numerous times.

You keep on brining up the PIS or CIS card like Thanos' is some kinda normal human. We're talking about a mutant being from a technologically and physiologically advanced race. A race that can teleport use TK and TP etc etc... yet you act like he's has human level speed or something. He doesn't and isn't like Hulk in this regard. It's totally and completely plausible that he also has good reflexes to go along with all the other abilities he has. You're also discounting that he's a genius and superb tactician. Thus, much like in real life sports, people with advanced minds can see things before they happen. Can develop strats on the fly to attain them victory. Why would Thanos be any different. If he can read what SS might do or go or be at.. and then anticipate such movement.. why is that so hard for you to believe? IT should be, yet it is.

You're going by why YOU think should happen... to be frank.. nobody really care what YOU THINK at Marvel. On this forum and in anything really we go by proof and facts. The facts produced by Marvel suggest he can deal with speed and has good reaction feats. THEY gave him those feats and feel he has that powerset. You thinking he shouldn't or not liking it has NO bearing on anything. He has the feats to back up the claims made... it's that simple. NO amount of nah or no way or I don't believe that is weighted more than facts. Sorry bud

Both Thanos and Hulk has shown reflexes that proves they could hit the characters Enzu mentioned. He is going to believe what he wants.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
keep trolling then hopefully you may get your wish and make friends sock
So if making a joke is troll behavior what is posting the original mean spirited comment, make you? An orc?

Originally posted by carver9
Yep, this is exactly what I was thinking thus thread was.
Same. You can make several different lists that wouldnt really be wrong.
These are mostly pretty good in their own ways. I've saved some for future reference.

Originally posted by carver9
Both Thanos and Hulk has shown reflexes that proves they could hit the characters Enzu mentioned. He is going to believe what he wants.

Carver, do you want to compare Hulk's speed feats with Sentry's speed feats? Yeah, that's what I thought.
Now shut up and go and post some more fights, where a Hulk lands a good shot, but hide away the rest of the fight, where he gets his face smashed in afterwards.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Carver, do you want to compare Hulk's speed feats with Sentry's speed feats? Yeah, that's what I thought.
Now shut up and go and post some more fights, where a Hulk lands a good shot, but hide away the rest of the fight, where he gets his face smashed in afterwards.

What are you talking about? I don't have to compare anything when I can easily post a scan of Hulk busting Sentry face open during mid blitz. You need to calm down and realize these characters aren't real and stop getting your feelings hurt when someone doesn't agree with you.

Originally posted by carver9
What are you talking about? I don't have to compare anything when I can easily post a scan of Hulk busting Sentry face open during mid blitz.

Of course he does. Because he is the Hulk and it's a Marvel comic. I just just as easily show you tons of scans, where Sentry performs speed feats, where Hulk wouldn't even come close to them: traveling, movement and reaction feats.

This is what you mean by saying that Hulk "busted Sentry's face mid blitz:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2179380-6.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2179381-7.jpg

(^ And there I would even argue that it was a mentally unstable Sentry, who is overall less powerful - even in the speed department.)

And here we have an actual portrayal of Sentry's speed, where he disappears from the spot and appears behind the Punisher (who doesn't even manage to finish a thought in the meantime) - and Punisher was few miles away at that point:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2179458-4.jpg

Hulk on the other hand needs more than half a minute to run a similar distance:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108566/4016401-01.jpg

"But Enzeru, this is about reaction speed and not traveling speed!" ... Oh Carver, you fool.
Hulk needs 40 seconds to run few miles, because his movement is slow. Even if we give him the benefit of a doubt that he has a great reaction speed, his body still lacks the power set to execute the needed movement to run fast.

Or would you argue that the Hulk is so fast, that he can replicate such a speed feat:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2180797-2.jpg

In a properly written fight a character like Sentry / Gladiator / Hulk would get punched over and over and over again in the face and he would be frozen in time for them.
Even if he has the reaction feats, there is not even one showing of movement speed for him that leads us to believe that he can move his body parts from point A to point B to tag someone as fast as them. He only tags them, because they're constantly being dumbed down to their speed levels and fans like you are the reason for that.

Sentry's speed is superior to Hulk's. You know that, but ...

Originally posted by carver9
You need to calm down and realize these characters aren't real and stop getting your feelings hurt when someone doesn't agree with you.

... on this board you're literally going over corpses in order to make arguments for the Hulk, even when there are no arguments. And the way you do it, makes you look sooo stupid and it's also the reason why a ton of people is constantly making fun of you, while I personally sometimes even defend you and say that some of the things you say hold some value to them. But these moments are super rare and if it's about the Hulk, no one should even try looking for common sense from you.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Of course he does. Because he is the Hulk and it's a Marvel comic. I just just as easily show you tons of scans, where Sentry performs speed feats, where Hulk wouldn't even come close to them: traveling, movement and reaction feats.

This is what you mean by saying that Hulk "busted Sentry's face mid blitz:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2179380-6.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2179381-7.jpg

(^ And there I would even argue that it was a mentally unstable Sentry, who is overall less powerful - even in the speed department.)

And here we have an actual portrayal of Sentry's speed, where he disappears from the spot and appears behind the Punisher (who doesn't even manage to finish a thought in the meantime) - and Punisher was few miles away at that point:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2179458-4.jpg

Hulk on the other hand needs more than half a minute to run a similar distance:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108566/4016401-01.jpg

"But Enzeru, this is about reaction speed and not traveling speed!" ... Oh Carver, you fool.
Hulk needs 40 seconds to run few miles, because his movement is slow. Even if we give him the benefit of a doubt that he has a great reaction speed, his body still lacks the power set to execute the needed movement to run fast.

Or would you argue that the Hulk is so fast, that he can replicate such a speed feat:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2180797-2.jpg

In a properly written fight a character like Sentry / Gladiator / Hulk would get punched over and over and over again in the face and he would be frozen in time for them.
Even if he has the reaction feats, there is not even one showing of movement speed for him that leads us to believe that he can move his body parts from point A to point B to tag someone as fast as them. He only tags them, because they're constantly being dumbed down to their speed levels and fans like you are the reason for that.

Sentry's speed is superior to Hulk's. You know that, but ...



... on this board you're literally going over corpses in order to make arguments for the Hulk, even when there are no arguments. And the way you do it, makes you look sooo stupid and it's also the reason why a ton of people is constantly making fun of you, while I personally sometimes even defend you and say that some of the things you say hold some value to them. But these moments are super rare and if it's about the Hulk, no one should even try looking for common sense from you.

And you have the right to talk about anyone's posts? Lol. I'm not here to insult you buddy, I just think you are looking at speed in a different fashion than most. You can post all the speed fts you want, that still doesn't contradict what I've said, Hulk punched a blitzing Sentry clean in the face with no problem and kept up with him the entire time (a non holding back Sentry). Just like you can post Superman speed fts, it still doesn't contradict the fact that Doomsday went blow for blow with him. I respect your opinion, if you think Sentry is this godly speed being that is untouchable, oh well. Just know there are people out there that disagree on him being untouchable...especially by the likes of Hulk. Please don't reply back with a bible because I'm not reading it. Like I've stated before, I don't have a problem with you thinking Sentry is u touchable.

Originally posted by riv6672
So if making a joke is troll behavior what is posting the original mean spirited comment, make you? An orc?


. someone tired of reading bullshit.

I don't get how Thanos' armor is even a point. He always has it and thus makes the distinction irrelevant. Even if his armor was his only durability, it'd be like trying to separate Iron Man from his armor.

Or he took that big omniblast from Tyrant point blank, half power screams directly in the face by Black Bolt without issue, or a gas giant blowing up directly in his face. Etc. Not to mention everytime he's been hit right in his face.
If that's not enough, his dead body tanked Galactus' galaxy destroying attack point blank in Annihilation, and in a weakened naked form he took a surprise shot from the Cosmic Cube which only knocked his mental defenses loose (though it did rock him)

Using Maker to prove a point is faulty considering she surprised Thanos and she was still thought to have unlimited power albeit on a lesser level.

Thanos' armor is basically like Thor's armor. It's not a big deal.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I literally see no connection with his battle armor and some significant increase in durability because of it. You haven't come close to proving your case in that regard. Put it this way.. show me narration that says his battle armor increase his durability in any kind of significant manner. You haven't shown that in the least. I cited actually feats from Thanos that back up my case that he HAS dealt with speed and numerous times.

You keep on brining up the PIS or CIS card like Thanos' is some kinda normal human. We're talking about a mutant being from a technologically and physiologically advanced race. A race that can teleport use TK and TP etc etc... yet you act like he's has human level speed or something. He doesn't and isn't like Hulk in this regard. It's totally and completely plausible that he also has good reflexes to go along with all the other abilities he has. You're also discounting that he's a genius and superb tactician. Thus, much like in real life sports, people with advanced minds can see things before they happen. Can develop strats on the fly to attain them victory. Why would Thanos be any different. If he can read what SS might do or go or be at.. and then anticipate such movement.. why is that so hard for you to believe? IT should be, yet it is.

You're going by why YOU think should happen... to be frank.. nobody really care what YOU THINK at Marvel. On this forum and in anything really we go by proof and facts. The facts produced by Marvel suggest he can deal with speed and has good reaction feats. THEY gave him those feats and feel he has that powerset. You thinking he shouldn't or not liking it has NO bearing on anything. He has the feats to back up the claims made... it's that simple. NO amount of nah or no way or I don't believe that is weighted more than facts. Sorry bud

Ohh and Enzeru... I'm not Hulk fan.. but we've seen hulk be able to jump from State to state.. I've even seen a scan of him jumping from Continent to continent... So he surely doesn't need any amount of time to go a few miles.

A question for Enzeru

If a character had consistent showing of reacting to faster opponents, when does it stop becoming pis/cis?

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
A question for Enzeru

If a character had consistent showing of reacting to faster opponents, when does it stop becoming pis/cis?



Good question.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
someone tired of reading bullshit.
This is the third time we've directly interacted since i've been here. If you dont like my posts in general you can always put me on ignore.

Originally posted by riv6672
This is the third time we've directly interacted. If you dont like my posts in general you can always put me on ignore.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Ohh and Enzeru... I'm not Hulk fan.. but we've seen hulk be able to jump from State to state.. I've even seen a scan of him jumping from Continent to continent... So he surely doesn't need any amount of time to go a few miles.
I've always wondered about that. Is that super speed or enormous hang time?

Originally posted by riv6672
I've always wondered about that. Is that super speed or enormous hang time?

I would probably say super speed. It's up to you though.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17319505/Avengers_v524.NOW-025.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17319506/Avengers_v524.NOW-026.jpg.html

Ah, okay.
I'd say super speed, just in an unconventional way.

90s Superboy had strength feats, but it was tactile TK. Same result, different means.
Not a perfect analogy i know, but i see the point being made.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Originally posted by carver9
8. DD - guessing you mean Doomsday and not Daredevil. 100
Thanks for the laugh, carv

Always thought it was hang time

Hulk has some degree of superhuman speed/reflexes. This is clear not only from his running and jumping feats but from his fights, with him able to tag people/objects with superhuman speed.

Of course he's not Flash or even Quicksilver, but he definitely has superhuman speed/reflexes (even his gamma maths reflect this in a way).

Uh, I remeber a scan of Professor Hulk(?) mixing up some... stuff at incredibly speed in a lab or something?

Originally posted by Insane Titan
didn't you know Silver Surfer was twice as formidable as Thanos, more formidable than Tyrant and as formidable as Odin! In a forum setting. Not in a comic.

Originally posted by riv6672
This is the third time we've directly interacted since i've been here. If you dont like my posts in general you can always put me on ignore.

I think that Doctor Green (Hulk) is coming up. He may be capable of more than anything that we have ever seen.

Originally posted by DarkRaiden
1. SS--40
2. Thor--40
2a. BRB--35
3. Hulk (Average mad)--15
4 . Hulk (Really pissed)--40
5. Superman--35
6. MM--40
7. WW--40
8. DD--hp? 40
9. Despero--65
10. Mangog (Average SA and later showings)-- 65
11. Larfleeze--70
12. Lord Mar vell--50
13. Kingdom Gog--?
14. Odin--130
15. DP Tyrant--105 Originally posted by Zack Fair
....

Da Fuq.
Wonder Woman being more formidable than Superman and as formidable as H/P Doomsday?

facepalm

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wonder Woman being more formidable than Superman and as formidable as H/P Doomsday?

facepalm


Obviously it's just more Superman hate from people who haven't read more than a handful of Superman comics.

Originally posted by h1a8
In a forum setting. Not in a comic. still based on what they have actually done in a comic and not your fantasy land mind.

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
A question for Enzeru

If a character had consistent showing of reacting to faster opponents, when does it stop becoming pis/cis? There is a fallacy inside your question. If a character doesn't operate faster than another in a particular scene then they aren't faster at that time. Why aren't they faster at that time?

Originally posted by Insane Titan
still based on what they have actually done in a comic and not your fantasy land mind. That's why Surfer is more formidable. It's based off what he has done in a comic which proves what he is capable of doing in a forum setting.

Originally posted by h1a8
That's why Surfer is more formidable. It's based off what he has done in a comic which proves what he is capable of doing in a forum setting. name me all these things then that make him more formidable than Thanos, Tyrant and as formidable as Odin.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
name me all these things then that make him more formidable than Thanos, Tyrant and as formidable as Odin. Traveling millions of times faster than light, creating black holes, blowing up planets with single blasts, becoming intangible, having ftl reflexes, see into the future, travel through time, cast illusions, etc.

Nice...!
Didnt know about a couple of those.

Originally posted by h1a8
Traveling millions of times faster than light, creating black holes, blowing up planets with single blasts, becoming intangible, having ftl reflexes, see into the future, travel through time, cast illusions, etc. not all of them do shit in a battle plus the people you're comparing the too can do the same or things equally effective.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
not all of them do shit in a battle.
A black hole that warps time and space but does nothing to an opponent.
A blast that can blow up a planet but not harm an opponent.
Intangibility that works on everyone but your opponent.
Seeing the future but not being able to out maneuver your opponent.
Talk about no selling someone else's powers.

Originally posted by riv6672
A black hole that warps time and space but does nothing to an opponent.
A blast that can blow up a planet but not harm an opponent.
Intangibility that works on everyone but your opponent.
Seeing the future but not being able to out maneuver your opponent.
Talk about no selling someone else's powers. seeing this is been compared to what Thanos or Odin can do , the yeah it's laughable.

Go cry some more

Just stating my opinion. Seems like you're no selling a lot of versatile powers for the sake of making your guy look better.
Very shoddy debate style.

Its nice to see you switching things up with me from "you're a troll for disagreeing with me, aaarghh" to "going to act as if i hurt your feelings for disagreeing with me haha".

Originally posted by riv6672
Just stating my opinion. Seems like you're no selling a lot of versatile powers for the sake of making your guy look better.
Very shoddy debate style.

Its nice to see you switching things up with me from "you're a troll for disagreeing with me, aaarghh" to "going to act as if i hurt your feelings for disagreeing with me haha". regardless of how you put it he's talking crap by saying Surfer is TWICE as formidable as Thanos. Learn what you're talking about before jumping in. I don't have to make Thanos look better than Surfer it's a on panel fact.

Nah you just seem to follow me about now stalker.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
not all of them do shit in a battle

Creating Black Holes and using FTL reflexes in a battle "do shit in a battle" ?

When people say "ah they dont will use this in battle" is same thing as conceding " if he use this in battle, my guy will lose". Instead of that, people should say " even using all of it, my guy could tank it or do better" then name what he can do better and in bigger scale...

How could you forget to add Squirrel Girl to the list?

Squirrel Girl = 1,000,000

Originally posted by Insane Titan
regardless of how you put it he's talking crap by saying Surfer is TWICE as formidable as Thanos. Learn what you're talking about before jumping in. I don't have to make Thanos look better than Surfer it's a on panel fact.

Nah you just seem to follow me about now stalker.

And thats the third play in the fanboy handbook for dealing with people. Troll. Cry. Stalk.
Put on Ignore while still replying to my posts, coming up...

I posted a definition of what formidable means. His opinion's as valid as yours.
Learn what the word means or petition Webster's to change the meaning.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Creating Black Holes and using FTL reflexes in a battle "do shit in a battle" ?

When people say "ah they dont will use this in battle" is same thing as conceding " if he use this in battle, my guy will lose". Instead of that, people should say " even using all of it, my guy could tank it or do better" then name what he can do better and in bigger scale... comparing it to how formidable Thanos is yes. So you agree with h1 that Surfer is twice as formidable as Thanos and equal to Odin.

Originally posted by riv6672
And thats the third play in the fanboy handbook for dealing with people. Troll. Cry. Stalk.
Put on Ignore while still replying to my posts, coming up...

I posted a definition of what formidable means. His opinion's as valid as yours.
Learn what the word means or petition Webster's to change the meaning. try and twist it all you want, you've followed me in various topics offering nothing except trying to be smart and failing.


How is it valid when he say Surfers twice as formidable, when Thanos offers as much power set wise and greatly surpasses Surfer in things that count.

Go ahead and prove it.

I didnt know these threads were invitation only....

I already proved it by defining formidability. Obviously he finds Surfer to be more so than Thanos.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Creating Black Holes and using FTL reflexes in a battle "do shit in a battle" ?

When people say "ah they dont will use this in battle" is same thing as conceding " if he use this in battle, my guy will lose". Instead of that, people should say " even using all of it, my guy could tank it or do better" then name what he can do better and in bigger scale...
I like this. Well put.

Originally posted by riv6672
I didnt know these threads were invitation only....

I already proved it by defining formidability. Obviously he finds Surfer to be more so than Thanos. so you're plan is too act dumb now like you don't know what I'm talking about.

Based on nothing, which you also other as proof.

Its funny you accusing me of being dumb while misspelling TO and OFFER.

Originally posted by riv6672
Its funny you accusing me of being dumb while misspelling TO and OFFER. wow a typo big deal. Yeah you're dumb acting like you don't know what I'm talking about because you know I'm right.

And as I thought no actual proof in response to this topic again.

I guess that settles it then.
People here disagree with you. Wild.

No proof again , easier than I thought.

surfer is in no way more formidable. Hell no

Originally posted by bbrem123
surfer is in no way more formidable. Hell no true.

Anyone can list a power set or powers they barely use.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
No proof again , easier than I thought.
Again, i gave my proof, and your last few posts saying otherwise prove that:
You will never admit that Thanos can be beaten in any way by anyone at anything.
Its little things like that which makes you the adorkable guy we know and love, and love to see flip out.
Oh, and the typos i pointed out? They just prove that you're so amped over this you fat fingered the hell out of your keyboard.

Time for breakfast. C you l8r.

What do you mean by formidability?

Do you mean in combat, or do you mean something akin to 'calling upon every resource currently at their disposal' ?

Originally posted by riv6672
Again, i gave my proof, and your last few posts saying otherwise prove that:
You will never admit that Thanos can be beaten in any way by anyone at anything.
Its little things like that which makes you the adorkable guy we know and love, and love to see flip out.
Oh, and the typos i pointed out? They just prove that you're so amped over this you fat fingered the hell out of your keyboard.

Time for breakfast. C you l8r. you didn't prove anything , giving power sets means nothing , I can name Thanos power set and give powers he's rarely used that Surfer hadn't shown.

Again showing your stupidity, I give the vast majority of skyfather lvl guys and above the win over Thanos.

Haha at me supposedly flipping out, if you can't handle facts and truth stay out of the topic or at least know what you're preaching.

If you're going to use this sock account be less obvious

Originally posted by krisblaze
What do you mean by formidability?

Do you mean in combat, or do you mean something akin to 'calling upon every resource currently at their disposal' ?

You asking me or IT?

If me, then i mean:
FORMIDABLE

adjective
1.
causing fear, apprehension, or dread
2.
of discouraging or awesome strength, size, difficulty, etc.; intimidating

adjective
3.
arousing feelings of awe or admiration because of grandeur, strength, etc.
4.
of great strength; forceful; powerful

Oh, and yay for toaster strudels!

So thanos is far above nearly everybody on that list...

Originally posted by bbrem123
So thanos is far above nearly everybody on that list...

Thanos is a beast, no denying that.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
you didn't prove anything , giving power sets means nothing .....If you're going to use this sock account be less obvious

You're confusing me with someone else. Twice.

I never listed power sets.
I defined formidable, and have been saying that as per the actual meaning of the word, no one's really wrong, including you.
You've been saying anyone who doesnt agree with you IS wrong.

And, i've gone from troll to crying to stalking to sock. You throw these accusations out to do what? Play the victim? Hope to get people on your side? Foolish behavior.

Originally posted by riv6672
Thanos is a beast, no denying that.



You're confusing me with someone else. Twice.

I never listed power sets.
I defined formidable, and have been saying that as per the actual meaning of the word, no one's really wrong, including you.
You've been saying anyone who doesnt agree with you IS wrong.

And, i've gone from troll to crying to stalking to sock. You throw these accusations out to do what? Play the victim? Hope to get people on your side? Foolish behavior.

No he is wrong even basing it off what you posted backed up by in panel facts.

You did troll me in several topics and yeah you clearly are a sock.

Why would I need help against the likes of you lol, you're the one going out of your way trying to get others to like you. Pathetic really.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wonder Woman being more formidable than Superman and as formidable as H/P Doomsday?

facepalm

Yes. WW has swords that cut at the Atomic level, actually is willing to kill, is fast, a good fighter, and has her lasso. All things that make her as formidable as Supes. Also H/P Doomsday can still be beat to death, though I was doing normal Doomsday since H/P is like...he's never at that form.

1. SS- Norrin limits himself due to his mindset. Without the limitations I grant him-85
2. Thor- The Odinson with the second greatest weapon in comics receives-65
2a. BRB- Horse-Face has shown less damage soak than his brother as well as strength. 55
3. Hulk (Average mad)- Banner lacks versatility. 45 Carver approves this message!
4 . Hulk (Really pissed)- This means The WORLDBREAKER. 110
5. Superman- UNLIMITED
6. MM- Like Surfer, his mentality is the key factor. J'onn's incredible versatility gives him 75
7. WW- Diana at uncuffed status. 60
8. DD- Ultimate results in the beast known as Hunter Prey Doomsday. 115
9. Despero- NO ONE beats Despero, especially V&V. 80
10. Mangog (Average SA and later showings) Odin fought like a coward and barely escaped. I respect you, Mangog. 120
11. Larfleeze- This feels right. 95
12. Lord Mar vell- Mar-Vell is slightly below the Mad Titan. 97
13. Kingdom Gog- 140
14. Odin- I grantest thou.. 130
15. DP Tyrant- This is easy. 180

You're welcome!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
1. SS- Norrin limits himself due to his mindset. Without the limitations I grant him-85
2. Thor- The Odinson with the second greatest weapon in comics receives-65
2a. BRB- Horse-Face has shown less damage soak than his brother as well as strength. 55
3. Hulk (Average mad)- Banner lacks versatility. 45 Carver approves this message!
4 . Hulk (Really pissed)- This means The WORLDBREAKER. 110
5. Superman- UNLIMITED
6. MM- Like Surfer, his mentality is the key factor. J'onn's incredible versatility gives him 75
7. WW- Diana at uncuffed status. 60
8. DD- Ultimate results in the beast known as Hunter Prey Doomsday. 115
9. Despero- NO ONE beats Despero, especially V&V. 80
10. Mangog (Average SA and later showings) Odin fought like a coward and barely escaped. I respect you, Mangog. 120
11. Larfleeze- This feels right. 95
12. Lord Mar vell- Mar-Vell is slightly below the Mad Titan. 97
13. Kingdom Gog- 140
14. Odin- I grantest thou.. 130
15. DP Tyrant- This is easy. 180

You're welcome!

Fanboyism @ #5!!

Lord of Brooklyn's response is typically way out there... this one was no different

Originally posted by carver9
BRB - 65 (Thanos crushed him) What's funny is that Bill actually put up a much better fight, and took much more effort for Thanos to put down, than most other Heralds the Mad Titan has fought over the years(Surfer included.)

Just saying.

Originally posted by Galan007
What's funny is that Bill actually put up a much better fight, and took much more effort for Thanos to put down, than most other Heralds the Mad Titan has fought over the years(Surfer included.)

Just saying. No shit.

What did it take, the same amount of hits from a weaker holding back Thanos to leave Surfer with a scrap of life left?
All I got is that Thanos was playing with Beta a little but even still. No more than he does normally unless he's fighting a big dog.

Even with him getting raped it was still a good showing for him. Never mind Thanos is a pussy. I spoke too soon.

If we want to go that route, then technically Surfer beat down Bill faster and easier than Thanos did.

Originally posted by One-Punch
If we want to go that route, then technically Surfer beat down Bill faster and easier than Thanos did.

Mostly talking of durability. Though Bill knocked Thanos out of his chair while Surfer accomplished nothing with his shot.

But Surfer Thanos comparisons are terrible for Surfer. I'm sure you know that.

Tbf Thanos seemed rather casual in his beat downs of both lol .

Seemed like he was savoring his beat down of Bill, much like how you'd take your time with an tasty meal.

Originally posted by riv6672
Its funny you accusing me of being dumb while misspelling TO and OFFER. He is known for rage typos but it could be another possibility that his sentence structure is grade school level.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He is known for rage typos but it could be another possibility that his sentence structure is grade school level.

People are waiting for you in the movie section. Creating more bait threads.

Originally posted by carver9
People are waiting for you in the movie section. Creating more bait threads. I own them. They are really obsessed with me. I'll make my rounds very soon.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Fanboyism @ #5!!

LIES!

My assesment at number 5 was STRICTLY based on canon!

I am objective to a fault!

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Lord of Brooklyn's response is typically way out there... this one was no different

I am the King of Canon and as such my rankings are beyond reproach!

Prove yourself! Show where my numbers are wrong!

Originally posted by quanchi112
He is known for rage typos but it could be another possibility that his sentence structure is grade school level.
Ha, yeah i think i'm done here.
I find it telling though, that the only post of mine IT chose to disregard was the one where, after he said he was tired of reading my bullsh!t, i said he could put me on ignore....

Originally posted by riv6672
Ha, yeah i think i'm done here.
I find it telling though, that the only post of mine IT chose to disregard was the one where, after he said he was tired of reading my bullsh!t, i said he could put me on ignore.... He doesn't really ever debate and can't counter anything. He just restates a few feats he memorized. No one takes him seriously and just laugh at his meltdowns.

Haha at the two supposed separate posters moaning about me.

If Riv can't back up what's asked then stay out of the topic and the only reason you said about putting you on ignore was because you simply can't back up what I asked of you several times. As for Quan your butthurt is laughsble, stick to PM's where you bring up personal stuff and ask for fights. Are you still mad at been a 4th grade Thanos mark?

1. SS = 50
2. Thor = 45
2a. BRB = 35
3. Hulk (Average mad) = 55
4 . Hulk (Really pissed) = 200+
5. Superman = 45
6. MM = 12
7. WW = 35
8. DD = 50
9. Despero = 45
10. Mangog (Average SA and later showings) = 70
11. Larfleeze = 55
12. Lord Mar vell = 60
13. Kingdom Gog = -
14. Odin = 200
15. DP Tyrant = 200+

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi


Since OP hasn't responded to my initial post, I'll just assume that it's purely combat-based.

1. SS - 30
2. Thor - 31
2a. BRB - 28
3. Hulk (average) - 1
4 . Hulk (mad) - 10
5. Superman - 30
6. MM - 30
7. WW - 25
8. DD - 45
9. Despero - 100
10. Mangog - 95
11. Larfleeze - 500
12. Lord Mar vell - From cancerverse? No clue.
13. Kingdom Gog - Tough call
14. Odin - 500
15. DP Tyrant - 120

Originally posted by janus77
1. SS = 50
2. Thor = 45
2a. BRB = 35
3. Hulk (Average mad) = 55
4 . Hulk (Really pissed) = 200+
5. Superman = 45
6. MM = 12
7. WW = 35
8. DD = 50
9. Despero = 45
10. Mangog (Average SA and later showings) = 70
11. Larfleeze = 55
12. Lord Mar vell = 60
13. Kingdom Gog = -
14. Odin = 200
15. DP Tyrant = 200+

LIES!

Originally posted by janus77
1. SS = 50
2. Thor = 45
2a. BRB = 35
3. Hulk (Average mad) = 55
4 . Hulk (Really pissed) = 200+
5. Superman = 45
6. MM = 12
7. WW = 35
8. DD = 50
9. Despero = 45
10. Mangog (Average SA and later showings) = 70
11. Larfleeze = 55
12. Lord Mar vell = 60
13. Kingdom Gog = -
14. Odin = 200
15. DP Tyrant = 200+

Hulk isn't more formidable than Odin

Of course he isn't.. That stands to reason...

Originally posted by One-Punch
Hulk isn't more formidable than Odin Worldbreaker is much more fearsome than Odin IMO. And his durability and powerout are a lot better than average Odin's anyway.

Originally posted by h1a8
Worldbreaker is much more fearsome than Odin IMO. And his durability and powerout are a lot better than average Odin's anyway.

Hehe, no.

Originally posted by h1a8
Worldbreaker is much more fearsome than Odin IMO. And his durability and powerout are a lot better than average Odin's anyway.
facepalm

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Of course he isn't.. That stands to reason...
Not to everyone it seems.

Originally posted by DarkRaiden
Yes. WW has swords that cut at the Atomic level, actually is willing to kill, is fast, a good fighter, and has her lasso. All things that make her as formidable as Supes. Also H/P Doomsday can still be beat to death, though I was doing normal Doomsday since H/P is like...he's never at that form.
That's why she was left in the mud by Doomsday, both hands broken while Superman ripped a stronger doomsday in half? There is no chance that she is even as formidable as holding back Superman. Their hierarchy is just too different.

And the OP specifically said H/P Doomsday.

1. SS 50-60
2. Thor 50-60
2a. BRB 40-50
3. Hulk (Average mad) 5 - just a puncher
4 . Hulk (Really pissed) 10 - still a puncher
5. Superman 15 - Like Hulk but faster
6. MM 50-60 - Versatile, like a high herald should be
7. WW 35
8. DD 60
9. Despero
10. Mangog (Average SA and later showings) 300 maybe
11. Larfleeze don't know
12. Lord Mar vell don't know
13. Kingdom Gog don't know
14. Odin 1000 - Thanos couldn't harm him if his life depended on it
15. DP Tyrant - Same

Originally posted by Sabro
1. SS 50-60
2. Thor 50-60
2a. BRB 40-50
3. Hulk (Average mad) 5 - just a puncher
4 . Hulk (Really pissed) 10 - still a puncher
5. Superman 15 - Like Hulk but faster
6. MM 50-60 - Versatile, like a high herald should be
7. WW 35
8. DD 60
9. Despero
10. Mangog (Average SA and later showings) 300 maybe
11. Larfleeze don't know
12. Lord Mar vell don't know
13. Kingdom Gog don't know
14. Odin 1000 - Thanos couldn't harm him if his life depended on it
15. DP Tyrant - Same
facepalm

Originally posted by Sabro
1. SS 50-60
2. Thor 50-60
2a. BRB 40-50
3. Hulk (Average mad) 5 - just a puncher
4 . Hulk (Really pissed) 10 - still a puncher
5. Superman 15 - Like Hulk but faster
6. MM 50-60 - Versatile, like a high herald should be
7. WW 35
8. DD 60
9. Despero
10. Mangog (Average SA and later showings) 300 maybe
11. Larfleeze don't know
12. Lord Mar vell don't know
13. Kingdom Gog don't know
14. Odin 1000 - Thanos couldn't harm him if his life depended on it
15. DP Tyrant - Same

No way, Superman has only 1/4 the formidability of Thor? This is complety bias, I am sorry to say that...

Aside from Sabro's Superman-trolling, he has a point.

Someone who's more or less limited to punches will be far less formidable than say the Surfer.

Doomsday and Mangog, while really powerful, would have to say fight their way through a planet at a time or something if it came to causing wanton destruction.

Surfer or Superman on the other hand could breeze by planets with heat vision/cosmic blasts on and tear them apart. (Which is why I wanted to know what kind of formidability we were talking about)

Originally posted by danielgamer
No way, Superman has only 1/4 the formidability of Thor? This is complety bias, I am sorry to say that...


Obviously, he hasn't read JLA/Avengers or looked at abhilegend's signature scans of the fight.... and yes, giving Superman a score of only 15 is blatant Superman hate and trolling.

^abhilegend's sig is irrelevant since crossovers are not canon per forum rules.

1. SS - 75
2. Thor - 75
2a. BRB - 75
3. Hulk - 50
4 . Hulk 70
5. Superman - 75
6. MM - 80
7. WW - 75
8. DD - 90
9. Despero - 70
10. Mangog - 100
11. Larfleeze - 85
12. Lord Mar vell - 100
13. Kingdom Gog - off the charts
14. Odin - 100
15. DP Tyrant - not sure

Originally posted by Epicurus
^abhilegend's sig is irrelevant since crossovers are not canon per forum rules.


I thought only crossovers that are not and never were canon didn't count. JLA/Avengers was canon for a while. Regardless, giving Superman such a low score in comparison to Thor and many others on that list is laughable.

Originally posted by TedKordJRBOSS
1. SS - 75
2. Thor - 75
2a. BRB - 75
3. Hulk - 50
4 . Hulk 70
5. Superman - 75
6. MM - 80
7. WW - 75
8. DD - 90
9. Despero - 70
10. Mangog - 100
11. Larfleeze - 85
12. Lord Mar vell - 100
13. Kingdom Gog - off the charts
14. Odin - 100
15. DP Tyrant - not sure

WRONG!

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
what are

1. SS-80
2. Thor-85
2a. BRB-80
3. Hulk (Average mad)-60
4 . Hulk (Really pissed)-80. No matter how pissed he is he still can't fly and has no ranged attacks other than throwing things
5. Superman-90
6. MM-90
7. WW-75
8. DD-Depends on which version. Most powerful version so far I'd put at 90
9. Despero-70
10. Mangog (Average SA and later showings)
11. Larfleeze
12. Lord Mar vell
13. Kingdom Gog
14. Odin-125
15. DP Tyrant


The ones I didn't rate I was unsure about. Formidable, to me, means how hard it is to beat said character and/or how easy they are to deal with. Hulk has never really impressed me. He can easily be BFR'ed by any number of characters in both Marvel and DC. Can't fly and no ranged attacks other than throwing things, clapping his hands together hard, and smashing the ground with fists to knock ground out from under opponents. At least DD has razor sharp spikes that he can shoot at characters like he did to Superman in H/P.