Originally posted by Iskandar
This is an assumption not supported by in-story context. We know H'el had damage being transferred to him from one time-line to another.
That's what we know for sure.
Which doesn't work because Superboy has changed drastically since then, and gotten a whole bunch of new feats and upgrades.
Not to mention that this is not just Superboy but Kon-El/Jon Kent fused together.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=600966&pagenumber=2
http://i.imgur.com/Q5kvTgj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/PMCUX3r.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DE7IFfK.jpg
We see the merged Kon-El/Jon Kent easily put the smack down on the other Superboy's disintegrating two of them.
http://i.imgur.com/SDzbej7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5jCSMti.jpg
Then we see Kon-El/Jon Kent create a pocket universe and he changes Peter, Michael, and Rose into alternate time-line versions of themselves.
http://i.imgur.com/5jCSMti.jpg
Then Kon-El/Jon Kent does the same with Niti turning her into a freaking Green Lantern.
http://i.imgur.com/P7zFnZZ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/csbn5Ip.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qA9rS9i.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/q989I4F.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LrBefBf.jpg
Then present Jon Kent makes his appearance and is able to separate Kon-El and future Jon Kent.
Which I already posted the context of here.
Which is never outright stated.
Superman #25
http://i.imgur.com/p0L5R0w.jpg
Yes, I am familiar and it happened right after Superboy attacked him in Supergirl #25.
It's because H'el was defeated by Superboy in the time-line he was in, and at the same time defeated by Supergirl in the time-line she was in.
Which is again ignoring that this isn't Kon-El but rather Kon-El/Jon Kent, and that Kon-El has been upgraded since his initial defeat ay the hands of H'el in Superboy #14.
Which only happened after Jor-El drastically weakened H'el by nearly killing him with a device designed specifically to do so. Not because H'el was weakened as a result of being splint into different time-lines.
Superman #25
http://i.imgur.com/xpnR2fg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tZwL824.jpg
Superman being the boyscout that he is tries to save H'el from Jor-El's device but H'el is still horribly mutilated by it.
No we don't. We know H'el split himself and we don't know if that actually weakened him.
Which is the only thing you're actually right about.
Again you're ignoring that Kon-El was much more powerful in Krypton Returns than he was when that happened in H'el on Earth.
We don't see H'el with any of the damage from Superboy and Supergirl's time-lines. This was a different H'el unaffected by either of those two periods of time. The mutilation H'el suffered was caused solely by Jor-El's machine, that tore H'el apart on a molecular level.
It was only Superboy and Supergirl's time-lines that converged.
Above Supergirl and Superman. The only time we see H'el have the advantage against Superboy was when Kon-El had yet to truly master his psionics and before Kon-El himself reached the height of his power.
so you ignore every glimpse of common sense and logic and say it is just an assumption on my part, while you whole argument is based on your assumption while obviously trying to promote Superboy to a higher tier than he is in right now? Nice.
So if he is damaged in another timeline, and it shows in the other one, we know for sure he fights more fights at once, which costs you more power than normal, because you are in two places, this is in-story and the context is clear, he split himself in differen't timelines. If that isn't powerconsuming....
Superman beat him, Jor-El weakned him but still H'el saw himself more than capable enough to beat Kal and Jor. Also, Kal himself stated that his powers won't last forever even with the armor, so we know he had to draw his strength from the reserves he has and was still capable to defeat H'el with ease, bordering on spite.
Oh, and you said, he defeated Superboy before Kon got an upgrade, he defeated Supergirl too and she got no upgrade at all, yet both defeated H'el in the timelines. So Supergirl defeating H'el without a real upgrade like Kon, even though she wasn't able to defeat him earlier on, means that H'el was weaker than in his very first incarnation, most likely because of his "being everywhere at once" split.
I am long enough here to see what you are up too, your agenda. You think superboy deserves to be ranked higher? More power to you. I know this will end in a circular argument too, so agree to disagree.
In one point you are right, Superboy has grown a bit more powerful in his "special event and special place" which might bring him to HH levels, still below the likes of Superman and MM, by feats and implied power.
As for this thread, in a normal timeline and a normal dimension, both at their best, H'el stomps.
