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List your top 5 characters, (High Herald and below only) who, staying in character, if they decided to take someone down, and fought at full potential, using all their resources, would be almost impossible to beat.
We can critique and compare.

In no particular order:

1. Flash
2. Dr. Doom
3. Superman
4. Thor
5. Hank Pym

Originally posted by riv6672

List your top 5 characters, (High Herald and below only) who, staying in character, if they decided to take someone down, and fought at full potential, using all their resources, would be almost impossible to beat.
We can critique and compare.

In no particular order:

1. Flash
2. Dr. Doom
3. Superman
4. Thor
5. Hank Pym






1. Flash

D.S. tells me he can "steal speed"? Even from people and objects that are NOT part of the speed force? Meaning he can not only move faster than most people can react, he can effectively stop them from moving at all.
I don't see a practical way for most people to beat that.
Good top choice.

2. Dr. Doom

Force fields that can withstand the force of an angry Hulk, mind and spirit transfer ability, knowledge and skill with mystical arts, intellect that approaches that of Reed Richards, and a will that enabled him to fight even when he was literally being dissected by the pre-retcon Beyonder, whose power he then went on to acquire for himself.

For a guy with no actual innate superhuman characteristics, Doom is pretty d--- impressive.

3. Superman Thor

Superman does not have enough versatility to outrank Thor.
He is also more vulnerable to magic.

I absolutely cannot see Superman doing to Classic Juggernaut what Thor manages here, forcefield and all:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14024996
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14024998
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025000
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025001
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025003

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025005
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025006
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025009
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025011
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025019

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025023
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025025
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025030

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025032
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025039
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Source: Thor #429, Volume 1
Writer: Tom DeFalco
Penciller: Ron Frenz
Date: February 1991
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http://marvel.wikia.com/Thor_Vol_1_429


4. Superman Martian Manhunter

While not as invulnerable as Superman, J'onnz has no reason to take damage in the first place. Not with the ability to read minds, move at superspeed, turn invisible, turn intangible AND shift to other forms.
J'onnz jobbing would be outranked by Superman.
But J'onnz jobbing would be outranked by almost anyone else, too.


5. Superman

Since I'm just going by your list, I'll resist the urge to put down Silver Surfer for #5. Or Sentry, who goes through so many changes and upgrades that he might not qualify as a mere "max high herald" anyway.

I want very badly to put one of them down here.
But, for now, I'm going to resist ...

Old habits die hard.

The LINK version of Thor versus Classic Juggernaut, the type of tough, magic-enabled being I cannot see Superman faring well against, and the reason I honestly don't think Supes can be given the nod over Thor.


http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14024996
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14024998
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025000
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025001
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025003

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025005
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025006
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025009
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025011
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025019

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025023
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025025
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025030

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025032
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025039
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Source: Thor #429, Volume 1
Writer: Tom DeFalco
Penciller: Ron Frenz
Date: February 1991
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http://marvel.wikia.com/Thor_Vol_1_429

Thanks for the posts!

1. Dr. Strange Classic

-Broke free for a spell from the living tribunal and impressed him enough to overturn his decision to destroy earth
-Defeated the in-betweener in Eternity's realm
-Defeated Galactus once and humbled him another time prompting Big G to came to him for help. And stated that strange was "The One mortal whom he had respect for."
-Momentarily single-handedly held off Adam warlock with the entire Infinity gauntlet.
-Destroyed Shuma Gorath
-Defeated Dormammu in his own realm
-Broke the enchantment keeping mjonjir with Thor (which would imply he had the power to Overcome Odin)
-Took the Odin Force from Thor with outside prep
-Defeated Moondragon with mind gem in mental battle
-Destroyed Moons and Planets
-Unleashed the power of a supernova
-Closed a black hole
-Dr Doom came to him for help against Mephisto
-Stopped time on numerous occasions, and has time traveled
-Raised the dead
-Erased the memories of everyone on an entire planet
- Plus more including amping to galaxy busting levels and so powerful that he threatens multiverse

http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/19971677_strange-amptogalaxydestroyinglevels.jpg

http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/19963684_strange-multiversaleternity.jpg

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
1. Flash

D.S. tells me he can "steal speed"? Even from people and objects that are NOT part of the speed force? Meaning he can not only move faster than most people can react, he can effectively stop them from moving at all.
I don't see a practical way for most people to beat that.
Good top choice.

2. Dr. Doom

Force fields that can withstand the force of an angry Hulk, mind and spirit transfer ability, knowledge and skill with mystical arts, intellect that approaches that of Reed Richards, and a will that enabled him to fight even when he was literally being dissected by the pre-retcon Beyonder, whose power he then went on to acquire for himself.

For a guy with no actual innate superhuman characteristics, Doom is pretty d--- impressive.

3. Superman Thor

Superman does not have enough versatility to outrank Thor.
He is also more vulnerable to magic.

I absolutely cannot see Superman doing to Classic Juggernaut what Thor manages here, forcefield and all:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14024996
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14024998
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025000
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025001
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025003

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025005
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025006
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025009
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025011
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025019

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025023
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025025
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025030

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025032
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025039
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Source: Thor #429, Volume 1
Writer: Tom DeFalco
Penciller: Ron Frenz
Date: February 1991
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http://marvel.wikia.com/Thor_Vol_1_429


4. Superman Martian Manhunter

While not as invulnerable as Superman, J'onnz has no reason to take damage in the first place. Not with the ability to read minds, move at superspeed, turn invisible, turn intangible AND shift to other forms.
J'onnz jobbing would be outranked by Superman.
But J'onnz jobbing would be outranked by almost anyone else, too.


5. Superman

Since I'm just going by your list, I'll resist the urge to put down Silver Surfer for #5. Or Sentry, who goes through so many changes and upgrades that he might not qualify as a mere "max high herald" anyway.

I want very badly to put one of them down here.
But, for now, I'm going to resist ...

It's absolutely obvious you hate Superman.

Silver Surfer

Super Adaptoid

Originally posted by Delta1938
It's absolutely obvious you hate Superman. So any time someone says that superman is NOT unbeatable and the comics back that up VERY well, its looked upon as hate from a superman fan? Maybe its the notion that superman fans love for the character HATE to read anything other than... Superman wins or Superman is the best. Anything short of that is Hate huh?

Originally posted by JBL
So any time someone says that superman is NOT unbeatable and the comics back that up VERY well, its looked upon as hate from a superman fan? Maybe its the notion that superman fans love for the character HATE to read anything other than... Superman wins or Superman is the best. Anything short of that is Hate huh?

I know you don't know the history of Blue, or much of anything, but it's not because of one post he made in a vacuum. But here's two pineapples.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6531qEB191qh1zr4.png

They're the lollipops after painful shots for you.

Pre Armageddon Spawn.
Jim Downing Spawn.
Zarathos Ghost Rider.
Nobel Kale Ghost Rider.
Composite Godzilla.

Originally posted by JBL
So any time someone says that superman is NOT unbeatable and the comics back that up VERY well, its looked upon as hate from a superman fan? Maybe its the notion that superman fans love for the character HATE to read anything other than... Superman wins or Superman is the best. Anything short of that is Hate huh?
Thats basically Delta's agenda, yes.

LOBO.
Close the thread.

It'll die quickly enough on its own...

There is no such thing as an unbeatable character. It has never existed because the writers always leave a weakness to exploit, and all characters have them. Doom had his day when he met Sentry, the Hulk had his when he met the Surfer, Surfer met Thanos, Thanos met Galactus, Galactus met Krona....

^What weaknesses were exploited?

Those are purely incidents of characters meeting other characters who are more powerful than him.

Originally posted by Stoic
There is no such thing as an unbeatable character. It has never existed because the writers always leave a weakness to exploit, and all characters have them. Doom had his day when he met Sentry, the Hulk had his when he met the Surfer, Surfer met Thanos, Thanos met Galactus, Galactus met Krona....
Thats cool, if you dont think there are, you gave your reasoning. 'Preciate it!

Spidey
Pym
Manhunter
Flash
Surfer

Interesting first choice.

Superman
Sentry
Majestic Classic
Flash
Dr. Strange

Originally posted by maxivitopowe


1. Spider-Man

2. Pym
3. Manhunter
4. Flash
5. Surfer



Originally posted by riv6672

Interesting first choice ...




mmm


To be fair, Spider-Man has beaten Quicksilver, Speed Demon, Hulk, Classic Juggernaut and Firelord ... sometimes even when these people had HELP fighting against him ...

Not disagreeing, just wasnt someone i myself considered, really.

Spider-Man also struggles against characters like Wolverine and Lizard and has even lost to Kraven. Not that I'm dissing Spidey because he is one of my favorite characters but I think he's a poor choice for "unbeatable" when there's so many more reliable characters to choose from. I'd take Wonder Woman, for example, over Spider-Man anyday.

Then again, I kinda laughed at a lot of the other choices made by some posters in this thread but I will remain silent about it. If I challenge any of the specific ridiculous choices that some made then this thread will turn into 400 pages of people recycling the same stuff from other current threads.

People forget to that Spidey is incredibly smart and if he used all his resources he could be

Originally posted by Star428
Then again, I kinda laughed at a lot of the other choices made by some posters in this thread but I will remain silent about it. If I challenge any of the specific ridiculous choices that some made then this thread will turn into 400 pages of people recycling the same stuff from other current threads.

BAH!

Be bold!

Show no fear!

Originally posted by riv6672
Thats basically Delta's agenda, yes.

And you wonder why people have accused you of trolling when you say you're not.

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
Spidey
Pym
Manhunter
Flash
Surfer

Originally posted by riv6672
Interesting first choice.

Could be because Spider-Man is one of the better examples of the "Underdog Aura." Where a character's formidability increases proportionately to the "Oh Shit" situation he/she is in.

Its not like he's wrong

Anyway I stand by my list

Vibe is up there as well

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
Its not like he's wrong

Anyway I stand by my list

Vibe is up there as well

He's completely wrong.

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
Its not like he's wrong

Anyway I stand by my list

Vibe is up there as well

Careful, you dont want to get on Delta's bad side.

I like your list, though.

Originally posted by riv6672


Careful, you dont want to get on Delta's bad side ...






Delta has a good side?

Flash.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
mmm


To be fair, Spider-Man has beaten Quicksilver, Speed Demon, Hulk, Classic Juggernaut and Firelord ... sometimes even when these people had HELP fighting against him ...

When you just list them like this it's actually pretty hilarious and awesome. Obviously there were some plot devices in a couple, and even I'd argue that a couple had some sh*t writing (the Hulk encounter more so than the others). But yeah, it's a good point.

Hulk - usually takes a team with prep to stop an enraged Hulk
Full powered Juggernaut - his last rampage, no one was able to stop him. Not even Thor
Doomsday - it usually takes team to stop him
Silver Surfer - an enrage Surfer is scary. Extremely scary
Thor - same as Surfer. An enrage Thor is scary, extremely scary. Both doesn't have any weaknesses.

These are the people that I view as when they go into a rage, nothing can stop them.

Adding Sentry to the list as well. No weakness exploiting. Do i really need to say anything else about Sentry?

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Flash.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk - usually takes a team with prep to stop an enraged Hulk
Full powered Juggernaut - his last rampage, no one was able to stop him. Not even Thor
Doomsday - it usually takes team to stop him
Silver Surfer - an enrage Surfer is scary. Extremely scary
Thor - same as Surfer. An enrage Thor is scary, extremely scary. Both doesn't have any weaknesses.

These are the people that I view as when they go into a rage, nothing can stop them.

Adding Sentry to the list as well. No weakness exploiting. Do i really need to say anything else about Sentry?

Arguably Sentry is more than HH, he has taken on the Void himself and has defeated him.

No HH could defeat the Void.

Unless you're using a weaker minded Sentry.

Have to add Reed Richards (although Doom has been mentioned). What can be said about him that we already don't know?

On thread topic you could go with Surfer.

I dont teally like Sentry, and Teed is a dillweed, but they're both great picks...!

Originally posted by Digi
When you just list them like this it's actually pretty hilarious and awesome. Obviously there were some plot devices in a couple, and even I'd argue that a couple had some sh*t writing (the Hulk encounter more so than the others). But yeah, it's a good point.
The Hulk incident was bad?

Juggernaut was stopped by cement...

Haha