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just waiting for my opponent to tell me it's ok to post our openings. he has godzilla. me? i have......

(if you know, no telling til posts are up! )

I'm ready for this. Do I need to post first?

COLOSSAL MID-HERALD MEGA BATTLEZONE!!!1!1

k, so, details:

prep--none

location--generic dbz-style mountain range

foemen--omega cable VS gojira

FIGHT!



now, i'm pretty familiar with the big lizard, and it's been my contention that while gojira is a massively powerful tank, he shouldn't be in this tier for the most part because he lacks the versatility to deal with truly powerful and versatile characters. my opponent disagrees. time to find out.

i think most are familiar with cable, so i'm going to show just a couple of scans to demonstrate the level of power cable was operating at for the purposes of this match.

firstly, TELEKINESIS: just how powerful was his tk? here he is forging providence:

https://i.imgur.com/f4Dc2Wc.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Fvp7d2f.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/TP9OI8e.jpg

he of course went on to hold providence suspended in the air for several DAYS, with only his TK while SIMULTANEOUSLY accomplishing the majority of his other omega cable feats--including famously battling the SILVER SURFER. in case someone has missed it: tk assembling and then holding aloft an entire ISLAND>>>>godzilla. keep that thought in mind for a short time, it will be important later.

here cable effortlessly detonates then funnels the energy of nearly 250 MISSILES out of the earth's atmosphere:

https://i.imgur.com/MD2B57F.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/SEjWZgy.jpg

again, WHILE he's upholding providence. his tk is ridiculous.

how finely can he control it?

https://i.imgur.com/SBA8rHv.jpg

he can literally TRANSMUTE via his tk.

here he shows maybe even greater atomic control:

https://i.imgur.com/szA5rVW.jpg

his tk is god-like on both the macro and micro levels. and it's destructive power?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/49210/1293552-cabledeadpool102005streetsamur4.jpg

not many capable of that, even in the herald tier....i have many others, but that should do for now.

onto,TELEPATHY: cable was undoubtedly the most powerful telepath on earth. here rachel speaks to a young nate about the extent of his powers should they reach their potential:

http://i.imgur.com/ewjLD59.jpg

and we know that he DID develop GLOBAL tp:

https://i.imgur.com/ybWkeoD.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/cV5Mbrx.jpg

his tp also allows him to become invisible at will:

https://i.imgur.com/1UjG213.jpg

this could be considered tp and tk i guess. note the accomplishments:

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img225/6355/soothepain.jpg

(1) soothes the pain of every single person on earth dying of a disease, (2) tampering with the blood of every AIDS victim in africa to name just a couple.

and lastly, we hear the term all the time, but.....what does it ACTUALLY look like when someone is "mindraped?" well, it looks like this:

https://i.imgur.com/OgcqG3o.jpg

one more last scan, showing his ability to create illusions:

https://i.imgur.com/3tinsd3.jpg

he also has a crazy healing factor, courtesy of deadpool AND is an immensely skilled tactician. neither will really come into play here. so, proof of power dealt with (lots more if needed), let's get to the battle.

BATTLE

upon reaching the battle field, the first thing cable does is turn invisible. godzilla has no notable tp resistance feats and has no chance of detecting me. in godzilla's world, telepaths DO exist, but the extent of their powers is enormously limited. once i'm invisible this ends very quickly.

cable takes to the air and flies several hundred meters away and several hundred meters up. now, remember when i said that upholding an entire island for days and days>>>>>>lifting godzilla? while godzilla tries to find me, i use my tk and lift him. and i KEEP lifting him. while he is being raised, faster and faster, i also spin the big brute, upside down and all around, being careful of stray breath blasts. when he reaches the upper limits of the atmosphere, i release him to fall and then i just watch what happens.

if he survives the fall, doubtful--he's survived some pretty big falls, but falling from near-orbit? i don't think he'd survive it. if he DOES survive the fall, welllllll, i lift him again. heh same thing, just repeat. a second fall from near-orbit WOULD end him. if somehow he is still clinging to life (i check telepathically), while still invisible, i do a quick, cellular level scan to locate his primary brain (if he has 2 in this match i get them both or whichever one i sense IS the primary one) and do THIS to gojira:

https://i.imgur.com/FXnkrjJ.jpg

only instead, i use THIS type of force:

https://i.imgur.com/XwZpEVN.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/kc0ByIN.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/sGnbVGM.jpg

yes, that was a MOUNTAIN he blew up using tk. oh, and he showed the ability to teleport, if anyone missed it.

and that is all. godzilla has no feats to show he could possibly regenerate from having his brain(s) LITERALLY disintegrated. in fact, quite the opposite as he needed an amp from rodan to regenerate a far lesser amount of damage to his second brain. the force of my attack would destroy not only his brain(s) but would likely destroy most of, if not ALL of his body as well. even orga couldn't recover from THAT level of damage. if my opponent goes on to suggest he could survive this, or somehow counters, i have more. soooooo much more that i can do. lol but it shouldn't be necessary.


it really doesn't get any simpler than that. i love the big lug but godzilla simply lacks the versatility to compete at this level and he dies in the first couple minutes of this match, never once seeing who killed him.

Yeah I suppose I conceded. While I can debate GZ vs beings like He Man, Hulk, Omni Man, Darkness, or even Sinestro, I think Omega Cable is not even a debate.

He should be high herald base on his feats and being equal to X-man who in turn is stated on par with Franklin Richards or a Celestial

So GZ stands no chance here. TP I'm not sold on, but invisibility with transmutation is a no brainer.

So conceded ing this match. Seriously though X-man, Omega Cable, and Franklin Richards are all high herald and near tran tier IMO.

Also to be fair Omega Cable would crush Hulk,Terrax, non Void Sentry, and half the other people in Mid Herald level, but those character are still listed as Mid Herald. This does not prove anything of GZ place since this cable would crush many other in the mid herald tier

Well that was fast.

Originally posted by CadenceV2
Also to be fair Omega Cable would crush Hulk,Terrax, non Void Sentry, and half the other people in Mid Herald level, but those character are still listed as Mid Herald. This does not prove anything of GZ place since this cable would crush many other in the mid herald tier
Every mid herald would crush Hulk.

Terrax is low herald.

Sentry is high herald.

No idea why you're taking Godzilla into a mid-herald match though

Originally posted by krisblaze
Every mid herald would crush Hulk.

Terrax is low herald.

Sentry is high herald.

No idea why you're taking Godzilla into a mid-herald match though

I think non void sentry is mid herald, as well Terrax. I know. Hulk is listed as Mid Herald on the tier system even though I always thought he was low herald myself.

I also laugh so hard that Flash, Rachel Phoneix, Nate Grey are all listed a mid herald when they can beat half the listed High Heralds.

I think the KMC Tier is not that accurate at the herald levels. But then I also feel unless you know he character well, anyone can argue so and so being in a certain tier. Anyway wherever Hulk is labeled is where GZ is at IMO.

Originally posted by CadenceV2
I think non void sentry is mid herald, as well Terrax. I know. Hulk is listed as Mid Herald on the tier system even though I always thought he was low herald myself.

I also laugh so hard that Flash, Rachel Phoneix, Nate Grey are all listed a mid herald when they can beat half the listed High Heralds.

I think the KMC Tier is not that accurate at the herald levels. But then I also feel unless you know he character well, anyone can argue so and so being in a certain tier. Anyway wherever Hulk is labeled is where GZ is at IMO.

The list is not a VS list, it's one of general/overall power;

"This is a GENERAL power listing. We don't care how fast, how versatile or how strong your favourite character is; it's an averaging out of power."

I explained this to you before, but there's hardly a noticable gap between mid and high. The only difference between that most high heralds have feats that dip into the trans+ category at times. That's why you see a lot of 'main characters' there.

Those + Quasar.

The Hulk's just there due to 7 years worth and bitching and moaning, not because he earned the spot

It doesn't matter what you or I think though, for the purpose of titling Battlezone threads the list seems to be absolute.

Meh nothing is absolute if it's inaccurate. Based on powers mean little when it's wrong. Superman is high herald, but Nate grey who can do so much more with his power is mid? It's pretty much in need of a tweaking.

Otherwise it is pointless to hold title matches for tiers if a single mid tier can beat 99% of the other mid tiers. Then that's just a problem. Hardly a flawless system to take seriously.

Anyway I really did not want a title match for anything above low meta unless it is Spawn. Just like a normal match to showcase why GZ can beat people like Hulk or Sinestro if argued right.

Inaccurate? It's a matter of opinion.

But it is absolute because for a mid meta match, you would not be allowed high or low metas, regardless of your opinion. Ergo, the list is absolute when it comes to bracketing for battlezones.

It doesn't speak to whether or not it's 'pointless' to hold a title match, you ****ing boop. And that's pretty respectless coming here and claiming that it is. Rose Tattoo is a street and could kill any character on any tier list, this somehow makes any title-match pointless?

People like Hulk or Sinestro? They have absolutely nothing in common.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Inaccurate? It's a matter of opinion.

But it is absolute because for a mid meta match, you would not be allowed high or low metas, regardless of your opinion. Ergo, the list is absolute when it comes to bracketing for battlezones.

It doesn't speak to whether or not it's 'pointless' to hold a title match, you ****ing boop. And that's pretty respectless coming here and claiming that it is. Rose Tattoo is a street and could kill any character on any tier list, this somehow makes any title-match pointless?

People like Hulk or Sinestro? They have absolutely nothing in common.

I suppose my views on it may feel insulting, I apologize I'm not trying to insult. I wanted a fun match of GZ vs a powerful character to prove why GZ deserves to beat the likes of Hulk or Sinestro which is how this debate started to begin with. Digi made a comment of GZ could not beat He Man in a title match so GZ would lose. I stated GZ was not debated well in that match. Leo said we should battle and he picked a tailored being vs GZ rather than a character more like Hulk or Sinestro who I said GZ had a shot against.

I'm not here to win matches, just prove why GZ can hang with mid and some high tiers. So don't get offended on my views of the inaccurate tiers

Originally posted by CadenceV2
I suppose my views on it may feel insulting, I apologize I'm not trying to insult. I wanted a fun match of GZ vs a powerful character to prove why GZ deserves to beat the likes of Hulk or Sinestro which is how this debate started to begin with. Digi made a comment of GZ could not beat He Man in a title match so GZ would lose. I stated GZ was not debated well in that match. Leo said we should battle and he picked a tailored being vs GZ rather than a character more like Hulk or Sinestro who I said GZ had a shot against.

I'm not here to win matches, just prove why GZ can hang with mid and some high tiers. So don't get offended on my views of the inaccurate tiers

Some characters do very well against others. If nothing else, let that be illustrated by the fact that Godzilla has no chance against Cable (or anyone in mid-herald). Certain characters are tailored to beat others.

This list, is not about who can beat who, but it's about overall power. Especially in the lower levels, where a gun and a bullet is realistically enough to kill most characters. You might think it's dumb, but that's because you're forcing a point of view onto the tier list, a point of view it wasn't made for.

Seriously. Pick a Marvel character from mid/high herald list and I'll fight Godzilla in a few days with them.

Sorry for taking offense, but you were literally saying that with this Tier-list, all title matches are shit/pointless.

Maybe I miss the way it's done on Comicvine which I am used to. Pick two characters that as agreed on would make a good match, and fight. I dislike the blind tier title matches after doing a few. so it really just my perspective on it.

I will take you up on that. Hulk is on that mid tier list. Composite GZ vs Hulk.

Originally posted by CadenceV2
Maybe I miss the way it's done on Comicvine which I am used to. Pick two characters that as agreed on would make a good match, and fight. I dislike the blind tier title matches after doing a few. so it really just my perspective on it.

I will take you up on that. Hulk is on that mid tier list. Composite GZ vs Hulk.

I don't understand the specifics of your fight here, but you almost always know your opposition on KMC. If that's what you wanted ,why not request it?

I have to rep the character I stated 2 posts ago that I did not feel was a mid herald? Okay then

Post limit?

Originally posted by krisblaze
I don't understand the specifics of your fight here, but you almost always know your opposition on KMC. If that's what you wanted ,why not request it?

I have to rep the character I stated 2 posts ago that I did not feel was a mid herald? Okay then

Post limit?

I only really ask for Hulk cause that's how his match started. So really if GZ can be mid tier or low herald is not my goal. Just wanted to show why I think GZ can beat Hulk

4 post limit with opener? I'm good with that, if you want more posts that's fine to.

Thanks for the match. I'm mostly in it for the fun

I'm going to work now, if you want to PM me, I waned to use Composite GZ with Final Wars body. Hit ya up later when I get back.

well.....sorry about that. but yeah, one of kmc's best debaters, smurph, already lost a title match using cable, though he did beat me with magneto. and surfer did beat cable down, hence the reason he's mid, not high herald. there are other mids who could beat cable as well.

there were literally 4-5 characters in the mid tier that would spitestomp zilla. the only one dimensional character in the tier is hulk. the rest are versatile AND powerful. similar to high heralds but usually without the big wins. but of course the tiers aren't perfect.

i almost chose hulk, and if i wasn't working i probably would have. good luck against hulk--imo you're really gonna need it.....

Yeah looking at mid tier on KMC I can see a few stomps. Flash, Cable, Nate, Rachel, Ect. They would murder GZ.

So by KMC levels GZ would be more comfortable in Low Herald.

hmm, then maybe we can do a low herald match instead of a mid herald one?

And I can do one of the characters I like

Heh. Yeah. Leo really had his pick of characters. Picking Nate at his best was really just making sure he stomped as hard as possible. There are at least a dozen or so that would coast against GZ, beastly as he is.

Originally posted by krisblaze
hmm, then maybe we can do a low herald match instead of a mid herald one?

And I can do one of the characters I like

Yeah that's fine. Let me know when your ready with a pick.

Originally posted by CadenceV2
Yeah looking at mid tier on KMC I can see a few stomps. Flash, Cable, Nate, Rachel, Ect. They would murder GZ.

So by KMC levels GZ would be more comfortable in Low Herald.

then my work here is done.

Originally posted by leonidas
then my work here is done.

But I still believe he could take on the likes of Sinestro, Terrax, or Hulk though So he may be low herald as per sight, I feel composite version can take certain versions of mid or even high heralds IMO.

Originally posted by CadenceV2
But I still believe he could take on the likes of Sinestro, Terrax, or Hulk though So he may be low herald as per sight, I feel composite version can take certain versions of mid or even high heralds IMO. This may not be the thread to discuss it, but for what it's worth, Sinestro would be a greater stomp than Cable. Hulk's probably not a great match up for Godzilla, but only because of arguments I know I'd personally make for Hulk.

Originally posted by Existere
This may not be the thread to discuss it, but for what it's worth, Sinestro would be a greater stomp than Cable. Hulk's probably not a great match up for Godzilla, but only because of arguments I know I'd personally make for Hulk.

I think the angle was radiation absorption for GZ against Hulk. Hulk's best strength and durability feats are largely unassailable at less than HH.

But you may be right about the discussion. Though it's not hurting anyone , as long as it doesn't end up too protracted.

Originally posted by CadenceV2
Yeah looking at mid tier on KMC I can see a few stomps. Flash, Cable, Nate, Rachel, Ect. They would murder GZ.

So by KMC levels GZ would be more comfortable in Low Herald.

In fairness, God Cable is maybe THE top mid herald, or at least in the top 2-3 in the tier. And yes, he's potentially HH even by our tiers, though in either case he straddles the line between the two. But not everyone in a tier is equal, so Leo could've picked quite a few that would have had to work harder to beat GZ. I think he was just proving a point and not taking any chances. I wanted him to pick Loki. No less assured of victory, but a lot more fun.

Originally posted by Digi
I think the angle was radiation absorption for GZ against Hulk. Hulk's best strength and durability feats are largely unassailable at less than HH.

But you may be right about the discussion. Though it's not hurting anyone , as long as it doesn't end up too protracted.



In fairness, God Cable is maybe THE top mid herald, or at least in the top 2-3 in the tier. Not everyone in a tier is equal, so Leo could've picked quite a few that would have had to work harder to beat GZ. I was thinking that Godzilla's atomic breath would lose a lot of offensive power against Hulk, like firing a solar weapon against Superman.

Originally posted by Existere
I was thinking that Godzilla's atomic breath would lose a lot of offensive power against Hulk, like firing a solar weapon against Superman.

I know nuclear weapons have harm Hulk. Grey Hulk was going to die to a Gamma Bomb, saved by magic. Merge Hulk tanked a regular nuke missile but was not the best of shape in the comics for a little bit after. People like Abomination, Leader, Red Hulk, She Hulk, Doc Samson, Half Life, and more all are Gamma radiated beings, but Hulk has never shown to feed of them.

Also the Radiation beam is more than radiation. It's also extreme heat energy and concussive energy. Heck it can be easy argued GZ BFR Hulk into space like he did to Kaizer Ghidorah in Final Wars with a blast. Also the spiral beam is so powerful that it by pass and one shot Space Godzilla whose durability was able to withstand the force of a black hole as well exploding stars. Even Hulk at his strongest should not withstand that. Also most versions of can get stronger by absorbing anything that contains radiation. Making Hulk a power snack for GZ the whole fight. I have more arguments, but GZ durability is Black Hole level with instant regen, and he can one shot beings of the same durability with the spiral ray.

Good to see Godzilla gaining support in the Battlezone forum either way. New energy for characters means more life and activity around here, which is awesome.

Originally posted by Existere


Good to see Godzilla gaining support in the Battlezone forum either way. New energy for characters means more life and activity around here, which is awesome.

Same here. I personally am all about comics from Image, IDW, Dark Horse, and Dynamite. So I hope to get battles in with these lesser knowns

Cool, cool. I have some stuff from each of those companies on my shelves - I liked Project Superpowers a lot but never really kept up with it after the first coupe trades. Still, potentially some good characters to use in there.

Originally posted by CadenceV2
I know nuclear weapons have harm Hulk. Grey Hulk was going to die to a Gamma Bomb, saved by magic. Merge Hulk tanked a regular nuke missile but was not the best of shape in the comics for a little bit after. People like Abomination, Leader, Red Hulk, She Hulk, Doc Samson, Half Life, and more all are Gamma radiated beings, but Hulk has never shown to feed of them.

Also the Radiation beam is more than radiation. It's also extreme heat energy and concussive energy. Heck it can be easy argued GZ BFR Hulk into space like he did to Kaizer Ghidorah in Final Wars with a blast. Also the spiral beam is so powerful that it by pass and one shot Space Godzilla whose durability was able to withstand the force of a black hole as well exploding stars. Even Hulk at his strongest should not withstand that. Also most versions of can get stronger by absorbing anything that contains radiation. Making Hulk a power snack for GZ the whole fight. I have more arguments, but GZ durability is Black Hole level with instant regen, and he can one shot beings of the same durability with the spiral ray.

tbh, there are several parts of that post i would....deconstruct if i had the time to bz hulk vs godzilla.....

Originally posted by leonidas
tbh, there are several parts of that post i would....deconstruct if i had the time to bz hulk vs godzilla.....

Maybe one day then I myself own the 60 years of Incredible Hulk on DVD and read the whole thing a few times when I was an Hulk fan. Still am in some ways, but for the most part I feel GZ can beat Hulk.

Originally posted by leonidas
tbh, there are several parts of that post i would....deconstruct if i had the time to bz hulk vs godzilla.....

Originally posted by CadenceV2
I know nuclear weapons have harm Hulk. Grey Hulk was going to die to a Gamma Bomb, saved by magic. Merge Hulk tanked a regular nuke missile but was not the best of shape in the comics for a little bit after. People like Abomination, Leader, Red Hulk, She Hulk, Doc Samson, Half Life, and more all are Gamma radiated beings, but Hulk has never shown to feed of them.

Also the Radiation beam is more than radiation. It's also extreme heat energy and concussive energy. Heck it can be easy argued GZ BFR Hulk into space like he did to Kaizer Ghidorah in Final Wars with a blast. Also the spiral beam is so powerful that it by pass and one shot Space Godzilla whose durability was able to withstand the force of a black hole as well exploding stars. Even Hulk at his strongest should not withstand that. Also most versions of can get stronger by absorbing anything that contains radiation. Making Hulk a power snack for GZ the whole fight. I have more arguments, but GZ durability is Black Hole level with instant regen, and he can one shot beings of the same durability with the spiral ray.

Since we're not doing a battlezone, I can debunk these things here.

One of Hulk's first durability feat is stopping a gamma bomb to no real ill effect, and you wouldn't be debating the gray hulk.

Hulk at his strongest was smashing planets no problem. If you think Godzilla can take WBH then I'll go with him and we can finish in half a post

The spiral beam would be nothing for him.

Hulk doesn't bleed gamma energy unless he's in worldbreaker mode, and in that mode the amount is so massive that it'd be weird to simply assume that Godzilla can absorb that much.

Okay I looked over the low herald list.

I still don't think Godzilla is close to being the top dawg there, but I could imagine him beating quite a few

How about Super Skrull vs Composite Godzilla?

Originally posted by krisblaze
Since we're not doing a battlezone, I can debunk these things here.

One of Hulk's first durability feat is stopping a gamma bomb to no real ill effect, and you wouldn't be debating the gray hulk.

Hulk at his strongest was smashing planets no problem. If you think Godzilla can take WBH then I'll go with him and we can finish in half a post

The spiral beam would be nothing for him.

Hulk doesn't bleed gamma energy unless he's in worldbreaker mode, and in that mode the amount is so massive that it'd be weird to simply assume that Godzilla can absorb that much.

Some things I can point out too

I was not saying Hulk cannot tank Gamma Bombs, just that he cannot brush of nuclear power attacks or nuclear power foes due to feeding off them for more power. He has one feat I can think of where he absorb nuke energy, and it was a one off feat never mention or shown again.

Spiral beam would wreck his world. Unless Hulk at his best has survived being in a black hole while bombarded with exploding stars level durability. He never come close to surviving that kind of power.

He does not need to bleed energy. GZ has shown in Hesiei to abosrb or manipulate radiation via physical contact. more power for GZ. Also GZ is a world breaker too via Heat. Called Burning GZ. It was shown he can destroy earth in two ways, and one of the ways explodes earth.

GZ has absorb enough Radiation to hit world busting levels, So I see no reason why he cannot match. The only problem with GZ was a inherent issue that was never explained as a time trigger deal, a effect of fighting Space GZ, or many other theories never confirmed of having trouble with his own heart which caused him a melt down. If not for his unexplained heart condition that plot wise conveniently could not be healed by the regen, he can absorb all thats needed. He simply grows in power and heals faster with radiation absorb. Either way both have shown world busting power.

Eventually destroying the planet is not what WBH was doing. Destroying a planet isn't the peak of his ability, I'm saying that he had absolutely no problems destroying planets.

Hulk has survived worse, and there aren't many injuries he can't recover from...

His resistance to energy manipulation is exceptional.

Also, are you okay with male Dr.Light?

I'm running through some options here, but I think he's the one I want for the fight.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Eventually destroying the planet is not what WBH was doing. Destroying a planet isn't the peak of his ability, I'm saying that he had absolutely no problems destroying planets.

Hulk has survived worse, and there aren't many injuries he can't recover from...

His resistance to energy manipulation is exceptional.

Also, are you okay with male Dr.Light?

I'm running through some options here, but I think he's the one I want for the fight.

The only on panel feat he has destroying a planet is with the help of she Hulk punching with WBH from what I seen. That is it. Hardly a argument to say without a doubt easy to destroy planets. If it is so easy, then he should have unassisted feats or what could be seen unassisted feats.

Again show me Hulk surviving worst than being thrown in a Black Hole while hit by exploding suns. Even Thanos took major damage from a Black Hole with no exploding stars once in the older days when he was above Silver Surfer. I hardly doubt any version of Hulk tank worse.

Anyway I think their is arguments that can be made for both sides which is why GZ vs Hulk is such a great battle.

Dr. Light from DC? Sure I am cool with that. Just no BFR scenario.

So he can only destroy half of many many planets then?

Should he? Does Godzilla have anyone? Where he's destroying planets? Who does? What character destroys planets willy nilly?

Wow that Godzilla feat gets greater with each time I hear about it. When I first saw it, it was just godzilla barely surviving being pulled into a very temporary black hole. Now he's tanking it no problem while there's exploding suns all around him!

As far as I know the Hulk doesn't have any incidents where he's faced a black hole, but he's survived planetary force and massive injuries on a consistent basis. Characters with far less durability than Thanos haev survived black holes to no ill effect several times, such as BRB, Surfer and Thor.

Now you're just tossing around Godzilla's higher end feats with no thought of consistency. Godzilla can win neither.7

And yes, Arthur Light.

Originally posted by krisblaze
So he can only destroy half of many many planets then?

Should he? Does Godzilla have anyone? Where he's destroying planets? Who does? What character destroys planets willy nilly?

Wow that Godzilla feat gets greater with each time I hear about it. When I first saw it, it was just godzilla barely surviving being pulled into a very temporary black hole. Now he's tanking it no problem while there's exploding suns all around him!

As far as I know the Hulk doesn't have any incidents where he's faced a black hole, but he's survived planetary force and massive injuries on a consistent basis. Characters with far less durability than Thanos haev survived black holes to no ill effect several times, such as BRB, Surfer and Thor.

Now you're just tossing around Godzilla's higher end feats with no thought of consistency. Godzilla can win neither.

How many planets Hulk busted? Earth is still there

Burning Godzilla was specifically shown to be a planet buster in two ways in the GZ vs Destroyah.

Your misunderstanding. GZ himself survived a Black hole twice, yes. But the feat i am referring to is GZ vs Space GZ. Space Godzilla was stated, and shown in the movie to been a G Cell that grew in a Black Hole, while hit by exploding stars, and came out of the Black Hole as a full grown Monster. Thats the durability of Space GZ. Yet Godzilla one shots him with the Spiral Ray. Body and all gone.

BRB and Thor >>> WB hulk IMO. Both are very close to Thanos by feats and who they beaten too.

Your also just throwing around a handful of Hulks high ends too

Again its all very debatable.

The ones surrounding She-Hulk and WBH?

GZ being stated to be capable of destroying a planet eventually by melting down/environmental damage is not the same...

The creation of space-GZ doesn't really sound like a durability feat, sounds like he's being created, and if it's just off-panel...

They're not close to Thanos by durability feats *shrug*, they're just not. And they never beat Thanos...

And in all honesty, it sounds like you're not prepared to be judged by the average of Godzilla's showings. Which is what the judges will do

Originally posted by krisblaze
The ones surrounding She-Hulk and WBH?

GZ being stated to be capable of destroying a planet eventually by melting down/environmental damage is not the same...

The creation of space-GZ doesn't really sound like a durability feat, sounds like he's being created, and if it's just off-panel...

They're not close to Thanos by durability feats *shrug*, they're just not. And they never beat Thanos...

And in all honesty, it sounds like you're not prepared to be judged by the average of Godzilla's showings. Which is what the judges will do

Hulk world busting feat is just as much can be invalid as some argue it never happen in the end.

No different than Hulks world busting that was undone so it never happen. It was stated and shown what Burning GZ would have done.

Space GZ is not off panel. It was shown in the movie through a crappy 3d art and was hen shown the monster himself traveling from the Black Hole.

Meh not worth debating in itself.

GZ average feats are superior to any average feats of Hulk who struggles many times with 200 to 1000 toners. Meanwhile GZ is knocking down cities by just walking. Also Marvel GZ matched strengths with people like Hercules or Classic Thor. Then the high end feats blow away Hulks own.

The fact were having this debate shows how debatable it is of current Hulk vs Composite Godzilla.

Originally posted by CadenceV2
The fact were having this debate shows how debatable it is of current Hulk vs Composite Godzilla.

I'm not commenting on your other points, but this one, in and of itself, is faulty logic. If I start debating that unicorns exist, and I'm sincere, the presence of a debate doesn't validate both sides equally. I'm not equating your arguments with defending the existence of unicorns, but just making the point that the method of justification is flawed.

Originally posted by leonidas
well.....sorry about that. but yeah, one of kmc's best debaters, smurph, already lost a title match using cable, though he did beat me with magneto. and surfer did beat cable down, hence the reason he's mid, not high herald. there are other mids who could beat cable as well.

there were literally 4-5 characters in the mid tier that would spitestomp zilla. the only one dimensional character in the tier is hulk. the rest are versatile AND powerful. similar to high heralds but usually without the big wins. but of course the tiers aren't perfect.

i almost chose hulk, and if i wasn't working i probably would have. good luck against hulk--imo you're really gonna need it.....
Yeah, I beat smurph.

w00tw00t

Originally posted by Digi
I'm not commenting on your other points, but this one, in and of itself, is faulty logic. If I start debating that unicorns exist, and I'm sincere, the presence of a debate doesn't validate both sides equally. I'm not equating your arguments with defending the existence of unicorns, but just making the point that the method of justification is flawed.

True enough, so the real test should be not me thinking I am making valid counters, but what others may agree with. That's said looking at the counter of both parties, do you think it's debatable? In the end that really is what debating is about, arguing views and getting others to see yours.

I think it's debatable, but yeah if others see the possible merit to the claims, then that's when it should be considered debatable.

I just want to argue against Hulk so much now!!!

^I'd gladly grant you a match, but the Hulk gets enough respect.

I'd much rather see him lose vs Godzilla

Dr.light on the other hand is one of those characters I think needs a bit more rep!

Yeah, Hulk is a bit spotlight whore on forums. Dr Light would be a interesting matchup.

Originally posted by CadenceV2
True enough, so the real test should be not me thinking I am making valid counters, but what others may agree with. That's said looking at the counter of both parties, do you think it's debatable? In the end that really is what debating is about, arguing views and getting others to see yours.

I think it's debatable, but yeah if others see the possible merit to the claims, then that's when it should be considered debatable.

I just want to argue against Hulk so much now!!!

I don't, tbh. I think you oversell GZ at the expense of objectivity. And I think that - whether top feats or average - Hulk wrecks GZ. But I'm just one person.

I would like to see this bz happen-- hulk vs composite godzilla b_hulkhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/Mog_Elffoe/Kaiju/ChibiGodzilla.gif

Originally posted by Digi
I don't, tbh. I think you oversell GZ at the expense of objectivity. And I think that - whether top feats or average - Hulk wrecks GZ. But I'm just one person.

I feel the opposite then. I think GZ is perfect tailored to beat Hulk who I feel is overatted afer reading all his comics from the 60s to the early 2000s. I feel WWH did nothing really as impressive as Savage Hulk, and I feel Wolrd Breaker is nowhere near the norm for debates anymore than sun dip Superman.

Either way love to debate it.