Injustice Superman Vs Odin

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Board Walker
This is the same Superman who outright dominated the skyfather Ganthet.

Does he do the same to Odin?

Prof. T.C McAbe

carver9
Superman wins.

celeyhyga17
Spite

bbrem123
Injustice Superman is a beast but he isn't beating Odin

Rage.Of.Olympus
erm

Spite.

And the reason Injustice Superman was as powerful as he was is because of a recent broadcast that had him running on the fear of a billion people. Who wants to bet that's temporary?

Also the last time Odin faced a being running on the fear of the planet, was the Serpent, who makes Superman and Ganthet look like Nightwing -in terms of implied power anyways- and we know how that fight went....

Also, people seem to be assuming Injustice Superman along with the rest of the Universe is analogous to the mainstream Universe. I must have missed that memo. Beating up his Universe's Ganthet doesn't mean he has a chance against Thanos or Earth-1 Ganthet, much less Odin.

carver9
Well, Ganthet durability wasn't that great, at all. He was killed by being pushed into the sun. Don't think the sun would kill most Heralds, let alone trans tiers.

relentless1
Injustice Superman? who has a bloodlust and isn't afraid to kill?! Superman for sure.

Estacado
Originally posted by carver9
Superman wins.
zoolander

maxivitopowe
Originally posted by relentless1
Injustice Superman? who has a bloodlust and isn't afraid to kill?! Superman for sure. Oh wow

DarkSaint85
Woah now. Let's not go crazy with Supes lol.

Board Walker
Injustice Superman also has a yellow lantern ring

CadenceV2
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
erm

Spite.

And the reason Injustice Superman was as powerful as he was is because of a recent broadcast that had him running on the fear of a billion people. Who wants to bet that's temporary?

Also the last time Odin faced a being running on the fear of the planet, was the Serpent, who makes Superman and Ganthet look like Nightwing -in terms of implied power anyways- and we know how that fight went....

Also, people seem to be assuming Injustice Superman along with the rest of the Universe is analogous to the mainstream Universe. I must have missed that memo. Beating up his Universe's Ganthet doesn't mean he has a chance against Thanos or Earth-1 Ganthet, much less Odin.

This.

Galan007
Originally posted by carver9
Superman wins. https://warosu.org/data/ic/img/0017/25/1399646241809.gif

Board Walker
To be fair Injustice superman one shotted a skyfather being, and destroyed a planet in the blink of an eye.

carver9
Originally posted by Galan007
https://warosu.org/data/ic/img/0017/25/1399646241809.gif

laughing out loud

Stoic
Originally posted by Board Walker
To be fair Injustice superman one shotted a skyfather being, and destroyed a planet in the blink of an eye.

Would a Sky Father character be defeated as easily as Ganthet was in that showing? look at the bigger picture. Less than Sky Father characters have shrugged off mare than what was shown. Ganthet was not a Sky Father.

Board Walker
Or it could be interpreted that Ganthet was skyfather, seeing as he nearly killed pre lantern superman with a wave of his hand. Furthermore, Ganthet was incinerating large portions of the sinestro corps in seconds.

It could be that when Superman acquired the yellow ring that he became above skyfather level, and as such was easily able to kill a skyfather level being.

krisblaze
Why is Ganthet a skyfaher?

Because he killed some injustice lanterns?

Wolverine could kill injustice lanterns.

Diesldude
Originally posted by carver9
Well, Ganthet durability wasn't that great, at all. He was killed by being pushed into the sun. Don't think the sun would kill most Heralds, let alone trans tiers.

I see, you're stealing my argument from the ownage thread.

It could have been the sun or it could have been superman choking Ganthet and flying at superspeed right into Mogo and his barrier of enormous will.

Ganthet was already in trouble, he knew it that's why he asked Mogo for help, Superman was choking the life out of him. Don't know how much of that was physical or the yellow ring, but Ganthet was already in trouble. I think the Sun didn't kill him, just that it was the final destination for him.

the Darkone
Odin rage stomp

deathslash
This is Injustice superman? The same superman that got tooled by captain atom's radiation (Odin has way more impressive energy manipulation than cap) and beaten down by Alfred? Odin curbstomps

Golgo13
Originally posted by deathslash
This is Injustice superman? The same superman that got tooled by captain atom's radiation (Odin has way more impressive energy manipulation than cap) and beaten down by Alfred? Odin curbstomps

He has a yellow ring now and currently owned Ganthet and Mogo together. Not saying he beats Odin, but he's far more powerful now.

deathslash
Originally posted by Golgo13
He has a yellow ring now and currently owned Ganthet and Mogo together. Not saying he beats Odin, but he's far more powerful now. yeah but they got killed by getting pushed into the sun. Also, this version of Clark isn't necessarily as strong as earth 1 superman.

Golgo13
Originally posted by deathslash
yeah but they got killed by getting pushed into the sun. Also, this version of Clark isn't necessarily as strong as earth 1 superman.

Yeah, and Ganthet couldn't do squat to him. It was an insane feat, only because he was amped by the fear of the population of earth.

Board Walker
Superman is normally a high herald, Ganthet effortlessly destroyed him. With the wave of Ganthets hand he nearly killed Superman (high herald), this puts ganthet in the skyfather range.

Following this Superman gained a yellow lantern ring, and effortlessly killed Ganthet (skyfather). It is then logical to assume that Superman was operating above skyfather level, which would be abstract level.

krisblaze
What puts injustice Superman at high herald?

False dichotomy at the highest level....

There's no either or when it comes to Skyfather and Abstract.

deathslash
Originally posted by Board Walker
Superman is normally a high herald, Ganthet effortlessly destroyed him. With the wave of Ganthets hand he nearly killed Superman (high herald), this puts ganthet in the skyfather range.

Following this Superman gained a yellow lantern ring, and effortlessly killed Ganthet (skyfather). It is then logical to assume that Superman was operating above skyfather level, which would be abstract level. sorry to tell you this but that is some really piss poor logic. Assuming that this version of superman is just as powerful as earth 1 superman is the same as assuming that brutaal is just as strong as earth 1 superman. Also, thanos effortlessly downs high heralds. Does that mean that thanos is suddenly a sky father because he treats high heralds like children? Also, this "skyfather" of yours was killed by getting pushed into the sun. Do you think that Odin would even be annoyed by something like that?

CadenceV2
^ what they said.

Board Walker
Originally posted by deathslash
sorry to tell you this but that is some really piss poor logic. Assuming that this version of superman is just as powerful as earth 1 superman is the same as assuming that brutaal is just as strong as earth 1 superman. Also, thanos effortlessly downs high heralds. Does that mean that thanos is suddenly a sky father because he treats high heralds like children? Also, this "skyfather" of yours was killed by getting pushed into the sun. Do you think that Odin would even be annoyed by something like that?

The sun was merely for show, Superman killed Ganthet with his trascending powers.

CadenceV2
^ weak argument. Why was he flown in the sun then? Why not the artist and writer make it clear he did not need the sun and kill Ganthet on panel for all to clearly see?

Board Walker
Originally posted by CadenceV2
^ weak argument. Why was he flown in the sun then? Why not the artist and writer make it clear he did not need the sun and kill Ganthet on panel for all to clearly see?

When Ganthet was flying into the sun you see an image reflecting in his eyes, and it is the multiverse. The multiverse is reflecting his eyes because it is directly in front of him, superman became a multiversal power.

What more proof do you need?

KingD19
Actual proof. And Superman not needing the sun to beat him.

deathslash
that is one of the most ridiculous assumptions that I've ever heard.

Board Walker
Originally posted by deathslash
that is one of the most ridiculous assumptions that I've ever heard.

Not an assumption friend, purely insight.

deathslash
Did the comic say that he became a multiversal power?

Prof. T.C McAbe
Injustice Superman is as much of a High Herald as Bor or the Serpent were Skyfathers.

shifty

carver9
Originally posted by Board Walker
When Ganthet was flying into the sun you see an image reflecting in his eyes, and it is the multiverse. The multiverse is reflecting his eyes because it is directly in front of him, superman became a multiversal power.

What more proof do you need?

Wow!!!

deathslash
Originally posted by carver9
Wow!!! is that a "wow, I didn't catch that before" or a "wow, you're deranged"?

relentless1
...ok so i just assumed we were talking about the video game injustice story....

burrrrrr
Originally posted by Board Walker
Superman is normally a high herald, Ganthet effortlessly destroyed him. With the wave of Ganthets hand he nearly killed Superman (high herald), this puts ganthet in the skyfather range.

Following this Superman gained a yellow lantern ring, and effortlessly killed Ganthet (skyfather). It is then logical to assume that Superman was operating above skyfather level, which would be abstract level.

It seems pretty clear that you are just trolling for the f of it. With that said, Odin wins in a laugher.

iceman24567
Odin pimp slaps Superman into a coma

Decimus
Originally posted by krisblaze
What puts injustice Superman at high herald?

False dichotomy at the highest level....

There's no either or when it comes to Skyfather and Abstract.
thumb up

zeel
Die hard superman fans think that superman could defeat the beyonder. cant really take theses threads seriously anymore.


anyway superman lasts longer then thanos but loses. But the end result is the same.

psycho gundam
3:15pm

Originally posted by carver9
Superman wins.

3:36pm

Originally posted by carver9
Well, Ganthet durability wasn't that great, at all. He was killed by being pushed into the sun. Don't think the sun would kill most Heralds, let alone trans tiers.

Insane Titan
Originally posted by psycho gundam
3:15pm



3:36pm classic phoney carver

quanchi112
Odin wins. Carver tears into his own awful, flimsy opinions.

Board Walker
Ganthet was an absolute beast, destroying millions of Yellow lanterns with the wave of his hand. That is sheer skyfather level right there, and superman bested him within in a moment of time.

Superman moved ganthet so fast that time, space, and reality itself was incinerating.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Board Walker
Ganthet was an absolute beast, destroying millions of Yellow lanterns with the wave of his hand. That is sheer skyfather level right there, and superman bested him within in a moment of time.

Superman moved ganthet so fast that time, space, and reality itself was incinerating. No, it isn't. Odin stomps. This isn't close.

laughing out loud

Board Walker
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it isn't. Odin stomps. This isn't close.

laughing out loud

You are forgetting that superman became a abstract entity during that fight, he became the very concept of fear made manifest. You can see it in ganthet's eyes, superman felt it in his heart.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Board Walker
You are forgetting that superman became a abstract entity during that fight, he became the very concept of fear made manifest. You can see it in ganthet's eyes, superman felt it in his heart. No, he didn't. Odin would rape this Superman. Ganthet isn't that powerful. He is nothing to Odin.

Board Walker
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he didn't. Odin would rape this Superman. Ganthet isn't that powerful. He is nothing to Odin.

Is that a picture of Konrad Curze in your signature?

deathslash
Dear lord.,Quanchi is actually right. What's this world coming to?

Board Walker
Let us also keep in mind Superman defeated high skyfather Ganthet, and low skyfather/high trans Mogo simultaneously.

KingD19
My ribs are hurting. From laughter. At how wrong this is.

deathslash
Originally posted by Board Walker
Let us also keep in mind Superman defeated high skyfather Ganthet, and low skyfather/high trans Mogo simultaneously. damn it man, ganthet isn't a high level skyfather and killing canon fodder counts for nothing!

carver9
Originally posted by KingD19
My ribs are hurting. From laughter. At how wrong this is.

Lol...I honestly don't think he is serious.

Board Walker
Originally posted by deathslash
damn it man, ganthet isn't a high level skyfather and killing canon fodder counts for nothing!

I thought Ganthet is the DC High skyfather, he is to DC what Odin is to Marvel. Has not Ganthet formed multiverses in his hand? Has Ganthet not destroy countless universes?

Mogo is legendary, he is the only living planet that is will incarnate. Mogo is at the very least high trans.

iceman24567
Originally posted by Board Walker
I thought Ganthet is the DC High skyfather, he is to DC what Odin is to Marvel. Has not Ganthet formed multiverses in his hand? Has Ganthet not destroy countless universes?

Mogo is legendary, he is the only living planet that is will incarnate. Mogo is at the very least high trans. Nope wrong

tkitna
This still open?

deathslash
Originally posted by Board Walker
I thought Ganthet is the DC High skyfather, he is to DC what Odin is to Marvel. Has not Ganthet formed multiverses in his hand? Has Ganthet not destroy countless universes?

Mogo is legendary, he is the only living planet that is will incarnate. Mogo is at the very least high trans. you are literally giving alternate reality versions of these characters the feats of their earth 1 counterparts. Also, you just gave a nearly featless version of mono the title of high trans. Also ganthet isn't even close to odin's league.

Board Walker
Superman has always been a high herald, Ganthet effortlessly defeated him. This puts Ganthet in the high trans to Skyfather league, of which is then used for the next reference. Superman with a ring then effortlessly killed Ganthet which puts superman far above high trans, and or skyfather.

Mogo is all likelyhood a high trans, and or low skyfather due to his effortless destroying of billions mid-high heralds.

Prof. T.C McAbe
Originally posted by Board Walker
I thought Ganthet is the DC High skyfather, he is to DC what Odin is to Marvel. Has not Ganthet formed multiverses in his hand? Has Ganthet not destroy countless universes?

Mogo is legendary, he is the only living planet that is will incarnate. Mogo is at the very least high trans.

TBH your stance makes sense^^. Let's see what happens next, if he will keep this amp or who will be able to take it from him.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Board Walker
Superman has always been a high herald, Ganthet effortlessly defeated him. This puts Ganthet in the high trans to Skyfather league, of which is then used for the next reference. Superman with a ring then effortlessly killed Ganthet which puts superman far above high trans, and or skyfather.

Mogo is all likelyhood a high trans, and or low skyfather due to his effortless destroying of billions mid-high heralds. You need proof not just baseless theories. You have no evidence just speculation thus Odin stomps.

basilisk
Superman might give Odin a surprise at the beginning of the fight, assuming this is Supes at his amped levels. But Odin should take him in the end as long as he uses his full power set and doesn't just restrict himself to throwing a few punches and energy blasts around.

iceman24567
Originally posted by Board Walker
Superman has always been a high herald, Ganthet effortlessly defeated him. This puts Ganthet in the high trans to Skyfather league, of which is then used for the next reference. Superman with a ring then effortlessly killed Ganthet which puts superman far above high trans, and or skyfather.

Mogo is all likelyhood a high trans, and or low skyfather due to his effortless destroying of billions mid-high heralds. Not how things work. Injustice Superman doesnt automatically get to be high herald because you say so.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
TBH your stance makes sense^^. Let's see what happens next, if he will keep this amp or who will be able to take it from him. LOL dont act like you are being honest with yourself bro laughing

zopzop
IMHO, Odin wins.

Board Walker
With the newest showings from injustice superman, I say superman stomps 10/10.

Time Immemorial
House of El wins.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by Board Walker
When Ganthet was flying into the sun you see an image reflecting in his eyes, and it is the multiverse. The multiverse is reflecting his eyes because it is directly in front of him, superman became a multiversal power.

What more proof do you need? Originally posted by Galan007
https://warosu.org/data/ic/img/0017/25/1399646241809.gif

pym-ftw
Dumb threads like this makes me miss Big C

carver9
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
TBH your stance makes sense^^. Let's see what happens next, if he will keep this amp or who will be able to take it from him.

laughing out loud

As for the thread...Odin one shot kills this version of Superman.

Branlor Swift
It's times like this when you remember that some people only post to troll.

iceman24567
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
It's times like this when you remember that some people only post to troll. thumb up Its terrible

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by carver9
laughing out loud

As for the thread...Odin one shot kills this version of Superman.

Lies carver, lies

the Darkone
Odin has a new b***h it's his name is Injustice Superman

Star428
Originally posted by krisblaze
Why is Ganthet a skyfaher?

Because he killed some injustice lanterns?

Wolverine could kill injustice lanterns.


Sure. If they just stand there, not use any of their powers, and just let him kill them.

Star428
Originally posted by zeel
Die hard superman fans think that superman could defeat the beyonder. cant really take theses threads seriously anymore.


anyway superman lasts longer then thanos but loses. But the end result is the same.


I'm a "die-hard" Superman fan and I sure as Hell don't think Superman could beat the Beyonder. About this matchup, I'm not so sure as I haven't read the story but one-shotting a being like Ganthet seems like a helluva feat though.


Also, Thanos didn't lose to Odin, iirc. He stalemated him.

DarkSaint85
Multiverse reflected in his eyes lol. Poetry right there.

bbrem123
w....t....f.....

am I reading some of these posts right? Superman a Multiversal abstract able to spite odin 10/10

quanchi112
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Multiverse reflected in his eyes lol. Poetry right there. Board Walker is one of the worst debaters I have ever seen.

the Darkone
Odin defeated his brother Clor who is the God of Hate and feeds off it, Odin cut him off from the source of his power and this was Odin without the Odinforce. Odin w/Odinforce is too damn powerful, and too damn versatile Odin can amp beyond Injustice SM period to keep on discussion this retarded and fanboyism at it highest. Odin by feats sh** all over Marvel hierarchy list with ease, Odin defeated hius evil self Infinity that was siphion power from the cosmic entity Infinity, his dark self was destroying galaxies just by extended his hand and Odin defeated him with greatest of ease undid the damage with a thought.

Gathnet and Mogo got nothing on Odin let alone SA Odin, not all alternate reality beings are same in power and ability and that's a fact.

carver9
Originally posted by Star428
I'm a "die-hard" Superman fan and I sure as Hell don't think Superman could beat the Beyonder. About this matchup, I'm not so sure as I haven't read the story but one-shotting a being like Ganthet seems like a helluva feat though.


Also, Thanos didn't lose to Odin, iirc. He stalemated him.

A feat less Ganthet that got killed by the sun.

Board Walker
Originally posted by carver9
A feat less Ganthet that got killed by the sun.


When taking alternate relaities into account is accurate to assume a parallel between their main stream counterparts unless otherwise indicated. Injustice has demonstrated a majority of the characters being precisely like their mainstream counterparts, and it would be accurate to do so for Ganthet as well.

Ganthet is not featless throughout the Injustice run, he has the following feats.
1. Effortlessly One shotted Hal Jordan, Sinestro, and 3 yellow Lanterns simultaneously.
2. Effortlessly Incinerated hundreds of yellow lanterns in space with the wave of his hand
3. Effortlessly one shotted Shazam with the wave of his index finger while whispering "Shh".
4. Effortlessly one shotted Superman (prior to yellow ring upgrade) with the wave of his hand.

Post of Superman gaining a yellow lantern ring he was able to effortlessly kill a blood thirsted Ganthet who tried to kill him (stated on panel), and killed Mogo simultaneously.

carver9
Originally posted by Board Walker
When taking alternate relaities into account is accurate to assume a parallel between their main stream counterparts unless otherwise indicated. Injustice has demonstrated a majority of the characters being precisely like their mainstream counterparts, and it would be accurate to do so for Ganthet as well.

Ganthet is not featless throughout the Injustice run, he has the following feats.
1. Effortlessly One shotted Hal Jordan, Sinestro, and 3 yellow Lanterns simultaneously.
2. Effortlessly Incinerated hundreds of yellow lanterns in space with the wave of his hand
3. Effortlessly one shotted Shazam with the wave of his index finger while whispering "Shh".
4. Effortlessly one shotted Superman (prior to yellow ring upgrade) with the wave of his hand.

Post of Superman gaining a yellow lantern ring he was able to effortlessly kill a blood thirsted Ganthet who tried to kill him (stated on panel), and killed Mogo simultaneously.

So what does that make Captain Atom who beat this same version of Superman with a couple of blows?

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2014-09-17-08-55-31_zpsc7a203bd.png.html
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-09-17-08-55-41_zps68567522.png.html
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-10-08-14-54-52_zps7f1fa183.png.html
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-10-08-14-55-00_zps49732b16.png.html
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-10-08-14-55-21_zpsa1b4e993.png.html

Is Captain Atom abstract as well? Also, per forum rules, alternate reality characters doesn't share fts with the real deal. They have their own fts and the characters are usually different power wise.

The Lanterns are ft less. Sinestro doesn't have any durability fts to cling too and Hal doesn't either. So again, provide some evidence or stop.

Board Walker
Originally posted by carver9
So what does that make Captain Atom who beat this same version of Superman with a couple of blows?

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2014-09-17-08-55-31_zpsc7a203bd.png.html
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-09-17-08-55-41_zps68567522.png.html
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-10-08-14-54-52_zps7f1fa183.png.html
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-10-08-14-55-00_zps49732b16.png.html
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-10-08-14-55-21_zpsa1b4e993.png.html

Is Captain Atom abstract as well? Also, per forum rules, alternate reality characters doesn't share fts with the real deal. They have their own fts and the characters are usually different power wise.

The Lanterns are ft less. Sinestro doesn't have any durability fts to cling too and Hal doesn't either. So again, provide some evidence or stop.

Superman has a plethora of feats through out the injustice run to put him at high herald, and Captain Atom beating him down solidifies himself at or above high herald.

I already explained why Ganthet is skyfather because of his feats, and why SUperman is above skyfather because of his domination of ganthet who is skyfather by feats.

carver9
Originally posted by Board Walker
Superman has a plethora of feats through out the injustice run to put him at high herald, and Captain Atom beating him down solidifies himself at or above high herald.

I already explained why Ganthet is skyfather because of his feats, and why SUperman is above skyfather because of his domination of ganthet who is skyfather by feats.

But your claims are false though. He took out some ft less characters. That's not how we debate here. Then he died by being pushed into the sun...something that the lowest of Heralds could survive. Overall, your argument is terrible.

Also, lol at Cap Atom being above Herald level.

carver9
Here we have Alfred taking out Injustice Superman with a couple of punches.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/149681/3556719-superman-vs-alfred-injustice-gods-among-us-36.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/149681/3556720-s7tozcw.jpg

Is he trans tier as well?

Zack Fair
LMAO.

Alfred the man.

Board Walker
The pills turn humans into high herald tier entities

carver9
Originally posted by Board Walker
The pills turn humans into high herald tier entities

So Alfred would be able to take out DCNU Superman and DCU Superman the same way? Two legit Hugh Heralds.

Prof. T.C McAbe
Ok, to prevent some damage done by Carvers lies.

First Superman showed that he is above everyone on Earth, even Captain Atom during the Apokolips invasion where he, with speed that made everyone else sans Flash look like in a time freeze, killed every single Parademon on earth. The Parademons were everywhere and he speedblitzed them while every other hero was unable to fend them off and Captain Atom could only safe or hold them back in one city. This is already a Trans feat.

Captain Atom was first in the same position like Superman, Supes hand at CA throat.
http://a3.mzstatic.com/us/r30/Publication6/v4/90/94/95/90949505-d141-45b9-c539-ad13cef668c8/PAGE_004.480x480-75.jpg
Superman was there to protect his parents and the first hit CA got was a suckerpunch. We see that CA is at some point now in the reverse position but the fight is far from over when WW interfers. How the fight would have gone is at best a guess.
BTW we see that Superman breaks CA wrist or crunches it.
http://31.media.tumblr.com/252c9b336abf988f06377fc7782d0b60/tumblr_mrufa689611qi0dp3o2_1280.jpg
CA then flies Superman into orbit because CA can't hold all this power and he wants to take Superman with him. So when all of CA power is released at once to kill Superman it does nothing but hurt him and ko him. We know from this that all of CA power, everything he has is merely enough to ko this Superman but the price for this feat is ultimately death.

As for the Alfred fight. Carver, intentionally, left out the fact that Alfred took a pill that gave him Supermans powers AND most of all that Superman just tanked the whole power of CA (who died in the process) was hurt and even koed by this explosion, so he was severly weakened after surviving somthing that almost killed WW (who was nowhere near the center of the explosion).

So yes, he is above CA and he is HH or higher.

Board Walker
Prof T.C. McAbe is truly a good poster

quanchi112
Originally posted by Board Walker
Prof T.C. McAbe is truly a good poster

No, he is very biased.

carver9
Originally posted by Board Walker
Prof T.C. McAbe is truly a good poster

laughing out loud

He didn't prove a thing. Cap owned Supes and had a clear advantage against him in the fight. Even when Supes broke his arm, he still couldn't get out of Cap's grip.

There's no proof that Superman was weakened when he faced Alfred...especially when the sun was beaming on him beforehand.

A speed ft doesn't make a character trans tier.

Prof. T.C McAbe
Originally posted by carver9
laughing out loud

He didn't prove a thing. Cap owned Supes and had a clear advantage against him in the fight. Even when Supes broke his arm, he still couldn't get out of Cap's grip.

There's no proof that Superman was weakened when he faced Alfred...especially when the sun was beaming on him beforehand.

A speed ft doesn't make a character trans tier.

Laugh as much as you want. You lowballing knows no bounds and you ar a liar.

CA with all his power and sacrifice was just able to ko Superman. He died in the process. Before that the fight was far from over. Fact.

Alfred with Supermans powers. Sure, he tanked a point blank explosion of CA, all the power of CA in the face, was koed, bloodied, blood in his eyes. He woke up went asap to Diana who was almost killed by just the a bit of said explosion, killed Green Arrow and went after Batman, when he faced Bats he was still far from healed, you see all the scratches etc. But yeah, this blast healed instantly and he was to 100% power, welcome to Carter lowball world. The fight against Alfred was everything but a low feat. Alfred + Supermans powers vs Superman who tanked and survived what other heralds couldn't. Good job Carver at lowballing, never change.

Speed and power output. He killed all the Parademons.

iceman24567
Originally posted by Star428
I'm a "die-hard" Superman fan and I sure as Hell don't think Superman could beat the Beyonder. About this matchup, I'm not so sure as I haven't read the story but one-shotting a being like Ganthet seems like a helluva feat though.


Also, Thanos didn't lose to Odin, iirc. He stalemated him. That wasnt a stalemate laughing

quanchi112
Originally posted by iceman24567
That wasnt a stalemate laughing Yes, it was.

Diesldude
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Ok, to prevent some damage done by Carvers lies.

First Superman showed that he is above everyone on Earth, even Captain Atom during the Apokolips invasion where he, with speed that made everyone else sans Flash look like in a time freeze, killed every single Parademon on earth. The Parademons were everywhere and he speedblitzed them while every other hero was unable to fend them off and Captain Atom could only safe or hold them back in one city. This is already a Trans feat.

Captain Atom was first in the same position like Superman, Supes hand at CA throat.
http://a3.mzstatic.com/us/r30/Publication6/v4/90/94/95/90949505-d141-45b9-c539-ad13cef668c8/PAGE_004.480x480-75.jpg
Superman was there to protect his parents and the first hit CA got was a suckerpunch. We see that CA is at some point now in the reverse position but the fight is far from over when WW interfers. How the fight would have gone is at best a guess.
BTW we see that Superman breaks CA wrist or crunches it.
http://31.media.tumblr.com/252c9b336abf988f06377fc7782d0b60/tumblr_mrufa689611qi0dp3o2_1280.jpg
CA then flies Superman into orbit because CA can't hold all this power and he wants to take Superman with him. So when all of CA power is released at once to kill Superman it does nothing but hurt him and ko him. We know from this that all of CA power, everything he has is merely enough to ko this Superman but the price for this feat is ultimately death.

As for the Alfred fight. Carver, intentionally, left out the fact that Alfred took a pill that gave him Supermans powers AND most of all that Superman just tanked the whole power of CA (who died in the process) was hurt and even koed by this explosion, so he was severly weakened after surviving somthing that almost killed WW (who was nowhere near the center of the explosion).

So yes, he is above CA and he is HH or higher.

Carver was just going over what was posted in the ownage thread and formed an opinion. I highly doubt that he read these comics.

BTW, good post. thumb up
Reading into that first scan, where superman is holding Captain Atom knocked out, scenes like that usually means that they battled it out and one of them clearly lost, in this case Captain Atom.

Diesldude
Originally posted by carver9
laughing out loud

He didn't prove a thing. Cap owned Supes and had a clear advantage against him in the fight. Even when Supes broke his arm, he still couldn't get out of Cap's grip.

There's no proof that Superman was weakened when he faced Alfred...especially when the sun was beaming on him beforehand.

A speed ft doesn't make a character trans tier.

Why is superman's suit tattered before alfred headbutted him?

krisblaze
Originally posted by Star428
Sure. If they just stand there, not use any of their powers, and just let him kill them.
That's how they died against Mogo and Ganthet, so it seems fitting smile

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Board Walker
When taking alternate relaities into account is accurate to assume a parallel between their main stream counterparts unless otherwise indicated. Injustice has demonstrated a majority of the characters being precisely like their mainstream counterparts, and it would be accurate to do so for Ganthet as well.

Ganthet is not featless throughout the Injustice run, he has the following feats.
1. Effortlessly One shotted Hal Jordan, Sinestro, and 3 yellow Lanterns simultaneously.
2. Effortlessly Incinerated hundreds of yellow lanterns in space with the wave of his hand
3. Effortlessly one shotted Shazam with the wave of his index finger while whispering "Shh".
4. Effortlessly one shotted Superman (prior to yellow ring upgrade) with the wave of his hand.

Post of Superman gaining a yellow lantern ring he was able to effortlessly kill a blood thirsted Ganthet who tried to kill him (stated on panel), and killed Mogo simultaneously.

Except Ganthet in the mainstream DCU hasn't done all that....last big battle I remember, he was amped by Parallax, and some heralds owned him.

Board Walker
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Except Ganthet in the mainstream DCU hasn't done all that....last big battle I remember, he was amped by Parallax, and some heralds owned him.

That is what Ganthet did in the Injustice run

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Board Walker
That is what Ganthet did in the Injustice run

So...he didn't do it in the mainstream run.

So...they're not equal.

They are different.

Do Hal/Sinestro/3 yellow lanterns have the same feats?
Do the hundreds of yellow lanterns have the same feats?
Does Shazam have the same feats?
Superman?

We already know, that in Injustice, Yellow Lanterns are empowered by the fear of others. The more people fear you, the more power you have. THAT is definitely different from mainstream DCU.

Conversely, the less fear people have of you, the less power you have.

On the battlefield, nobody feared the Yellow Lanterns. Therefore, incineration hundreds (your second feat) is not that great a feat. Nor is 1, as Sinestro would not have been feared as much. Him one shotting Hal/Guy is to be expected, as he always had more power than them.

So essentially, you are left with 2 feats. Hushing Shazam, and smacking Superman away. The second of which, many have done, without being Skyfather tier.

So really, the only feat you have, is hushing Shazam.

Prof. T.C McAbe
Ok, so let's stick to Superman. His Parademon feat put's him imo at the very least in the HH Tier. What level would you need to own an HH in such a humiliating manner, in your opinion?

krisblaze
Ganthet can very well have enough energy-output to level Superman, while still being weak enough for Superman to throttle.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Ok, so let's stick to Superman. His Parademon feat put's him imo at the very least in the HH Tier. What level would you need to own an HH in such a humiliating manner, in your opinion?

Well, looking at some of the characters we have in the Trans tiering here on KMC, Fernus the Burning being a prime example, I would say Injustice Ganthet could well be a Trans, based on the few feats.

Odin is safely a tier above that.

Fernus, after all, CASUALLY owned the JLA....but would you put him up against Odin and expect a win?

Prof. T.C McAbe
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, looking at some of the characters we have in the Trans tiering here on KMC, Fernus the Burning being a prime example, I would say Injustice Ganthet could well be a Trans, based on the few feats.

Odin is safely a tier above that.

Fernus, after all, CASUALLY owned the JLA....but would you put him up against Odin and expect a win?

Ok, we are now just trying to find a common ground. So where in the Trans Tier would you put Ganthet, mid or high?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Ok, we are now just trying to find a common ground. So where in the Trans Tier would you put Ganthet, mid or high?

He has too few feats to say. That's the issue here.

I mean, Board Walker listed 4 of his greatest feats, of which 2 are dodgy at best (the owning of the lanterns, and the owning of Sinestro/Hal/Guy).

So we have two feats. One is shushing/then blasting Shazam, and the other is blasting Superman.

Neither of which suggests he has any durability. He has energy projection skills, sure, no one is doubting that. But a solid tier beneath Odin, who really is the top Skyfather out there.

Prof. T.C McAbe
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He has too few feats to say. That's the issue here.

I mean, Board Walker listed 4 of his greatest feats, of which 2 are dodgy at best (the owning of the lanterns, and the owning of Sinestro/Hal/Guy).

So we have two feats. One is shushing/then blasting Shazam, and the other is blasting Superman.

Neither of which suggests he has any durability. He has energy projection skills, sure, no one is doubting that. But a solid tier beneath Odin, who really is the top Skyfather out there.

C'mon he blocked Supermans best with ease and humiliated him worse than anyone else, at least you could say, he is a whole tier above Superman, that would be what is most likely, don't you think?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
C'mon he blocked Supermans best with ease and humiliated him worse than anyone else, at least you could say, he is a whole tier above Superman, that would be what is most likely, don't you think?

Well, yes, I agree. So Trans.

Which is below Skyfather.

So, in terms of tiers:

Mid Herald: Shazam (this is purely going by the tier thread)
High Herald: Superman (as per our mutual agreement)
Trans: Ganthet (owned a HH and a mid herald as effortlessly as others have, such as Fernus)
Skyfather: Odin (and like mainstream DC Superman, or 616 Surfer being the top examples of the HH tier, Odin is the top dog of his tier).

Ganthet humiliated the tiers below him. This is only fair.

Odin would do the same.

Prof. T.C McAbe
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, yes, I agree. So Trans.

Which is below Skyfather.

So, in terms of tiers:

Mid Herald: Shazam (this is purely going by the tier thread)
High Herald: Superman (as per our mutual agreement)
Trans: Ganthet (owned a HH and a mid herald as effortlessly as others have, such as Fernus)
Skyfather: Odin (and like mainstream DC Superman, or 616 Surfer being the top examples of the HH tier, Odin is the top dog of his tier).

Ganthet humiliated the tiers below him. This is only fair.

Odin would do the same.

Ok, I think we can go with this list. Now Superman tanked a whole blast of the same Ganthet who casually humiliated him.

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140902164753/injusticegodsamongus/images/thumb/b/bb/Guardian%27s_power.jpg/500px-Guardian%27s_power.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/02lNYrh.jpg

He put more effort into this attack than before.

Also Sinestro Superman owned him and Mogo at the very same time.

That would be mean that Superman had to be at least a whole Tier above Ganthet. So Ganthet being a Trans means this Superman is a Skyfather level being, the same level as Odin. So this is a good fight.

BTW I agreed with you that Ganthet had to be a Trans and that Superman, even in the same Tier as Odin would lose because of Odins experience.

I just hoped they will show how Superman with the ring can be defeated... never happened though.

EDit: I am going by the weakest interpretation here though I can see that the GL and SL being mid Heralds and Supes already being low Trans and Ganthet mid to high Skyfather, which would put Superman with the yellow Ring above this. But for the sake of this argument I rather stick with the weaker interpretations.

DarkSaint85
As much as I love Mogo (and I do, I really do) I don't see him(her?) as a Trans level being.

I know he owned loads of yellow lanterns (not 'millions', as Board Walker laughably claimed) but due to the way the Sinestro rings work in Injustice (based on the fear others have of you), these no name, featless lanterns would be the very definition of cannon fodder, lol. They have no names, no feats. No one would fear them. Ergo, they have no power, and we shouldn't attribute all of them as HHs. Or even mid-heralds.

Prof. T.C McAbe
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
As much as I love Mogo (and I do, I really do) I don't see him(her?) as a Trans level being.

I know he owned loads of yellow lanterns (not 'millions', as Board Walker laughably claimed) but due to the way the Sinestro rings work in Injustice (based on the fear others have of you), these no name, featless lanterns would be the very definition of cannon fodder, lol. They have no names, no feats. No one would fear them. Ergo, they have no power, and we shouldn't attribute all of them as HHs. Or even mid-heralds.

But you agree that Ganthet is Trans and Superman with a yellow Ring had to be a tier above him to own him in such a humiliating manner, right?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
But you agree that Ganthet is Trans and Superman with a yellow Ring had to be a tier above him to own him in such a humiliating manner, right?

thumb up

Yup.

Sinestro Superman, when he killed Ganthet, was Skyfather tier. Where he is in that tier (High/Mid/Low) I have no idea, however.

Edit: do we even have high/mid/low Skyfathers?

bbrem123
I can see Injustice Superman at Low Skyfather tier. Nothing higher until we get more out of him. He sure isnt beating Odin though.

Prof. T.C McAbe
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
thumb up

Yup.

Sinestro Superman, when he killed Ganthet, was Skyfather tier. Where he is in that tier (High/Mid/Low) I have no idea, however.

Edit: do we even have high/mid/low Skyfathers?

Personally I like to split every Tier into low, mid and high or lesser, intermediate and greater.

So we agree it is a good fight but that Odin would most likely win.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Personally I like to split every Tier into low, mid and high or lesser, intermediate and greater.

So we agree it is a good fight but that Odin would most likely win.

Oh, yes, we do.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Board Walker
Superman has always been a high herald, Ganthet effortlessly defeated him. This puts Ganthet in the high trans to Skyfather league, of which is then used for the next reference. Superman with a ring then effortlessly killed Ganthet which puts superman far above high trans, and or skyfather.

Mogo is all likelyhood a high trans, and or low skyfather due to his effortless destroying of billions mid-high heralds.

This was the type of argument I was posting against.

Billions of mid-high heralds?

Superman being turned into above skyfather?

Yeahhhhhh....

Prof. T.C McAbe
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This was the type of argument I was posting against.

Billions of mid-high heralds?

Superman being turned into above skyfather?

Yeahhhhhh....

This is a more generous interpretation though still a possibility, I just don't see it because it was just one showing and we lack more.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So...he didn't do it in the mainstream run.

So...they're not equal.

They are different.

Do Hal/Sinestro/3 yellow lanterns have the same feats?
Do the hundreds of yellow lanterns have the same feats?
Does Shazam have the same feats?
Superman?

We already know, that in Injustice, Yellow Lanterns are empowered by the fear of others. The more people fear you, the more power you have. THAT is definitely different from mainstream DCU.

Conversely, the less fear people have of you, the less power you have.

On the battlefield, nobody feared the Yellow Lanterns. Therefore, incineration hundreds (your second feat) is not that great a feat. Nor is 1, as Sinestro would not have been feared as much. Him one shotting Hal/Guy is to be expected, as he always had more power than them.

So essentially, you are left with 2 feats. Hushing Shazam, and smacking Superman away. The second of which, many have done, without being Skyfather tier.

So really, the only feat you have, is hushing Shazam.

This

KingD19
Shazam was clearly made out to be weaker than normal going by comic and game feats when it comes to Injustice.

the Darkone
Injustice SM is no low Sky FAther, Low Sky Father would be Mesphisto, Posiden, Hades level of power. IJSM is some where near High trans if that, sky father level is odin, Zeus, Vishnu, Zuras, Dormammu, Nightmare, Satannish, The Serpent. And Odin sh** stomp the Serpent pre Odin Force :/

Board Walker
Injustice Superman is somewhere from Medium to High Skyfather

DarkSaint85
Or low to medium.

Odin is def high though.

And at least you've stopped your nonsense about him seeing the multi verse or whatever.

Board Walker
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Or low to medium.

Odin is def high though.

And at least you've stopped your nonsense about him seeing the multi verse or whatever.

Superman's position is between low to high skyfather, however HE IS multiversal in conceptual power.

DarkSaint85
With no showings? Conceptual power is just that....conceptual.

Odin beats his ass. No low to medium sky father is winning.

Billions of mid heralds, lol.

Board Walker
I shall explain clearly for you

Mogo incinerated billions of high heralds instantly,, this puts mogo clearly above high herald.

Superman then pushed mogo with a force greater than a universal sum, thats why mogo was pushed out of the universe through the plasma wormhole that superman made.

The fact that superman could generate enough force to push mogo into another universe makes him multiversal. This is why ganthets eyes were reflecting the multiversal power, they were reflecting the plasma wormhole being created by superman.

Insane Titan
Broad is one smart guy/girl

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Board Walker
I shall explain clearly for you
Huzzah!

Billions? Where do you get this number from?? The Sinestro Corps never had billions, in mainstream DCU or Injustice. Hell, the GL Corps only has 3600 at any one time, if the SLC really DID have 'billions' of HHs in their ranks, they'd have destroyed all the other corps put together.

Secondly, how do you know they are HHs? Their power is dependent on fear. Nobody feared them, as they were no name, featless SLC members. So they had no power.



I think you're crazy. Or, you just don't know comic books as well as you think you do. Hal has created wormholes, hell, Guy Gardner has as well. And have pushed Ganthet with Parallax through them. That does not make them multiversal, does it?

Maybe you're trolling. But you obviously have no idea about comics hehe.

So, as far as this thread goes, Ganthet is a Trans, Superman w/out ring is HH, with ring he then jumps up to Low Skyfather when pumped up by everyone's fear.

Odin is comfortably a High Skyfather, and you've made a spite thread thumb up

DarkSaint85
Should say, 7200 members.

DarkOdin
so wait did they get pushed into the sun and died or just transported to another universe

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by DarkOdin
so wait did they get pushed into the sun and died or just transported to another universe

Pushed into the sun.

For some reason, Board Walker doesn't understand comics, and interprets it as a plasma wormhole.

Prof. T.C McAbe
I would say IS was about mid to high Skyfather in order to beat a high Trans like that, still even in the high Skyfather tier Odin is the top dog. That is why he wins, it isn't spite though and I can see why board walker made the argument, when you compare Thanos fight, as a high trans, with odin, and IJ Supermans fight vs mogo and Ganthet, a mid to high trans, you can make an argument that IS was higher. But well, Odin is established, so I give him the win personally but as said, an reasonable argument can be made for both.

D-Block
Odin wins

deathslash
Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Huzzah!

Billions? Where do you get this number from?? The Sinestro Corps never had billions, in mainstream DCU or Injustice. Hell, the GL Corps only has 3600 at any one time, if the SLC really DID have 'billions' of HHs in their ranks, they'd have destroyed all the other corps put together.

Secondly, how do you know they are HHs? Their power is dependent on fear. Nobody feared them, as they were no name, featless SLC members. So they had no power.



I think you're crazy. Or, you just don't know comic books as well as you think you do. Hal has created wormholes, hell, Guy Gardner has as well. And have pushed Ganthet with Parallax through them. That does not make them multiversal, does it?

Maybe you're trolling. But you obviously have no idea about comics hehe.

So, as far as this thread goes, Ganthet is a Trans, Superman w/out ring is HH, with ring he then jumps up to Low Skyfather when pumped up by everyone's fear.

Odin is comfortably a High Skyfather, and you've made a spite thread thumb up get out of this thread with your perfect logic and well though out reasoning!

Galan007
Originally posted by Board Walker
I shall explain clearly for you

Mogo incinerated billions of high heralds instantly,, this puts mogo clearly above high herald.

Superman then pushed mogo with a force greater than a universal sum, thats why mogo was pushed out of the universe through the plasma wormhole that superman made.

The fact that superman could generate enough force to push mogo into another universe makes him multiversal. This is why ganthets eyes were reflecting the multiversal power, they were reflecting the plasma wormhole being created by superman. thumb up!!!!!!

Glad we have Board Walker here to lay some knowledge down on you fools. thumb up

Board Walker
Originally posted by Galan007
thumb up!!!!!!

Glad we have Board Walker here to lay some knowledge down on you fools. thumb up

At least some of you recognize understanding when you see it

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Board Walker
At least some of you recognize understanding when you see it

thumb up I'm sorry Board Walker, I spoke too hastily. The story of Superman, being multiversal, warped my mind - I'd go as far as to say the fear of what I was reading may have tainted my understanding.

Reflassshh
Originally posted by Board Walker
I shall explain clearly for you

Mogo incinerated billions of high heralds instantly,, this puts mogo clearly above high herald.

Superman then pushed mogo with a force greater than a universal sum, thats why mogo was pushed out of the universe through the plasma wormhole that superman made.

The fact that superman could generate enough force to push mogo into another universe makes him multiversal. This is why ganthets eyes were reflecting the multiversal power, they were reflecting the plasma wormhole being created by superman. I'd say the sinestro corps were all trans or low-skyfather. Because if they were merely HHs Mogo as powerful as it is(is needed a multiversal power in order to put mogo down) wouldn't have wasted his time killing them.

carver9
Naah, all of them are Abstracts. The planet should have turned to dust with them fighting so close to it.

Reflassshh
Someone should just make a Presence vs SC Superman thread.

Im sure board walker will open the eyes of everyone there.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Naah, all of them are Abstracts. The planet should have turned to dust with them fighting so close to it.

That's how powerful they were, they were destroying the planet and remaking it so quickly nobody realised.

Nobody, that is.

Except Board Walker.

carver9
Originally posted by Reflassshh
Someone should just make a Presence vs SC Superman thread.

Im sure board walker will open the eyes of everyone there.

Lol...of course. How could you beat a being that defeated another being that had the universe glowing in his eyes? Spite thread.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's how powerful they were, they were destroying the planet and remaking it so quickly nobody realised.

Nobody, that is.

Except Board Walker.

laughing laughing out loud

carver9
Originally posted by Board Walker
I shall explain clearly for you

The fact that superman could generate enough force to push mogo into another universe makes him multiversal. This is why ganthets eyes were reflecting the multiversal power, they were reflecting the plasma wormhole being created by superman.

Look at this...the guy pushed Mogo to the other side of the Universe and Hal and Sinestro has the eyes of a tiger. They caught all of this.

Board Walker
Originally posted by carver9
Look at this...the guy pushed Mogo to the other side of the Universe and Hal and Sinestro has the eyes of a tiger. They caught all of this.

All Hal and Sinestro saw was a flaming vortex that was in effect a hole in their universe leading to another, Superman was moving beyond the highest measurement of speed. Superman didn't push Ganthet to the other side of his universe, rather he tore a hole open across the multiverse and pushed Ganthet through an infinite number of universes.

Part of the reason Ganthet saw flaming universes within his eyes as he looked upon Superman's visage is because Superman was pushing Ganthet through countless universes, and because of this they were reflecting within his eyes.

The Sinestro corps were empowered by Fear within the entire universe, that is why they were high heralds.

the Darkone
Injustice SM is no Sky Father level period, mid trans maybe to high that's it. Hell Lords, Fear Lords, Demon Lords are Sky Father level and Injustice SM is not even in their league of power

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Board Walker
All Hal and Sinestro saw was a flaming vortex that was in effect a hole in their universe leading to another, Superman was moving beyond the highest measurement of speed. Superman didn't push Ganthet to the other side of his universe, rather he tore a hole open across the multiverse and pushed Ganthet through an infinite number of universes.

Part of the reason Ganthet saw flaming universes within his eyes as he looked upon Superman's visage is because Superman was pushing Ganthet through countless universes, and because of this they were reflecting within his eyes.

The Sinestro corps were empowered by Fear within the entire universe, that is why they were high heralds.

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Galan007
BW gets it. thumb up

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