Battlezone: BEATBOKS VS PSYCHO GUNDAM

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psycho gundam
So this was inspired by the Inamalist tourney dying prematurely.
Similar rules like how it's mixed genre but it's a straight battlezone.

Um I guess it's set in a city like Manhattan or whatever

- 5 mins of prep before the fight

I think Leo is posting the OPs lol

leonidas
lol sure. post when i get home if beatboks gives me his op....

psycho gundam
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BEATBOOOOOKS. COME OUT TO PLAAAY.

BEATBOOOOOKS. COME OUT TO PLAAYAAAAY !!!

beatboks
Originally posted by psycho gundam
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BEATBOOOOOKS. COME OUT TO PLAAAY.

BEATBOOOOOKS. COME OUT TO PLAAYAAAAY !!!
Sorry just realized I sent my opener to a user called Leo not leonadis. Have hopefully fixed that. Shouldn't be too many surprises for you. At least half (if not more) of the scans in it were in the links I gave you for approval of my characters.

leonidas
Start of write up
" team into -

Team leader Terry Sloane nu52 earth 2. Sloane is a ruthlessly cold andnlogical individual. Brilliant, but with little to no restaint. If he has to destroy civillians on mass to acieve victory then that is exactly what he'll do

http://comicboxcommentary.blogspot.com.au/2012/09/bullet-review-earth-2-0.html

He has already in his limited appearances sucrifices large areas of earth 2 and the people of them in the fight against stepenwolf. Allowed his team mates to die. Been prepared to destroy Washington DC in a nuclear launch to win against solomon Grundy

Power house- Dark Nebula.
Being unequiely powered by two souls forced to occupy the same body after their death DN draws power from both. Cron thw alien warlord Cerelus he draws his psionic power. From the astronaught Mark Medula he draws the power of the darkfire. Unbeknownst to Mark he was decended from a long line of witches. This gives him powerful TP, TK, and a supernatural blast power with very few to equal.

Power enough to destroy/fry demons by the millions
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3736042-millions+of+demons+1.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3736044-millions+of+demons+3.jpg

He also destroyed an entire civilization

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3736034-trial+of+dn+2.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3736035-trial+of+dn+3.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3736037-trial+of+dn+5.jpg

My final team member is the mighty crusader Comet.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/2189812-the_comet_kills_easily_3_.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/2189813-the_comet_kils_easily_2.jpg

One thing all three members of my team have in comon. As you'll see from the scans none of them have any problem killing to achieve what they deem to be necessary. There is no length they wont go to to win.

Prep

My prep id pretty simply. My teams prep takes place in the 9th dimension base of Sloane. It was discovered bt Sloane the same way terriffic descovered it fromearth 1.

My prep will amount to Sloane getting his Mr 8 armor ( as seen in esrth 2 #0)
From their the remaining few minutes will be spent watching what we can of the potential futures one can see in the 9th dimenion. This small glimpse will allow my team to know some potential moves our adversary will make.

leonidas
psycho gundam wrote on Sep 24th, 2014 02:21 AM:
My team: Legion (Legion quest version), Kabuto (Naruto manga) and Edward Newgate aka "Whitebeard" (One piece)

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/team_zps50adbc9f.jpg

5 minutes of prep:

So first off The team will be in Kabuto's lair and then he will perform the edo tensei technique to bring forth his entire army.

Here is the summoning process in video format:

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Nagato will use his ability to kill Whitebeard so that he can be prepared for edo tensei

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/naruto-8456_zpsfd6872a6.jpg

Using the captive, Kabuto will zombify Whitebeard

Here is the process being explained in video format:

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Kabuto will place the talisman in Whitebeard and nagato will spend the remainder of the allotted time absorbing life force from all the captives.

Legion will form a mindlink between all of the assembled characters then erects his "psychic bunker"

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/legionmindlink.jpg

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/psybunker.jpg

On the battlefield:

DEFENSE

So Whitebeard will be out front. Whitebeard's powers over the 3 Haki forms allow him to react to attacks before they come his way something like Spider-sense

Haki explaination in video format:

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Observation haki is even better than Spider-sense cause it lets him know what's coming beforethe attack is launched, he's even able to react to attacks even while fast asleep:

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/one-piece-393109_zps82ffe420.jpg

With the mindlink in place now all my team can react via observation Haki and act accordingly

Nagato can repel most attacks launched their way on a small scale:

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/peinrepulsion2.png
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/peinrepulsion1.png

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/peinrepulsion4.png

BUT there is also a MASSIVE repulsion version:

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/naruto-8633_zps2e73ab2b.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/naruto-8638_zps0f510852.jpg

See Legion's psi bunker scan for him and I will get into the edos later

ATTACK

For now I will open up with Whitebeard's devastating power. A side effect is that any attack Beatbox launches will be thrown off....the map we fight on will be thrown off in of itself Whatever Beatbox can do after that point is a mystery even to him:

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LET THE HEAVENS TREMBLE


good luck gents.

beatboks
Legion is an interesting choice IMO for a BZ that you told me the limit was mid Herald for one pick and below for the rest.

No biggie, I can role with that, fortunately as I said Dark Nebula has ONE feat that defies Herald level but the rules (as I understood them) would deny it. If you break out the feats for Legion that IMO would also he'll be dealt with in short order. I can only assume you didn't look at any of the scans in the links I gave you to see if he fit the rules, unless that is you changed your team to include Legion after I gave you that (in which case fair enough)



Reaction is all well and good, but what good does it do if the attack that is coming is an AOE on a massive scale. As Shown in my opener Dark Nebula's dark Fire can destroy "millions" of IMMORTAL demons, as well as cause damage on a planetary scale. There will be no where to go to to avoid his initial attack.

That's not even taking into consideration the level of Comet's "thermonuclear / plasma blasts.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/2167007-09.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/2167008-10.jpg
He not only vaporized an oil tanker (they have the capacity to carry 550,000 tons of crude oil) but it's entire cargo AND the ensuing fireball. That's a feat of vaporizing almost 1 million tons of material. This is equivilent to destroying ALMOST three empire state buildings.

I'd love to know where your think your moving to to avoid or "react" to any attack my team makes.

Let's also not forget that each of my team have been in the 9th dimension for our 5 minutes prep. The same 9th dimension that allowed Terry Sloane to see potential futures and plan to prevent them.
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/dark%20nebula/Terry%20Sloane/Earth-2------Digital---Zone-Empire0-Page11.jpg.html

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/dark%20nebula/Terry%20Sloane/Earth-2------Digital---Zone-Empire0-Page18.jpg.html

5 minutes isn't much time to see things. Fortunately i only had one of my players doing anything and all he did was grab his existing armor. I would think that is a minute maybe two at most. That means I still had a collective 13 minutes of potential futures viewed in real time. Courtesy of a TP link from Dark Nebula all my team will be fully versed on what the others saw in that time. We will be ready for your opening salvo as well as any "reaction" you might have to it.

As for what we can "do" after your opening attack. Well frankly for the most part, a hell of a lot more than we could do before it. As you would have see in the second scan of DN destroying the civilization of Callai destroying his body simply releases his full power. the power of death itself. Thanks oddles, you just made my mane guy a mega threat. I have little doubt that legion could accomplish that his metal powers are up there but since it didn't do an overpopulated world of near Xavier psionics any good, it wont help him much either.

Destroying DN is virtually impossible. A primal force like Chaos
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/dark%20nebula/Chaosaprimalpower.jpg.html

couldn't do it, because DN had "already crossed the veil between life and death".
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/dark%20nebula/1546_8318_05B.jpg.html

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/dark%20nebula/1546_8318_03B.jpg.html

The only thing that Chaos could do was to split DN into his two halves Mark Medula and Cerellus and cast them to different points on the time line to get him out of his hair. This of course is within the pwoer of the over mid herald Legion to do, but he
1. Doesn't know that this is a requirement to deal with DN
2. Doing so will allow me to use the showing I had no intention of doing so because I saw it as a rule breaker based on the limits you stated.
3. DN came back from that and kicked his Backside.

Now my second team member is also a character who died.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4120338-the_comet-++killed++.jpg

This was a retelling of the story from the 1941 Pep comics 17 (the same one in which his Brother became the hangman to avenge his killed brother). A retelling during one of his 80's comics in which he was still alive. Alive because when he flies he is partially in energy form. This isn't to say he can't be destroyed but there is certainly no certainly that your attack will do lasting damage to him.

My third team member wont be engaging in direct battle. No he's going to find a well enough equipped lab in this city to do what he does best. 5 minutes was simply not enough time to take advantage of his genius. A genius that in Earth 2 25ish put together while brainwashed a teleporter that could move a planet through space. Genius that in issue #0 put together a mutli level blast that literally blew holes through the core of the planet earth wiping out most of the parrademon force trying to conquer it, or synthesized a type of Kryptonite that sent Earth 2 Superman mad.

No Terry is going t be elsewhere working out the killing stroke, the Coup de gras.

That's it for now

beatboks
Need to correct that. It's a 1000 tons of material (I worked it out in kilos and forgot to divide by a 1000) which is almost 3 Empire State buildings (I believe it weighs around 340/ 350 tons ). Sorry just retread and saw he error.

psycho gundam
Time to talk about HIM

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Anyway..

I actually used Legion in the tournament before so he wasn't a new addition nor illegal, the thread is even in this sub-forum *shrug*

The lightning stuff:

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/nope2_zpsdca6cee9.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/nope_zps8ff12887.jpg

Storm couldn't even get his attention with her best lightning strikes and he can protect all of my characters since his bunker was the size of something like the volume of a commercial plane hangar, not to mention with the mind-link to Whitebeard the observation haki will alert him that the attack is being launched.

About the edo tensei horde:

Right before this meteor touched down Madara said this:
(READ FROM LEFT TO RIGHT)


http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/gsghshg_zps8163243d.jpg

The meteor:

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(READ FROM LEFT TO RIGHT)

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/naruto-2752551_zpsf2c3daa5.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/naruto-2752553_zps6840dcde.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/naruto-2752557_zps497fee0e.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/naruto-2752559_zps55ab0cb9.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/naruto-2752561_zps98a36bc0.jpg

They will just regenerate from damage.

About getting rid of Dark Nebula

According to you he's indestructible, well there is even a means around even that.

Enter: Itachi

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/naruto-7914_zpsf8bb71e4.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/naruto-7915_zpsd5b5c291.jpg

Now Legion can teleport him right behind Dark Nebula and that's that.. Legion has transported Storm through Space AND even time so it's a simple act.

That tech guy and the old-timey character are inconsequential I'm afraid. You've already chose to attack with something that would make his efforts to be useful with the whole finding a lab thing in a large city a waste of time, also the sensitive equipment in said lab would be damaged. Also Whitebeard can flip Manhattan onto itself so I mean is he even alive at this point?

Either way I will send some sensor type ninjas to capture both of them, and use one of them to resurrect the other.

beatboks
What "lightning stuff"? DN doesn't use lightning he uses dark fire. It's a soul attack. Also I'd love to see a single feat of Storm making any attack on a planetary scale. I showed you DN destroying entire overpopulated world on a planetary scale, and destroying millions of immortal beings. Storm not doing jack to him isn't even in the league, let alone the ball park.


Afraid it's not. For one thing DN is a powerful TPer. He would know that Itachi is behind him. http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/dark%20nebula/1546_9820_06B.jpg.html

He's also a powerful TKer.
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/dark%20nebula/origin_page_20_copy1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=3
That's an out of control space shuttle still under thrust being TK caught and casually landed by DN. The space shuttle empty (which it wasn't) weights 82 tons. it's rockets allow it to move 17,500 miles per hour in the atmosphere (mach 22). and DN could stop one telekinetically. I'm not even going to bother doing the math as to how big a feat that is. Put simply Itachi will run that sword through himself and DN will then have it to use against you.

Now if your suggesting that Itachi will take control of DN as per the first panel, think again.
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/dark%20nebula/origin_page_13_copy1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=4
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/dark%20nebula/origin_page_14_copy1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=5
DN is two souls in the one body. Originally both vying for control. After Mark destroyed Cerellus people and elevated them to the next level of existence Cerellus became a willing part of the union. You might take over one, but not two.


REALLY, I warn you and STILL you play the time card?
Let's get this one out of the way right off the bat.
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/dark%20nebula/DNvsChaos1.jpg.html

That is what DN did to Chaos when he split him into two and expelled him through time. He pulled Chaos to where he was in time and space and then did this

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/dark%20nebula/DNvsChaos3.jpg.html

I am not for one minute saying I'm playing this card. As i said to you in pm, DN had only one showing that could potentially put him above mid herald level


As you can see i never intended to use it, and still don't. This is a pre-emptive defense only. You go that route and it's end game for you.

What I am saying is this. If you play a time manip card than I saw it courtesy of my view of potential futures in my 5 minutes prep. As Such DN enters the field and time manips Legion to have never existed. Your mind link and warning will amount to naught since the attack will have done it's damage before they were in play. That means all his part of your prep is gone and so is your protection. If that becomes the case then the rest of your team are left facing mine and even with your summons frankly either DN or Comet one shots the lot of them.

Now let's get back to playing in the ball park you led me to believe this thing was in shall we??



how would it make his efforts inconsequential?? my attack is soul based. The planet itself wasn't destroyed (DN was still standing on it at the end of his blast with everything intact). Yes his blast can have heat, and force but it doesn't have to.

As for flipping Manhattana and surviving, he created a teleporter that could move the entire planet earth in Earth 2 25. A smaller version of it is built into the armor he grabbed in prep. His whole thing is having seen futures and he can simply not be there. His armor also allowed him to survive a blast that Batman did in Earth 2 #0 that brought a mountain down on him (not without taking some damage I'll grant)

Comet has solo defeated a galactic army
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/2189814-the_comet_single_hadedly_wins_a_war_1_.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/2189815-the_comet_single_hadedly_wins_a_war_2_.jpg

see that last one, it's a "planet rending blast"

Send ninjas away, it's their death

beatboks
OK, So I did the math.

7486 m/s = Shuttles speed . 50,000m height of mesosphere (it originated higher being in orbit but no way of knowing how high that is)
t= sqrt of (s/(U+0.5a))
T = sprt of (50000/(7486+4.99))
T = sprt of (50000/ 7490.99)
T = sprt of 6.67
T = 2.58seconds
V= U +AT
v = 7486 + 9.98 x 2.58
V =7511.75 m/s
F = m x (change in velocity/ change in time)
Change in velocity is 7521.75 (in order the shuttle to be going up it had to be at least 10m/s in the other direction to counter earths 9.98 m/s downward gravity). Change in time a second
F = 82,000 kg x (7521.75x1)
F= 615963368.8 newtons
Since F= MA and to lift something you have to move it at least 10m/s that equates to a lifting force of 61596 tons

If he put's his mind to it (pun intended) no attack your launching is getting to him, or if it is it's not doing damage.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by beatboks
What "lightning stuff"? DN doesn't use lightning he uses dark fire. It's a soul attack. Also I'd love to see a single feat of Storm making any attack on a planetary scale. I showed you DN destroying entire overpopulated world on a planetary scale, and destroying millions of immortal beings. Storm not doing jack to him isn't even in the league, let alone the ball park.

Originally posted by leonidas
Power enough to destroy/fry demons by the millions
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3736042-millions+of+demons+1.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3736044-millions+of+demons+3.jpg

Also: he didn't destroy millions of Demons as much as he held them back while in Hell, and said Demons are featless so that's why it means far less that advertised. If you want to see characters going into Hell realms or some equivalent and trashing Demons we can do that. Those are dime a dozen scans.

Originally posted by beatboks
5 minutes isn't much time to see things. Fortunately i only had one of my players doing anything and all he did was grab his existing armor. I would think that is a minute maybe two at most. That means I still had a collective 13 minutes of potential futures viewed in real time. Courtesy of a TP link from Dark Nebula all my team will be fully versed on what the others saw in that time. We will be ready for your opening salvo as well as any "reaction" you might have to it. I find this part baffling cause you don't recognize how much plot makes this part of your preparation work, but there is no plot. You essentially wasted 5 minutes for something you can't utilize.

Maybe if the judges say that I win then you get up to 13 chances to re-battle me, right?

Here is a real usage of seeing what happens before it happens in battle:

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Itachi

Originally posted by beatboks
As for what we can "do" after your opening attack. Well frankly for the most part, a hell of a lot more than we could do before it. As you would have see in the second scan of DN destroying the civilization of Callai destroying his body simply releases his full power. the power of death itself. Thanks oddles, you just made my mane guy a mega threat. I have little doubt that legion could accomplish that his metal powers are up there but since it didn't do an overpopulated world of near Xavier psionics any good, it wont help him much either.

Not being destroyed, he's being sealed. Also your powerhouse character doesn't have the means to utilize his own power, he needs outside help. All my characters have means to defend anyway.

Originally posted by beatboks
Afraid it's not. For one thing DN is a powerful TPer. He would know that Itachi is behind him. http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/dark%20nebula/1546_9820_06B.jpg.html Not that that scan means very much in the "powerful TP" department, but see even if that were fast enough to detect someone teleported behind them (which that feat isn't remotely of), Legion is mindlinked to Itachi so whatever spin you take on it ends with a mental clash with him and it's a loss for you.

Also, his blade is spiritual so your defense to it is dubious and the thing about it is that blade seals it's target and puts them in an inebriated stupor. Itachi also comes clad in powerful armour with a shield "that deflects all attacks" known as the Yata mirror. AND on the off chance you beat him from your blind spot then you have a regenerating zombie that can be used over and over again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaxsPZYh-Gw#t=1631
Madara

TIme manipulation

I just worded that sentence wrong. There is never time manipulation in tournaments/battlezones cause it gets too messy. What I meant to say was that Legion's control over time/space transport is so great that he has even done so through time without training.Originally posted by beatboks
As for flipping Manhattana and surviving, he created a teleporter that could move the entire planet earth in Earth 2 25. A smaller version of it is built into the armor he grabbed in prep. His whole thing is having seen futures and he can simply not be there. His armor also allowed him to survive a blast that Batman did in Earth 2 #0 that brought a mountain down on him (not without taking some damage I'll grant) That's fine but you see you don't have the opportunity to use any of that stuff AND Manhattan is disjointed with everything destroyed by earthquake damage. That's being conservative since it's more like flipping a board game over and the pieces go flying. It's in video form so it's easier to understand (manga can sometimes be a little difficult to grasp) so I mean...

Originally posted by beatboks
Comet has solo defeated a galactic army
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/2189814-the_comet_single_hadedly_wins_a_war_1_.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/2189815-the_comet_single_hadedly_wins_a_war_2_.jpg

see that last one, it's a "planet rending blast"

Send ninjas away, it's their death And yet the planet was still there after it. That guy sucks and he can be destroyed easily

Here, I will kill them now

Okay so I have lots of zombies doing nothing.

Madara

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Nagato

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Deidara

10km blast

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psycho gundam
Madara continued

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Spores that put those who inhale them to sleep

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Creates 25 clones of himself, and yes he does have them use their armour

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/640px-Gokage_vs_25_Susanoo_zps03b17b91.png

kakuzu

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Ginkaku & Kinkaku

Both of whom can transform into these

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kin-jin.png

...and launch these..

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Whitebeard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zgsM968eaI#t=139

beatboks
Originally posted by psycho gundam
Also: he didn't destroy millions of Demons as much as he held them back while in Hell, and said Demons are featless so that's why it means far less that advertised. If you want to see characters going into Hell realms or some equivalent and trashing Demons we can do that. Those are dime a dozen scans.

"Some take longer to burn than others". That's being destroyed mate not "held back". Also featless or not, they are immortal- it's the nature of a demon and none of your team are


Originally posted by psycho gundam
I find this part baffling cause you don't recognize how much plot makes this part of your preparation work, but there is no plot. You essentially wasted 5 minutes for something you can't utilize.
Then let me break it down for you. By seeing the future (just as you clip) you get to see one thing play out. By seeing alternate versions I get to see how things change because I was ready for it and acted accordingly. The plot as you call it is how you play your game. We are the story tellers of this plot and the actions you say your taking as part of the battle are what I see. I'm not saying I see the whole battle but I do see the first few (2 to 3)minutes both of your action and the changes that my reactions because I know about it will make to that. You example of a future view requires it to then see each new future as it's changed during the battle. DN and Comet will each see say 3 minutes of your intial assault. They will then see 2 minutes worth of the changes that are the result of it not working because we were prepared for it and had a counter ready to enact. Since Terry isn't actually engaging he seesa minute of what might come after him (allowing him to avoid) and then a minute each of his team mates altered changes. The mind link means DN and Comet are ready for 3 minutes of two time lines.

Consider that a waste if you want but it essentially it insures that your on the back foot for the first few minutes of the battle gaining no headway.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Not being destroyed, he's being sealed. Also your powerhouse character doesn't have the means to utilize his own power, he needs outside help. All my characters have means to defend anyway.

What outside help?? there is's a single scan i've used of him using anything but his own power. Unless your your referring to seeing the essence/being of Cerellus. Cerllus is one of the two beings who make up DN. If i'd chosen Firestorm would Martain Stein be "outside help"?? Originally Cerllus fought mark for control the entity but always lost. During the battle with Chaos they formed a truce. After mark destroyed Cerellus' people raising them to a new level of being cerellus became a willing union (meaning his full power was always at his disposal. Sorry dude but DN actually has access to every bit of power I've shown all along.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Not that that scan means very much in the "powerful TP" department, but see even if that were fast enough to detect someone teleported behind them (which that feat isn't remotely of), Legion is mindlinked to Itachi so whatever spin you take on it ends with a mental clash with him and it's a loss for you.



I already gave scans that showed the "power" level. In my opener when i showed him destroying Cerellus people he had up defenses against their entire race of psionics. A race that was so overpopulated it had raped it's home planet of resources, had sought out and conquered others and raped them. the whole reason Mark and Celrellus fought to begin with was that Cerellus was preparing an assault on earth to be his peoples next source of resources for the next few years.

He eventually succumbed to their onslaught (surprise surprise) but he held for a while. he ahs also traced a person psionically across the planet, as well as detected a callai space craft enter our solar system and track it to it's location on earth when landed (I'll find the scans tomorrow)

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Also, his blade is spiritual so your defense to it is dubious and the thing about it is that blade seals it's target and puts them in an inebriated stupor. Itachi also comes clad in powerful armor with a shield "that deflects all attacks" known as the Yata mirror. AND on the off chance you beat him from your blind spot then you have a regenerating zombie that can be used over and over again.
So your big plan is to use a soul based weapon against a soul based energy manipulator that i have shown to manipulate said energy on a planetary scale. Yeah I really see that working out well for you. It's still used as a sword and to wield it you have to use a physical action which wont be possible with DN's TK and he can simply blast and affect the sword anyway.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
I just worded that sentence wrong. There is never time manipulation in tournaments/battlezones cause it gets too messy. What I meant to say was that Legion's control over time/space transport is so great that he has even done so through time without training.
Glad to hear it, I have no problem debating that way but based on the link you gave me thought that was out of bounds. Also as I said in my PM that is the one aspect of DN that might make him high herald (though with characters like pre 52 Captain atom able to do similar probably not). As you can see with no training what so ever DN can do the same, so really no advantage.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
That's fine but you see you don't have the opportunity to use any of that stuff AND Manhattan is disjointed with everything destroyed by earthquake damage. That's being conservative since it's more like flipping a board game over and the pieces go flying. It's in video form so it's easier to understand (manga can sometimes be a little difficult to grasp) so I mean.. That's fine but you see you don't have the opportunity to use any of that stuff AND Manhattan is disjointed with everything destroyed by earthquake damage. That's being conservative since it's more like flipping a board game over and the pieces go flying. It's in video form so it's easier to understand (manga can sometimes be a little difficult to grasp) so I mean..
Dude Manhattan still has wire, copper, metals etc. Terry has his armor with all the tech he needs. Including teleporters, thrusters for flight, weapons etc. The guy made a bomb that blew holes straight through the core of earth in 5 places and took out an entire army of parademons with sweet f all prep.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
And yet the planet was still there after it. That guy sucks and he can be destroyed easily

Yeah because it was aimed at the planet wasn't it. Oh no, that's right it was aimed at MLJ comics equivalent of Ultron and it blew the F out of him. It was aimed at a robot that could solo the Altoxian fleet, an advanced civilization that could teleport Comet from earth light years to their world to help them.

As for the rest, clearly you've run out of arguments so it's scan dump time. I'd offer more rebuttal but you really didn't actually give me anything to have to. Most of your counter is based on false assumptions taking individual scans already offered in isolation without considering the rest of the material that supports.

psycho gundam
LOL

There are like maybe 2 of your points that are backed up by an appropriate scan at best, and those things are covered by more than one countermeasure.

Like lets look at one hilarious example of this:
Originally posted by beatboks
Afraid it's not. For one thing DN is a powerful TPer. He would know that Itachi is behind him. http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/dark%20nebula/1546_9820_06B.jpg.html How is this remotely indicative of that? It's just some stuff about memories.....

Itachi can even outperform that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdqORGcyBCk#t=497

Not to mention Legion himself who's oneshotted professor Xavier with a Psylocke-esqe psychic knife.

Legion actually has Tp/TK feats worth something. Just this sequence alone shows a lot of mundane acts including what makes "DN a powerful TPer":

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/mindattacks1_zps000261d0.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/mindattacks2_zps88154dff.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/mindattacks3_zps9d8518f7.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/mindattacks4_zps5f50ec93.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/mindattacks5_zps06282faa.jpg

Freezes forge mentally, destroys her gun's electronics casually, reads her mind while levitating her , takes her into his mindscape, mindrapes her all the while shielded by a forcefield then casually teleports a whole x-team with the point of a finger

Originally posted by beatboks
"Some take longer to burn than others". That's being destroyed mate not "held back". Also featless or not, they are immortal- it's the nature of a demon and none of your team are projecting.

Here, have another example of rejuvenating zombies:

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/rejuv-1.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/rejuve2-1.jpg

In video format in case there is farther confusion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvpLubW2WD8#t=57

beatboks
I was getting to that
psionic power.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4132114-psionically+holds+deceased+soul+to+life.jpg
Holding a deceased soul to its body is something any no power psionic can do right??

How do you think one shotting Xavier stacks up against withstanding teh psi attack of 20 billion psionics??? I'm guestimating here since they could rape so many worlds in such a short time. I mean our meager 7+ billion has raped earth of everything after how many centuries??? Obviously it hasn't always been that many.
Here is a couple of issues prior to the "no value scan"
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4132111-caileuan+ship+deep+space.jpg
Space ship light years away. I can't at this moment find the issue after (along with 6 other issues) where mark detects it passing Saturn or so, but here is a couple of pages later. he quite clearly has no problem tracking it down on our little mud ball.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4132110-cailaeun+shiop+tracked.jpg
Yeah you'll have no worries sneaking up on him. I mean your further away than saturn mounting this attack aren't you?? even if your not, he could track the ship from across country ( wee a few miles from the city anyway, he was at a military base. He also told them in my scan that was "not indicative of TP power" that Cerellus's freinds were coming. He must have just guessed heh?? bloody accurate guess.

But heh, that's alright I'm sure your attacking from Uranus right?? Let's just forget about the fact that I've already seen you port behind me in my glimpse of the future during prep.

I already posted one scan of DN's oriigin but here I hope is a clearer one.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4132112-d+n+origin.jpg
Quite clearly states in the scan that
"so we were both granted rebirth in my body with a 12 month option on dominant personality". A battle Mark usually but not always won. Proof that the two are one being.


Here is both the proof of the overpopulation of Callei and Cerllus no longer fighting for control, leaving mark his full power unfettered any longer.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4132115-trial+of+dn+7.jpg

I've already shown most of the rest. It was quite clear that Coet only aimed his full blast at Gorgon. It was also quite clear that he had to give it everything he had (even more than he gave to vaporize a 350 ton tanker with 550 tons of cargo AND the fireball and cloud from it.

We've seen Terry Sloane know what was going to happen for years to come on earth two and act to prevent it (not to mention he has months ago alluded to events now showing obvious)

Yeah no proof at all of what I'm talking about.

The only one who will still be standing after DN's opening salvo is Legion. he then faces my entire team. Admittedly against him only DN and Comet (who would likely die but still do damage - he can certainly take anyone else on your team) will be able to fight him. Then again Terry is proving to be able to go up against some major powers (with none of his own). But after all we were supposed to have one street leveler.

psycho gundam
That's it?

Xavier was having mind sex with Lilandra from another galaxy


http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/th_xl1_zps9c3b859b.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/th_xl2_zpse5d9a017.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/th_xl3_zps444c3b95.jpg

.....and Legion as an untrained child was able to kick him out of his mind while he was in a catatonic state AND gives Magneto a nightmare then tosses him and his bed out of a window while he was thousands of miles away:
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/th_lvx1_zps60ca0933.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/lvx2_zps180bd7bc.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/th_lvx3_zps0f2f70ba.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/th_lvx4_zps331577ea.jpg

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/lyj_zpsdbe185c7.jpg

They have another mental fight soon after and Xavier treats him as the most powerful villain he's ever faced

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/jk_zpsd55378a7.jpg

Completely untrained and in a catatonic state. the Legion I have now is post-catatonia and has his fractured mind made whole by the Shadow king.

Since he's mind-linked to my characters, any effort to read their mind means you get shut out by a far better telepath.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by beatboks
I was getting to that
psionic power.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4132114-psionically+holds+deceased+soul+to+life.jpg
Holding a deceased soul to its body is something any no power psionic can do right?? Legion EATS people's minds for breakfast.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by beatboks
He's also a powerful TKer.
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/dark%20nebula/origin_page_20_copy1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=3
That's an out of control space shuttle still under thrust being TK caught and casually landed by DN. Legion has a similar feat, now it wasn't a shuttle coming in hot but he was within his psy-bunker and did casually take control of the ship, project a mental image in all of the x-men's minds, teleport the occupants out of the failing aircraft and "parked it" somewhere off scene via teleportation most likely, all without seeing them visually

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/th_bb2_zpse7b4767c.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/th_hdh_zps2cc9f244.jpg

Originally posted by beatboks
Put simply Itachi will run that sword through himself and DN will then have it to use against you.

Impossible.

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/fsbh_zps42bd3b47.jpg

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/10_zps1f8baac2.jpg

Legion destroys your team alone no expression

beatboks
Originally posted by psycho gundam
That's it?

Xavier was having mind sex with Lilandra from another galaxy


http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/th_xl1_zps9c3b859b.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/th_xl2_zpse5d9a017.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/th_xl3_zps444c3b95.jpg

So lets get this straight, your comparing an active PSI feat to a passive one?? Using TP to actively engage a mind naturally has greater range and strength that perceiving something without even trying ( space craft entering solar system)

No remember, you brought Xavier into this, so you dug your own hole.
When Xavier wants to find a single mutant, how does he? He hooks himself up to Cerebro right? To do what i just showed DN doing without a problem he has to hook himself up to a machine that is so bloody big it needs a room in a mansion to house it.

Positive proof Dark Nebula >>>>>>> Xavier in TP.



Ha ha,
1. Where do I say I'm "telelpathically reading" any bloody thing. I said TP sense. If a being has thoughts they are detectable by any telepath without being read. DN would Sense the presence of your man behind him. He doesn't need to since he's already seen it happen before you did it in pre, but on the off chance it happens more than 3 minutes into the battle he'll still be aware of it.

2. What a freaking non feat for Legion. Your first scan (I understand why you sized it so small - hoping judges would only look at the large one and take it at face value) clearly shows Xavier "suspects he will need his Psionic might" just before he encounters the Psi-wall David has. So when "all his might is focused on breaching David's PSI wall what defense does he have??? Very bloody little. In short it's a feat no greater pushing any nobodies mind around since there is nothing left for defense.

similar in type only the magnitude is vastly less and based on teh second page possibly incredibly vastly less. His statement that he "parked it" sounds like he simply took control of the stick which would be like a few pound TK feat and may be why they "lost control".

Why may I ask, you have shown absolutely nothing that would indicate that he can wield this sword with a force capable of moving 61596 tons. I made that statement after referencing and quantifying the strength of DN's TK. I assume based on the above statemnt you made the false assumption that I'm TK possessing your (which I never once mentioned).

Your argument is probably going to be that David will TK re-inforce his actions. My question is this, if he does how can he also maintain shields for the bunker that will prevent DN's darkfire and Comets thermonuclear gaze from simply taking him out of the game. Holding this line costs you your most valuable player and leaves everyone else defenseless.

I like how you keep throwing up the hyperbole of 10 times his father in PSI his father is. All meaningless of course since we've just shown DN is vastly greater than his father too since he can do without effort what Xavier needs Cerebro for
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070326030258/marveldatabase/images/8/81/CerebroUncannyXmen7.JPG
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100702165706/marveldatabase/images/5/57/Stryker_file_of_X-Mansion%27s_Cerebro.jpg
Massive device isn't it? And Charles has used it to amp his power SOOOO many times
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8lQdcSFA72M/UnEwpeE23MI/AAAAAAAASVE/XLZKkYzUtlk/s1600/barrier.jpg

to recap so far.
1. You've not offered an effective counter for my initial onslaught of dark fire. Your "impenetrable bunker" has nothing to prove it can withstand a planetary level attack because it's never faced one. It's also never faced a soul based attack. Sorry dude, human nukes just don't cut it they aren't even continental and neither is any attack you've shown on it.
2. Any Attempt by Legion to assist any member of your team achieving a tertiary goal, diverts his focus from the bunker and will likely cost you him. Since most of your attacks and counters rely on him (port Itachi behind Nebula, protect Itachi from DN's TK, etc etc) to proceed with any pretty much ensures he falls and leaves your team to face mine without him. Since the defense of this bunker is already dubious at best against the level of threat it faces not a good stance to take.
3. Your attempt to flank just simply fails. Every member of my team will be aware of this being your choice of action before you even enter battle and will be able to deal.
4. Even if that flanking isn't one of the things we saw in advance you can only achieve it if your so far out of range for it not to matter (because DN's TP rang vastly exceeds that of a sword soul based or not.
5. There is also the highly dubious nature of your prep. You only have 5 minutes and some of the vids you loaded as examples show a few minutes each for each feat. Honestly I have my doubts you can even achieve that much in the allotted time frame. By my estimation your overall prep takes more like 7 minutes for some characters and others can't do what you want until your team mates have. You'll notice I really haven't committed to much at all because we have so little time.

None of your attacks have thus far succeeded and you've actually not offered a viable counter to some of mine. Your prep is questionable within the time frame. Considering I'm only using two of my team of three to engage you and you summoned how many minions? that is quite astounding.

psycho gundam
Lmao

So that one feat that you admit is missing pages of information is not only better than Charles Xavier but equal or better than someone TEN TIMES his superior? How the fck can you be so bold, you are aware of their on-panel careers, right? This Cerullas guy is already half the makeup of Dark nebula according to you and his origin so them being able to remain in psychic rapport (citation needed) doesn't really mean very much.

Also:

http://i60.tinypic.com/nnwev9.jpg

this happened in the OP:

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/et2.png

http://i60.tinypic.com/2usy69k.jpg

They're minds are "altered in a way" Dark nebula will be "unfamiliar with" not to mention Legion is lurking in there.
Originally posted by beatboks

to recap so far.
1. You've not offered an effective counter for my initial onslaught of dark fire. Your "impenetrable bunker" has nothing to prove it can withstand a planetary level attack because it's never faced one. It's also never faced a soul based attack. Sorry dude, human nukes just don't cut it they aren't even continental and neither is any attack you've shown on it.
2. Any Attempt by Legion to assist any member of your team achieving a tertiary goal, diverts his focus from the bunker and will likely cost you him. Since most of your attacks and counters rely on him (port Itachi behind Nebula, protect Itachi from DN's TK, etc etc) to proceed with any pretty much ensures he falls and leaves your team to face mine without him. Since the defense of this bunker is already dubious at best against the level of threat it faces not a good stance to take.
3. Your attempt to flank just simply fails. Every member of my team will be aware of this being your choice of action before you even enter battle and will be able to deal.
4. Even if that flanking isn't one of the things we saw in advance you can only achieve it if your so far out of range for it not to matter (because DN's TP rang vastly exceeds that of a sword soul based or not.
5. There is also the highly dubious nature of your prep. You only have 5 minutes and some of the vids you loaded as examples show a few minutes each for each feat. Honestly I have my doubts you can even achieve that much in the allotted time frame. By my estimation your overall prep takes more like 7 minutes for some characters and others can't do what you want until your team mates have. You'll notice I really haven't committed to much at all because we have so little time.

None of your attacks have thus far succeeded and you've actually not offered a viable counter to some of mine. Your prep is questionable within the time frame. Considering I'm only using two of my team of three to engage you and you summoned how many minions? that is quite astounding.

Holy there is sooo much spin doctoring here to devalue things I've posted in VIDEO form.

You're questioning how much time my prep takes when there is literally a video of it taking place that's shorter than the allotted time, and you actually have your characters in your own prep break the time allowed yourself?

I have to address this stuff in pieces


Originally posted by beatboks

to recap so far.
1. You've not offered an effective counter for my initial onslaught of dark fire. Your "impenetrable bunker" has nothing to prove it can withstand a planetary level attack because it's never faced one. It's also never faced a soul based attack. Sorry dude, human nukes just don't cut it they aren't even continental and neither is any attack you've shown on it. Your "bio-electric lightning" storm isn't supported in any way to say it's anything beyond terrestrial lightning. The demons it were used on are featless in your own words, and Legion has casually taken Storm's best lighting blasts without any effort and I put up actual scans of him multitasking his powers without effort including shielding and attacking. His psychic bunker was passive and he caught the Blackbird while within it as well as teleporting the entire x-men gold team.

Originally posted by beatboks
3. Your attempt to flank just simply fails. Every member of my team will be aware of this being your choice of action before you even enter battle and will be able to deal.
4. Even if that flanking isn't one of the things we saw in advance you can only achieve it if your so far out of range for it not to matter (because DN's TP rang vastly exceeds that of a sword soul based or not. If I take that at face value you haven't shown any way you can stop anything. 1 of your characters is absolutely useless and the other is just a guy using eye beams on regenerating zombies attacking him en masse

beatboks
I think we will have to call this soon. This is starting to feel like taking candy from a baby.


Dude I don't for a second believe that DN is overall more powerful than Xavier or Legion. the fact is that in the way I've actually employed his TP (the ONLY 3 ways I'm using it) ) he is and has been proven by the evidence I've already given, and you've now enforced for me more that adequate to the task.

1. DN has passively detected the presence of minds "foreign to him" from half a solar system away. Xavier can't locate a single Mutant in his own city actively without the help of technology. Cropping a panel out of my scan that is of a Callien warrior (not Dark nebula) picking up Cerellus' TP message(Cerllus being half of DN and the half that gives him his psionic abilities) from light years away actually AIDS my cause. Thanks - but i really didn't need the assist. This actually lends to the second thing I'm using TP for.

2. DN has psionically defended himself from a psionic attack of over 10 billion psionics simultaneously assaulting him who were at the level that they could detect and send TP messages light years (as you've just proven on my behalf by dropping and highlighting the text). The 10 billion is a conservative figure sine their race has has become so overpopulated they require multiple colonies to support them.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4136311-caileu+overpopulated.jpg

Since Earth currently supports almost 7 billion people the need of even two colonies implies at least 21

3. The only other use of DN's TP is a mind link during prep to allow all three to see what the others do.

So let's assume for the sake of argument that each Callean is 1/10 the psionic of Charles and 1/100 that of legion. The fact that DN shielded himself from 10 billion of them That would make his defensive capacity capable of handling 10 million Legion PSI assaults.

Let's be extremely generous and say that a single Callean is 1/1000 that of charles and 1/100000 that of legion. In that instance it would only take an attack of 10 times Legion to match what DN withstood in the scans in my OP. He fell of course in that scan but not before invoking his full power heritage and unleashing the full power of the dark fire.


In what way have I broken the prep time allowed. I stated that DN and Comet each see 5 minutes worth of alternate futures and Terry only sees 3 (because it would I assume take 2 minutes to put on his armor. Not that he can't be watching while he's doing it. 5+5+3 =13 minutes As I said a total of 13 minutes viewed.

Conversly your first video (that goes for 4 minutes) brings back a total of 8 warriors Of that video he only used 3 minutes actually summoning. However you referred to bring back an "entire army" if it takes a minute or so to bring back 4 or 5 I'd guess an army takes a LOT longer. Your first video alone questions the prep time if your bring back more than a dozen (which is certainly a far cry from an army, squadron maybe even unit- BUT NO ARMY). Baring is mind that Nagato can't "use his ability to kill Whitebeard so that he can be prepared for edo tensei" until he is somoned (he wasn't one of your three characters), Kabuto still has to zombify Whitebread (amazing how that vid is now removed, did the 3 minutes plus the 4 come to 7 like i said??), and Legion has to also have time to mind link them all after summoning.

So Nabuto was doing 7 minutes worth of stuff and the rest of the stuff your team does can't happen until he's done. Hence why I question it???
I 'm guessing you took this prep from something you prepared for the tourney and forgot the changes you made to our rules. As I recall the the concept behind the tourney was an extra 5 minutes prep on top of the standard 5 for every character you picked that was unique. When I questioned you on if that gave me 20 minutes because of having three unknowns you said lets stick to the standard 5.


Interesting also in this that you say it is just like Manhattan but unpopulated yet told me I'd have no resources for Terry to use. Shifting the bar much???

The whole reason I picked Terry was to make really good use of that 20 minutes of prep. The whole reason I'm not using him much is because you said change it to only 5. Not that it appears I need him.


The fact that it's called bioelectricity is all I need to tp prove it's not "terrestrial lightning.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/65834/bioelectricity
It's electricty within cells, which isn't what terrestrial lightning is. He burned them up with their own cells from within.
Oh let's also forget the scan that shows his power is drawn from souls.
Let's forget that the same power destroyed an entire race of overpopulated Psionics who aren't featless.
Let's forget that the same power pulled a primal entity (Chaos) from where he was to DN and then warped time and space around him.

Yeah no proof at all, because Storm can do all those things with terrestrial lightning can't she? Come on dude that is just pathetic. It's not even an argument. DN has two powers.

The Psionic power given him by the Cerellus half of him.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4136309-1546_3340_04b.jpg

and the dark fire of Mark Medula's heritage being descended from witches (something he discovered when Chaos sent him back to the salem witch hunts)
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4136329-ancestors+witches.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4136328-absorbing+dark+fire.jpg
The second one shows Mark absorbing the darkfire back. When he arrived in the past he was depowered. this was rectified when he absorbed his ancestors blast and the ancestor was depowered instead.

We're going around in cirles so I'm going to streamline my "plot". You said a couple of posts ago that my viewing the furure relies on plot, so here is mine.

beatboks
as the last post was getting over character limit. here is the end of it



Plot 1
Let's assume for the sake of argument that your bunker is actually strong enough to withstand Marks Darkfire assault. Not that you've proven it but I'm being lenient. In my prep i saw that this was the case. During this prep my team were also mind linked and Terry Sloane (the genius) saw this from Mark's past.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4136310-1546_9821_05b.jpg
Southern Cross is a vastly weaker Tker than Dark nebula (I can throw up the scans where SC refers to DN "having that much power" if required, but lets face it, it showed here that SC wasn't even testing DN. SC however was a TKer who always used Suptlety to achieve what sheer power could not. he got hold of the frequency of Marks TK and caused a feed back that put Mark down. It hurt SC as well but he recovered much quicker. I can also show the scans where DN fought along side SC using similar techniques on the frequency of other things.

So my team knows that (and this is a very BIG IF) a TK shield stops DN's darkfire assault and alters attack. Instead just as shown here DN locks onto the frequency of Legion's TK and causes a feedback loop that puts him down. Southern Cross who ahsn't a single feat even close to 100 tons can do that to a TKer with feats in the 60,000 ton range. The difference between Legion and DN in TK isn't that great (please notice I said TK not TP).

Your bunker is down, your porting behind DN is also. No bunker to protect you now so even Comet's blasts are ripping your entire team to shreds. Once DN recovers (as he will faster than Legion due to the fact that he has already experienced this type of thing on the receiving and and the feedback to the attacker isn't as great) he cuts loose with Dark Fire 9defined in my scans as the power of death itself) and obliterates your team once and for all.


/thread game over.
Ready for votes when you are. Call on what ever judges you decided on. In the interests of fairness, I'll point out that i did ask Leo and Digi in pm a question and as such may have made them aware of things that I didn't discuss in debate. Not that I think for a moment either of them would ever pass judgement on anything other than what was said IN THREAD, thought you should know before deciding on judges (if you haven't already)

psycho gundam
I'm going to post tomorrow or some time late tonight

Friday takes precedence

beatboks
Originally posted by psycho gundam
I'm going to post tomorrow or some time late tonight

Friday takes precedence

Cool, Before you do I need to make a correction. On one thing you were correct that I said you weren't.

In going through old issues to gather scans both for this and two other tourney's I'm using DN I found these three referances to his battle with the people of Cailea
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4137007-1+cerellus+shown+cailea+destroyeds.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3736037-trial+of+dn+5.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3681260-scan0001.jpg
Each one referred to the total destruction of the planet, which wasn't how I remembered it as I remembered mark still standing in the arena he was attacked in at the end. I went back to the issue and
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4137011-trial+of+dn+6.jpg
Said arena was pretty much in ruins.

So obviously if I attack with darkfire straight up, full out there wont be much of "Manhatan" left for Terry to find resources in as you said.

I honestly miss-remembered it as less than that.

psycho gundam
^ I was definitely going to get to that. A few other things need to be cleared up as well.

Originally posted by beatboks
1. DN has passively detected the presence of minds "foreign to him" from half a solar system away. Xavier can't locate a single Mutant in his own city actively without the help of technology. Not even the point since he had a mindlink with lilandra and they were able to meet. The place Earth sits in one of the spiral arms of the milky way galaxy to the outer rim of the galaxy is a lot farther than the distance Dark nebula and Cerullas' mindlink was and then you add the fact that the Shi'ar galaxy is way farther out in space than that.

You're comparing unlike things which actually take more effort to do.

Originally posted by beatboks
2. DN has psionically defended himself from a psionic attack of over 10 billion psionics simultaneously assaulting him who were at the level that they could detect and send TP messages light years (as you've just proven on my behalf by dropping and highlighting the text). The 10 billion is a conservative figure sine their race has has become so overpopulated they require multiple colonies to support them.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4136311-caileu+overpopulated.jpg

Since Earth currently supports almost 7 billion people the need of even two colonies implies at least 21

3. The only other use of DN's TP is a mind link during prep to allow all three to see what the others do.

So let's assume for the sake of argument that each Callean is 1/10 the psionic of Charles and 1/100 that of legion. The fact that DN shielded himself from 10 billion of them That would make his defensive capacity capable of handling 10 million Legion PSI assaults.

Let's be extremely generous and say that a single Callean is 1/1000 that of charles and 1/100000 that of legion. In that instance it would only take an attack of 10 times Legion to match what DN withstood in the scans in my OP. He fell of course in that scan but not before invoking his full power heritage and unleashing the full power of the dark fire. Settle down.That entire population didn't attack him all at once in that arena. It's capacity is probably 30,000 and they shattered his mental defenses and all he had left was to invoke his entire power that spread across the planet from the stadium and burned their bodies. Now you really don't know how many it would take to do what they achieved, maybe half that number or less, all you know is that he was completely consumed.

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/th_dome_zps9f8fda85.jpg

You can even see that people even had time to run out of the stadium before the city was engulfed by the dark fire. Legion has ample time to reinforce his shielding and I posted him in like 3 different shields.

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/trhjj_zpsa6639550.jpg

And the planet itself was fine, though things were leveled

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/th_dome2_zps71d3c4f0.jpg

But all those characters weren't killed, simply free of their physical bodies

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/th_dome3_zps6d466532.jpg

That's the FULL POWER of Dark nebula unfettered.

But Beatboks said this on another forum:

"It looks like a planet busting feat The pertinent Context here is as follows.

DN was locked in Psionic battle with the entire race all over the planet in Question ( well he was being assaulted by them any way)
He was almost destroyed in fact it said his body had been consumed so this a pure energy version of him, which we never saw before of after.
He was VERY desperate and fighting for not just his but the survival of everything he held dear even his wife and child.
All this combined make it a feat almost impossible to reproduce ( well the odds are astronomical anyway)" - Beatboks1

Nobody is even attacking Dark nebula out right, well aside from Itachi and the sword of sealing that is. here's a character sneaking up on Dark nebula from behind

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/th_dingo1_zps3370dafd.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/th_dingo2_zpsf294186f.jpg


Legion's dome will be fine and all the characters within it

psycho gundam
Originally posted by beatboks
Plot 1
Let's assume for the sake of argument that your bunker is actually strong enough to withstand Marks Darkfire assault. Not that you've proven it but I'm being lenient. In my prep i saw that this was the case. During this prep my team were also mind linked and Terry Sloane (the genius) saw this from Mark's past.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4136310-1546_9821_05b.jpg
Southern Cross is a vastly weaker Tker than Dark nebula (I can throw up the scans where SC refers to DN "having that much power" if required, but lets face it, it showed here that SC wasn't even testing DN. SC however was a TKer who always used Suptlety to achieve what sheer power could not. he got hold of the frequency of Marks TK and caused a feed back that put Mark down. It hurt SC as well but he recovered much quicker. I can also show the scans where DN fought along side SC using similar techniques on the frequency of other things.

So my team knows that (and this is a very BIG IF) a TK shield stops DN's darkfire assault and alters attack. Instead just as shown here DN locks onto the frequency of Legion's TK and causes a feedback loop that puts him down. Southern Cross who ahsn't a single feat even close to 100 tons can do that to a TKer with feats in the 60,000 ton range. The difference between Legion and DN in TK isn't that great (please notice I said TK not TP). You can't use feats of completely separate characters as if they were your own, especially if they were used against your own characters lmao

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/sc1_zps89277c76.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/sc2_zps8873812d.jpg

You can't have that feat as part of your repertoire.

The missing videos and the questioning of my prep

Videos on Youtube get taken down all the time especially stuff with anime in them. I think the jump in views may have made those videos get taken down or something as more than one of the ones I found for this battlezone were deleted.

Also Kabuto already had those zombies prepared so the only one my prep time would be needed for would be for Whitebeard.

He has more that I haven't even talked about but they are on the field:

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Whitebeard as a zombie wasn't standard for him to have so I used the preparation time to incorporate him into the team and I assure you it takes less than 5 minutes to do. It takes like a minute:
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/th_et1.png http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/th_et2.png

And then he and all the others like him will revive from any and all damage infinitely.

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/gsghshg_zps8163243d.jpg

psycho gundam
I missed the last part of that sequence.

After the population were in psychic form they teleported Dark nebula to Earth

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/th_dome4_zpsef4db77a.jpg

Legion can also teleport others freely

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/th_mindattacks5_zps06282faa.jpg

Teleports them to Mandripoor which is a nation on the far side of Asia, so they were casually teleported from the Palestinian desert thousands of miles away.

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/th_fdg_zps5874a977.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/th_grsg_zps63be30b2.jpg

Originally posted by beatboks
similar in type only the magnitude is vastly less and based on teh second page possibly incredibly vastly less. His statement that he "parked it" sounds like he simply took control of the stick which would be like a few pound TK feat and may be why they "lost control".

Yeah right. Notice how the X-men were INSIDE the Blackbird and then spontaneously the Backbird vanished when Legion "parked it". Storm didn't even get to finish her sentance.

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/bb2_zpse7b4767c.jpg

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/hdh_zps2cc9f244.jpg

psycho gundam
One more thing about Legion's shielding

This was before he was made complete by Shadow king (even talking of Jack Wayne's personality in his body), he Can even create individual shields for lots of characters against the power of Proteus

Legion was at his weakest and untrained when he did this:

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/shields1_zpsacd51a6f.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/shields2_zps4567073d.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/shields3_zps9f4edacc.jpg

Moirra McTaggart cannot kill Legion (just in case there is further confusion.....)

psycho gundam
Originally posted by leonidas
He also destroyed an entire civilization

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3736034-trial+of+dn+2.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3736035-trial+of+dn+3.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3736037-trial+of+dn+5.jpg One more thing about the infamous trial of Dark nebula. The entire populace of the arena didn't attack him en masse, it was those people in the panels

The same dude and his constitutes are in each panel there is concerning the attack on Dark nebula, nobody else got panel time:

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/1_zps731e1e95.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/2_zps036e70d9.jpghttp://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/3_zpsb2eec309.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/4_zps77231938.jpg

Not a coincidence at all.

They were the ones attacking him, not the entirety of those attending the trial. Dark nebula "killed" them all but they took him to his limits first, and like in the scene with the rubble surrounding him he's left completely bewildered and open to attack.

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/th_dome2_zps71d3c4f0.jpg

Add that to him getting owned by a guy whose Originally posted by beatboks
Southern Cross is a vastly weaker Tker than Dark nebula , it looks pretty bad in the mental department:

Originally posted by psycho gundam
You can't use feats of completely separate characters as if they were your own, especially if they were used against your own characters lmao

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/sc1_zps89277c76.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/sc2_zps8873812d.jpg

You can't have that feat as part of your repertoire.

beatboks
You brought up some interesting points that i will address. maybe we have one last post each and them PM a summary to Leo (if your agreeable)



In the scan you cropped a panel of (first image of yours and first post this page) it was shown that Cerellus comrads had received a TP message from him all the way from the beta centuri star system and then travelled to where the message was. The feat is quite compatible to the one your using of Xaviers.


That was sort of my point. I'm not trying to use active TP only passive. Simply receiving the thought transmissions that are naturally coming form people. Not trying to read minds, or control or any thing else. Passive TP obviously takes less effort.


I'll cover this point and your other point of Trial of Dark nebula together.

I originally thought the exact same thing about the trial re the planets destruction. however as you can clearly see in each of the retelling
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4139924-cailea+destroyed.jpg

There are bits of planet flying everywhere. The second panel is actually from the issue Trial of DN itself which at the time for some reason I overlooked. The planet was clearly spit us-sunder by his attack. This was a prophesy of the Cailean people. It was also a future shown to cerellus by Marks descendant from the far future (where the first panel of the three comes from).

The mere thought that the Cailean people would not give there everything to destroy the being they believe to be their final bringer of death confirmed by a future one of their own most respected members has seen is laughable at best.

Of course the entire population didn't fit in the arena, but they did attack him. Or are you suggesting that a ace that has conquered other planets would hold back attack capability against someone they know and believe can destroy them. trying to label images as a character from a race that are all alike in appearance is a bit of a joke to sell a point. Every male looks very much like Cerellus (almost every character in each panel that you didn't number looks very similar to those you did) and every female very much the same too.


Obviously you missed the line by Cerellus in the last panel. "what is the spirit but the Spark that motivates the flesh" In other words the same energy that his race has now been risen to. He pretty clearly stated that being dead was the same as his fellow Caileans now were.

Correct but there is a distinction between the two forums. On CV battles are always treated as being in character. If a character has an ability to do something but because of some stupid plot reason doesn't then they don't. On KMC we always assume that every character makes full use of their powers to the best of their abilities (at least that is what users tell me). I made that statement because DN (my fav comic character) isn't very known and was trying to be open and honest so that I fit the forum rules. Over there I can't claim that feat for that very reason, on KMC we assume my guy is doing everything within his power to win. In a comic or in a CV battle thread your absolutely right, DN wouldn't use his dark fire all out unless everything depended on it. In a KMC BZ that simply isn't the case.


Glad to see you've done some research ( frankly anytime I can get anybody reading DN in any way I'm stoked - He's a F#$ great character) but I need to point out the complete context of that.

1. The "guy" sneaking up on DN is a lycanthrope, you know a werewolf. Dingo is a member of the Southern Squadron, Cyclone's main super hero team. He doesn't have a lot of Conscious thought and basically acts on instinct.
2. He actually wasn't successful in sneaking up on DN, Mark detected him just before he growled and despite Dingo having better speed and reactions to mark Mark successfully dodged and dealt with him.
3. mark was more than a little distracted and emotional having just discovered what he believed was his wife cheating on him.

If I were using it exclusively with mark/DN I'd agree. The thing is I've taken and used the perspective of a genius who plays it loose and wild. Who sees the potential in out there tactics.

1. Mark is aware of the potential to do so. he's had it done to him and fought beside Southern Cross when he has used the same technique in different ways on others.
2. mark has never had cause or a need to use such a technique so how or why would he even if he knows how it can be done. He is the wale in his pond, the most powerful psionic in the Cyclone universe. Who would he have even had the need to use it on?

It's not a low feat for DN it's a high one for SC only because of the more intricate ways he uses his powers. Burt (SC is a latent TKer who without his power cane can move up to 5 MAYBE 10kg. He was implanted with a device by the CSIRO that acts in conjunction with his cane (a power source) that vastly enhances his TK power. When he has the cane in close proximity he can move truck, stop machine gun fire in its' tracks etc. When he has been de-caned in battle (which has happened enough to make it a plot point) he instead turns to things like locking brakes or making gun firing pins misfire. He is simply more creative in the use of his powers because he has to be.

So unless you disagree (and I'd assume you don't because you've argued constantly throughout this debate how much more powerful than DN Legion is) going up against Legion would mean Mark has a very good reason to get creative rather than rely on sheer power. He knows it possible, he knows how it's done and he now has a valid reason to employ it.

this doesn't really matter, mark can't teleport under his own power except though time (as i showed) and that is disallowed by the rules. Terry is my teleporter with his tech. Comet IF he had his space ship or sufficient prep time would have access to a teleporter also as he's built more than one. But I don't have his so Terry is the only one on my team who can.

which makes it a teleportation feat NOT a TK feat. Again not showing anything in terms of TK power to match that I've shown and quantified of DN's. Not showing anything that would indicate it can withstand a planetary busting feat ( your non bust was busted in case you didn't notice).

Great debate so far. it's been fun and I love being able to showcase DN (which I honestly don't get to do anywhere near enough for my liking)

Good luck. Will wait for your last post and once done I'll PM leo with a closing statement, unless you'd like to proceed another way?

psycho gundam
We're definitely done here as far as the debate goes, but there are only 2.5 things to respond to from that^:

1)

Originally posted by beatboks
I'll cover this point and your other point of Trial of Dark nebula together.

I originally thought the exact same thing about the trial re the planets destruction. however as you can clearly see in each of the retelling
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4139924-cailea+destroyed.jpg

There are bits of planet flying everywhere. The second panel is actually from the issue Trial of DN itself which at the time for some reason I overlooked. The planet was clearly spit us-sunder by his attack. This was a prophesy of the Cailean people. It was also a future shown to cerellus by Marks descendant from the far future (where the first panel of the three comes from).

The mere thought that the Cailean people would not give there everything to destroy the being they believe to be their final bringer of death confirmed by a future one of their own most respected members has seen is laughable at best.
Not only are you backtracking....


Originally posted by beatboks
On one thing you were correct that I said you weren't.


http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4137007-micvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3681260-scan0001.jpg
Each one referred to the total destruction of the planet, which wasn't how I remembered it as I remembered mark still standing in the arena he was attacked in at the end. I went back to the issue and
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4137011-trial+of+dn+6.jpg
Said arena was pretty much in ruins.

So obviously if I attack with darkfire straight up, full out there wont be much of "Manhatan" left for Terry to find resources in as you said.

I honestly miss-remembered it as less than that.

....but when the FEAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED ON PANEL it only reduced the area to rubble in the epicenter

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/th_dome2_zps71d3c4f0.jpg

There is even a statue there in the foreground that is relatively undamaged. Those space rocks don't mean anything to me if the actual crater epicenter is only maybe 8' across.

2)


Originally posted by beatboks
Glad to see you've done some research ( frankly anytime I can get anybody reading DN in any way I'm stoked - He's a F#$ great character) but I need to point out the complete context of that.

1. The "guy" sneaking up on DN is a lycanthrope, you know a werewolf. Dingo is a member of the Southern Squadron, Cyclone's main super hero team. He doesn't have a lot of Conscious thought and basically acts on instinct.
2. He actually wasn't successful in sneaking up on DN, Mark detected him just before he growled and despite Dingo having better speed and reactions to mark Mark successfully dodged and dealt with him.
3. mark was more than a little distracted and emotional having just discovered what he believed was his wife cheating on him.

I've already showed you that all the zombies have their minds and personalities subjugated by the caster:

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/et2.png

And Legion can lock out anything from their minds, after all he kicked Xavier out of his mind and he's one of the most skilled telepaths in comics AND Dark nebula having the ability to mind scan is dubious per the scans

Originally posted by psycho gundam
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/th_dingo1_zps3370dafd.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/th_dingo2_zpsf294186f.jpg

And it was the growl that alerted him, not a mind scan as he first thought it was a Dog till he was turned around.

.5)

Originally posted by beatboks
If I were using it exclusively with mark/DN I'd agree. The thing is I've taken and used the perspective of a genius who plays it loose and wild. Who sees the potential in out there tactics.

1. Mark is aware of the potential to do so. he's had it done to him and fought beside Southern Cross when he has used the same technique in different ways on others.
2. mark has never had cause or a need to use such a technique so how or why would he even if he knows how it can be done. He is the wale in his pond, the most powerful psionic in the Cyclone universe. Who would he have even had the need to use it on?

It's not a low feat for DN it's a high one for SC only because of the more intricate ways he uses his powers. Burt (SC is a latent TKer who without his power cane can move up to 5 MAYBE 10kg. He was implanted with a device by the CSIRO that acts in conjunction with his cane (a power source) that vastly enhances his TK power. When he has the cane in close proximity he can move truck, stop machine gun fire in its' tracks etc. When he has been de-caned in battle (which has happened enough to make it a plot point) he instead turns to things like locking brakes or making gun firing pins misfire. He is simply more creative in the use of his powers because he has to be.

So unless you disagree (and I'd assume you don't because you've argued constantly throughout this debate how much more powerful than DN Legion is) going up against Legion would mean Mark has a very good reason to get creative rather than rely on sheer power. He knows it possible, he knows how it's done and he now has a valid reason to employ it.

NO

Arguments don't work like that

beatboks
So we PM a closing statement/ summary to Leo???
Or do you have another idea.
Who do you have for judges also? Or do we want Leo to ask/choose?

Again nice debate it's been fun.

psycho gundam
Just post the summary here, obviously, then gather judges. No more PMs to people

beatboks
Hopefully get to closing 2morrow been busy

beatboks
Summary closing

Psycho says that during his prep he summons an army. To support this he shows a clip that shows one of his characters summon 5 people in just over a minute and another 4 in a minute. So in his 5 minutes of prep he can summon at most 25 people. More like a Squad than an "army".

Given that during that same prep he states that these summoned warriors will also be zombified and mind linked ( another minute), plus Kabuto has to absorb life force from them ( not sure how much there will be) in the non remaining time. That actually reduces it to considerably less that 20, maybe 10 or 15. Frankly this seems pretty insignificant in the course of things. Not to mention the fact that AFTER all this is done Legion makes his Pscyhic bunker. Will he EVEN have time left??? It's possible Psycho could say he made it first, but if that were the case can Kabuto even summon his "army" (snicker)/Squad? I mean if his psychic bunker can withstand planet busting attacks (which MUST be the case) can Kabuto summon through it???

Conversely in my own prep (which is don in the base of Terry Sloane) Terry grabs and puts on his armor from Earth 2 #0 and then spnds the rest of his time watching the futures that base shows as the rest of my team did while mind linked for the whole time. Each team member can be looking at a different area of the 9th dimension and seeing a different alternate future play. I stated this was a total of 13 minutes (5 by Dark Nebula and Ray, and 3 by Terry). Realistically there is no reason it couldn't be the full 15 as terry could easily have been watching while donning his armor, but I wanted to keep it as clean as possible.

I also stated that I basically know at least 3 minutes into the battle before it starts. This is simply to have allowed me to have seen four alternatives. to know how reaction to what I do in reaction to his plan would play out and adjust accordingly. Put simply if a counter I had chosen to enact at the start failed then it was never done because I knew in advance and did something else.

Psycho would have you believe this is reliant on plot and waste of prep. The plot however is determined by us and what this does for me is completely invalidate any plot that has Psycho dominating play at the start. Essentially it means that if any first assault they made was capable of finishing my team it didn't because we were prepared and elsewhere. If any counter we made was likely to fail we didn't make that counter but made another. It allowed us to be prepared for the first counter they had to our counter. end result any initiative gained at the outset of the battle belongs to me.

Psycho has offered no proof that his psychic bunker can withstand a planet busting attack. Instead he expects us to accept a no limit fallacy. Oh it withstands a nuke (which can in NO WAY bust a planet) so it can withstand anything). He would like to make you believe that the planet wasn't busted because if it was he hasn't an adequate defense offered to withstand it. The large chunks of planet in THREE separate recounts of the story are in no way an indication that the planet was destroyed are they? The fact that the area mark was standing on was intact is also in fact consistent with the images of the planets break up as each of those chunks looked like at least 1/10 of the planet. Call me crazy if you will but 1/10 of a planet is hell of a lot larger than a continent so i have no problem believing that an arena was intact.

Then we come down to Psycho's attempts to no-sell DN's TP. His numbering of the Caileans in the scans was quite funny. Let's ignore the fact that man he labelled as 3 in his first scans has three above and to the left of him that look exactly like him and that the one to his right is him with longer hair. In the second scan there is another number one without a moe beside him. The Third scan again filled with number threes. Talk about clutching at straws.

I find this even more ironic when he has openly stated the ONLY attack he is making on DN is Itachi with his sword. he's put so much of his argument into no selling DN's TP resistance when he isn't attacking with TP. Having seen the future before we entered battle and possessing TP that both I and my opponent (nice of him wasn't it) have shown I can send Messages across light years* there is no way he can achieve anything of worth with this attack. A sword is a weapon that is physically wielded and how can he do so against someone who is shown to have TK on the level I have shown. Not to mention wielding a soul based weapons against a character with soul based energy manipulation powers. I can begin to explain how ineffectual that will be.

(* I refer to the image Psycho nicely cropped and highlighted for me at the start of page two where a Cailean warrior states they received Cerellus'/Dark nebula's TP message in the Beta star system before departing)

The we have him trying to no-sell DN's dark fire as lighting and how Legion withstood Storms best lightning. Please ANYONE show me anywhere where storm's lightning has operated on the levels I have shown DN's Dark fir??? When has Storm EVER destroyed and entire race, millions of anything (featless or not), operated on a planetary scale (destruction or not)??? The idea that Storm's lightning is in anyway comparable to the output of DN's Dark fire is completely and utterly laughable. She has NEVER operated on that level for even the briefest of moments.

Psycho's big counter is that his flank attack will work and he offers a "sneak attack" as proof. A sneak attack that failed, real good evidence. He would like you to believe it failed because he heard Dingo grown. Something in comics must have changed without me being made aware of it. Speech and thought balloons etc in a comic always work down the panel in time line (always have) often when we have two characters holding a conversation in a panel, you will see one little balloon that links to another bellow the response of the other characters balloon with their response. The "rooar" that DN would have heard to alert him in your scan was at the bottom of the panel after DN had asked his wife if he got a dog before he turned and saw it. Again your scan actually aided my case rather than sell yours. While emotionally invested AND distracted, DN sensed the presence of an "animal" mind behind him and was able to counter and react to a faster character than himself. This was supposed to be proof that DN would be taken by a sneak attack. Dingo is stealthier than any "Ninja", a lot faster, has greater strength, AND regenerates like your "zombi" (takes a silver bullet to actually harm him)

Psycho would also have us believe that Comet will have so much trouble dealing with his "zombies". He states that he will be getting attacked "en masse". I don't for a minute consider 15 to 20 opponents a "mass" of enemy. Especially for someone who can essentially vaporize the empire state building three times over. Not that he would even be facing all 15 to 20, after all some of them have been sent looking for Terry. They will be on a merry chase wont they, hunting down the guy who's built a teleporter that can and has moved an entire planet and has a smaller version built into his armor.

Here is the real kicker. Between us I'm the only one who has actually presented an attack plan. Psycho set up an elaborate defense of his team with the psychic bunker. he has stated that he has some of his "army" looking for terry and that some are "attacking Comet en masse (rotflmao) and that one of his summoned army ( and he re-iterated ONLY that one) is attacking Dark Nebula. He has put such focus onto defending and no-selling DN that he has actually not finished the job and attacked in a viable way to win. His no-selling of the power bases of my characters has failed to invalidate the attack options I made (and I made several). Whilst he has presented plenty of feats for Legion he has actually not committed him to an action. The only use he has made of him is to say that his mind link with Itachi would break DN, but since I'm not actively TP engaging Itachi or anyone else I wont even be peripherally affected by it.

beatboks
FYI I have asked two members to judge and they have said yes. Supermutant and CadenceV2. I have judged and hosted matches for both recently so know they are active in BZ. If you cab ask 3 more to make it 5 would be god.

psycho gundam
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um ok so....a summery thing

-Prep

As stated before, the characters Kabuto had sealed before are just that: sealed. He doesn't need to make them into zombies over again. It's absurd that this is being argued tbh. Just one additional character got added to the zombie roster so that's all the prep time is used for.

-Defense

Shields, regeneration, teleportation and better and more diverse powers that you don't need to imagine how they work or use another character's feats (I will get to an example of that in a sec) to see what Beatboks wants you to see.


Why I win

All my feats are substantiated on-panel or video and my opponent can't say the same, he rather have you suspend your disbelief and extrapolate things from a handful of out of context scans.

Remember when Beatboks said that he had billions (citation needed) of "Charles Xavier level" telepaths(citation needed) and then proceeded to do this whole math thing to make LEGION vastly inferior to some Australian superhero with maybe 3 loosely applicable telepathy/telekinesis feats to his name? Shit had me rollin' cause like...look at this:

The lady with the hoop earrings is consistently right behind ole boy's right shoulder in all these panels. This is not coincidental.


http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/1_zps731e1e95.jpg

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/2_zps036e70d9.jpg

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/3_zpsb2eec309.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/4_zps77231938.jpg

They were conducting his sentencing and you CANNOT say otherwise. AT BEST using the man's own equation and giving him the benefit of the doubt that they are Xavier level (based off of absolutely nothing at all), and simply counting, there are 9 of those characters on panel so Legion being 10x Xavier nullifies all that stuff he was talking about to inflate his character. Then the planet "destruction" was overblown, too. I went over that on this same page so it's all there. You just have to look at the panels to see nothing Beatboks says holds water.

That's just one of the things he said that maybe he just read wrong and built assumptions on in this battlezone.

-ITACHI

Stowing Legion utterly mindraping his whole team, I have a character that can just take out his powerhouse character without any of the talk about countering telepathy with non-telepathy feats blah blah, you just get sealed and that's that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok7tnT3aL8M#t=2739

He won't miss since his eyes have the Sharingan, one of it's properties is that it predicts the movements of whom it's observing and allows the user to move in sync with em like so:
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/th_sh1_zps57cae503.jpg

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/th_sh3_zps798ec8eb.jpg

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/tourney/th_sh2_zpsce239840.jpg

That sword cannot be used against him since it's existence in the world is dependent on itachi willing it to do so, like he can recall it in the blink of an eye.

Anyway...

I have a regenerating horde of zombies that won't be put down

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/gsghshg_zps8163243d.jpg

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/uc_zps89ae6c70.jpg


...and that's only IF you can break through Legion's multiple layers of shielding that has withstood things that you've displayed minus these corresponding feats to give them the merit they need to be of substance.

Why he loses

Nothing he said can be properly backed up power-wise as well as logically since Beatboks made many flubs along the way. He has zero counters and he's completely overwhelmed. 2/3 of his team did nothing and are useless

CadenceV2
Interesting match. and DN was MVP for this too. Cool cat there.

Things I took away from this.

Pro Beatboks:
DN has the best attack in the whole match.
DN should withstand the TP assaults.
Captain Comet has really good offensive attack.
The prep time helps alot to get a advantage with seeing glimpses of outcomes.

Cons Beatboks:
DN is doing most of the work with his single OP Dark Fire move.
Sloan was not doing much at all.
CC was a glorified opener move, and like Sloan not used much either.

Pro Psycho:
Legion was his MVP. Could very well match DN.
His naruto character is useful with the summons.
What team he has fielded will Regen from certain attacks.
Observation Haki can be useful against opener moves.
Lots of strategies thrown around on why he wins.

Con Psycho:
Legion Bunker was not shown to withstand opening moves.
Summoning a army in the time was not supported. I saw him summoning a handful of beings at best.
Soul Sealing DN is iffy at best from what I seen.

Close Match. I cannot see a reason why the Dark Fire opener would not end the fight pretty much. I also believe both Legion and Dark Nebula are High Herald at the least. I was disappointed not to see much of Captain Comet or Sloan in this fight. I am giving my vote to Beatboks as to who should win. Beatboks as always did a great job debating points, arguing points, but two of his characters were rarely touched on, and it seem DN was the only factor in this match. Psycho team was all used in some way as how they can combat and possibly win this fight. The only question is if the team can survive the opening moves. Which I was not convince they could survive. The regen feats were great, and the Psy Bunker was cool, but I see nothing of either feat to show it can withstand a internal disintegration with magical like Dark Fire. The Regen feats showed no zombie coming back from a total disintegration that I saw. I also again do not see how its possible to summon a army in the time frame allowed when that character never had a feat showing he could.

Close Match. I want to almost give it to Psycho for utilizing his team, but Beatboks arguments of the opener itself just sells me on the fact there is no realistic counter to that salvo of attacks.

Supermutant
I know next to nothing about all these characters, which is a good thing b/c it forces me to be completely objective. smile

This was a very close match up with a lot of good back and forth arguments.

My vote goes to Psycho Gundam for the following reasons:

To me this battle was almost 3 characters against 2 characters in PG's favor.
For Beatboks, Terry Sloane wasn't really much of a factor here.
As shown with evidence, Legion would counter/block most of Dark Nebula's attacks. Plus Nagato would repel other attacks.
PG used prep time better even if its only a squad and not an army.
Beatboks had some inconsistencies/errors with his on panel evidence, whereas PG's proof was more consistent.
Therefore, IMO Psycho Gundam made the better argument by using his team's powers effectively, and combining their talents with a get strategy for the win. Beatboks really put all his eggs in one basket with Dark Nebula which isn't a bad way to go, but Dark Nebula would be neutralized with psy bunker, and soul sealing.

marwash22
the crux of Beatboks' winning this battle seems to rest on that opening attack... which is all but irrelevant considering that even if it breaks through the shielding and kills PG's fighters, they would simply regenerate.

My vote goes to PG.

In the end there was just too much backpedaling and unsubstantiated claims on Beatboks' side of the argument, and he really presented no valid counters to the attacks (or defenses) PG's fighters have... particularly Itachi's ability to seal Nebula.

beatboks
Congrats on the win psycho.
Stoked I got even one vote, up against Legion who should have pretty much soloed my team.
Somewhat surprised you didn't pull out some of his bigger non time manip related feats though.
No need to call any more judges unless you want 5.
Maybe we can do one again some time. Ideally with a little more prep time than the norm (I love prep battles ;D) like say 20 minutes or half an hour.

beatboks
Originally posted by marwash22
the crux of Beatboks' winning this battle seems to rest on that opening attack... which is all but irrelevant considering that even if it breaks through the shielding and kills PG's fighters, they would simply regenerate.

My vote goes to PG.

In the end there was just too much backpedaling and unsubstantiated claims on Beatboks' side of the argument, and he really presented no valid counters to the attacks (or defenses) PG's fighters have... particularly Itachi's ability to seal Nebula.

I would be curious to know what I didn't substantiate if you don't mind when you have a chance. I was pretty positive everything I put up was either in one of my scans or one of those psycho put up, but I may have missed something.

I always like to learn from my mistakes if I can

psycho gundam
http://i59.tinypic.com/ftzm10.gif

However.....

Originally posted by beatboks
Congrats on the win psycho.
Stoked I got even one vote, up against Legion who should have pretty much soloed my team.
Somewhat surprised you didn't pull out some of his bigger non time manip related feats though.
No need to call any more judges unless you want 5.
Maybe we can do one again some time. Ideally with a little more prep time than the norm (I love prep battles ;D) like say 20 minutes or half an hour. 5 judges is the only acceptable way. I feel I won in dominating fashion so in my opinion a 2-1 decision isn't enough

And we can definitely have a run back with more preparation time and new characters.

beatboks
So who are your other two judges

vdoxII
I don't know who your other judges are, but having read through this you BOTH deserve to loose.

Psycho, seriously you had Legion and yet you failed to stomp. Legion who is easily High herald/ Trans level at the least and yet you allowed your opponent to somehow dictate what feats you were using.

How Legion even fitted into the scale of the other choces here is beyond me, but the fact that you didn't simply end this in the first post is amazing. You had a single player leagues beyond the rest of both teams and you failed miserably to take advantage of it.

Beatboks, you had one of the best brains in comics who has made weapons that have stopped planetary destruction level weapons on the fly. That has created a device in two panels that allowed his team of NON TPers to mentally overpower a planetary level TPER. MLJ Comet is the Reed Richards of MLJ. when he was depowered in the Silver age after his time on an alien planet abated his powers he simply created a suit that gave him new powers which included matter manipulation and complete control of the electro magnetic spectrum]/u], and you didn't even use anything close to his best feats.

I could understand if you simply weren't aware but IIRC I've seen you use those feats on tourney's on other forums. You could have used the prep to simply access all the gear in his base or star ship and made almost anything on the fly.

then there was Terry Sloane, another underused character on your part. the guy overpowered and soloed E2 Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, Supergirl and Robin as well as all the forces of Apocalips, created a device that could move a planet, and was aware of things on countless other worlds and time frames and THIS was the best you could do with him.

pathetic debate really from both of you considering what your teams were capable of and could have done with the right amopunt of effort.

beatboks
thanks for your input. I did intend to use those feats here too, but when I chose them I thought I and more prep. the tourney this was based on had a stipulation about extra prep for every obscure character you picked and I picked three pretty bloody obscure ones. Why else do you think I picked two prep masters in a mid herald level BZ??

The thing was the prep we ended up with simply would have made any feats I used like that less than viable. Yes he did them in two and three panels, but that was SA MLJ so we're talking about stories that were completely told in 8 to 10 pages. So contextually a few panels back then would be like several pages now since the same stories can take 5 or six issues to complete (making them nearly 10 times longer). So where two panels now days may be seconds it could have been 15 minutes to an half or an hour from a SA story by MLJ. Sort of like DC or Marvel GA tales from anthologies.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by vdoxII
I don't know who your other judges are, but having read through this you BOTH deserve to loose.

Psycho, seriously you had Legion and yet you failed to stomp. Legion who is easily High herald/ Trans level at the least and yet you allowed your opponent to somehow dictate what feats you were using.

How Legion even fitted into the scale of the other choces here is beyond me, but the fact that you didn't simply end this in the first post is amazing. You had a single player leagues beyond the rest of both teams and you failed miserably to take advantage of it. Maybe because those high level showings would be inadmissible given the limits of the original stipulations, so using everything before his awakening was okay.

"Dictate what feats you were using", the fuc? If anything Beatboks' arsenal was whittled down to a ghost of what he originally wanted to utilize per his OP. Him not being able to use it or not using it out of misguided bravado is a knock against him, not me.

vdoxII
Originally posted by psycho gundam
Maybe because those high level showings would be inadmissible given the limits of the original stipulations, so using everything before his awakening was okay.

"Dictate what feats you were using", the fuc?

So this wasn't made by you??

Clearly you had every intention of using higher feats and only really had to reign in the time manip stuff not everything.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
If anything Beatboks' arsenal was whittled down to a ghost of what he originally wanted to utilize per his OP. Him not being able to use it or not using it out of misguided bravado is a knock against him, not me.

How do you figure that?? you didn't even breach his TP defense. Your big argument is that Legion is 10 X Xavier. he showed an ordinary member of the race that attacked him match the best feat you gave for Xavier by being in TP contact with someone from the next galaxy light years away. Even if we take your argument that only those pictured were the ones attacking him (in the scan you numbered 1,2,3) there were nine people pictured in 1 and 11 in another and we also saw that the disembodied guy who was part of him was ALSO attacking (makes it 12 at least). so he's show by your argument withstanding and eventually falluing to 12 x Xavier's TP and you have 10. I also notice you didn't bother responding to the fact that he showed ALL the race looked like one of the three in every single scan. I also noticed you both ignored completely different back grounds in every single panel of those attacking.

you did a splendid job, sorry for calling your shortcomings

vdoxII
Originally posted by beatboks


The thing was the prep we ended up with simply would have made any feats I used like that less than viable. Yes he did them in two and three panels, but that was SA MLJ so we're talking about stories that were completely told in 8 to 10 pages. So contextually a few panels back then would be like several pages now since the same stories can take 5 or six issues to complete (making them nearly 10 times longer). So where two panels now days may be seconds it could have been 15 minutes to an half or an hour from a SA story by MLJ. Sort of like DC or Marvel GA tales from anthologies.

O_o Correct me if I'm wrong but it was YOU i've seen use this character and his Silver age gear in a tourney somewhere who showed he took of his helmet and pushed a button and gear just flew from his base to him to assemble to build a weapon that prevented the complete destruction of earth, RIGHT???

It was you who showed the same character build a device that allowed 5 non mentally powered beings over power Brain Emperor who you also showed controlling entire armies.

You also showed a device that he built that showed his team all future threats, as well as another that allowed him to transmute wood into metal and other things. You showed him using his gear to perform Magneto type feats of controlling opponents weapons. To phase through solid objects, move at hyper sonic speeds, teleport. Not only fly but graqnt others the power of flight, scan on multi spectral levels. All from a set of gloves and a helmet he'd made.

This was all from gear YOU showed he simply put on once he realized his powers had ceased because he'd already made it. And your tellingme he couldn't get dressed (into nothing more than gloves and a helmet) in 5 minutes?? Lame

psycho gundam
Originally posted by vdoxII
So this wasn't made by you??

Clearly you had every intention of using higher feats and only really had to reign in the time manip stuff not everything.



How do you figure that?? you didn't even breach his TP defense. Your big argument is that Legion is 10 X Xavier. he showed an ordinary member of the race that attacked him match the best feat you gave for Xavier by being in TP contact with someone from the next galaxy light years away. Even if we take your argument that only those pictured were the ones attacking him (in the scan you numbered 1,2,3) there were nine people pictured in 1 and 11 in another and we also saw that the disembodied guy who was part of him was ALSO attacking (makes it 12 at least). so he's show by your argument withstanding and eventually falluing to 12 x Xavier's TP and you have 10. I also notice you didn't bother responding to the fact that he showed ALL the race looked like one of the three in every single scan. I also noticed you both ignored completely different back grounds in every single panel of those attacking.

you did a splendid job, sorry for calling your shortcomings 1) We agreed not to use time shenanigans so it was only a comment on his capabilities regarding space/time transport.

2) It's 9 on panel characters given that the one with lines at the end was part of the panels. Beatboks was soooo secure with that event then it was taken from him without any fallback plan.

Bless

leonidas
laughing out loud you've both been ridiculously patient with the "helpful" critiquing.... i applaud you both.

beatboks
Originally posted by leonidas
laughing out loud you've both been ridiculously patient with the "helpful" critiquing.... i applaud you both.

Patience is getting thin, and if that's who I think it is based on his last post I'm about to go down the 10th floor of my building and beat the little shit senseless to teach him to stop hounding me on forums.

@vdox, it is you isn't it John?

leonidas
laughing out loud i approve. thumb up

psycho gundam
Plot twist

beatboks
It was the little shit, sorted him out last night. He's still pissed that I embarrased him at our local comic shop when I shot dow a few innacurate things he was spouting off.

I wouldnt mind but he already got me banned from comic bloc for 6 months because he somehow piggy backed off my IP and trolled the mods, in freakin PM no less. I never even knew what happened.

leonidas
laughing out loud that's actually pretty hilarious. give the kid props for moxie at least. lol

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