Who is THE WEAKEST DC character That Can DEFEAT Pre-Retcon Beyonder

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LordofBrooklyn
Who is the Weakest DC character that can defeat Pre-Retcon Beyonder?

Reflassshh
Batman.

Insane Titan
Flash.

Beyonder has no speed feats.

leonidas
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zopzop
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Who is the Weakest DC character that can defeat Pre-Retcon Beyonder?
No one short of the Primal Monitor.

Hell, even POST Retcon Beyonder is more powerful than 99% of the MU or DCU.

Damborgson
Originally posted by Insane Titan
Flash.

Beyonder has no speed feats.

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Insane Titan
Flash.

Beyonder has no speed feats.

Didnt Classic Beyonder speed blitz several Celestials at once?

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by zopzop
No one short of the Primal Monitor.

Hell, even POST Retcon Beyonder is more powerful than 99% of the MU or DCU.

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Star428
Originally posted by Reflassshh
Batman.


Only if it was written by Frank Miller. wink

Magic Joe
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Didnt Classic Beyonder speed blitz several Celestials at once?

He was being sarcastic.

Golgo13
Originally posted by zopzop
No one short of the Primal Monitor.

Hell, even POST Retcon Beyonder is more powerful than 99% of the MU or DCU. .

Mxy?

DTM
I think the ONLY being in comics that Id give the win over PreRetcon Beyonder would be The One Above All, who I would hardly call WEAK.

zopzop
Originally posted by Golgo13
.

Mxy?
Whoops, forgot him. Yeah.

Star428
Originally posted by DTM
I think the ONLY being in comics that Id give the win over PreRetcon Beyonder would be The One Above All, who I would hardly call WEAK.


Doom did it with lots of prep. But, I'm sure you already knew that, DTM.

krisblaze
^Yeah I never really understood how that went down. Doom supposedly used mind-swap, but it seemed like such a basic technique...

DTM
Originally posted by Star428
Doom did it with lots of prep. But, I'm sure you already knew that, DTM.

Well yes, but thats not Doom, its Doom + Galactus' full power + prep and planning + Beyonder created tech against a naive and fairly innocent Beyonder. Not the normal Doom or Beyonder.

"Id"
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Didnt Classic Beyonder speed blitz several Celestials at once?

The Celestials have no speed feats.

DTM
Yeah, Beyonder slaughtered a bunch of them to impress Boom Boom, but it wasnt done in a superspeedy fashion.

Reflassshh
Originally posted by DTM
Yeah, Beyonder slaughtered a bunch of them to impress Boom Boom, but it wasnt done in a superspeedy fashion. Yeah, he took his time doing so thumb up

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cdtm
Originally posted by DTM
Well yes, but thats not Doom, its Doom + Galactus' full power + prep and planning + Beyonder created tech against a naive and fairly innocent Beyonder. Not the normal Doom or Beyonder.

That IS the normal Doom. What do you think "prep god" means? stick out tongue

Using the Devourer (Who was hungry, ftr, so less then full power) + Beyonder tech in the field is a prep feat you wouldn't see Batman do, even under Morrison.

Not to mention, saying he took a naive Beyonder minimizes the fact Beyonder was in the process or ripping him in half when he got the drop on him.

cdtm
In all seriousness:

John Constantine.

Mr Master
Originally posted by cdtm

That IS the normal Doom.
Not ... exactly. The Doom that appeared in SW1 never existed.
Beyonder plucked him from a Future he never existed in.

616 Doom, (the real VVD) was living a quiet life inside a guy's body named Norman McArthur.
This is because 616 Doom's body was obliterated by Terrax in 83'.
616 Doom was inside McArthur during the entire event of SW1 and nearly all of SWII likewise.
616 Doom had never seen/met the Byonder until FF#266, (late tie-in to SWII)
when Beyonder personally replaced the original destroyed non-existent Doom of SW1, with 616 Doom,
after taking his consciousness/spirit out of McArthur's body.

If all that wasn't enough. Beyonder coerced the whole thing.
Beyonder even literally re-wrote history on the spot so 616 Doom would now get "the feat."

It was later revealed this is something Beyonder always wanted sub-consciously.
Originally posted by cdtm

Beyonder was in the process or ripping him in half when he got the drop on him.
Actually good friend, Beyonder was in the process of helping that Doom.

Also, the concept of Death was warped by Beyonder in the Battleworld dimension,
it's the only reason he was even still alive.

DTM
Originally posted by cdtm
Using the Devourer (Who was hungry, ftr, so less then full power) + Beyonder tech in the field is a prep feat you wouldn't see Batman do, even under Morrison.

Just to clairfy, while Galactus was hungry-ish during SW (or more specially, after he brought his Homeworld to Battleworld, as mentioned by Reed Richards), when Doom absorbed his power he actually did so as if he were absorbing what Galactus would have, all of the power that would have recharged Galactus instead went into Doom (which is why Galactus was then left KOed, and his Homeworld (which Galactus was going to absorb to battle the Beyonder) was gone. Doom after absorbing Galactus did so at a Very High Level, not simply just what Galactus had on him at that point in time.

theTANTALIZER
The scary thing about PR Beyonder is that it can erase you and no entity will ever know that you ever existed. Batman beats Beyonder with his eyes closed.

Star428
Originally posted by theTANTALIZER
The scary thing about PR Beyonder is that it can erase you and no entity will ever know that you ever existed. Batman beats Beyonder with his eyes closed.


Please tell me you're being sarcastic with that last sentence.

Prof. T.C McAbe
BatGod would beat PR Beyonder, the Presence and TOAA at the same time, just by staring, Flash Fact.

Sj_Sharp
Well, given the type of character PR Beyonder is, the DCU must put on the table its cards of the highest degree, such as:

Presence;
the combined power of Lucifer and Michael,
the GEB.

Also, on a further level, surely metatextual beings are needed here, such as:

Primal Monitor
Dax Novu
CA

Just my two cents, and probably there are other few characters I'm forgetting right now.
To say who would take? It's not for me, at this kind of level I just personally find the choice nearly impossible.

Prof. T.C McAbe
WF MXY would also beat him.

BeyonderGod
Hahaha xD you guys are funny.

ODG
Originally posted by Mr Master
Not ... exactly. The Doom that appeared in SW1 never existed.
Beyonder plucked him from a Future he never existed in. He plucked him from 616 future. Which is why he had to close the time-loop he caused or destroy existence itself. There was no reason to close the time-loop if it wasn't 616 Doom. Originally posted by Mr Master
It was later revealed this is something Beyonder always wanted sub-consciously.

Actually good friend, Beyonder was in the process of helping that Doom.

Also, the concept of Death was warped by Beyonder in the Battleworld dimension,
it's the only reason he was even still alive. Retconned.

Not sure where this comes from, but retconned anyway.

I haven't ever even seen anything resembling such a notion. Which wouldn't matter as Doom didn't fight Beyonder on Battleworld. He fought him in Beyonder's Realm.

Baron
The weakest? Dunno, but the people who can:
Lucifer Morningstar. He can obviously manipulate beyonder.
Michael Demiurgos, better feats.

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by Baron
The weakest? Dunno, but the people who can:
Lucifer Morningstar. He can obviously manipulate beyonder.
Michael Demiurgos, better feats.

Beyonder cannot be beaten.

DarkSaint85
Batman/Constantine.

Assuming it's the naive, innocent Beyonder.

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