Bentley
The odd thread name is meant to narrow a bit the concept of random events, future reading and understanding the will of God.
I want to discuss about using means that are assumedly random (throwing a dice being the prime example) to discern the will of a supererior being, a god in most cases.
Now, I want to discuss about the use of these practices by holy men or religious figures, instead of just talking about throwing coins to make any choice. Why is this? I think that as a ritual, this kind of divination was meant to be very limited, you couldn't really ask God to be present in any thrown dice, there had to be used in a proper set up. The Bible itself has several instances of casting lots in order to discern God's will.
I'm interested to have a discussion around the subject, if for example, this is an admission of randomness in the universe or if it's meant to be read as the will of God being absolute. What can you draw from cleromancy if we admit there is something akin to freewill? Do you think current believers of modern religions could get behind this ancient practices? To what extent?
If you're a believer yourself, what would be your sensibility towards religious divination? Do you think it has any place in faith as you experience it? Would you be able to believe in it's fairness if the occasion rose?
I want to discuss about using means that are assumedly random (throwing a dice being the prime example) to discern the will of a supererior being, a god in most cases.
Now, I want to discuss about the use of these practices by holy men or religious figures, instead of just talking about throwing coins to make any choice. Why is this? I think that as a ritual, this kind of divination was meant to be very limited, you couldn't really ask God to be present in any thrown dice, there had to be used in a proper set up. The Bible itself has several instances of casting lots in order to discern God's will.
I'm interested to have a discussion around the subject, if for example, this is an admission of randomness in the universe or if it's meant to be read as the will of God being absolute. What can you draw from cleromancy if we admit there is something akin to freewill? Do you think current believers of modern religions could get behind this ancient practices? To what extent?
If you're a believer yourself, what would be your sensibility towards religious divination? Do you think it has any place in faith as you experience it? Would you be able to believe in it's fairness if the occasion rose?