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pre 52 orion vs thor


round 1: thor with mjolnir vs orion with astro harness

round 2: H2H no weapons/tech

who wins

Could go either way for them. Both of these guys are practically dead even in terms of power, and physical stats. I think that they are both capable of going into warrior madness mode, so again they're about dead even.

Originally posted by Stoic
Could go either way for them. Both of these guys are practically dead even in terms of power, and physical stats. I think that they are both capable of going into warrior madness mode, so again they're about dead even.

Originally posted by Stoic
Could go either way for them. Both of these guys are practically dead even in terms of power, and physical stats. I think that they are both capable of going into warrior madness mode, so again they're about dead even.

Orion for sure has him beat with tech, its pretty even physically but i think Orion has a bit of an advantage in just about all areas.

This thread is mostly an experiment to see what the people on this site are like.

Originally posted by thingy150
Orion for sure has him beat with tech, its pretty even physically but i think Orion has a bit of an advantage in just about all areas.

This thread is mostly an experiment to see what the people on this site are like.

Well if you looked at Mjolnir as tech, it kind of evens things out. If you took out Thor, and placed Orion in his shoes he'd do just about as well against Thor's rogue gallery, and the same goes for Thor in Orion's position. They're both major power houses.

Originally posted by Stoic
Well if you looked at Mjolnir as tech, it kind of evens things out. If you took out Thor, and placed Orion in his shoes he'd do just about as well against Thor's rogue gallery, and the same goes for Thor in Orion's position. They're both major power houses.

I include mjolnir as weapons/tech.....

Orion i feel is much faster and stronger than the hulk along with the fact he has 1 shotted superman with his astro harness(which is why i feel he effortlessly wins round 1).

Round 2 would be a great battle tho, could go either way.

Thor probably wins round 1 and orion probably wins round 2

Originally posted by deathslash
Thor probably wins round 1 and orion probably wins round 2

How does thor deal with the astro harness?(which 1 shotted superman)

Originally posted by thingy150
How does thor deal with the astro harness?(which 1 shotted superman)
By a sucker shot to a young Superman, sure.

Originally posted by abhilegend
By a sucker shot to a young Superman, sure.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/5/57746/1939537-orionsupes1.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/5/57746/1939538-orionsupes2.jpg

Superman got off the 1st hit and orion returned the favor so it was not even close to a "sucker shot"....nice try tho

Originally posted by abhilegend
By a sucker shot to a young Superman, sure.

What is your opinion on the whole Orion/Thor debate?

Originally posted by Golgo13
What is your opinion on the whole Orion/Thor debate? Originally posted by Golgo13
What is your opinion on the whole Orion/Thor debate? i think thor will win here

Originally posted by naurtoisbeast
i think thor will win here

Reasons?

Originally posted by thingy150
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/5/57746/1939537-orionsupes1.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/5/57746/1939538-orionsupes2.jpg

Superman got off the 1st hit and orion returned the favor so it was not even close to a "sucker shot"....nice try tho
Superman later flat out states that Orion has surprised him twice.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/supes-orion02.jpg

By that token Doc Samson oneshotting Hulk isn't a sucker shot too. Because Hulk was looking right at Doc.

Superman didn't even know who Orion was and just waking up on the next page oneshotted Orion.

Originally posted by abhilegend
http://i.imgur.com/FGFWtqz.jpg

Then Superman spends some time fighting Lightray and Orion comes back.

http://i.imgur.com/dtEs2eR.jpg

"Orion's back in the game." Meaning he was out for some time.

Originally posted by Golgo13
What is your opinion on the whole Orion/Thor debate?
Orion will win in both scenarios.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Orion will win in both scenarios.

BINGO we have a winner

Knocking out superman is nothing compared to the shit thors hammer has done. Stripping juggernaut of his enchantment, flying threw galactus head. Blowing holes in celestials. Thors hammer is better then any other weapon in any comic period. Now h2h no gear I say Orion has a speed advantage. Strength dead even. superman and hulk are better then both strength wise. Fighting skill both are even. Durability a nod to Thor. So really with gear Thor wins he can absorb beams from orions harness I dont care if its from the source Thors hammer will absorb it and dish out more the Orion can take. H2h Orion can take a slight lead due to speed.

Do you know what New God tech has done?

Standard equip, Orion has a Mother box.

Thor

Thor in both.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor in both.

Somebody is biased against dc characters.

Originally posted by thingy150
Somebody is biased against dc characters.

You asked how Thor would get past the Astro Harness? Mjonir has some very high defensive feats. An inexperienced Superman was taken out by an ersatz Predator. Does that mean that this creature would defeat Thor? Orion does not somehow translate to Superman.

Orion is not stronger than the Hulk, or Superman let's not even go down that road. Superman and the Hulk, are the only characters that have been written to overcome any physical challenge in their respective Universes. It's just the way that things have always been. Physically Thor and Orion are basically the same character, so it can go either way, but at their best, it would likely be a stalemate.

Originally posted by Stoic
You asked how Thor would get past the Astro Harness? Mjonir has some very high defensive feats. An inexperienced Superman was taken out by an ersatz Predator. Does that mean that this creature would defeat Thor? Orion does not somehow translate to Superman.

Orion is not stronger than the Hulk, or Superman let's not even go down that road. Superman and the Hulk, are the only characters that have been written to overcome any physical challenge in their respective Universes. It's just the way that things have always been. Physically Thor and Orion are basically the same character, so it can go either way, but at their best, it would likely be a stalemate.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8f/ByeByeDarkseid.PNG

He did this to darkseid, orion should always be more powerful than superman, just because superman is popular does not mean that you have to say he is more powerful than orion.

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/POS-045-20.jpg

He was able to take on the likes of black adam, who is more powerful than superman in my opinion(especially because he does not hold back)

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/35217/1490578-actioncomics586p11.jpg

The astro force can destroy worlds, it is ridiculously powerful.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/11112/111129726/3406167-1486546-superman_vs_orion.jpg

This is a low showing in my opinion but even then it says he and superman are evenly matched in power level.

Originally posted by thingy150
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8f/ByeByeDarkseid.PNG

He did this to darkseid, orion should always be more powerful than superman, just because superman is popular does not mean that you have to say he is more powerful than orion.

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/POS-045-20.jpg

He was able to take on the likes of black adam, who is more powerful than superman in my opinion(especially because he does not hold back)

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/35217/1490578-actioncomics586p11.jpg

The astro force can destroy worlds, it is ridiculously powerful.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/11112/111129726/3406167-1486546-superman_vs_orion.jpg

This is a low showing in my opinion but even then it says he and superman are evenly matched in power level.

Thor's Hammer was able to contain power great enough level a large portion of a galaxy.

Orion is not more powerful than Superman. This has nothing to do with popularity. Superman hold's back. Suoerman straight up beat the mess out of Darkseid. Darkseid wasn't even able to open his eyes.

Black Adam is a cream puff compared to Doomsday. Superman took him down. If Superman fought Black Adam, or Orion, the way that he fought Doomsday, he would twist their sh!t.

Superman can also amplify his stats with solar energy, and make what may seem like a challenge from BA, and Orion, to a stomp fest.

Orion is also very fast(he did this while blind)
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/a286a3f9.jpg


http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-09-09.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-09-10.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-09-11.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-09-11.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-09-13.jpg
Here he wrecks kalibak

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-17-10.jpg
He can create force fields

He also has magnetic powers, orion is awesome.

Originally posted by Stoic
Thor's Hammer was able to contain power great enough level a large portion of a galaxy.

Orion is not more powerful than Superman. This has nothing to do with popularity. Superman hold's back. Suoerman straight up beat the mess out of Darkseid. Darkseid wasn't even able to open his eyes.

Black Adam is a cream puff compared to Doomsday. Superman took him down. If Superman fought Black Adam, or Orion, the way that he fought Doomsday, he would twist their sh!t.

Superman can also amplify his stats with solar energy, and make what may seem like a challenge from BA, and Orion, to a stomp fest.

Are you saying that superman is more powerful than orion? I just put out numerous scans to prove otherwise, like him 1 shotting superman and it stating they are even in power.

Your speculation is not greater than the scans i put out. Orion put his hand straight through darkseids chest, how does superman fighting darkseid make him superior to orion?

Orion also stomped kalibak with a single blow(scan would not upload)

Instead of speculation prove to me superman is greater than orion, oh wait you cant because i already put out scans that prove otherwise.

Originally posted by thingy150
Orion is also very fast(he did this while blind)
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/a286a3f9.jpg


http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-09-09.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-09-10.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-09-11.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-09-11.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-09-13.jpg
Here he wrecks kalibak

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-17-10.jpg
He can create force fields

He also has magnetic powers, orion is awesome.

Do I have to pull up all of the Thor respect feats to show you that Orion is no more impressive than he is? Thor can do some pretty crazy things as well. Orion has yet to show anything that would make me think that he is above Thor. Have you seen how fast the Hulk actually is? He can actually move as a blur as well. Thor is able to keep up with him. Power wise, I think that they're about the same. Combat wise is just about the same as well.

Originally posted by Stoic
Do I have to pull up all of the Thor respect feats to show you that Orion is no more impressive than he is? Thor can do some pretty crazy things as well. Orion has yet to show anything that would make me think that he is above Thor. Have you seen how fast the Hulk actually is? He can actually move as a blur as well. Thor is able to keep up with him. Power wise, I think that they're about the same. Combat wise is just about the same as well.

Lol are you seriously going to argue for thor by using hulk speed feats? Hulk does not have any speed feats to contend with orion and orion has moved as a blur also...

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/af6cad34.jpg

Orion has one shotted superman and put his fist through darkseid, thor has been put down by less(hulk)

1. 50/50.
2. Orion 7/10

Originally posted by Golgo13
1. 50/50.
2. Orion 7/10


Some pretty good numbers

Originally posted by thingy150
Somebody is biased against dc characters.

Originally posted by Golgo13
1. 50/50.
2. Orion 7/10
Thor 6/10
Split

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Thor 6/10
Split

How does thor beat him?

Originally posted by thingy150
Lol are you seriously going to argue for thor by using hulk speed feats? Hulk does not have any speed feats to contend with orion and orion has moved as a blur also...

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/af6cad34.jpg

Orion has one shotted superman and put his fist through darkseid, thor has been put down by less(hulk) \

How well do you think Orion would do against Glory? I mean if you want to actually bring up power disparity, or the underdog syndrome. The Hulk is a completely different beast, and if he let go, and allowed himself to go completely berserk, Orion would be crushed by him. You don't want to get into a strength feat war against the hulk concerning Orion. The Hulk actually does have good speed feats, it's his agility that's isn't as great. But this isn't about the hulk or Superman vs Orion, it's about Thor vs Orion, because we all know that their power sets are completely different. You obviously want Orion to appear superior to Thor, but that would be an impossibility. With Thor's long history, it would be very difficult for him to beat Thor if you wanted to wage a feat war against him.

Orion has been in many battles where he was the underdog. Most top tiers have. Orion can match Thor/

BTW, Orion's recent appearances in GL have been pretty good. With his showing against Mogo and Hal Jordan, treating top tier/trans Green Lanterns as fodder is quite impressive.

Originally posted by Stoic
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How well do you think Orion would do against Glory? I mean if you want to actually bring up power disparity, or the underdog syndrome. The Hulk is a completely different beast, and if he let go, and allowed himself to go completely berserk, Orion would be crushed by him. You don't want to get into a strength feat war against the hulk concerning Orion. The Hulk actually does have good speed feats, it's his agility that's isn't as great. But this isn't about the hulk or Superman vs Orion, it's about Thor vs Orion, because we all know that their power sets are completely different. You obviously want Orion to appear superior to Thor, but that would be an impossibility. With Thor's long history, it would be very difficult for him to beat Thor if you wanted to wage a feat war against him.

Okay all i see is you claiming things, how does that further the thread. Me using orion beating superman is not "completely different" it is showing orions power lvl. You saying "hulk actually does have good speed feats" does nothing, you have shown nothing and all you are doing is claiming something with nothing to back up that said claim. Orion is too versatile and fast for the hulk so dont even try and say that he would lose to him. Again you are just randomly claiming things, just saying that thor is better does nothing to further this thread or conversation. The way you further a debate is with evidence and facts(feats) which i have provided and you have done nothing to counter. If you want to make an argument do that don't just proclaim someone better, that's not how you win a debate.

Originally posted by Golgo13
BTW, Orion's recent appearances in GL have been pretty good. With his showing against Mogo and Hal Jordan, treating top tier/trans Green Lanterns as fodder is quite impressive.

Loved those feats, i was thinking that since thor is a more popular character with a lot more feats to choose from i would allow new 52 feats. Do you think i should?

If i did he would win with this feat alone

http://media.comicbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/wonder-woman-gets-slapped.jpg

Originally posted by Golgo13
Orion has been in many battles where he was the underdog. Most top tiers have. Orion can match Thor/

Not nearly as many as Thor has been in. Orion has Darkseid to raise his stock. Thor has Galactus, Ego, Celestials, Glory, Mangog, The entire Masters of Evil, Gladiator, Perrikus... etc. Anyone thinking that Orion would walk in and beat the mess out of Thor are kidding themselves. On the other hand I don't believe that Thor would do more than stalemate against Orion based on his feats.

This 7/10 thing simply wouldn't happen. i think a battle between the two would be as close a match as Superman vs DOS Doomsday.

Originally posted by Stoic
Not nearly as many as Thor has been in. Orion has Darkseid to raise his stock. Thor has Galactus, Ego, Celestials, Glory, Mangog, The entire Masters of Evil, Gladiator, Perrikus... etc. Anyone thinking that Orion would walk in and beat the mess out of Thor are kidding themselves. On the other hand I don't believe that Thor would do more than stalemate against Orion based on his feats.

This 7/10 thing simply wouldn't happen. i think a battle between the two would be as close a match as Superman vs DOS Doomsday.

Doesn't matter, because he's already proven he can take beings in a higher tier. Same as any top tier and has LESS low showings than Thor, so it evens out.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Doesn't matter, because he's already proven he can take beings in a higher tier. Same as any top tier and has LESS low showings than Thor, so it evens out.

Yup like this low showing

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111138490/4140245-6159386898-Thano.jpg

Lol that sh*ts hilarious...who wrote that

Originally posted by thingy150
Okay all i see is you claiming things, how does that further the thread. Me using orion beating superman is not "completely different" it is showing orions power lvl. You saying "hulk actually does have good speed feats" does nothing, you have shown nothing and all you are doing is claiming something with nothing to back up that said claim. Orion is too versatile and fast for the hulk so dont even try and say that he would lose to him. Again you are just randomly claiming things, just saying that thor is better does nothing to further this thread or conversation. The way you further a debate is with evidence and facts(feats) which i have provided and you have done nothing to counter. If you want to make an argument do that don't just proclaim someone better, that's not how you win a debate.


It is because Superman does not somehow translate into Thor. They both have different power sets. Thor can do things that Superman can not do, and vice verse. You posted a bunch of feats for Orion. If you want to see some of Thor's feats go to his respect section. The scans that you posted don't somehow make Orion Thor's superior. Versatility does not mean that another character wins because of it. If it did, all of the characters that the Hulk has beaten should have wiped the floor with him. Versatility does not mean win. Orion loves to slug it out. This would not work in his favor against a character like the Hulk. If versatility meant everything Doomsday should have gotten destroyed by Superman, and Darkseid, but this didn't happen.

Originally posted by thingy150
Yup like this low showing

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111138490/4140245-6159386898-Thano.jpg

Lol that sh*ts hilarious...who wrote that

LOL! I can see Chris Tucker saying, "You got knocked the f** out!"

Originally posted by thingy150
Yup like this low showing

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111138490/4140245-6159386898-Thano.jpg

Lol that sh*ts hilarious...who wrote that

Are you slow? Thor was unprepared to be attacked by the Hulk in that scene. Orion would have taken a dive as well. It's not as if the Hulk is a light weight.

Originally posted by Stoic
Are you slow? Thor was unprepared to be attacked by the Hulk in that scene. Orion would have taken a dive as well. It's not as if the Hulk is a light weight.

He should have used his super speed.

Originally posted by Golgo13
He should have used his super speed.

Defending that scene is pointless. Let's consider all of the times that a prepared Thor has fought evenly with the Hulk. that scan was a cheap low ball attempt.

Originally posted by Stoic
It is because Superman does not somehow translate into Thor. They both have different power sets. Thor can do things that Superman can not do, and vice verse. You posted a bunch of feats for Orion. If you want to see some of Thor's feats go to his respect section. The scans that you posted don't somehow make Orion Thor's superior. Versatility does not mean that another character wins because of it. If it did, all of the characters that the Hulk has beaten should have wiped the floor with him. Versatility does not mean win. Orion loves to slug it out. This would not work in his favor against a character like the Hulk. If versatility meant everything Doomsday should have gotten destroyed by Superman, and Darkseid, but this didn't happen.

It does not matter if they have different power sets, orion one shotted a person with the durability of superman, how is that hard for you to understand? Orion does not always slug it out what are you talking about? He actually fights quite smart, he uses his tech very well. I never said that versatility meant a character won but orions versatility is why he beats hulk. Do you not understand how to debate? When you debate you use facts to back up your argument, those facts being the feats o used to back up mine. Your argument holds no weight because it is just you rambling and speculating, feats add validity to an argument and if you do not understand this you should not be debating. Your doomsday reference means nothing because i did not say that versatility means that people beat each other, i said that orion beats hulk due to his versatility. That being he is faster, can fly, has more damage output, is more durable. "Versatility does not mean the win" again i never said it did, but in my opinion it does in the case of hulk vs orion. You tried to use hulk as a speed feat for thor, that simply does not work because hulk is not very fast, he does not have any speed feats to contend with the likes of orion. Learn some debate tactics.

Originally posted by Stoic
Defending that scene is pointless. Let's consider all of the times that a prepared Thor has fought evenly with the Hulk. that scan was a cheap low ball attempt.

Well, at least we agree on the fight. It's pretty much a toss up.

Originally posted by Stoic
Defending that scene is pointless. Let's consider all of the times that a prepared Thor has fought evenly with the Hulk. that scan was a cheap low ball attempt.


It does not matter if he fought evenly with hulk, if that is your speed feat then my retort is that orion fought evenly with superman. Your argument just got crushed.

Originally posted by Stoic
Are you slow? Thor was unprepared to be attacked by the Hulk in that scene. Orion would have taken a dive as well. It's not as if the Hulk is a light weight.


Lol he got one shotted by the hulk, that was the point of that scene.

(edit) lol that hit would not even come close to doing anything to orion.

Right because an unsuspecting Orion is invincible. I realize that you want to keep this stalemate floating, but you have no proof that Orion would beat Thor. Thor has feats to counter every scan that you posted.

Of course he can beat Thor. He's in the same tier, with an uber energy attack and Mother Box. He's just as versatile with the MB. Stop being silly.

Originally posted by Stoic
Right because an unsuspecting Orion is invincible. I realize that you want to keep this stalemate floating, but you have no proof that Orion would beat Thor. Thor has feats to counter every scan that you posted.

Haha, just you talking some more, you have yet to do anything to prove your claims. An unsuspecting orion who has tanked shots from superman, darkseid, kalibak and first born.....hulk will not even come close to one shotting him(and there is the part where hulk would not even be able to hit him even if he did not suspect it)

It does not matter if he has feats to counter every scan i have posted(even tho he cant counter orion 1 shotting superman) you have yet to show scans of him doing anything.

You saying thor can beat him and you saying that he has scans does literally nothing, you have not even made an argument you have just proclaimed thor the winner without backing up anything. People could make a good argument for thor, sadly you have not done anything to further your point or thor winning.

Here you go. Have fun.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t451734.html

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t369118.html

Posting a respect thread does literally nothing, if you named feats and stated your source that would be better but i am not going to dig through the respect thread. Your argument is still moot.

Originally posted by thingy150
You saying thor can beat him and you saying that he has scans does literally nothing, you have not even made an argument you have just proclaimed thor the winner without backing up anything. People could make a good argument for thor, sadly you have not done anything to further your point or thor winning.

I said stalemate do you know what that means? It doesn't mean that one of them is going to beat the other. Is there something that got knocked loose up there?

Originally posted by thingy150
Posting a respect thread does literally nothing, if you named feats and stated your source that would be better but i am not going to dig through the respect thread. Your argument is still moot.

Wrong i said that for every scan that you put up, there is one from thor to overturn it. you not being willing to sift through his respect thread is on you. Not my problem.

Originally posted by thingy150
Posting a respect thread does literally nothing, if you named feats and stated your source that would be better but i am not going to dig through the respect thread. Your argument is still moot.

Agreed.

Are you that slow that you dont know how arguing works. I used scans of orion actually doing something that could very likely change the outcome of this fight. I showed what orion could do with his astro force i showed him fighting H2H and i showed his force fields. Every single one of my scans furthered my argument and all of them had to do with this fight because they are orion feats that show what he can do. Orion has one shotted beings much more durable than thor, he is faster, he has better reaction time and he has a weapon that can destroy planets. You mocking me by giving me a respect thread is just plain stupid, you are saying that using scans does not further the thread is plain ignorant and chlidish. Just because you do not have the wits to put up scans yourself does not mean you have to whine like a child.

Originally posted by thingy150
Are you that slow that you dont know how arguing works. I used scans of orion actually doing something that could very likely change the outcome of this fight. I showed what orion could do with his astro force i showed him fighting H2H and i showed his force fields. Every single one of my scans furthered my argument and all of them had to do with this fight because they are orion feats that show what he can do. Orion has one shotted beings much more durable than thor, he is faster, he has better reaction time and he has a weapon that can destroy planets. You mocking me by giving me a respect thread is just plain stupid, you are saying that using scans does not further the thread is plain ignorant and chlidish. Just because you do not have the wits to put up scans yourself does not mean you have to whine like a child.

Thor can destroy planets, Thor defeated Glory, Thor has a weapon that contained enough power to level a galaxy, Thor has taken out the Destroyer, Thor has had it out with Perrikus, Thor has shattered Galactus' armor, Thor has gone up against and stalemated the Mindless Hulk who took on Hercules, Doc Samson, Iron Man, Wonder Man, Namor and the entire Avengers, Thor has the power to negate Cytorraks enchantments, Thor has taken out Gladiator who is actually faster than Orion. So yeah for every scan that you posted Thor has feats to overturn them. Are you getting it yet? You have no proof that Orion would beat Thor whereas Thor has so many feats that you could not begin to launch a feat war against him using Orion's feats. You keep talking about Orion's tech, but seem to forget that Thor has a game changer called Mjolnir, and can whip up planetary level storms with or without it. Thor can also go into Warrior madness that amplifies his stats 10 fold.

What you want for people to say is that Orion would roll over Thor, but unfortunately for you that just won't happen. Instead you post an unsuspecting Thor being cheap shotted by a guy that can fold Adamantium, and try to play it off like it wouldn't have done anything to Orion, because your version of Orion is invincible despite having recently been KTFO.

Did Thor defeat Glory on his own power?

Orion matched and contained universal destroying energies with the Astro Force.

Originally posted by Stoic
Thor can destroy planets, Thor defeated Glory, Thor has a weapon that contained enough power to level a galaxy, Thor has taken out the Destroyer, Thor has had it out with Perrikus, Thor has shattered Galactus' armor, Thor has gone up and stalemated the Mindless Hulk who took on Hercules, Doc Samson, Iron Man, Wonder Man, and the entire Avengers, Thor has the power to negate Cytorraks enchantments, Thor has taken out Gladiator who is actually faster than Orion. So yeah for every scan that you posted Thor has feats to overturn them. Are you getting it yet? You have no proof that Orion would beat Thor whereas Thor has so many feats that you could not begin to launch a feat war against him using Orion's feats. You keep talking about Orion's tech, but seem to forget that Thor has a game changer called Mjolnir, and can whip up planetary level storms with or without it. Thor can also go into Warrior madness that amplifies his stats 10 fold.

What you want for people to say is that Orion would roll over Thor, but unfortunately for you that just won't happen. Instead you post an unsuspecting Thor being cheap shotted by a guy that can fold Adamantium, and try to play it off like it wouldn't have done anything to Orion, because your version of Orion is invincible despite having recently been KTFO. "Thor has taken out Gladiator who is actually faster than Orion."

Gladiator is not faster than orion in reaction time, gladiator literally has almost zero reaction time feats. You have still yet to show how thor can match speed with orion. In my opinion the 1st round is much more even than the second but thor is still not as fast as orion. Thor is not even as fast as wolverine.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114474/3575114-thor.jpg

How does thor harm someone he cannot touch? Superman is also much more durable than thor in my opinion and we all know what orion did to superman.

New 52 orion has taken hits from superman, superman who did this:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111137388/4038349-6191041776-LHftX.jpg

Along with MMH superman moved this ship and superman benched the earth for 5 days straight.

Orion took a huge amount of punches from superman and did not even flinch.

So tell me how does thor touch orion.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/85165/1768545-astro_2.jpg

Orions astro force can also stop attacks.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/pic005-1.jpg

If orion can do this to the faster and much more durable superman in 1 shot, he can take out thor.

Superman and Thor do not have the same resistances though. What may hurt Superman, may not do more than sting Thor when it comes to metaphysical forces. This is why I said that you can not really use Superman to disprove Thor. When was the last time Superman pulled an immortal's soul out of them? That's just an example. They don't have the same power set. Thor is actually more powerful than Superman in terms of what he can actually do with his powers. He isn't as durable or strong as Superman to regular attacks, or lifting feats, but neither is Orion.

Gladiator is so fast that Reed had to use a time dilation device to keep up with him. Who are you kidding? You saying that Gladiator does not have Orion's reaction feats is like me saying that Orion doesn't have the amount of appearances that Thor, Superman, or any other main character has. This does not somehow mean that he does not have greater reaction ability than Orion. If Orion went head to head with the Destroyer with Loki's soul animating it, he would be beaten just like Thor would be.

You claiming that Thor would not be able to touch Orion is disproved by his ability to beat Gladiator. If Wolverine was in a comic with Orion he would hit Orion as well, because that's what makes a comic worth reading. Thor would never have to be touched by Wolverine if you take the time to think about it. I have not said who would win, i have no proof that this wouldn't be more than a stalemate in either scenarios. You on the other hand have not proved that Orion would win, because like I said, Thor has feats to counter all of the scans that you presented. If you don't want to delve into his respect section to see this, that is on you. I just gave you a reason why I think that this would more than likely go down to a stalemate between them. You believe that Orion would win, but i have yet to see why.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Did Thor defeat Glory on his own power?

Orion matched and contained universal destroying energies with the Astro Force.

It was a plot win, but I used glory to show that Thor is resourceful enough to beat major odds. Glory was a gestalt of a pantheon 1000's of deities, and the realms that they lived in. Thor should have been wiped out in an instant, which goes to show just how tough he actually is. How would Orion have done?

Originally posted by thingy150
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/pic005-1.jpg

If orion can do this to the faster and much more durable superman in 1 shot, he can take out thor.

I'm not convinced. Thor has taken hits just like it, and came out fine. You don't seem to understand that what may effect Superman, may not have the same effect on Thor. Not sure why you aren't understanding that?

When has Superman ever been able to do this?

Originally posted by Child Rebel
Thor warps the universe to send Surtur and Ymir to an alternate dimension.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/Thorelementals1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/Thorelementals2.jpg

Thor #387

Thor draws the magnetic energy from the core of the planet Pangoria to attack Exitar the celestial.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/Thor387-20.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/Thor387-21.jpg

Originally posted by Stoic
Superman and Thor do not have the same resistances though. What may hurt Superman, may not do more than sting Thor when it comes to metaphysical forces. This is why I said that you can not really use Superman to disprove Thor. When was the last time Superman pulled an immortal's soul out of them? That's just an example. They don't have the same power set. Thor is actually more powerful than Superman in terms of what he can actually do with his powers. He isn't as durable or strong as Superman to regular attacks, or lifting feats, but neither is Orion.

Gladiator is so fast that Reed had to use a time dilation device to keep up with him. Who are you kidding? You saying that Gladiator does not have Orion's reaction feats is like me saying that Orion doesn't have the amount of appearances that Thor, Superman, or any other main character has. This does not somehow mean that he does not have greater reaction ability than Orion. If Orion went head to head with the Destroyer with Loki's soul animating it, he would be beaten just like Thor would be.

You claiming that Thor would not be able to touch Orion is disproved by his ability to beat Gladiator. If Wolverine was in a comic with Orion he would hit Orion as well, because that's what makes a comic worth reading. Thor would never have to be touched by Wolverine if you take the time to think about it. I have not said who would win, i have no proof that this wouldn't be more than a stalemate in either scenarios. You on the other hand have not proved that Orion would win, because like I said, Thor has feats to counter all of the scans that you presented. If you don't want to delve into his respect section to see this, that is on you. I just gave you a reason why I think that this would more than likely go down to a stalemate between them. You believe that Orion would win, but i have yet to see why.



It was a plot win, but I used glory to show that Thor is resourceful enough to beat major odds. Glory was a gestalt of a pantheon 1000's of deities, and the realms that they lived in. Thor should have been wiped out in an instant, which goes to show just how tough he actually is. How would Orion have done?

So it wasn't under his own power then? Glory was above him.

So is Galactus

Originally posted by Child Rebel
Thor vs. Galactus

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/ThorvsGalactusfirst1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/ThorvsGalactusfirst2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/ThorvsGalactusfirst3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/ThorvsGalactusfirst4.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/ThorvsGalactusfirst5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/ThorvsGalactusfirst6.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/ThorvsGalactusfirst7.jpg

Orion has had similar fights. The Ecruos for example. Outsmarted and used it's own power on him.

So, I still say split and orion edges him out in a HTH fight.

Originally posted by Stoic
Superman and Thor do not have the same resistances though. What may hurt Superman, may not do more than sting Thor when it comes to metaphysical forces. This is why I said that you can not really use Superman to disprove Thor. When was the last time Superman pulled an immortal's soul out of them? That's just an example. They don't have the same power set. Thor is actually more powerful than Superman in terms of what he can actually do with his powers. He isn't as durable or strong as Superman to regular attacks, or lifting feats, but neither is Orion.

Gladiator is so fast that Reed had to use a time dilation device to keep up with him. Who are you kidding? You saying that Gladiator does not have Orion's reaction feats is like me saying that Orion doesn't have the amount of appearances that Thor, Superman, or any other main character has. This does not somehow mean that he does not have greater reaction ability than Orion. If Orion went head to head with the Destroyer with Loki's soul animating it, he would be beaten just like Thor would be.

You claiming that Thor would not be able to touch Orion is disproved by his ability to beat Gladiator. If Wolverine was in a comic with Orion he would hit Orion as well, because that's what makes a comic worth reading. Thor would never have to be touched by Wolverine if you take the time to think about it. I have not said who would win, i have no proof that this wouldn't be more than a stalemate in either scenarios. You on the other hand have not proved that Orion would win, because like I said, Thor has feats to counter all of the scans that you presented. If you don't want to delve into his respect section to see this, that is on you. I just gave you a reason why I think that this would more than likely go down to a stalemate between them. You believe that Orion would win, but i have yet to see why.



It was a plot win, but I used glory to show that Thor is resourceful enough to beat major odds. Glory was a gestalt of a pantheon 1000's of deities, and the realms that they lived in. Thor should have been wiped out in an instant, which goes to show just how tough he actually is. How would Orion have done?

Lol really, your argument is that orions astro force might not hurt thor, is there any way you can prove this? What makes thor immune to the astro force huh? Because you said so, you are going to have to try harder.

"You claiming that thor would not be able to touch orion is disproved by his ability to beat gladiator"

Are you literate? I already disproved your theory, gladiator does not have any reaction feats to contend with orion, gladiator is fast but he does not have any reaction time feats. Thor is not even as fast as wolverine which i already showed so how is he going to keep up with orion? You completely ignored what i said in my post and now you are trying to say that the astro force would not affect thor(you never came up with a reason why).

Orion is faster, stronger, more durable and is more ruthless.

If orion can do this to darkseid: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/67877/2412022-countdown2p19.jpg

darkseid who has literally back handed superman

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11113/111135095/4068347-4025757-supermanconfidential08_19.jpg

and hit superman away with ease
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11113/111135095/4167975-cosmic_odyssey_tpb_031.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11113/111135095/4167976-cosmic_odyssey_tpb_032.jpg

Orion has tanked darkseids omega beams which have put down superman and lobo easily

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/134477/2597451-NewGodsv3_08-21.jpg


Orion is faster and you have yet to pull up anything that proves otherwise and your gladiator speed feats have easily been disproven.

Thor takes on Arishem the Celestial.

Originally posted by Child Rebel
Thor vs. Arshiem the Celestial

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/thor30030le2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/thor30031pw4.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/thor30032sw7.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/thor30033nn7.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/thor30034lv6.jpg

Originally posted by thingy150
Lol really, your argument is that orions astro force might not hurt thor, is there any way you can prove this? What makes thor immune to the astro force huh? Because you said so, you are going to have to try harder.

"You claiming that thor would not be able to touch orion is disproved by his ability to beat gladiator"

Are you literate? I already disproved your theory, gladiator does not have any reaction feats to contend with orion, gladiator is fast but he does not have any reaction time feats. Thor is not even as fast as wolverine which i already showed so how is he going to keep up with orion? You completely ignored what i said in my post and now you are trying to say that the astro force would not affect thor(you never came up with a reason why).

Orion is faster, stronger, more durable and is more ruthless.

If orion can do this to darkseid: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/67877/2412022-countdown2p19.jpg

darkseid who has literally back handed superman

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11113/111135095/4068347-4025757-supermanconfidential08_19.jpg

and hit superman away with ease
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11113/111135095/4167975-cosmic_odyssey_tpb_031.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11113/111135095/4167976-cosmic_odyssey_tpb_032.jpg

Orion has tanked darkseids omega beams which have put down superman and lobo easily

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/134477/2597451-NewGodsv3_08-21.jpg


Orion is faster and you have yet to pull up anything that proves otherwise and your gladiator speed feats have easily been disproven.

You should post his fight with The Ecruos.

DONG Orion was such a beastly showing. Batting away the JLA and OWNING Darkseid.

Even Simonson said Orion had the upper hand on Darkseid.

Originally posted by Stoic
So is Galactus

Lol classic thor and classic galactus are extremely different now, galactus is far above him and thor has gone down in power level. This is not classic thor, classic thor is extremely different then he is now.

Originally posted by Golgo13
You should post his fight with The Ecruos.


I will see if i can find it

Originally posted by thingy150
Lol really, your argument is that orions astro force might not hurt thor, is there any way you can prove this? What makes thor immune to the astro force huh? Because you said so, you are going to have to try harder.

"You claiming that thor would not be able to touch orion is disproved by his ability to beat gladiator"

Are you literate? I already disproved your theory, gladiator does not have any reaction feats to contend with orion, gladiator is fast but he does not have any reaction time feats. Thor is not even as fast as wolverine which i already showed so how is he going to keep up with orion? You completely ignored what i said in my post and now you are trying to say that the astro force would not affect thor(you never came up with a reason why).

Orion is faster, stronger, more durable and is more ruthless.

If orion can do this to darkseid: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/67877/2412022-countdown2p19.jpg

darkseid who has literally back handed superman

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11113/111135095/4068347-4025757-supermanconfidential08_19.jpg

and hit superman away with ease
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11113/111135095/4167975-cosmic_odyssey_tpb_031.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11113/111135095/4167976-cosmic_odyssey_tpb_032.jpg

Orion has tanked darkseids omega beams which have put down superman and lobo easily

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/134477/2597451-NewGodsv3_08-21.jpg


Orion is faster and you have yet to pull up anything that proves otherwise and your gladiator speed feats have easily been disproven.

You sure that you want to get into a feat war? I can keep bringing out new one, while you will only be able to rehash ones that Orion has been through with Darkseid, who happens to be his biggest pay day. I'm not saying that the Astro Force would not hurt him, but it may not have the same effect on him as it would Superman. Thor has his own methods of mitigating damage. This is something that you may not be able to see. Superman does not have a nearly indestructible hammer. Why keep bringing him up? Oh because that's another one of the reasons that you believe that Orion wins this. On the other hand, Thor has dealt with characters more powerful than Darkseid or Superman, and is still around to tell the tale. Should we continue to go feat for feat? Thor has some pretty ridiculous ones in his respect section.

Originally posted by thingy150
Lol classic thor and classic galactus are extremely different now, galactus is far above him and thor has gone down in power level. This is not classic thor, classic thor is extremely different then he is now.

Marvel does not have a pre crisis era that erased everything of the past. Thor is still Thor, and he was actually stated to be more powerful than he was in the past after his resurrection.

Originally posted by Stoic
You sure that you want to get into a feat war? I can keep bringing out new one, while you will only be able to rehash ones that Orion has been through with Darkseid, who happens to be his biggest pay day. I'm not saying that the Astro Force would not hurt him, but it may not have the same effect on him as it would Superman. Thor has his own methods of mitigating damage. This is something that you may not be able to see. Superman does not have a nearly indestructible hammer. Why keep bringing him up? Oh because that's another one of the reasons that you believe that Orion wins this. On the other hand, Thor has dealt with characters more powerful than Darkseid or Superman, and is still around to tell the tale. Should we continue to go feat for feat? Thor has some pretty ridiculous ones in his respect section.

Of course Orion wouldn't win a feat war. He doesn't have as much appearances. You don't have to win a feat war to be on someones level. Wraith has less feats than either of them, but would kick the crap out of Thor or Orion.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Of course Orion wouldn't win a feat war. He doesn't have as much appearances. You don't have to win a feat war to be on someones level. Wraith has less feats than either of them, but would kick the crap out of Thor or Orion.

I know that. I stand by my first statement on the matter. Thingy wants to keep posting scans on why he thinks Orion wins. I am showing him that Thor has feats that match Orion's.

Originally posted by thingy150
How does thor beat him?
Better feats.

Originally posted by Stoic
I know that. I stand by my first statement on the matter. Thingy wants to keep posting scans on why he thinks Orion wins. I am showing him that Thor has feats that match Orion's.

Yes, he does. So, I guess we're still in agreement.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Yes, he does. So, I guess we're still in agreement.

Pretty much.

Originally posted by Stoic
You sure that you want to get into a feat war? I can keep bringing out new one, while you will only be able to rehash ones that Orion has been through with Darkseid, who happens to be his biggest pay day. I'm not saying that the Astro Force would not hurt him, but it may not have the same effect on him as it would Superman. Thor has his own methods of mitigating damage. This is something that you may not be able to see. Superman does not have a nearly indestructible hammer. Why keep bringing him up? Oh because that's another one of the reasons that you believe that Orion wins this. On the other hand, Thor has dealt with characters more powerful than Darkseid or Superman, and is still around to tell the tale. Should we continue to go feat for feat? Thor has some pretty ridiculous ones in his respect section.



Good job ignoring speed again, what good will your scans do when you have still not proven thor can touch him. Orion has taken on mantis whose blasts can shatter solar systems.

Mantis destroyed MMH, green lantern and legion of superheroes and orion took him on.

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/NewGods10-15_Earth--The_Doomed_Dominion.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/NewGods10-16_Earth--The_Doomed_Dominion.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/NewGods10-19_Earth--The_Doomed_Dominion.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/NewGods10-20_Earth--The_Doomed_Dominion.jpg

This is only one of the times orion has taken on mantis, he has fought him twice.

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Response.jpg

Here is another scan of orion defeating kalibak but this time kalibak was channeling darkseids power.

You have still yet to show that thor can match speed with orion(he cant)

Originally posted by Stoic
I know that. I stand by my first statement on the matter. Thingy wants to keep posting scans on why he thinks Orion wins. I am showing him that Thor has feats that match Orion's.


You have not shown any feats that match orion(especially in speed)

Still waiting on you to counter my speed feats, looks like it must have slipped your mind.

I now have the scans of orion fighting mantis, your toast.

Originally posted by thingy150
Good job ignoring speed again, what good will your scans do when you have still not proven thor can touch him. Orion has taken on mantis whose blasts can shatter solar systems.

Mantis destroyed MMH, green lantern and legion of superheroes and orion took him on.

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/NewGods10-15_Earth--The_Doomed_Dominion.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/NewGods10-16_Earth--The_Doomed_Dominion.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/NewGods10-19_Earth--The_Doomed_Dominion.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/NewGods10-20_Earth--The_Doomed_Dominion.jpg

This is only one of the times orion has taken on mantis, he has fought him twice.

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Response.jpg

Here is another scan of orion defeating kalibak but this time kalibak was channeling darkseids power.

You have still yet to show that thor can match speed with orion(he cant)

Well he did beat Gladiator, and Gladiator is faster than Orion. So I guess I'm not the only one ignoring context. Oh and Thor would destroy Mantis.

Originally posted by Stoic
Well he did beat Gladiator, and Gladiator is faster than Orion. So I guess I'm not the only one ignoring context. Oh and Thor would destroy Mantis.

Lol you dont know anything about mantis and i already disproved your gladiator theory twice.

Glads does not have any reaction time feats, he only has superspeed, orion has far faster reaction time than thor that is why he cant touch orion.

Thor is even slower than wolverine and spiderman when it comes to reaction time.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103530/2424250-1.png

Your argument just got shredded again.

Are you just going to continue to use gladiator to further your argument when i have already ripped that argument to bits 3 times, you ignored me each one of those times.

Originally posted by thingy150
Lol you dont know anything about mantis and i already disproved your gladiator theory twice.

Glads does not have any reaction time feats, he only has superspeed, orion has far faster reaction time than thor that is why he cant touch orion.

Thor is even slower than wolverine and spiderman when it comes to reaction time.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103530/2424250-1.png

Your argument just got shredded again.

You didn't disprove anything, you just disagreed with it. You're wrong but what's new? By the way are those Mantis scans Pre Crisis? Didn't you know that Pre Crisis is not canon to present day characters? You can't have it both ways champ.

Thor never has to allow Spider Man or Wolverine to get within striking distance, or have you forgotten that he can call on winds capable of blowing mountains away? You know CIS, and PIS happen in comics to give the reader a better story. Thor would perma kill both Spider Man, and Wolverine in less time that it took for you to try to low ball Thor. Good show.

I would say on average they are about equal but Thor takes it h2h imo

Originally posted by iceman24567
I would say on average they are about equal but Thor takes it h2h imo

Didn't Thor lose to Angela in HTH? Orion is a better fighter, IMO.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Didn't Thor lose to Angela in HTH? Orion is a better fighter, IMO. Nah i dont see Orion being the better brawler

Originally posted by Stoic
You didn't disprove anything, you just disagreed with it. You're wrong but what's new? By the way are those Mantis scans Pre Crisis? Didn't you know that Pre Crisis is not canon to present day characters? You can't have it both ways champ.

Thor never has to allow Spider Man or Wolverine to get within striking distance, or have you forgotten that he can call on winds capable of blowing mountains away? You know CIS, and PIS happen in comics to give the reader a better story. Thor would perma kill both Spider Man, and Wolverine in less time that it took for you to try to low ball Thor. Good show.

Orion has stayed the same level all the way through pre crisis and post, he does not have as many scans as thor does and just about all the scans you listed were classic thor. If you don't want pre crisis then fine but don't act like orions power level is different other wise.

All of my feats are post crisis except for mantis and i think he fought mantis post crisis also.

I never low balled thor, i showed you feats of his pathetic reaction time. You don't have an argument against orions speed advantage so you are getting flustered. Thor wont be able to lay a finger on him, orion will hit him with his astro force and thor will go down. Orion wins round 1 i have already proven this to be true, why don't you argue about round 2.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Didn't Thor lose to Angela in HTH? Orion is a better fighter, IMO.

Thor wasn't at full power, and Angela isn't weak by any stretch of the imagination.

Originally posted by Stoic
Thor wasn't at full power, and Angela isn't weak by any stretch of the imagination.

It looks like it was a similar fight with Mantis. Orion wasn't at full power (Pacifist mode, IIRC), yet Orion managed to put her on the ropes in the end. Mantis was stated to be one of the best Martial artists in the universe in that issue, IIRC.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Orion/orionastroforce1.jpg

Orion can use his astro force to shield himself from attacks, he used it to block darkseids omega beams....he can block thors shots

Originally posted by thingy150
Orion has stayed the same level all the way through pre crisis and post, he does not have as many scans as thor does and just about all the scans you listed were classic thor. If you don't want pre crisis then fine but don't act like orions power level is different other wise.

All of my feats are post crisis except for mantis and i think he fought mantis post crisis also.

I never low balled thor, i showed you feats of his pathetic reaction time. You don't have an argument against orions speed advantage so you are getting flustered. Thor wont be able to lay a finger on him, orion will hit him with his astro force and thor will go down. Orion wins round 1 i have already proven this to be true, why don't you argue about round 2.

That does not matter. Pre Crisis is not canon to present day characters. You have to come up with more footage than that. Those scans are to be ignored like they did not ever happen according to forum rules.

He did fight Mantis post Crisis. Death of the New Gods shows how far above Mantis Orion actually is, and to be honest Orion made Mantis look pretty pitiful. Thor would take him out as well IMO.

You are bringing up low showings in order to make it seem like Thor can't deal with speed, when he was actually dealing with uncanny agility, and unorthodox fighting styles. Most characters would be slightly put off by a nearly indestructible berserker with razor sharp claws, and a crazy healing factor. Again in a forum math Thor never has to allow either of them to get within striking distance. You bringing this up on more than one occasion shows me that you are attempting to undermine Thor's capabilities, which comes off like a low ball. This doesn't surprise me after you posting Thor being blind sided by the Hulk, while not suspecting that his mind was taken over by Thanos.

So yes you are low balling. Gladiator is faster than Orion. Thor has beaten him which shows that he can deal with Orion's speed. You disagree, but have yet to mention why? Even if you mentioned it, it does not take away from the fact that Gladiator is faster than Orion.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Orion/orionbullettime.jpg

Orion says he can easily dodge bullets(and i already have scans of him catching one while blind)

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Orion/oriondisintegration.jpg

The astro force can disintegrate things on a sub atomic level.

I have scans of him taking on the JLA and humiliating superman also/

Originally posted by thingy150
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Orion/orionastroforce1.jpg

Orion can use his astro force to shield himself from attacks, he used it to block darkseids omega beams....he can block thors shots


Thor can use Mjolnir to shield himself from Orion's Astro Force. What else do you have?

I wonder what shields are more durable?

Originally posted by Stoic
That does not matter. Pre Crisis is not canon to present day characters. You have to come up with more footage than that. Those scans are to be ignored like they did not ever happen according to forum rules.

He did fight Mantis post Crisis. Death of the New Gods shows how far above Mantis Orion actually is, and to be honest Orion made Mantis look pretty pitiful. Thor would take him out as well IMO.

You are bringing up low showings in order to make it seem like Thor can't deal with speed, when he was actually dealing with uncanny agility, and unorthodox fighting styles. Most characters would be slightly put off by a nearly indestructible berserker with razor sharp claws, and a crazy healing factor. Again in a forum math Thor never has to allow either of them to get within striking distance. You bringing this up on more than one occasion shows me that you are attempting to undermine Thor's capabilities, which comes off like a low ball. This doesn't surprise me after you posting Thor being blind sided by the Hulk, while not suspecting that his mind was taken over by Thanos.

So yes you are low balling. Gladiator is faster than Orion. Thor has beaten him which shows that he can deal with Orion's speed. You disagree, but have yet to mention why? Even if you mentioned it, it does not take away from the fact that Gladiator is faster than Orion.

I have already disproved that gladiator is faster than orion, get some scans try and prove otherwise. Gladiator does not have REACTION TIME feats. Just stop lying and saying he is faster than orion. Thor is slower than wolverine in reaction time, fighting gladiator is not a reaction time feat because gladiator does not have reaction time feats himself. Your argument has been destroyed so now you are just making things up and providing no evidence.

You have provided no scans and your argument is full of lies such as gladiator having reaction time to match orion.

If you want to prove gladiator has reaction time on par with orion, provide scans, the reason you wont is because the scans don't exist.

PROVIDE REACTION TIME FEATS IT IS THAT SIMPLE, YOU HAVE YET TO PROVE ANYTHING.

Originally posted by Stoic
Thor can use Mjolnir to shield himself from Orion's Astro Force. What else do you have?


Use scans, you have not proven anything because you wont sue scans, you saying things does not do anything to further the thread. Is it really that hard to understand? Are you joking right now?

Lol@ Gladiator not having reaction fts when he has light speed punching fts.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol@ Gladiator not having reaction fts when he has light speed punching fts.


Reaction and speed are 2 different things, he has good speed feats but he does not have the reaction feats to contend with orion.

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9357/orion05p19.th.jpg
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7425/orion05p20.th.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4985/orion05p21.th.jpg

Just like he does to darkseids omega beams he could reverse thors attacks.

Originally posted by thingy150
I have already disproved that gladiator is faster than orion, get some scans try and prove otherwise. Gladiator does not have REACTION TIME feats. Just stop lying and saying he is faster than orion. Thor is slower than wolverine in reaction time, fighting gladiator is not a reaction time feat because gladiator does not have reaction time feats himself. Your argument has been destroyed so now you are just making things up and providing no evidence.

You have provided no scans and your argument is full of lies such as gladiator having reaction time to match orion.

If you want to prove gladiator has reaction time on par with orion, provide scans, the reason you wont is because the scans don't exist.

PROVIDE REACTION TIME FEATS IT IS THAT SIMPLE, YOU HAVE YET TO PROVE ANYTHING.

Gladiator is so fast that Reed Richards had to use a time dilation device to keep up with him. When did anyone ever have to do that with Orion? I don't have to provide reaction feats if there are none to give. How about I ask you to go feat for feat with Thor and Orion? You can't you know why? Because Orion does not have as many appearances as Thor does, or half as many feats. You would lose a feat war. Gladiator is a D list character, so he does not have the appearances that Orion has. This does not somehow mean that a guy that needs time dilation devices to keep up with him can not react faster than Orion. You should be careful of attempting to be so demanding, or I can demand that you match feat for feat between Thor, and Orion, knowing full well that you would not be able to keep up. So try to keep up.

Orion is actually pretty slow for his weight class

Originally posted by carver9
Lol@ Gladiator not having reaction fts when he has light speed punching fts.

I know right. I said that Gladiator was faster than Orion, and he comes up with reaction feats which in his mind somehow shut down that Thor is capable of of beating very fast opponents that actually use their speed in fights.

Originally posted by Stoic
Gladiator is so fast that Reed Richards had to use a time dilation device to keep up with him. When did anyone ever have to do that with Orion? I don't have to provide reaction feats if there are none to give. How about I ask you to go feat for feat with Thor and Orion? You can't you know why? Because Orion does not have as many appearances as Thor does, or half as many feats. You would lose a feat war. Gladiator is a D list character, so he does not have the appearances that Orion has. This does not somehow mean that a guy that needs time dilation devices to keep up with him can not react faster than Orion. You should be careful of attempting to be so demanding, or I can demand that you match feat for feat between Thor, and Orion, knowing full well that you would not be able to keep up. So try to keep up.

Lol i already have a reaction feat that is thors, glads feats do not transfer when thor already has one of his own that is basically pathetic.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114474/3575114-thor.jpg

I have already showed this but clearly you have not listened, thor says himself that wolverine is faster...that is how bad thors reaction time is, wolverine is faster than him.

What are you talking about "gladiator is a D list character so he does not have the appearances that orion has" lol this does nothing to further your debate and orion is a D list character also so what are you talking about.

You have done nothing to counter any of my scans.

Originally posted by Stoic
I know right. I said that Gladiator was faster than Orion, and he comes up with reaction feats which in his mind somehow shut down that Thor is capable of of beating very fast opponents that actually use their speed in fights.

Thor not being as fast as wolverine shut your argument up and the fact that you have not proven any of your claims about gladiator..all of your posts are just you talking no scans no logic just you babbling.

Originally posted by thingy150
Lol i already have a reaction feat that is thors, glads feats do not transfer when thor already has one of his own that is basically pathetic.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114474/3575114-thor.jpg

I have already showed this but clearly you have not listened, thor says himself that wolverine is faster...that is how bad thors reaction time is, wolverine is faster than him.

What are you talking about "gladiator is a D list character so he does not have the appearances that orion has" lol this does nothing to further your debate and orion is a D list character also so what are you talking about.

You have done nothing to counter any of my scans.

No, you want to know what's pathetic? Someone not using their brains to come to the simple conclusion that if character A is capable of moving beyond light speed, that they would not have the capacity to react or dodge something moving towards them at a slower rate of speed than they are capable of, when they can avoid collisions while moving at the speed that they are actually capable of. It goes without saying that Gladiator has the reactions of a character that can move as fast as he does. This is basic logic unless you believe that Gladiator crashes into objects regularly, while flying through space? I mean is that what you actually believe?

Also being a D list character means that he has far less feats, and appearances than an A list character. Did I really have to explain that to you? i mean honestly, he only has so many appearances, and he's been around for decades.

I have also already told you that Wolverine would never defeat Thor in a forum match. Do you know why?

Originally posted by thingy150
Reaction and speed are 2 different things, he has good speed feats but he does not have the reaction feats to contend with orion.

Originally posted by Stoic
No, you want to know what's pathetic? Someone not using their brains to come to the simple conclusion that if character A is capable of moving beyond light speed, that they would not have the capacity to react or dodge something moving towards them at a slower rate of speed than they are capable of, when they can avoid collisions while moving at the speed that they are actually capable of. It goes without saying that Gladiator has the reactions of a character that can move as fast as he does. This is basic logic unless you believe that Gladiator crashes into objects regularly, while flying through space? I mean is that what you actually believe?

Also being a D list character means that he has far less feats, and appearances than an A list character. Did I really have to explain that to you? i mean honestly, he only has so many appearances, and he's been around for decades.

I have also already told you that Wolverine would never defeat Thor in a forum match. Do you know why?


Are you joking, speed does not mean reaction time, there are multiple characters who only have superspeed, it has never been shown or stated what gladiator reaction time is and gladiator was rushed by hulk. SPEED DOES NOT MEAN REACTION TIME, NOW YOU HAVE TO PULL STUFF OUT OF YOUR A$$ JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE LOSING THIS ARGUMENT. Thor is slower than wolverine, that does not mean wolverine would beat him in a fight but he is slower(as stated by thor himself)

A character being unpopular does not mean you get to make up that characters reaction time, so stop trying to.

You have no scans of gladiator going really fast and not crashing into thing. The only scan he has of him being stated of going ftl is when he was in space and not moving, this does nothing to further his reaction time. Your argument is started to bore me simply because you don't have one.

Orion is faster than thor, i have proven this, you have done nothing to counter that except for whine about canon scans and whine about gladiator being a d list character.

Originally posted by carver9


Do you seriously not understand that flight speed and reaction time are 2 different thing, Thor can go ftl but wolverine still has better reaction time than him.

Originally posted by thingy150
Do you seriously not understand that flight speed and reaction time are 2 different thing, Thor can go ftl but wolverine still has better reaction time than him.

Do you not understand that Gladiator has "punched" at light speed which means he has nano seconds reflexes?

Originally posted by carver9
Do you not understand that Gladiator has "punched" at light speed which means he has nano seconds reflexes?

Scans sweetie pie

And that does not change the fact that thor is slower than wolverine...LOL

Originally posted by thingy150
And that does not change the fact that thor is slower than wolverine...LOL

Fortunately one 7 page comic by frank tieri does not invalidate Thor's speed feats prior to and after that

Not slower than Wolverine.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Fortunately one 7 page comic by frank tieri does not invalidate Thor's speed feats prior to and after that

Not slower than Wolverine.


What would those REACTION TIME feats be? Thor does not have any on par with orion, hell he does not have any at all.

Thor wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor wins.

Reasons?

Originally posted by thingy150
And that does not change the fact that thor is slower than wolverine...LOL

You ignore scans worse than anyone I've met on KMC. I'm not posting anything for you. Find it yourself.

Originally posted by thingy150
What would those REACTION TIME feats be? Thor does not have any on par with orion, hell he does not have any at all.

Sure he does, he has plenty.

Read some comics

Originally posted by carver9
You ignore scans worse than anyone I've met on KMC. I'm not posting anything for you. Find it yourself.

I ignore scans that you did not post.....ok

You completely ignored captain atoms speed, time travel, molecule/atom manipulation, absorbing energy/radiation...you literally ignore everything that makes an argument against hulk because you are a fanboy.


You are literally the biggest hypocrite i have ever met.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Sure he does, he has plenty.

Read some comics


That is the problem with you and everyone else i have destroyed debating in this thread, you just say things, you don't show them and half of the time they are blatant lies.

And now you try and mock me and add a smiley face to try and hide the fact that you can't and wont provide scans because you are not smart enough....Good job kid

Originally posted by Golgo13
It looks like it was a similar fight with Mantis. Orion wasn't at full power (Pacifist mode, IIRC), yet Orion managed to put her on the ropes in the end. Mantis was stated to be one of the best Martial artists in the universe in that issue, IIRC. Thor was exhausted and didn't have any heart for battle by his own admission. Which is supported by how he handled Angela quite quickly in their rematch. Was Orion exhausted when he faced Mantis?

Also, split 5/10 in both.

Originally posted by ODG
Thor was exhausted and didn't have any heart for battle by his own admission. Which is supported by how he handled Angela quite quickly in their rematch. Was Orion exhausted when he faced Mantis?

Also, split 5/10 in both.

Where have you been brother?

Originally posted by thingy150
That is the problem with you and everyone else i have destroyed debating in this thread, you just say things, you don't show them and half of the time they are blatant lies.

And now you try and mock me and add a smiley face to try and hide the fact that you can't and wont provide scans because you are not smart enough....Good job kid

Keep trolling.

Bada will show you were the door is eventually.

Peruse the respect thread will waiting for your ban.

Originally posted by ODG
Thor was exhausted and didn't have any heart for battle by his own admission. Which is supported by how he handled Angela quite quickly in their rematch. Was Orion exhausted when he faced Mantis?

Also, split 5/10 in both.

ODG!

Yeah, I go with split.

BTW, have you read Godhead, yet?

Originally posted by krisblaze
Keep trolling.

Bada will show you were the door is eventually.

Peruse the respect thread will waiting for your ban.

Is that a joke? How am i trolling when i have been using feats to fuel my solid argument? I disproved you and all you said was "sure he does, he has plenty" your argument holds literally zero validity because you have used nothing to back it up.

How am i going to get a ban for you telling me to "read some comics" because you don't have the evidence to prove your point.


Okay?

Originally posted by thingy150
Is that a joke? How am i trolling when i have been using feats to fuel my solid argument? I disproved you and all you said was "sure he does, he has plenty" your argument holds literally zero validity because you have used nothing to back it up.

How am i going to get a ban for you telling me to "read some comics" because you don't have the evidence to prove your point.


Okay?

Well your only semi solid point was that Thor wouldn't be able to react to Orion's speed. But then we see that Thor is capable of defeating a faster character than Orion in Gladiator, and all you can say is that Gladiator doesn't have the reaction feats to compare to Orion who happens to be slower than Gladiator. That wasn't something that you wanted to deal with so you ran back to reaction feats when we were talking about speed. Then you realized that in order for a light speed fast character to actually make sense, he or she would have to have incredibly fast reactions by proxy. But then because of the type of person that you are (filled with lies and deceit) decided that Gladiator is not applicable to the situation, in order for you to go back, and attempt to low ball the shit out of Thor to the point of posting an unsuspecting Thor being hit by one of the strongest characters to ever be written in a comic. Sound about right to you?

How about this. Tell one of your friends (if you have any) to punch you in the face while you aren't expecting it (really hard), and if you live come back and tell us how that went for you.

Originally posted by thingy150
Is that a joke? How am i trolling when i have been using feats to fuel my solid argument? I disproved you and all you said was "sure he does, he has plenty" your argument holds literally zero validity because you have used nothing to back it up.

How am i going to get a ban for you telling me to "read some comics" because you don't have the evidence to prove your point.


Okay?

There's no reasoable discourse to be had with you, if you already need to be convinced that he's faster than Wolverine.

Anyone who's ever read any of the comics, or taken their time to look through even the most meagre respect thread should know that's not the case.

Originally posted by krisblaze
There's no reasoable discourse to be had with you, if you already need to be convinced that he's faster than Wolverine.

Anyone who's ever read any of the comics, or taken their time to look through even the most meagre respect thread should know that's not the case.


Cool, you have still not proven this and i have put up scans that prove otherwise, you saying he is does not further the argument, you need to show me.

Prove your point.

Originally posted by thingy150
Cool, you have still not proven this and i have put up scans that prove otherwise, you saying he is does not further the argument, you need to show me.

Prove your point.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t522796.html

Originally posted by krisblaze
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t522796.html

Are you really so naive to think that a respect thread proves your point? You have no scans to match the ones i already put out, i have already proved that orion is faster than thor. You throwing out a respect thread does nothing, i already know about thor and I have clearly won this argument if all you can do is throw a respect thread at me because you cant prove your point.

I didn't see any Wolverine scans.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTENbORTdgfEN_8sq_N3fAw-WDJRy5XpnF8-TlFBvB2WCJ8BX3z

What do you mean by that, do you mean that you did not see them in the respect thread so that they don't mean anything, that's not how it works lol.

But if you just mean that you did not see when i uploaded them(3 times) then i reuploaded them

thingy you havent actually proven Orion is faster

Thingy 10, the rest 0.

Originally posted by iceman24567
thingy you havent actually proven Orion is faster

I have multiple scans on previous pages.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111139323/3492624-astroforceblitzesfleet.jpg

Here he blitzes an entire star fleet.

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/cac6c794.jpg

runs completely around a block or building before someone trying to run has a chance to take a few steps.(this is speed not reaction time)

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/a286a3f9.jpg

While blind he catches a bullet shot at him from a few feet away.

And he has fought superman and handled supermans speed multiple times, we all know that being able to keep up with superman is a much better feat than being humiliated by wolverine.

Orions astro harness is fast enough to catch superman both in speed and when firing shots.

His astro force has said to be able to destroy planets.

orions astro harness can also block attacks and create force fields(it has easily reversed an omega beam back onto darkseid)

That is only proof if you ignore decades worth of Thor feats and stick to one showing of Wolverine outpacing him in one comic. Also Space cheese isnt impressive in the least. Again nothing you have shown proves Orion is actually faster

Originally posted by iceman24567
That is only proof if you ignore decades worth of Thor feats and stick to one showing of Wolverine outpacing him in one comic. Also Space cheese isnt impressive in the least. Again nothing you have shown proves Orion is actually faster


Again, if you are just going to come here and say things without proving it, why are you here? Just saying thor has decades of feats does not mean a thing. He has been outpaced by quicksilver, spiderman and wolverine. You are making claims that you have yet to prove, you have literally done nothing to further this thread or your points.

Originally posted by thingy150
Orions astro harness is fast enough to catch superman both in speed and when firing shots.

His astro force has said to be able to destroy planets.

orions astro harness can also block attacks and create force fields(it has easily reversed an omega beam back onto darkseid) You realize Thors hammer has intercept being with super speed on a regular basis? It also is able to block attacks of all kinds even attacks from trans and skyfather level characters. While i dont think its an easy win for either side i think you are overselling what Orion is capable of just a bit.

Originally posted by thingy150
Again, if you are just going to come here and say things without proving it, why are you here? Just saying thor has decades of feats does not mean a thing. He has been outpaced by quicksilver, spiderman and wolverine. You are making claims that you have yet to prove, you have literally done nothing to further this thread or your points. I am simply stating general knowledge. Nothing i have said is false so not sure what you are griping about.

Originally posted by iceman24567
You realize Thors hammer has intercept being with super speed on a regular basis? It also is able to block attacks of all kinds even attacks from trans and skyfather level characters. While i dont think its an easy win for either side i think you are overselling what Orion is capable of just a bit.


I have not over sold a thing, everything i have said i have backed up with scans. Orion has better reaction time than thor, i have proven this. Orion can block shots too along with the fact that his tech is more versatile. Orion can destroy planets with his astro force, thor does not have an attack that powerful(that he does not need to charge). Orion has one shotted superman who has shown to have far greater durability than thor himself. You are downplaying orion, it is not vice versa.

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/770/jkfw1710.th.jpg

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7425/orion05p20.th.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4985/orion05p21.th.jpg

These are two instances of him using his shields, the 1st one where he blocks new god tech(which is extremely powerful) the second set of scans he reverses darkseids omega beam.

Orion has got this.

His tech is more versatile? Not likely the numerous things his harness and mother box can do Thors hammer can do in spade. The sheer force of Thors attacks caused catastrophic damage to a distant planet. I disagree that Superman has far greater durability than Thor thats a pretty absurd thing to spout even considering Thors low end showings recently and from several years ago. It just shows you are severely underrating Thor which is sad this should be a good match up. Still think the first round is a split and Thor wins in h2h

Looks like someone is trying to lowball Thor. Hhhhhmmmm...Orion doesn't have a single strength ft that puts him in the Herald tier. Not one. The ones he have is, well, pretty bad. Here Orion picks up a large boulder to try and throw it at Firestorm and Firestorm turns it into metal. Look what happens.

http://s165.photobucket.com/user/Galan007/media-full//fs123.jpg.html

He can't even lift it. People like Hulk, Superman, and Thor would've tossed that with their pinky toe. Let's continue.

After he failed to lift it as shown in this scans as well, Firestorm traps him in a titanium cage...Ya know, the stuff that Spiderman and Colossus has ripped through.

http://s165.photobucket.com/user/Galan007/media-full//fs124.jpg.html

With that said, since we have no solid speed fts from Orion and his strength sucks, Thor one shot kills him.

Please continue.

"sigh" carver countering low balling with even more low balling "sigh"