DCnu Wonder Woman slug fest Gauntlet
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riv6672
Classic versions of listed characters.
5 minutes rest between fights for WW.
No weapons/flight/energy blasts/BFR/magic etc. if applicable for listed characters and WW.
Fights all in an open field.
Sasquatch
Strong Guy
Captain Britain
Doc Samson
Gilgamesh
Colossus
She-Hulk
Nova
Wonderman
Atlas
Listed characters were ordered completely at random, so, can WW clear/how far does she get?
krisblaze
She might clear, depending on what version of Captain Britain and Sasquatch.
Gilgamesh might take her.
riv6672
Originally posted by krisblaze
She might clear, depending on what version of Captain Britain and Sasquatch.
Gilgamesh might take her.
Like i said, classic versions. Didnt want to get jammed up on who got amped when with what...
Thanks for posting, BTW.
HulkIsHulk
Gigamesh has the best chance here.
riv6672
He's pretty strong, yeah.
I was trying to be as random as possible, so the characters arent all the usual suspects. I hadnt even thought of this guy till i ran across his name on Marvel Wiki.
Egghead
Wouldn't DCnu Wondy have a tough time with She-Hulk? Is this Jen Walters She-Hulk?
Reflassshh
Originally posted by carver9
DCNU WW clears.
riv6672
Interesting. So, she wont get worn down by the basically continuos fights? Thought that would be a big factor.
relentless1
Wonder Woman clears the gauntlet, nobody on that list is a credible threat h2h for diana
riv6672
So how quickly can she take them then? Thats still 10 back to back fights.
I mean, i have nonproblem with the consensus, just want to get more of a breakdown.
ODG
Originally posted by riv6672
Interesting. So, she wont get worn down by the basically continuos fights? Thought that would be a big factor. It is a big factor. No flying, straight H2H? It's too many opponents, not enough rest time.
thingy150
She easily beats a lot of them so i dont think that she would be that tired, she is stronger, faster and a better fighter so she wont be too exhausted after kicking their asses.
Some of the people she is fighting wont take more than 1-3 punches to put down, she wont be too tired after each fight.
She clears
krisblaze
Didn't consider the rest thing.
She's dead at Gilgamesh.
ODG
Originally posted by thingy150
She easily beats a lot of them so i dont think that she would be that tired, she is stronger, faster and a better fighter so she wont be too exhausted after kicking their asses.
Some of the people she is fighting wont take more than 1-3 punches to put down, she wont be too tired after each fight.
She clears I might take this post more seriously if I ever read a single comic where Wonder Woman even came close to performing such a beatdown on nearly a dozen opponents in succession.
pym-ftw
Walter beats her imho
abhilegend
Sasquatch beats her? Don't be ridiculous.
pym-ftw
In a fight where her best abilities are stripped from her? Sure he is a top Brick.
abhilegend
He is a mid level brick at best. Diana would steamroll him in h2h.
pym-ftw
He completely embarrassed an amped Super skull with a single punch
krisblaze
Originally posted by pym-ftw
In a fight where her best abilities are stripped from her? Sure he is a top Brick.
I disagree.
Tanaraq could beat her, but I don't see Walter taking her alone.
Sasquatch's admittedly been very strong even since the early alpha flight days, but aside from Omega Flight/One recent feat, he hasn't looked that strong imo.
At least not strong enough to handle Diana on his own, even if they are trading hits.
abhilegend
Originally posted by pym-ftw
He completely embarrassed an amped Super skull with a single punch
Who hasn't embarrased Super-Skrull? But if you're talking about this fight?
Alpha Flight #10 (Vol.1):
He beats the Super Skrull. First he goes toe to toe with him in strength and then beats him by playing possum and using his head
1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/AlphaFlight010_04.jpg
2. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/AlphaFlight010_05.jpg
3. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF10a.jpg
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10. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF10h.jpg
11. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF10i.jpg
12. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF10j.jpg
13. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF10k.jpg
I don't see the embarrassment.
On the other hand, he admitted he was weaker than Thing.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/104794/2878549-letter_8.jpeg
pym-ftw
He fights Hulk for "fun" I can't imagine Diana overwhelming him.
Tamaraq would spite stomp her.
krisblaze
Despite Sasquatch's claims, he still have some feats that trump the Things.
Sasquatch could easily lift the X-Jet (at 400 ton) in the 80s, where as the Thing has struggled with 100 tons at times.
pym-ftw
Feats > Statements.
Flyattractor
Dosen't Strong Guy have some weird momentum absorption power?
Yes. I am to lazy to google.
pym-ftw
Originally posted by krisblaze
Despite Sasquatch's claims, he still have some feats that trump the Things.
Sasquatch could easily lift the X-Jet (at 400 ton) in the 80s, where as the Thing has struggled with 100 tons at times. He also pulled a tanker ship out of the ocean and through it on land.
abhilegend
Originally posted by pym-ftw
He fights Hulk for "fun" I can't imagine Diana overwhelming him.
Tamaraq would spite stomp her.
Rhino has fought Hulk for days. So has Thing. So?
Tanaraq is a different character.Originally posted by krisblaze
Despite Sasquatch's claims, he still have some feats that trump the Things.
Sasquatch could easily lift the X-Jet (at 400 ton) in the 80s, where as the Thing has struggled with 100 tons at times.
Individual feats are rarely indicative for gauging strength. Just take Superman/Captain Marvel as examples.Originally posted by pym-ftw
Feats > Statements. Originally posted by pym-ftw
He also pulled a tanker ship out of the ocean and through it on land.
Thing was slapping a living black hole around once too. So?
krisblaze
Abhi, Sasquatch's consistency is far greater than the Thing's though. Aside from a few low points in the Wolverine comics he's been consistently stronger than the Thing imo.
@Pym Sasquatch is very underrated imo.
Though the Thing also has some feats that completely puts his supposed 100 ton limit to shame.
Originally posted by Flyattractor
Dosen't Strong Guy have some weird momentum absorption power?
Yes. I am to lazy to google.
He absorbs kinetic energy.
The problem is that he has a very low cap and gets overloaded easily.
Diana could probably kill him in one punch if she hits hard enough.
abhilegend
^Ok? Diana still punches his face into paste.
pym-ftw
Originally posted by krisblaze
Abhi, Sasquatch's consistency is far greater than the Thing's though. Aside from a few low points in the Wolverine comics he's been consistently stronger than the Thing imo.
@Pym Sasquatch is very underrated imo.
Though the Thing also has some feats that completely puts his supposed 100 ton limit to shame.
He absorbs kinetic energy.
The problem is that he has a very low cap and gets overloaded easily.
Diana could probably kill him in one punch if she hits hard enough. yeah like lifting the Baxter building.
@Abhi
What is Diana's best strength feat post reboot?
krisblaze
Originally posted by abhilegend
^Ok? Diana still punches his face into paste.
Just pointing out that he's stronger than the Thing, despite that one statement.
Not sure why you're giving me the "ok?" like my argument about Sasquatch's not relevant. You're the one who brought up the Thing-Sasquatch comparison
abhilegend
Originally posted by pym-ftw
yeah like lifting the Baxter building.
@Abhi
What is Diana's best strength feat post reboot?
Closing a reality fissure that could have destroyed the planet with her bare hands.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111128955/4105747-0355563123-OhnhX.jpg
carver9
Originally posted by Flyattractor
Dosen't Strong Guy have some weird momentum absorption power?
Yes. I am to lazy to google.
Yes, he has the ability to absorb high amounts of kinetic energy and he would most Def withstand some hits from her with this ability but it's not enough to help him because he has a heart condition and if he absorbs too much, it'll kill him.
krisblaze
^That's wrong.
Despite the many, many errors in WWH, Strong Guy's heart condition was cured a long time ago.
Regardless of that, it's often been the case of him being overwhelmed by nothing more than 1 or 2 punches from 40-50 tonners. Overloading was also a problem long time before his heart condition.
riv6672
Originally posted by abhilegend
Closing a reality fissure that could have destroyed the planet with her bare hands.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111128955/4105747-0355563123-OhnhX.jpg
So, an abstract feat. Okay.
DarkSaint85
Originally posted by pym-ftw
What is Diana's best strength feat post reboot?
Carrying Superman
pym-ftw
I guess I should have said Quantifiable.
krisblaze
Originally posted by pym-ftw
I guess I should have said Quantifiable.
It's quantifiable to Abhi.
It's > the strength of any marvel character but < than Superman's strength
HulkIsHulk
Originally posted by krisblaze
It's quantifiable to Abhi.
It's > the strength of any marvel character but < than Superman's strength
:yes
HulkIsHulk
As for Walter bing stronger than Ben, I'll let one fo my first posts on this site do the counter
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
With all that being said, I beleive Thing had legimately proved himself to have class 100 strength with these feats
Benjamin Grimm (Earth-616) - Marvel Comics Database
http://marvel.wikia.com/Benjamin_Grimm_(Earth-616)
Lifting a 150 ton glass and steel pyramid
http://i.imgur.com/3hfq02i.jpg
Successfully holding back a giant alien spacecraft from jettisoning from Earth - Marvel Knights 4 #7
http://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/morefantasticfour9.jpg
lifting an oil rig and stopping a multiple story building (weighing roughly 30,000 tons) from falling over and lifting it back into place - Fantastic Four #95
oil rig-http://i.imgur.com/ZwrmkxK.jpg
30000 ton building-http://s1255.photobucket.com/user/undominanthybrid/media/Thing%20power/liftbuilding2723633-ff_v1_095_07_zps7c8d6882.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0
Another feats include holding bridges main cables together for an extended period (which support about 10,000 tons) - Strange Tales #131 and Fantastic Four #234
http://zak-site.com/Great-American-Novel/images/misc/StrangeTales131.jpg
http://zak-site.com/Great-American-Novel/images/misc/ff234.jpg
The most impressive feat, however, was to overpower a pile driver mechanism stated to be powerful enough to push through a planet - Fantastic Four #92
http://s1255.photobucket.com/user/undominanthybrid/media/Thing%20power/Planetdrillingmachinepush_zpsdae93ba0.jpg.html?sort=3&o=1
As you can see, Ben was injured while performing that feat. The laser blast was so powerful he nearly shitting in his pants, despite how tough on the inside we know he is. So that's really a great feat
riv6672
Originally posted by krisblaze
It's quantifiable to Abhi.
It's > the strength of any marvel character but < than Superman's strength
Stoic
In an attempt to be fair to all of the characters involved, I don't think that she makes it past Gilgamesh. She can beat any one of them, but this is an escalating gauntlet. If she somehow passes Gilgamesh, she may be able to get past Colossus, and Nova would take her out due to the exhausted state that she would be in by the time she reached him in his fresh state.
abhilegend
Originally posted by pym-ftw
I guess I should have said Quantifiable.
I'm sorry if you think closing fissures that can destroy earth is not quantifiable.
abhilegend
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
As for Walter bing stronger than Ben, I'll let one fo my first posts on this site do the counter
That's not a criteria of being a 100 tonner. You have to be in the league of top tier strongmen like Thor and Hercules to be a 100 tonner. Its not based on lifting feats.Originally posted by krisblaze
It's quantifiable to Abhi.
It's > the strength of any marvel character but < than Superman's strength
facepalm
thingy150
Originally posted by ODG
I might take this post more seriously if I ever read a single comic where Wonder Woman even came close to performing such a beatdown on nearly a dozen opponents in succession.
What does that have to do with anything?
pym-ftw
Abhi...
How much force is required to close holes in reality?
ODG
Originally posted by thingy150
What does that have to do with anything? That your opinion of what would happen hypothetically here should be informed by what we see in the comics.
thingy150
Originally posted by ODG
That your opinion of what would happen hypothetically here should be informed by what we see in the comics.
Obviously she has not gone through the same situation in a comic, most of the battles we make do not have scans in comics to match them. Your comment makes no sense because i stated how she wins and how she gets through and your retort is that we have not seen it in comics? Lame retort and stupid logic.
She can easily take out most of the people on this list, with her superior attributes and fighting ability she can and will make it through this gauntlet, she wont be too tired because of how easy some of the matches are for her, that was my logic in how she gets through.
thingy150
Originally posted by ODG
That your opinion of what would happen hypothetically here should be informed by what we see in the comics.
All of this is hypothetical btw, the only way it would not be is if they already fought, we are just making decisions based off of observations of the characters in the battle, a hypothesis.
abhilegend
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Abhi...
How much force is required to close holes in reality?
That can destroy earth? Planetary strength at least.
krisblaze
^How do you figure?
It didn't look like it was about to tear the world apart in an instant or anything...
Why not just some of her other impressive feats from DCNU? Seems pointless to open yourself up to this debate by hailing a feat like that as her best.
riv6672
Maybe that was the point.
abhilegend
Originally posted by krisblaze
^How do you figure?
It didn't look like it was about to tear the world apart in an instant or anything...
Why not just some of her other impressive feats from DCNU? Seems pointless to open yourself up to this debate by hailing a feat like that as her best.
Which Batman said would kill them all, destroy phantom zone and Mongul and Non together couldn't handle? Really?
She doesn't have much space cheese strength feats, but her record against top tiers is incredibly impressive and she is genuinely only second to Superman in strength nowadays. In fact she has not lost a single fight to a top tier character IIRC.
krisblaze
Originally posted by abhilegend
Which Batman said would kill them all, destroy phantom zone and Mongul and Non together couldn't handle? Really?
Really what?
I asked why you would use this feat and not her other equally impressive feats, which aren't open to that kind of scrutiny.
riv6672
Originally posted by abhilegend
In fact she has not lost a single fight to a top tier character IIRC.
Off topic but, when (not just) you say such and such character hasnt lost a fight to a top tier, i cant believe thats true.
The very nature of (not just) comics story telling requires for the protagonist to get hemmed up by the antagonist.
What kind of tension would there be in a story where the protagonist is undefeated?
DCnu WW has HAD to have lost fights since the reboot. Its not possible she hasnt.
krisblaze
Originally posted by riv6672
Off topic but, when (not just) you say such and such character hasnt lost a fight to a top tier, i cant believe thats true.
The very nature of (not just) comics story telling requires for the protagonist to get hemmed up by the antagonist.
What kind of tension would there be in a story where the protagonist is undefeated?
DCnu WW has HAD to have lost fights since the reboot. Its not possible she hasnt.
She has lost many fights, don't worry.
abhilegend
Originally posted by krisblaze
Really what?
I asked why you would use this feat and not her other equally impressive feats, which aren't open to that kind of scrutiny.
Really isn't a quantifiable feat? Does every strength feat has to be lifting a known weight or punching it? How many people in herald tier can boast to close a reality fissure with bare hands anyway?Originally posted by riv6672
Off topic but, when (not just) you say such and such character hasnt lost a fight to a top tier, i cant believe thats true.
The very nature of (not just) comics story telling requires for the protagonist to get hemmed up by the antagonist.
What kind of tension would there be in a story where the protagonist is undefeated?
DCnu WW has HAD to have lost fights since the reboot. Its not possible she hasnt.
I said people from top tier category.Originally posted by krisblaze
She has lost many fights, don't worry.
She has lost to someone in herald category? Remind me again who did it?
riv6672
Originally posted by krisblaze
She has lost many fights, don't worry.
I believe it.
Hyperbole is fine but not when its passed off as fact.
And the whole top tier thing? That lends itself to even more well, double talk.
WW has lost, but not to top tiers.
So, if a thread's made where she's pitted against a lower tier character there HAS to be a precedent for her losing to characters of that level? Right?
So saying she's never been beaten by a top tier is not an issue in those cases.
Honestly, can you see the snake eating its tail with this type of mish mash logic?
pym-ftw
@Abhi
Yes a strength feat needs to be measurable to be quantifiable.
@Riv
I don't think Man-Thing has lost a fight.
abhilegend
Originally posted by pym-ftw
@Abhi
Yes a strength feat needs to be measurable to be quantifiable.
@Riv
I don't think Man-Thing has lost a fight.
That's some shitty criteria right there. Mongul and Non together couldn't handle that fissure and it was going to destroy phantom zone, an entire dimension. But its not a strength feat?
facepalm
pym-ftw
It's not quantifiable... I'm not sure where we are hitting such a snag.
It's the same reason BoE, Sky lifting, Yddrasil pulling stuff is left out of debates.
Sure you can use it to say she is >Mongul but what has he done of any value...
krisblaze
Originally posted by abhilegend
Really isn't a quantifiable feat? Does every strength feat has to be lifting a known weight or punching it? How many people in herald tier can boast to close a reality fissure with bare hands anyway?
I don't know.
I'd have to check my reality fissure feat list. Think I've got one in word or something.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I said people from top tier category.
She has lost to someone in herald category? Remind me again who did it?
What is top tier? Is that herochat terminology? Would you be better off there?
I consider the greek shitgods heralds.
pym-ftw
Obviously if you beat WW your above Herald level...jeez
ODG
Originally posted by thingy150
Obviously she has not gone through the same situation in a comic, most of the battles we make do not have scans in comics to match them. Wolverine probably hasn't fought 100 grizzly bears, sure, but to say that most of the battle threads we come up with have absolutely no precedent in comics is uninformed at best, ignorant at worst.
There really is nothing else to be said at this point.
abhilegend
Originally posted by pym-ftw
It's not quantifiable... I'm not sure where we are hitting such a snag.
It's the same reason BoE, Sky lifting, Yddrasil pulling stuff is left out of debates.
Sure you can use it to say she is >Mongul but what has he done of any value...
Those are really high feats there. This is not in that category.Originally posted by krisblaze
I don't know.
I'd have to check my reality fissure feat list. Think I've got one in word or something.
What is top tier? Is that herochat terminology? Would you be better off there?
I consider the greek shitgods heralds.
Not sure if serious or joking. But Superman has closed and pulled open fissures in reality with his hands, Thor and Hercules had closed a portal and that's it from heralds.
And I use top tiers and heralds interchangeably. Sue me.
thingy150
Originally posted by ODG
Wolverine probably hasn't fought 100 grizzly bears, sure, but to say that most of the battle threads we come up with have absolutely no precedent in comics is uninformed at best, ignorant at worst.
There really is nothing else to be said at this point.
Obviously she has not gone through the same situation, are you joking with your posts? I gave a reason as to why she could clear and you are acting like i did not. Obviously she did not go through a gauntlet in the comics.
You have done nothing to prove that she cant clear, your posts a moot and childishly stupid at best.
riv6672
Haha, wow@this page. Or, wow, haha@this page.
ODG
Originally posted by thingy150
Obviously she has not gone through the same situation, are you joking with your posts? I gave a reason as to why she could clear and you are acting like i did not. Obviously she did not go through a gauntlet in the comics.
You have done nothing to prove that she cant clear, your posts a moot and childishly stupid at best. So Wonder Woman has never gone through a gauntlet of opponents before? Or busted a team before? Ever in the history of her comics? I mean, is this an observation from your reading of Wonder Woman comics or just some over-generalization you're making about comic characters, comic fights and forum threads in general? Based on your initial retort, it certainly sounded like the latter.
In which case, if you're just talking about what you think would happen without even considering what's done in comics, then this conversation is over.
krisblaze
Originally posted by abhilegend
Not sure if serious or joking.
I was joking.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And I use top tiers and heralds interchangeably. Sue me.
I would if I could.
Top Tier doesn't even make any sense. Herald is not the top tier.
riv6672
I am amazed at how people use the same arguments they bash in one thread to make their point in another.
How high is DCnu stamina, BTW? The actual debate hinges more on that, i think, than raw power.
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