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Sabers only.

Good luck, Ant.

Revan kicks her ass, she is completely featless without bm

Revan eviscerates.

Originally posted by carthage
she is completely featless without bm

Not really a fair point since Revan has much more material then her.

And also not true.

Raskta was acclaimed the greatest duelist of her time.
She achieved the rank of Jedi Weapons Master.
During the Ruusan campaign, she was described as "leaving a litter of dead bodies in her wake" and "it was said that, by the end of the war, as many Sith Lords had fallen under her twin blades as had been killed by the thought bomb."

Revan's saber feats are somewhat an unknown. We know he beat Mandalore the Ultimate and he had a supposedly brutal match against Malak. Malak was known to be a skilled lightsaber combatant during his era. Revan also fought through the Star Forge and possibly the Sith Academy on Korriban.

In the end, I'd give this to Revan.

Revan.
Revan is an insane force mastery !!! He's a generalist who master 90% of all the technics than you can obtain through the force....

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Sabers only.

Raskta

Sabers only? Raskta Lsu 9/10

Revan, and with the Force he ragdoll slaughterhouses.

I was ever wondering in SWtOR why revan suck so much?? I mean Revan have great healing and resistant feats and he don't use them in the foundry. (I guess in term of gameplay.... XD It will be a bit O.P !!!!!!!!!!!!! Imagine yhea at least 30% remaning and........ WTF????? 100% Does we have to O.S him when he is under 30% when he his useing his lighnings and fallings rocks.....????)

Eh, I think it's a bit closer - especially when you take into account their precognition, which they both have so the effect would be insignificant more or less. Raskta is a master of lightsaber combat, regarded as the greatest swordsmen of her era and has tangoed with Bane. She's an incredible duelist imo and as a swordsmen, she's above Revan, she's a weaponsmaster, so Revan's "Unpredictability" with the blade won't come into play here - as Raska, much like revan, is a user of the Precognition ability. I'm going with Raskta.

How would Revan be more unpredictable than Raskta? He's skilled in all forms, she's master of all.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
How would Revan be more unpredictable than Raskta? He's skilled in all forms, she's master of all.

That's why i said his unpredictability wont come into play

Yeah but Revan can jump.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah but Revan can jump.
As good as Anakin?

I don't know. Can Anakin kick after he's jumped?

Did not notice sabers only, gdi. Used to it being in the title.

Not allowing Revan to use the Force is like buying a DVD with no disc inside.

His saber prowess is really the only thing keeping him from being truly just a cut below top tier.

Well that and being far below Vitiate's apparent tier.

More or less, yeah.

Everyone is far below Vitiate, including Sidious.

So Vitiate > Ones pretty much confirmed right?

Raskta killed fodder Sith off panel guys, this automatically means she is better than the guy who can kill one of the most powerful Sith in galactic history

Originally posted by Sinious
So Vitiate > Ones pretty much confirmed right?

Yhea becauz he iz juzt the equal ti zidiouz by other mean....

If he don't zo....

You cheat and uze treachery to achieve killing.

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Originally posted by carthage
Raskta killed fodder Sith off panel guys, this automatically means she is better than the guy who can kill one of the most powerful Sith in galactic history

You mean dominating Orb Bane amped with rage whilst she had an at best 10% BM amp right?

I guess you missed the point where I said she is featless without bm on the first page. Who cares if she fought Orbalisk Bane? She has no unamped showings that compare with Revan beating Malak.

Her skill with a blade is hard to gauge, other than the fact she is supposedly "one of the best of her era"

The best Jedi duelist of her Era

Who else was notable from that era? Because Agen Kolar could have also been the best duelist, likely.

Her era was less impressive then my ex.

Nah, she likely was the best. Bane is even less of an impressive duelist than she is, beating Sith trainees wouldn't elevate him above her.

The best Jedi duelist of her era and apparently has one of the greatest Sith kill lists of any Jedi ever.

Something else to consider is that her apprentice Sarro Xaj was all over Zannah and she only managed to kill him because A. That newb kept interrupting his offensive. & B. Zannah resorted to using a mental attack.

He was well on his way to becoming a Jedi Weapon Master.

Yet despite all of this he was clearly not on his Master's level.

The entire era just isn't impressive

Raskta killed a bunch of featless fodder characters, so what? That doesn't tell me anything about how good she is as much as a duel without a nexus or amp against a character who has his own dueling feats. She handled her own against a nexus amped/bloodlusted Orbalisk Bane which is a good showing, but she was still amped herself and Bane is a mediocre duelist. She's definitely the best one of her era though I guess, but she wouldn't be much in any other time.. She's likely at best Adi Gallia level or maybe approaching Quinlan Vos

She's out of her league fighting Revan

Mastered every single form to it's highest degree and was ambidextrously using them with ease.

Adi Gallia isn't even close.

Darth Bane had Orbalisk protection, Rage amp and nexus amp vs Raskta with a BM amp that was split between herself and her companions.

Now I'm not even going to bother arguing with you about Bane but this is a highly impressive feat, she was completely schooling him in that fight whilst simultaneously protecting her allies, filling in for their weaknesses and playing off their strengths.

That is a far greater dueling feat than defeating Malak and Mandalore the Ultimate.

I never denied it was an ok feat, but Bane's skill level as a duelist is lacking behind Malak who defeated Bastila and Revan once himself. Bane has only beaten two featless Sith trainees, and Raskta herself had only beaten fodder opponents. People on this forum routinely confuse technical proficiency with skill as a duelist, Raskta has no showings as a duelist to put her above Malak. She has only beaten fodder/featless opponents, whereas, Malak has beaten Bastila and Revan two notable opponents

So what if she "mastered" lightsaber combat, she has never beaten an individual above Revan or Bastila. Her technical proficiency and knowledge of forms doesn't make her a good duelist, it simply means she knows forms and is adept with a bladework as a teacher. Beating Revan >> killing fodder Sith and knowing how to teach lightsaber classes

Originally posted by carthage
]People on this forum routinely confuse technical proficiency with skill as a duelist Yup.

Otherwise Raskta > Exar Kun lol

Darth Bane is stated to be a master duelist in sourcebooks and considering that PoD Bane was able to relatively well hold himself against Kas'im (a master of every form to it's highest degree and completely mastered Jar'kai and saberstaff dueling completely) and hold him off until he killed Kas'im with the Force, Bane is far far better than your obvious trolling/lowball attempts make him out to be.

He whilst drugged was able to defeat Zannah with his fists whilst she had a saberstaff.

Cognus someone with relatively few but nonetheless excellent feats and considerable power in the Force (as the Plagueis novel confirms) could only see a blur as he and Zannah fought before he died.

Bane is a master duelist no matter how much you want to troll Neph and Lsu's feat against him is excellent and is reinforced by her countless thousands of kills against Sith in the field.

Ignore all logic and claim every single one of those Sith were nothing more than Padawan level all you wish but her feats are excellent.

This will be my final reply to you as your bias against Bane trilogy characters is laughable at best.

carthage still crushing Bane threads tbh

Kas'im was technically proficient, not a "master duelist" and he has no feats at all or even accolades unlike Raskta. Mastering a "Saberstaff", saber forms, or any of the technical minutiae doesn't make you a good duelist, it means you have achieved academic knowledge of said aspects of those forms. Try to make the distinction between academic knowledge, and being a tried and true duelist who has beaten other individuals with their own showings. Bane didn't beat him by his own skill with a blade either, he killed him by using a nexus to kill him with a force wave. Bane only beat featless Sirak and Fohargh, after getting stomped by them both before.




That wasn't a duel she was trying to kill him, and he was just testing her.



I never disputed Bane was a "master level duelist" (ok...), but he still has only beaten featless trainees. Beating two Sith trainees on Korriban aren't superior feats to Malak beating Revan or Bastila (both high level opponents) in their own right. Whatever way you try to spin it Raskta has never beaten anyone on par with Revan



"Simple logic" would say that the individual who beat X character with his own showings, would be better than Y character who has beaten nameless opponents. You do this in every thread accuse others of bias when they actually have an argument in favor of characters with actual feats- come get me when Bane or Raskta have beaten anyone on par with Revan

BOONZ BOONZ BOONZ BU-BU-BOONZ BOONZ boku no pico BOONZ BOONZ BOONZ BU-BU BOONZ BOONZ

I do this all the time? Since when? Feel free to show me where I do this all the time.

However the evidence against you is countless, your anti-Bane trilogy bias is evident in every thread, including ones where Bane isn't relevant at all.

Lol @ bias when simply supporting the character with the better feats. If Raskta had better showings then I'd argue in her favor, its as simple as that. In fact, I've supported her in other threads against other characters- as she's the closest thing to a skilled duelist in an era with lack of exposition on their skill. Beating fodder level opponents regardless of the amount, is a lesser feat than beating one of the most Powerful Sith in Galactic history while he was amped

Well forgive me, if you are going to cease that kind of trolling then I apologise and I would encourage you to do so.

Simply put you kind of dug a hole.

What "trolling"? You were the one that kept throwing out ad hominems and accusations of bias, when I was simply supporting the character with noticeably better feats (Revan).

There are numerous times where you troll about Bane even in threads where he isn't relevant. "'X' does 'x' and Bane dies in the aftermath." Etc...

Carthage>>Ancient Power.