Doc Samson vs Strong Guy

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juggernaut74
Doc at his normal levels vs Strong Guy? Fight takes place in the Yellow Stone park.

carver9
Doc wins. If Strong Guy didn't have that heart condition, I would give it to him.

juggernaut74
The only time that is really a factor is when he fights guys in the WWHulk class. He's fought Thing and Blob and it wasn't a factor in those fights and I'd put Samson in that class.

riv6672
^Good point.

I'd actually give it to SG by a slight majority.

carver9
Originally posted by juggernaut74
The only time that is really a factor is when he fights guys in the WWHulk class. He's fought Thing and Blob and it wasn't a factor in those fights and I'd put Samson in that class.

True. Never thought of it like that. He does have pretty good showings. Undecided. What other top tiers has he fought? I remember him fighting Hulk again and got worked.

http://s31.photobucket.com/user/Doggydogg/media/StrongGuyvsHulk.jpg.html

Doc Samson doesn't get taken out so easily when he is fighting against the Hulk. Could be due to their history of being friends, who knows. Does Strong Guy have any other combat fts against powerful opponents?

By the way, Thing beat Strong Guy.

juggernaut74
Blob and Thing are the only ones that come to mind and those were both good fights. Guido has the fighters mentality though kinda like Grimm and I think he'll give Samson a good match. Rougue and Guido fought once while Rougue won it was Guidos first appearance so his powers were not yet defined imo.

riv6672
@carver

You say that like losing to Ben is some kind of a bad thing. laughing out loud

juggernaut74
Originally posted by riv6672
@carver

You say that like losing to Ben is some kind of a bad thing. laughing out loud It was a good match though. Better than Samson last match against She-Hulk.

carver9
Originally posted by riv6672
@carver

You say that like losing to Ben is some kind of a bad thing. laughing out loud

Compared to this...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/3853/757445-samson3.jpg

Yes, it is.

riv6672
Compared to shrugging off three guys? I'd be more surprised if he couldnt do it.
Its not like they were actively trying to kill him carver. Sheesh. stick out tongue

carver9
Originally posted by riv6672
Compared to shrugging off three guys? I'd be more surprised if he couldnt do it.
Its not like they were actively trying to kill him carver. Sheesh. stick out tongue

Lol...Hercules, Ironman, Wonderman, Namor...3 physical top tiers. It's hellava impressive.

Also, the Hulk you seen knock Strong Guy out in that scan, Sampson fought this same Hulk (with Spidey help of course) and withstood more than one blow and this Hulk was amped.

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Fights%20N-S/HulkvsSpiderman60.jpg.html

He was down in the end...

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Fights%20N-S/HulkvsSpiderman62.jpg.html

But I feel safe at saying that if Guildo took those many blows, he probably would've died.

zopzop
Samson all day. His highs are noticeably better than anything Guido has done. He has a few lows but then again, everyone does.

riv6672
I see one guy grabbing his arm, one wrapping around his waist, one grabbing his shirt. The only one actively taking any kind of shot at him is Herc.

But hey, agree to disagree. I still give the edge to SG, and say losing to Ben is no disrespect.

carver9
Originally posted by riv6672
I see one guy grabbing his arm, one wrapping around his waist, one grabbing his shirt. The only one actively taking any kind of shot at him is Herc.

But hey, agree to disagree. I still give the edge to SG, and say losing to Ben is no disrespect.

More than that happened. They were fighting Doc Sampson as shown here.

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsAvengers41.jpg.html
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsAvengers42.jpg.html

Him throwing them off of him was the end but overall, he was holding his own. Don't know why you are giving Strong Guy the advantage though.

zopzop
Originally posted by carver9
More than that happened. They were fighting Doc Sampson as shown here.

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsAvengers41.jpg.html
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsAvengers42.jpg.html

Him throwing them off of him was the end but overall, he was holding his own. Don't know why you are giving Strong Guy the advantage though.
Yup. It even looks like Herc punched him in the face while the other three were restraining him and Samson didn't go down.

Like I said, that was one of Samson's best showings. The other was him fighting Hulk for 6 hours before going down.

His best strength feat was lifting a building.

He's a solid Cl75-90.

And this is before his "Dark Samson" form.

juggernaut74
The last time I saw Samson he was flying to another state.

carver9
Still doesn't discredit his other showings though.

juggernaut74
Originally posted by carver9
Still doesn't discredit his other showings though. He's done well against the Hulk, but he's also got his sh!t pushed in by the Hulk as well. Cage was beating his @ss and Red Guardian was doing some damage to Samson and he's Cap level iirc.

carver9
Originally posted by juggernaut74
He's done well against the Hulk, but he's also got his sh!t pushed in by the Hulk as well. Cage was beating his @ss and Red Guardian was doing some damage to Samson and he's Cap level iirc.

True.

When did Luke and Sampson fight? Also, what has Guildo done to make you think he could pulls some wins?

juggernaut74
Originally posted by carver9
True.

When did Luke and Sampson fight? Also, what has Guildo done to make you think he could pulls some wins? Well he did better than Samson against WWHulk. He did really well against Thing and the Blob both of whom would probably beat Samson. Guido also kayoed Warpath(Warpath held his own against Juggernaut).

Luke and Samson fought during Civil War or in that time. Cage was beatin his @ss.

carver9
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Well he did better than Samson against WWHulk. He did really well against Thing and the Blob both of whom would probably beat Samson. Guido also kayoed Warpath(Warpath held his own against Juggernaut).

Luke and Samson fought during Civil War or in that time. Cage was beatin his @ss.

Both of them did terrible against WWH tbh. This is all he did.

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Fights%20T-Z/HulkvsX-Men33.jpg.html
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Fights%20T-Z/HulkvsX-Men34.jpg.html

One more hit from Hulk probably would've killed him.

Here is Doc Samson.

http://s94.photobucket.com/user/priest_85/media/Warbound1.jpg.html
http://s94.photobucket.com/user/priest_85/media/Warbound2.jpg.html

The next time we see him he is koed. Both did bad. Don't think using that fight is an accurate judgement of these two.

Strong Guy lost to Thing though. Does anyone have scans of the Luke and Samson fight?

juggernaut74
The way I look at it, Guido took a punch then returned a punch(which knocked Hulk on his @ss). Doc took a punch then went down. And loosing to Thing isn't that big of deal.

Sin I AM
Thing is the leader in his particular class. Nothing wrong with him stomping someone out. He should do it more often

carver9
@Jugs


Overall, Doc Sampson fts are better. I agree, loosing to Ben isn't bad at all...I just dont see the point in bringing it up since Guildo loss. Also, his fight against Blob...he did well against the Blob, fight lasted a while but Blob loss because a gas station exploded on him. Guildo didn't drop him, the explosion did. The only thing you really have for Guildo is his fight against the Thing which didn't favor him.

juggernaut74
I remember reading the issue were Champion came to earth and challenged the strongest people on the planet, well Doc Samson was among the group but he didn't qualify to compete because he got kayoed in a training exercise. LOL.

carver9
Originally posted by juggernaut74
I remember reading the issue were Champion came to earth and challenged the strongest people on the planet, well Doc Samson was among the group but he didn't qualify to compete because he got kayoed in a training exercise. LOL.

Lol...look at the others he was compared too though.

juggernaut74
Originally posted by carver9
@Jugs


Overall, Doc Sampson fts are better. I agree, loosing to Ben isn't bad at all...I just dont see the point in bringing it up since Guildo loss. Also, his fight against Blob...he did well against the Blob, fight lasted a while but Blob loss because a gas station exploded on him. Guildo didn't drop him, the explosion did. The only thing you really have for Guildo is his fight against the Thing which didn't favor him. He kayoed Warpath who himself was strong enough to fight the Juggernaut.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/StrongGuyvsWarpath3.jpg

carver9
Do you have the scan of Path being koed?

juggernaut74
Now that I think about Guido fought She-Hulk but the only thing I recall from the fight was She-Hulk kicking him in the nuts. Last time She-Hulk fought Samson he was tooled hardcore.

Sin I AM
I miss old wolverine

zopzop
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Now that I think about Guido fought She-Hulk but the only thing I recall from the fight was She-Hulk kicking him in the nuts. Last time She-Hulk fought Samson he was tooled hardcore.
Last time She Hulk "fought" Samson, they were having a conversation when she suddenly turned on him and punched him when he was least expecting it.

Context.

And to those still on the ropes, Doc's Respect Thread :
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t399059.html

juggernaut74
Originally posted by juggernaut74
He kayoed Warpath who himself was strong enough to fight the Juggernaut.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/StrongGuyvsWarpath3.jpg No but this site said he was down.

http://uncannyxmen.net/comics/issue/x-force-1st-series-16

juggernaut74
Originally posted by zopzop
Last time She Hulk "fought" Samson, they were having a conversation when she suddenly turned on him and punched him when he was least expecting it.

Context.

And to those still on the ropes, Doc's Respect Thread :
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t399059.html He threw a f#cking car at her right before that!!! laughing

Then he got a one way ride to Ohio.

carver9
Jugs...

Let's just agree to disagree. I honestly don't think Guildo is a bad character and he has a lot of potential, so anyone giving him the win is ok with me. I'm just leaning towards Samson.

juggernaut74
That's fine. Most fans know who Samson is because he's a Hulk character, I was just letting people know what Guido can do.

juggernaut74
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m308/bigpoppa_64/Mobile%20Uploads/CagevsSamson-1_zpssvvv0mla.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m308/bigpoppa_64/Mobile%20Uploads/CagevsSamson2jpg-1_zpsewnvwqji.jpg

krisblaze
Originally posted by carver9
Doc wins. If Strong Guy didn't have that heart condition, I would give it to him.

He hasn't had it in over a decade.

The WWH comic was the only mention of something that was fixed a long time ago.

But hey, can't expect writers to know their shit.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by krisblaze
He hasn't had it in over a decade.

The WWH comic was the only mention of something that was fixed a long time ago.

But hey, can't expect writers to know their shit.

well, how else would WWH have won, if not for his greatest power, PIS?

riv6672
Originally posted by juggernaut74
That's fine. Most fans know who Samson is because he's a Hulk character, I was just letting people know what Guido can do. i think posters are just going with a knee jerk reaction, with a familiar name over a lesser known name.

krisblaze
Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if Guido's more known than Doc Samson.

riv6672
You like being contrary though, so, thats not a surprising answer on your part. stick out tongue

zopzop
Originally posted by krisblaze
Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if Guido's more known than Doc Samson.
Yup. He was on various teams of X-Men and X-factor while poor Samson was relegated to guest appearances.

leonidas
as much as i'd prefer it were different, samson would likely take a small majority. strong guy had some decent showings in his x-factor days, and was actually really entertaining for a while. i still consider strong guy a b-list character, while samson is a definite c-lister, and one of marvel's lamest imo.

riv6672
Wait, what? You consider Samson c list but give him the edge over a b list?
I like that.
Shows not everything is quantified by "list".

juggernaut74
Originally posted by leonidas
while samson is a definite c-lister, and one of marvel's lamest imo. I think it was his appearance. He came off as a gay circus clown with the green hair, red shirt with the yellow bolt, blue pants, and brown shoes.

krisblaze
Samson was insane in Ellis' thunderbolts.

He's had some showings that were really high-end lately.

Nevermind the ridiculous jobbing.

riv6672
Originally posted by juggernaut74
I think it was his appearance. He came off as a gay circus clown with the green hair, red shirt with the yellow bolt, blue pants, and brown shoes.
If the Hulk remake had done a bit better, THIS could have been the man to legitimize the character...
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ppt19a8zgVQ/UyebCoccKnI/AAAAAAAAKJU/JRZgZkk7c_g/s1600/DocSamson.jpg

juggernaut74
Four years later has anything changed?

One Big Mob
Everything

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