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Who is the two top Heralds in both Marvel and DC? When you come up with that answer, who would pull the majority in a CIS off battle?

Flash stomps every character in the herald class, but theb again he is skyfatger class so i suppose he wouldnt count.

Shaman or Strange can probably come up with the most BS.

Flash can beat just about anyone 1v1.

Thor/Surfer

Superman/Captain Atom

Surfer.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Thor/Surfer

Superman/Captain Atom

I'd put Orion, Alan, or Fate ahead of Atom.

Surfer/Thor

Superman/Wonder Woman

With CIS off, I wouldn't put my bets on anyone who isn't a godly speedster.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Shaman or Strange can probably come up with the most BS.

Flash can beat just about anyone 1v1.

Forum flash? Cause he's not that uber in comics

Originally posted by Golgo13
I'd put Orion, Alan, or Fate ahead of Atom.

I dunno, Atom is pretty god like, calling him a herald might be a slight low ball even.

Unless you're talking pre-FP. In which case, I'd agree with you.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Forum flash? Cause he's not that uber in comics

With CIS and PIS off, all that remains is to add bloodlust.

Barry is still a decent guy; he's not tearing people's heads off at lightspeed, for example.

A CIS/PIS off Zoom, however......

To that end, I'd also add people like Orion, Martian Manhunter etc.

CIS/PIS off Waverider would own any Herald as he'd be impossible to beat as you couldnt fight him...

He'd just pick a point in time where you were completely helpless and annihilate you...

There is no defense to this...

PIS/CIS off Waverider defeats any Herald 10/10...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
CIS/PIS off Waverider would own any Herald as he'd be impossible to beat as you couldnt fight him...

He'd just pick a point in time where you were completely helpless and annihilate you...

There is no defense to this...

PIS/CIS off Waverider defeats any Herald 10/10...

What about Zoom? PIS/CIS off still means he's in character - and he doesn't do it because it would mess the timestream up. He's still a hero.

PIS/CIS off Zoom gives no such phucks.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What about Zoom? PIS/CIS off still means he's in character - and he doesn't do it because it would mess the timestream up. He's still a hero.

PIS/CIS off Zoom gives no such phucks.

Thats true...

Maybe Zoom is the winner; hasnt he or Flash speed blitzed Supes before?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
With CIS and PIS off, all that remains is to add bloodlust.

Barry is still a decent guy; he's not tearing people's heads off at lightspeed, for example.

A CIS/PIS off Zoom, however......

To that end, I'd also add people like Orion, Martian Manhunter etc.

To be fair Barry and Wally have both killed opponents.

As far as I know Zoom has never killed his opponent, only people close to them.

Originally posted by krisblaze
To be fair Barry and Wally have both killed opponents.

As far as I know Zoom has never killed his opponent, only people close to them.

Yeah, he just messes them up - because he's trying to make them a better hero or whatever. Hence, CIS being off.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, he just messes them up - because he's trying to make them a better hero or whatever. Hence, CIS being off.
Yes, but you presented CIS and bloodlust as separate.

So if Flash isn't killing people with CIS off then neither is Zoom :P

KMC Surfer tops the list with him blitzing at light speed firing black hole opening blasts in people's brains

Originally posted by krisblaze
Yes, but you presented CIS and bloodlust as separate.

So if Flash isn't killing people with CIS off then neither is Zoom :P

Damn you!!!

I saw them as two separate things...

At the end of the day, Barry/Wally aren't sadistic. They're heroes. I take your point on them killing before, though. They WILL kill, but it will take some pretty extenuating circumstances. Just like Superman has killed before, but nobody here will say with CIS off he will kill. Well, I wouldn't, anyway.

Zoom, however, is pretty sadistic. And is willing to kill randomers (as with the Amazons etc - we both agree on this). He doesn't, however, because CIS is on and he wants to improve his opponents.

Originally posted by Damborgson
With CIS off, I wouldn't put my bets on anyone who isn't a godly speedster.



*yawn*.... The uber Flash nonsense is getting so old and lame.



Superman is top DC herald and Surfer is probably Marvel's.

If you want to see a Flash that kills, is trained by Lady Shiva and Deathstroke, and doesn't **** around, read the latest Flash issues.

Thor/Sliver Surfer/Dr Strange/Dr fate/Captain Atom/Orion

Superman/ Mr Majestic/ Martian Manhunter/Captain Marvel

Marvel: Photon (Genis) & Shaman X-Man.

DC: Kyle (White Lantern) & Captain Atom.

Originally posted by "Id"
Marvel: Photon (Genis) & Shaman X-Man.

DC: Kyle (White Lantern) & Captain Atom.

Come on @ those DC picks.

Originally posted by carver9
When you come up with that answer, who would pull the majority in a CIS off battle?

Originally posted by krisblaze
Come on @ those DC picks.

Captain Atom, and WL Kyle are legit.

WL Kyle is legit multiversal, he is no where in the herald tier.

Captain Atom is no where in the herald level either.

Originally posted by Board Walker
WL Kyle is legit multiversal, he is no where in the herald tier.


Minus the life equations. Just the White Ring.

Originally posted by Board Walker


Captain Atom is no where in the herald level either.

DCnU Captain Atom is at the top of the herald list.

Originally posted by "Id"
Minus the life equations. Just the White Ring.



DCnU Captain Atom is at the top of the herald list.

WL Kyle - LE is somewhere in the SKyfather/Trans tier, going by his showing against Highfather I would place Kyle in High Trans if Highfather is SKyfather. However, if Skyfather is = to Darkseid and darkseid is shown to be equal to the AM then Kyle would be skyfather while Highfather is low abstract.