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Two scenarios, Superman has to knock Juggernaut unconscious in both.

1) Superman has 10 minutes.

2) Superman has a day.

They fight in an empty New York.

Is Jugs fighting back?

Originally posted by carver9
Is Jugs fighting back?
Originally posted by krisblaze
They fight in an empty New York.
No he doesnt.

No takers?

Originally posted by krisblaze
No takers?

He isn't knocking the Juggernaut out, if anything he may break his knuckles due to hitting a magical being meant to be more durable than himself. But this doesn't stop him from wrapping steel around his hands and hitting him to no avail, while keeping from breaking his knuckles. On the other hand, Superman is fast enough to never get hit by the Juggernaut. It would only make sense to me that since Cain is a magical being, that he could actually bypass Superman's defenses much like Captain Marvel is able to. In the end, since neither has to be hit, the day goes by, and it's a stalemate. If the fight lasted until someone had to die, I would place my bets of Superman dying, because Cain doesn't tire, need food, or air. While Superman does. BFR is Superman's only choice against the Juggernaut of old. He's just too durable.

Originally posted by krisblaze
No takers?

Originally posted by Estacado
No he doesnt.

RIF

Originally posted by Stoic
He isn't knocking the Juggernaut out, if anything he may break his knuckles due to hitting a magical being meant to be more durable than himself. But this doesn't stop him from wrapping steel around his hands and hitting him to no avail, while keeping from breaking his knuckles. On the other hand, Superman is fast enough to never get hit by the Juggernaut. It would only make sense to me that since Cain is a magical being, that he could actually bypass Superman's defenses much like Captain Marvel is able to. In the end, since neither has to be hit, the day goes by, and it's a stalemate. If the fight lasted until someone had to die, I would place my bets of Superman dying, because Cain doesn't tire, need food, or air. While Superman does. BFR is Superman's only choice against the Juggernaut of old. He's just too durable.
Superman doesn't hurt himself hitting magical beings.

Also he would knock Juggy out in both scenarios if he doesn't have his force field.

Why wouldnt he have his force field?
This isnt a Juggernaut spite thread.

Juggernaut has his "invulnerability" to the limits we've seen in the comics, i.e can take survive godblast/attacks from weakened Stranger, but he's not immune to touch/being moved, etc. He's only unstoppable/untouchable when running.

Originally posted by riv6672
Why wouldnt he have his force field?
This isnt a Juggernaut spite thread.

Because he's had it like 3 out of 100 fights in the comics?

Ah, nevermind, this IS a spite thread. Have fun with that.

Originally posted by riv6672
Ah, nevermind, this IS a spite thread. Have fun with that.

How do you figure?

He's still invulnerable...

Originally posted by krisblaze
How do you figure?

He's still invulnerable...
He really isn't though.

You'll notice, that without the force field, he's been hurt by some humiliating attacks. IMHO, without the force field, most any CL100 brick can take him out.

Originally posted by zopzop
He really isn't though.

You'll notice, that without the force field, he's been hurt by some humiliating attacks. IMHO, without the force field, most any CL100 brick can take him out.
Take him out how?

The attacks still don't hurt him.

Even the incidents where he's been hurt then he's healed more or less instantly.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Juggernaut has his "invulnerability" to the limits we've seen in the comics, i.e can take survive godblast/attacks from weakened Stranger, but he's not immune to touch/being moved, etc. He's only unstoppable/untouchable when running.



Because he's had it like 3 out of 100 fights in the comics?

He was not moving when Thor hit him with all of his might during the 8th day. He wasn't moving when molten steel was poured all over him to no effect. There are several times that he was not moving, and no sold some pretty nasty situations. I would actually say that the times that he no sold things back in the day were more numerous than the few times that things that shouldn't have hurt him did. I would call those few times PIS without a doubt. Superman would not be able to hurt him.

8th day was a case where both Thor and Mjolnir were weakened, though everyone seems to forget that

Anyways, it was also the case of Juggernaut being physically hurt by Conquest, so I'm not sure if it's a case one way or another. Though you could certainly make a case for Juggernaut almost always being unmoved when he sees an attack comic.

I was hoping people would try to think of some more interesting ways for Superman to possibly take this. Like sonic stuff. Use that Kryptonian brain of his.

It depends on how strong you think an angry Merged Hulk is over Superman.

http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Hulk3389/media/comic%20book%20scans/juggslayout.jpg.html

2 blows. What's DCNU Superman best punching ft? I know his showing against H'el was alright, but who has he dropped with his fist that has Classic Jugs durability?

^I don't understand.

Juggernaut has to be unconscious.

He was near it imo and both Superman and Professor Hulk are elites, but, this Is the only time I seen Jugs in a physical situation like that, so I wouldn't use that against him either which is the reason I'm asking for DCNU Supes best punching ft.

Elites?

He's not unconscious though...he needs to be unconscious.

Also, what issue is that from? Is that Hulk 200 or 314?..

Originally posted by riv6672
Ah, nevermind, this IS a spite thread. Have fun with that.

Ur stupid to think this is spite just because he does not have his shields, obviously you know jack shit about Cain.

Originally posted by Stoic
He was not moving when Thor hit him with all of his might during the 8th day. He wasn't moving when molten steel was poured all over him to no effect. There are several times that he was not moving, and no sold some pretty nasty situations. I would actually say that the times that he no sold things back in the day were more numerous than the few times that things that shouldn't have hurt him did. I would call those few times PIS without a doubt. Superman would not be able to hurt him.

2 punches from Hulk knocked him down, yet he was the only one able to have an extended fight with WWH aside from Strange/Zom and Sentry.

And after that he tanked hits from Skaar for an entire fight and even tanked getting launched into orbit due to Skaar charging his Old Power for a bit while Cain fell through the air.

Illusions man, it wasnt the real juggernaut.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Illusions man, it wasnt the real juggernaut.

Lol. Must not have been him either when he fought the other Exemplar's and he and Stonecutter's brawl shook the planet iirc.

It was the real Juggernaut. Juggernaut was imitating Hulks father. Don't know where Kris got that from.

Here is the entire thing (thanks to ODG).

Professor Hulk (mind-controlled) and Juggernaut vs Avengers, from Incredible Hulk #403-04:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsAvengers57403.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsAvengers58404.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsAvengers59.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsAvengers60.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsAvengers61.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsAvengers62.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsAvengers63.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsAvengers64.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsAvengers65.jpg

I thought he was being sarcastic. But considering the damage Juggernaut tanked before and after, that showing doesn't hold up too much imo.

Originally posted by KingD19
I thought he was being sarcastic. But considering the damage Juggernaut tanked before and after, that showing doesn't hold up too much imo.

I wouldn't hold that showing against Juggernaut, at all. He does have the best durability showings of any herald imo. Kris was serious by the way. He might change his stance now though.

Superman on average.

Originally posted by carver9
It depends on how strong you think an angry Merged Hulk is over Superman.

http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Hulk3389/media/comic%20book%20scans/juggslayout.jpg.html

2 blows. What's DCNU Superman best punching ft? I know his showing against H'el was alright, but who has he dropped with his fist that has Classic Jugs durability?

Who said angry hulk is stronger than superman?

Originally posted by carver9
I wouldn't hold that showing against Juggernaut, at all. He does have the best durability showings of any herald imo. Kris was serious by the way. He might change his stance now though.

I don't think someone like you has much insight into my process

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MenUnlimited40-39.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MenUnlimited40-40.jpg

Don't know if that is canon but yes, Superman can ko him if Juggernaut Is just sitting there.

That's perfectly canon. Also onslaught oneshotted him.

Don't think Onslaught knocking him out is a bad showing, at all. Superman can still ko him though. People in here are not saying he can not be dropped.

The same onslaught was overpowered by Bishop powered by Sue and a bulked up Reed was smacking him around.

So yeah, it was a bad showing.

8th Day Juggy, as I recall, is not Juggy operating on normal power levels, right? Isn't that the dude who was punching holes in dimensions and stuff? So I wouldn't use him when referring to "Classic" Juggernaut. I've heard Classic Juggy can't be hurt by physical force, but I'm not sure what his best durability feats are.

I know he has taken a wide variety of shots from Class 100's with no harm, but the problem there is that Superman can rain down thousands of those hits in the blink of an eye, and I don't recall anyone ever doing that to Juggy. So I would lean towards saying Nu Supes can't hurt him, but I'd also be curious as to his best durability feats. Has Juggy ever in his history been knocked unconscious?

I know he took a god blast, and I know that is Thor's most powerful move, but I don't know it compares to thousands of hits in the blink of an eye from a guy who can hold the weight of the planet for days when not even being exposed to sunlight.

How did Nimrod take him down?

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x296/acewasp23/hrPage_17.jpg

How smart is Superman? Abhi will have this scan, I believe. Action Comics #2, where Clark uses his brain to work out how best to use his powers.

http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s458/kandouerik/temp32.jpg

Physical force is sooooo 2014. Superman whistles at him.

Originally posted by Surtur
8th Day Juggy, as I recall, is not Juggy operating on normal power levels, right? Isn't that the dude who was punching holes in dimensions and stuff? So I wouldn't use him when referring to "Classic" Juggernaut. I've heard Classic Juggy can't be hurt by physical force, but I'm not sure what his best durability feats are.

I know he has taken a wide variety of shots from Class 100's with no harm, but the problem there is that Superman can rain down thousands of those hits in the blink of an eye, and I don't recall anyone ever doing that to Juggy. So I would lean towards saying Nu Supes can't hurt him, but I'd also be curious as to his best durability feats. Has Juggy ever in his history been knocked unconscious?

I know he took a god blast, and I know that is Thor's most powerful move, but I don't know it compares to thousands of hits in the blink of an eye from a guy who can hold the weight of the planet for days when not even being exposed to sunlight.

Don't know If speed blitz punches are gonna cut it.

http://oi61.tinypic.com/6jhlj4.jpg

If Merged Hulk can do it, Superman can do the same without much trouble.

Originally posted by Warrior Madness
If Merged Hulk can do it, Superman can do the same without much trouble.
Merged Hulk hasn't done it though...