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Feats if anyone needs them 313

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=607200&pagenumber=1

good match up, pretty even. maybe an edge to ares just because he can be so brutal. not 100% sure about this one.

Originally posted by leonidas
good match up, pretty even. maybe an edge to ares just because he can be so brutal. not 100% sure about this one.

This but id give the edge to Britain, slight edge. Kris does Ares get his axe?

I suppose his axe is standard gear at this point.

@Leo, I remain undecided myself. Pretty clear win to Brian if Ares doesn't have his axe, but with his axe it's a new ballgame.

Yea. Honestly i liked Ares from mighty avengers on up till his death in siege. Although i wish he put up a better fight. Britain did great against the Phoenix though so undecided

i assumed it was with the axe. i think that would be enough to tip things in his favor. give brian his sword....and things change quite a bit.

Excalibur seems a bit OP, but it should still be winnable imo.

Ares gets a def. advantage thanks to his brutality tho.

Actually, ares cant fly. Brian beats him by being too fast.

Brian all day.

Captain Britain

Captain Britain falls to the ax.

Ares fts are more solid imo. Giving it to him.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23374/1792101-dark_x_men_03_0012.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23374/1792103-dark_x_men_03_0013.jpg
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http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23374/1792108-dark_x_men_03_0018.jpg

vs Wolverine and Skaar.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103729/3647338-3846826812-35893.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103729/3647339-1812982251-35893.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103729/3647340-1922979075-35893.jpg

vs Abomb...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103729/3647342-2054671293-35893.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103729/3647343-5785733514-35893.jpg

vs Herc...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103729/3647344-2012530652-35894.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103729/3647345-5832296037-35894.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103729/3647346-7856513635-35894.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103729/3647348-2777936107-35894.jpg


What fts does Britain have that's comparable?

^lol.

There is nothing Ares has done that Brian hasnt. Hes beaten stronger foes, hes lifted heavier things, taken more hits, banged more bitches.

Who has Britain defeated? Not denying what you are saying, just asking.

Originally posted by carver9
Who has Britain defeated? Not denying what you are saying, just asking. He knocked Colossus out(with a little help).

Context

Originally posted by juggernaut74
He knocked Colossus out(with a little help).

Ares had Xman on the ropes....bust through a time stream and fought it out with him. Stalemate Skaar...had an advantage against Herc at one point. Worked Abomb. Damaged Void Sentry. Damaged Chaos King.

Wut? It's ressed walker...

Originally posted by carver9
Ares had Xman on the ropes....bust through a time stream and fought it out with him.
Fought it out with him? X-Man was intangible and Ares tried to hit him.
Originally posted by carver9
Stalemate Skaar
Yes he did, very good Ares
Originally posted by carver9
had an advantage against Herc at one point.
he lost though...
Originally posted by carver9
Damaged Void Sentry. Damaged Chaos King.
"damaged"

These attacks weren't very effective, and he died

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23374/2139322-chaos_war___ares_023.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/37068/1118082-ares_v_sentry_1.jpg

Looks affective to me and it would kill Britain.

Of course he died by Void Sentry. He was too powerful. That wasn't the point of my post. The point is, Ares holds every advantage in this fight.

As for the Walker fight...he admitted Walker was too much for him and was about to get crushed until he clamped Walker wings together. Plot.

He did lose to Herc via boasting. He had Herc on the ropes at one point, then he decided to ask him to give up. Really. You haven't shown anything that puts Brit on Ares level.

Originally posted by carver9
Carver: "lulz how I post image"
Looks affective to me and it would kill Britain.

Of course he died by Void Sentry. He was too powerful. That wasn't the point of my post. The point is, Ares holds every advantage in this fight.

As for the Walker fight...he admitted Walker was too much for him and was about to get crushed until he clamped Walker wings together. Plot.

He did lose to Herc via boasting. He had Herc on the ropes at one point, then he decided to ask him to give up. Really. You haven't shown anything that puts Brit on Ares level.

You left out some scans. Mainly of Ares getting wrecked and dying.

Strategy =/= plot and if you know anything you'd know that Britain was weakened by Roma at the time

Sure I have, I have Captain Britain actually WINNING A FIGHT.

There's also, you know, Britain having superior strength, durability and speed feats

There's also the fact that Excalibur prevents people from dying while they're holding it.... so good luck killing him.

Lol so dying and having little effect is a "good showing" nowadays ?

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Lol so dying and having little effect is a "good showing" nowadays ?
Carver just doesn't get it, it seems

Valiant but ultimately futile showings aren't enough when he's outmatched like this.

Originally posted by krisblaze
You left out some scans. Mainly of Ares getting wrecked and dying.

Strategy =/= plot and if you know anything you'd know that Britain was weakened by Roma at the time

Sure I have, I have Captain Britain actually WINNING A FIGHT.

There's also, you know, Britain having superior strength, durability and speed feats

There's also the fact that Excalibur prevents people from dying while they're holding it.... so good luck killing him.

You are clearly missing the point. Ares has a one shot kill weapon. Ares will land a lick...lots of them. Captain Britain can not afford to be stabbed. What does this lead to, a stomp. No one is saying Ares could beat Chaos King or Voided out Sentry but looking at the damaged he outputs, that's proof enough that he could one shot kill Brit. Now do you comprehend this or do I need to break it down even further for you? Let me know.

Why post that fight then when it is meaningless? Air walker was far above him. Captain Britain even admits this. How did Cap win? He was getting the life squeezed out of him and decided to put Air Walker wings together. Do you think Ares could replicate this? I do. Hell, Ares would've been a better challenge against Air Walker based off his fts.

What superior fts does Britain have. Name them.

Show me Captain Britain surviving a fatal wound.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Carver just doesn't get it, it seems

Valiant but ultimately futile showings aren't enough when he's outmatched like this.



Look at the two that is agreeing with each other. I was going to remove insane off of ignore, then I realized how much of a headache he is. I'll pass.

Originally posted by carver9
You are clearly missing the point. Ares has a one shot kill weapon. Ares will land a lick...lots of them. Captain Britain can not afford to be stabbed. What does this lead to, a stomp. No one is saying Ares could beat Chaos King or Voided out Sentry but looking at the damaged he outputs, that's proof enough that he could one shot kill Brit. Now do you comprehend this or do I need to break it down even further for you? Let me know.

The damage he output? They are completely unaffected.

How can you one-shot kill Britain when he is

a) Too fast for Ares

b) Skilled enough to fight the Black Knight when powerless

c) Has a forcefield

d) CAN NOT DIE WITH EXCALIBUR

Captain Britain was weakened against Air Walker, which I already told you.

Originally posted by carver9
Why post that fight then when it is meaningless? Air walker was far above him. Captain Britain even admits this. How did Cap win? He was getting the life squeezed out of him and decided to put Air Walker wings together. Do you think Ares could replicate this? I do. Hell, Ares would've been a better challenge against Air Walker based off his fts.
Ares isn't smart enough.

Brian's one of the smartest men in Marvel and Ares is dumb as a loaf of bread.

Britain also hurt Air Walker before that.


Originally posted by carver9
What superior fts does Britain have. Name them.

Or you could LOOK at the respect thread that I posted in the ****ing op?

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=607200&pagenumber=1

Just the top two feats would do. He breaks the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak and he lifts a jumbo jet.
Originally posted by carver9
Show me Captain Britain surviving a fatal wound.

Surviving a fatal wound? I don't understand. Surviving a wound that killed him?

He survied a blast by the powered up Fury, which was enough to kill MiracleMan.

He took Binary letting loose and knocked out several imperial guardians after.

He has done thousands of miles an hour.

He has dodged bullets instinctively.

He can knock out people with nerve-pinches.

He's skilled enough to fight The Black Knight.

I didn't really look at the big picture when I made this thread......but Ares is ****ed...

Well it isn't spite Kris. Britain pulls punches and fights rather level headed. Ares goes all out and is a brutal fighter. So a case can be made for either although based off feats Britain is no doubt superior.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Well it isn't spite Kris. Britain pulls punches and fights rather level headed. Ares goes all out and is a brutal fighter. So a case can be made for either although based off feats Britain is no doubt superior.
Fair enough.

Ares goes for the kill and Britain tries to avoid it.

I considered it a close fight, but I'm responding to Carver's extreme claims with some extreme claims of my own.

I suppose I'm the greater idiot for stooping to his level

Originally posted by krisblaze
Fair enough.

Ares goes for the kill and Britain tries to avoid it.

I considered it a close fight, but I'm responding to Carver's extreme claims with some extreme claims of my own.

I suppose I'm the greater idiot for stooping to his level

Yea well carver is only championing ares due to his fight with skaar. To admit Britain is better would somehow (in his mind) lower skaars standing.

Dont feel like scrolling back but does Britain have flight and other abilities?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Yea well carver is only championing ares due to his fight with skaar. To admit Britain is better would somehow (in his mind) lower skaars standing.

True, and that would in turn lower the Hulk's standing.

And he probably hates Britain because Britain made the AU Hulk cry.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Dont feel like scrolling back but does Britain have flight and other abilities?
He does!

He can do thousands of miles an hour.

He also has this nifty forcefield that he can use as a weapon:

http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Captain%20Britain%20respect%20thread/Misc/th_FF7.jpg

Originally posted by krisblaze
True, and that would in turn lower the Hulk's standing.

And he probably hates Britain because Britain made the AU Hulk cry.


He does!

He can do thousands of miles an hour.

He also has this nifty forcefield that he can use as a weapon:

http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Captain%20Britain%20respect%20thread/Misc/th_FF7.jpg

Yea i know his other abilities im asking are u allowing them?

Plus Iirc Ares did well against man thing

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Yea i know his other abilities im asking are u allowing them?

Plus Iirc Ares did well against man thing

I'm allowing them, but maybe I shouldn't?

I probably should've added some stips, but I just made the thread to spam the respect-thread

Man thing can heal from anything, but he has the durability of shrubbery, literally.

Originally posted by krisblaze
The damage he output? They are completely unaffected.

How can you one-shot kill Britain when he is

a) Too fast for Ares

b) Skilled enough to fight the Black Knight when powerless

c) Has a forcefield

d) CAN NOT DIE WITH EXCALIBUR

Captain Britain was weakened against Air Walker, which I already told you.


Ares isn't smart enough.

Brian's one of the smartest men in Marvel and Ares is dumb as a loaf of bread.

Britain also hurt Air Walker before that.




Or you could LOOK at the respect thread that I posted in the ****ing op?

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=607200&pagenumber=1

Just the top two feats would do. He breaks the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak and he lifts a jumbo jet.


Surviving a fatal wound? I don't understand. Surviving a wound that killed him?

He survied a blast by the powered up Fury, which was enough to kill MiracleMan.

He took Binary letting loose and knocked out several imperial guardians after.

He has done thousands of miles an hour.

He has dodged bullets instinctively.

He can knock out people with nerve-pinches.

He's skilled enough to fight The Black Knight.

I didn't really look at the big picture when I made this thread......but Ares is ****ed...

So you are saying Ares wouldn't be able to tag Britain?

How often does Britain use shields?

No one said he isn't skilled but Ares would work him.

He doesn't have to die with a fatal wound. Taking him out long enough does constitute as a forum win. What's Britain best healing ft and is Excalibur standard equipment?

Britain is smarter than Ares but this is a fight. Doesn't matter about intelligence when your opponent is more powerful than you.

Lol...so you are impressed with Britain withstanding attacks from Binary? Gotcha. Here, Binary was trying to kill Rogue (we all know why). Binary punch Rogue so hard that it sent her flying to the moon. This same Binary was contained by Colossus.

http://s78.photobucket.com/user/Rewmac/media/Scans/MsMarvel/Uncanny171-page19.jpg.html

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111115588/3273328-ms.marvel+1.jpg

Ares would work Rogue as well and beat Colossus.

Don't know why you keep bringing up speed fts when we both know Britain will get hit.

Naah, based off fts, Ares wins.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Yea well carver is only championing ares due to his fight with skaar. To admit Britain is better would somehow (in his mind) lower skaars standing.

Dont feel like scrolling back but does Britain have flight and other abilities?

Stop trolling. This has nothing to do with Hulk. I like Ares.

Carver, I doubt I'll sway you one way or the other.

Have a look at the respect-thread please.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Have a look at the respect-thread please.
Whose? CB got a respect thread now?

I'll be honest, I only really know him from the Excalibur years and boy did he have some horrifically bad showings. Since then, it seems like he's been getting more respect. Good for him.

Originally posted by carver9


Look at the two that is agreeing with each other. I was going to remove insane off of ignore, then I realized how much of a headache he is. I'll pass. so you'll just hide behind excuses and lies again.

Weak sauce

Originally posted by carver9
Stop trolling. This has nothing to do with Hulk. I like Ares.

Oh come on. You and i (and everyone on this forum for that matter matter) knows that any loss that would detract from the house that banner built would cause u to get all butt hurt. Britain with full use of his abilities with cis off would wreck ares. Ares has no legitimate wins except in his solo series..

Ares can whip out some power every now and then. He beat Abomination, slugged it out with scar, was even with Hercules. He doesn't have a lot of wins, but he's pretty tough.,

He lost to herc, u mean a-bomb not abomination ...i can't remember the skaar fight. No one is denying his skill just saying Britain is above him

Originally posted by Sin I AM
He lost to herc, u mean a-bomb not abomination ...i can't remember the skaar fight. No one is denying his skill just saying Britain is above him

Had Herc on the ropes.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103729/3647348-2777936107-35894.jpg

Had Herc on the ropes.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103729/3647346-7856513635-35894.jpg

Britain wouldn't have come close to doing that, unless again, you have proof.

Ares losing to these people isn't the issue. It's the fact that he was capable of standing up to them, even having an advantage at some point. We've seen Brit in similar situations, against powerhouses and he gets stomped. Not even a fight. Do you not understand this? Do you not understand this Sin I am?

Originally posted by carver9
Had Herc on the ropes.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103729/3647348-2777936107-35894.jpg

Had Herc on the ropes.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103729/3647346-7856513635-35894.jpg

Britain wouldn't have come close to doing that, unless again, you have proof.

Ares losing to these people isn't the issue. It's the fact that he was capable of standing up to them, even having an advantage at some point. We've seen Brit in similar situations, against powerhouses and he gets stomped. Not even a fight. Do you not understand this? Do you not understand this Sin I am?

Yeah i get it. Ares lost. Herc won.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
He lost to herc, u mean a-bomb not abomination ...i can't remember the skaar fight. No one is denying his skill just saying Britain is above him

Pretty much how I see it. How very reasonable of you.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Yeah i get it. Ares lost. Herc won.



Both loses when they face high top tiers, Ares looks better though. Ares has wins against physical strong or powerful beings 'without any context'...Britain doesn't share this glory. Thanks sin.

Lol.

Brian wins, but its damn close.

@ those context less scans.

Whose?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Whose? Carver, who else?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
He lost to herc, u meanl ab not abomination ...i can't remember the skaar fight. No one is denying his skill just saying Britain is above him

Yeah, but obviously there are degrees of wins and losses.

It's like when Thor beat Nul. Did he win? Sure. Does anyone really hold it against Nul? Not really. The circumstances matter.

And A-bomb is pretty freaking strong. He took the Sam beating that killed the original abomination.

The Skaar fight was just some heavy shots from both with no winner.

Originally posted by Mindset
Carver, who else?

I thought Abhi had a sudden moment of clarity.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I thought Abhi had a sudden moment of clarity. Not in this lifetime.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I thought Abhi had a sudden moment of clarity.
Seriously?

Anyway herc was dying from hydra blood bullets ares shot him with a few issues ago.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Seriously?

Anyway herc was dying from hydra blood bullets ares shot him with a few issues ago.

I see the clarity does not extend to my posts sneer

yeah, after all this, it's still extremely close. i don't think flight would make a difference. brian would fight on ares' terms far more often than not, and it would only take one solid, intent-to-kill blow from that axe to end this or make it nearly impossible for cap to win. i'd take ares for a slight majority if cap doesn't have his sword.

if he has his sword, it's a different battle altogether and cap would win it most of the time.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Seriously?

Anyway herc was dying from hydra blood bullets ares shot him with a few issues ago.

Dying and going crazy

He was going crazy but he was just as strong, just as durable, and more ruthless when they fought.

Originally posted by carver9
He was going crazy but he was just as strong, just as durable, and more ruthless when they fought. He was dying CORVAL!

http://i.imgur.com/XpIpJ7Y.jpg

Originally posted by Mindset
He was dying CORVAL!



You fool, Ares! By poisoning me with the blood of the Hydra, you have only made me more powerful than before. Your reckoning is at hand, braggart!

Originally posted by warden515
You fool, Ares! By poisoning me with the blood of the Hydra, you have only made me more powerful than before. Your reckoning is at hand, braggart! Yea, that was before he started dying.

Sigh

Originally posted by carver9
Sigh That's actually exactly what was shown in the comic, iirc Black Widow said he was dying.

Hydra blood gave him warrior madness-esque bump in strength in the beginning, but it was slowly killing him. His fight with Ares happened when he was weakening from the poison.

Originally posted by Mindset
That's actually exactly what was shown in the comic, iirc Black Widow said he was dying.

Hydra blood gave him warrior madness-esque bump in strength in the beginning, but it was slowly killing him. His fight with Ares happened when he was weakening from the poison.

So it was mentioned that he was weakening? Him being in Warrior Madness amped him. How far was he weakened during all of this. Example...if World Breaker Hulk or Sun dip Superman were dying, I feel safe at saying their strength is still above Herald level.

Originally posted by carver9
So it was mentioned that he was weakening? Him being in Warrior Madness amped him. How far was he weakened during all of this. Example...if World Breaker Hulk or Sun dip Superman were dying, I feel safe at saying their strength is still above Herald level. Have you not read the comics?

Originally posted by Mindset
Have you not read the comics?

Which scene? Was there a part that said he was weakening?

Originally posted by carver9
Which scene? Was there a part that said he was weakening? The scene in the comic that you didn't read.

Tbh, I don't really remember what happened.

I was always told Hercules was weakened.

Does anyone have a scan of this? It's obvious that if you are poisoned it will kill you. Pretty sure it was killing him when it entered his blood stream but it did not weaken him...it amped him.

I don't recall any scene where it said it amped him only made him go crazy and was killing him.

Originally posted by -K-M-
I don't recall any scene where it said it amped him only made him go crazy and was killing him.
Yup. And the crazy part was unexpected. Ares wanted to kill/hurt Hercules because of their old blood feud.

Originally posted by -K-M-
I don't recall any scene where it said it amped him only made him go crazy and was killing him.
Hercules was clearly dying, but I just chalk it up as a good showing for both of them. Ares didn't get completely dumpster-stomped like he was by Ikaris and Thor, and Hercules won despite bad odds

Leave it to Carver to -completely- ignore context.

Originally posted by zopzop
Whose? CB got a respect thread now?

I'll be honest, I only really know him from the Excalibur years and boy did he have some horrifically bad showings. Since then, it seems like he's been getting more respect. Good for him.

Hell yeah he did, by none other than me.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t607200.html

I didn't mentioned it in the Captain Britain 101 because of the one-post text limit, but Captain Britain was depowered through almost all of Excalibur;

Originally posted by krisblaze


Also, as some may have noticed, Captain Britain was less than spectacular in early Excalibur, and more of a douche.This is because Roma puts a curse of enfeeblement on him, which reduces his strength and causes him to fail whenever he tries to act independently, from Excalibur #47:
Explained here by Merlyn
And confirmed here by Roma

Not only that, but his suit actually prevented him from fully developing and accessing his own power, confirmed by himself here in Captain Britain v2 #13:
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Captain%20Britain%20respect%20thread/Bios%20and%20etc/Suitinhib.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Does anyone have a scan of this? It's obvious that if you are poisoned it will kill you. Pretty sure it was killing him when it entered his blood stream but it did not weaken him...it amped him.
http://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/herculesares20.jpg
http://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/herculesares21.jpg

Originally posted by krisblaze
Hell yeah he did, by none other than me.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t607200.html
Very nice!


That actually explains A LOT of the shenanigans that went down in that series. Seems like Brian isn't the scrub people thought he was.