Dr Doom vs Gladiator

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Insane Titan
Straight up fight

Both know who they are fighting etc with both knowing standard info on each other

Who wins

Stoic
Probably Doom, unless Gladiator can somehow believe that Doom's magic has no effect on him. On the other hand Gladiator has an incredible speed advantage on Doom, and may beat him with speed and strength before Doom can react. Gladiator is no Sentry though.

leonidas
it's possible glads can win this. the longer the fight goes the more it favors doom though...

zopzop
Originally posted by leonidas
it's possible glads can win this. the longer the fight goes the more it favors doom though...

StiltmanFTW
Don't see Glads faring better than Nefaria.

ODG
^ To be fair, Gladiator isn't powered by ionic energy.

StiltmanFTW
What I meant was that it shouldn't be much trouble for Doom to exploit Gladiator's weakness(es).

Now I don't know if replicating that specific radiation type that Gladiator is weak to is within prepless Doom's abilities, but he sure as hell can make Glads lose his confidence. Victor exceeds at making everyone around him feel inferior.

ODG
^ Gladiator also has a weakness to magic.

tkitna
Originally posted by ODG
^ Gladiator also has a weakness to magic.

If it wasn't for this, he would thrash Doom.

krisblaze
Was Gladiator's "weakness to magic" ever really explored?

As far as I recall it was just mentioned briefly during war of kings or something and then never picked up on.

I'd put Gladiator well above Doom in straight combat ability.

carver9
Love Glads but I'm giving this to Doom. That magic weakness will play it's part in this battle.

JayDaDon
Doom has the durability/smarts and power to make the fight last long enough to drop Glads confidence for sure.

krisblaze
Originally posted by JayDaDon
Doom has the durability/smarts and power to make the fight last long enough to drop Glads confidence for sure.

I disagree.

Gladiator doesn't suddenly drop in power unless there's something very, very specific that makes it falter.

quanchi112
Doom. Barely.

JayDaDon
Originally posted by krisblaze
I disagree.

Gladiator doesn't suddenly drop in power unless there's something very, very specific that makes it falter.

Yeah, the incredibly strong Magic will help with that.

krisblaze
Originally posted by JayDaDon
Yeah, the incredibly strong Magic will help with that.
How?

They never did anything with Gladiator's supposed weakness to magic.

There's no reason to believe that Doom's level of magic would do anything to Gladiator's confidence...

JayDaDon
Doom's level? He is arguably right under Doctor Strange in magic. His magic is on a high, HIGH level.

StiltmanFTW
Yes, Doom is far from being a pushover in the magic department. Hell, he even made one of his Doombots use magic...

Didn't know about Glads being specifically vulnerable to it, though. Anyone has that WoK scan on hand?

Prof. T.C McAbe
In a Forum fight, Glads would end it fast. In a Comic he would go down.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
In a Forum fight, Glads would end it fast. In a Comic he would go down. You said good guys always win in the comics now completely change your stance.

laughing out loud

Mindset
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
In a Forum fight, Glads would end it fast. In a Comic he would go down. Nope, Doom wins.

Galan007
Originally posted by krisblaze
Was Gladiator's "weakness to magic" ever really explored? Not really. It was just stated that even the most powerful of his race are vulnerable to magic:
http://i.imgur.com/3zkub9U.jpg

Said weakness was also confirmed in his bio:
http://i.imgur.com/BM7r0oG.jpg


Anyway, Doom wins by virtue of possessing some of the most powerful magic in Marvel.

JayDaDon
Doom used some backhanded spell and sent Sentry reeling. Sentry. More powerful than Gladiator with no magic weakness. Glads' confidence would PLUMMET if Doom used even just that.

StiltmanFTW
To be fair, Sentry was really suspectible to that kind of a spell because of his insanity. That was commented on later in the same issue.

One_Angry_Scot
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
To be fair, Sentry was really suspectible to that kind of a spell because of his insanity. That was commented on later in the same issue.

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Originally posted by JayDaDon
Doom used some backhanded spell and sent Sentry reeling. Sentry. More powerful than Gladiator with no magic weakness. Glads' confidence would PLUMMET if Doom used even just that.

That was a Spirit Reversal spell that confronted him with the Void.

It makes you see your worst imaginable nightmares. A bit of context to that. So all that spell would do is make Gladiator see his worst nightmare. Which would probably weaken Glads.

JayDaDon
Ok I didnt remember if they gave any explanation as to the nature of the spell

Mindset
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
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That was a Spirit Reversal spell that confronted him with the Void.

It makes you see your worst imaginable nightmares. A bit of context to that. So all that spell would do is make Gladiator see his worst nightmare. Which would probably weaken Glads. Yea, that would probably be a great spell to use on someone whose powers depend on their mental state.

Mindset
Originally posted by JayDaDon
Ok I didnt remember if they gave any explanation as to the nature of the spell They really didn't go in depth.

It just said it was a spirit reversal spell iirc.

One_Angry_Scot
Originally posted by JayDaDon
Ok I didnt remember if they gave any explanation as to the nature of the spell

Yeah here it is.

http://i.imgur.com/CaypJtDl.jpg

"He reacted too strongly to that Spirit Reversal spell".

Thought I would quote it as writing is very small.

JayDaDon
Originally posted by Mindset
Yea, that would probably be a great spell to use on someone whose powers depend on their mental state.

Good point

Galan007
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Yeah here it is.

http://i.imgur.com/CaypJtDl.jpg

"He reacted too strongly to that Spirit Reversal spell".

Thought I would quote it as writing is very small. Here are some better quality/readable scans:
http://i.imgur.com/jRzgEiS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kI6a40m.jpg

-Mighty Avengers #10 (2008)

One_Angry_Scot
Originally posted by Galan007
Here are some better quality/readable scans:
http://i.imgur.com/jRzgEiS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kI6a40m.jpg

-Mighty Avengers #10 (2008)

Ah don't worry I had the comic on my HDD but I had to put it on medium imgur size otherwise the whole page gets messed up.

h1a8
I see Glads attacking before Doom can respond. Glads wins everything this way. But if Glads allows Doom to operate then Glads loses IMO.

carver9
Glads better attack with something he's never shown on panel. Doom armor handled punches from Cosmic Hulk. This Hulk had cosmic energy inside of him that came straight from Galactus himself. If he withstand these blows, that's all he need to do is cast a spell and it's done. Anyone with magic weakness, isn't beating Doom.

h1a8
Originally posted by carver9
Glads better attack with something he's never shown on panel. Doom armor handled punches from Cosmic Hulk. This Hulk had cosmic energy inside of him that came straight from Galactus himself. If he withstand these blows, that's all he need to do is cast a spell and it's done. Anyone with magic weakness, isn't beating Doom. then I'll argue that Hulk did hit him hard enough. Don't worry, Glads will and with planet destroying power too.

krisblaze
Originally posted by Galan007
Not really. It was just stated that even the most powerful of his race are vulnerable to magic:
http://i.imgur.com/3zkub9U.jpg

Said weakness was also confirmed in his bio:
http://i.imgur.com/BM7r0oG.jpg


Anyway, Doom wins by virtue of possessing some of the most powerful magic in Marvel.
And in the scan Gladiator's confidence holds up against magic.

I'm just amazed that people instantly give Doom the win here because of a mind-spell against the Sentry and some unproven magic weakness.

From what I've seen Gladiator's done far better against most opponents than Doom.

JayDaDon
Doom has some really good hand to hand showings against the Hulk, who has beaten the mess out of Glads. If he can take what the Hulk can dish out Glads shouldn't be too much for his armor+shields.

krisblaze
Originally posted by JayDaDon
Doom has some really good hand to hand showings against the Hulk, who has beaten the mess out of Glads. If he can take what the Hulk can dish out Glads shouldn't be too much for his armor+shields.
This is some terrible logic.

Gladiator lost to the Hulk because he took a thunderclap to the ears and then he was dragged to a nuclear reactor...

Bringing up this kind of nonsense just makes me want to bring up all the ridiculously low showings that doom has.

This is also the worst line of reasoning. "Doom's armour withstood hits from Hulk, ergo anyone who's lost to the Hulk will be beaten by Doom". Real hits from Gladiator would slice through Doom's armour like a hot knife through butter...

JayDaDon
Doom has shields that have stood up to far worse. We can't discount the win. Hulk beat Glads. One way or the other it was going to happen. We've seen doom physically go toe to toe with the Hulk multiple times. That alone speaks to his suit's strength. Again, his shields have just straight up taken FAR more damage than Gladiator can dish out. They'll stand long enough for Doom to Magic whammy him.

krisblaze
Originally posted by JayDaDon
Doom has shields that have stood up to far worse. We can't discount the win. Hulk beat Glads. One way or the other it was going to happen. We've seen doom physically go toe to toe with the Hulk multiple times. That alone speaks to his suit's strength. Again, his shields have just straight up taken FAR more damage than Gladiator can dish out. They'll stand long enough for Doom to Magic whammy him.
Who is physically far worse than Gladiator?

Fighting the Hulk doesn't somehow mean that you'll be immune to Gladiator's attacks, far from it. Spidey's got phucking 2 wins and like 5 fights against the Hulk...

There's no reason to believe that Doom's magic would affect Gladiator's confidence. He's got mind-shields, insane willpower and proof of magic not having an effect on his confidence.

I'm leaning towards a dozen super-punches straight through Doom's headpiece.

carver9
Originally posted by JayDaDon
Doom has shields that have stood up to far worse. We can't discount the win. Hulk beat Glads. One way or the other it was going to happen. We've seen doom physically go toe to toe with the Hulk multiple times. That alone speaks to his suit's strength. Again, his shields have just straight up taken FAR more damage than Gladiator can dish out. They'll stand long enough for Doom to Magic whammy him.

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True. Doom does do well against Hulk and Hulk has literally digested every Superman analogy in Marvel.

carver9
Originally posted by h1a8
then I'll argue that Hulk did hit him hard enough. Don't worry, Glads will and with planet destroying power too.

Then you'll need to provide some proof that an android holds back, a powerful one at that. One that was sent to bring Doom back to the leader at any cause.

What I mean by powerful is this...

http://sp4.fotolog.com/photo/20/27/88/coming_soon912/1266692933678_f.jpg

Ran through Rulk and Abomination in a speed blitz fashion with ease and Doom tanked everything this Hulk threw at him.

One_Angry_Scot
Originally posted by carver9
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True. Doom does do well against Hulk and Hulk has literally digested every Superman analogy in Marvel.

Not literally.

carver9
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Not literally.

Didn't mean to say digested but he has besides Sun God which I think had context and even before being defeated, he was curbing him. Did you send that message for me?

One_Angry_Scot
Originally posted by carver9
Didn't mean to say digested but he has besides Sun God which I think had context and even before being defeated, he was curbing him. Did you send that message for me?

I was partly joking considering he hasn't digested any hero.

But yeah in all truth if I was being serious I don't consider Sentry a Superman analogue but I can guess you are lumping him in there.

Because Sentry if anything is a pure Miracleman analogue through and through.

I wouldn't say he's digested Hyperion or Sentry for that matter. If I recall he had that one fight with Hyperion it was even. So I can't call that digestion. Plus we all know the fights Sentry has had with Hulk has had with Sentry (one of them he actually won and the other being a stalemate (WWH).

Then you have the Gladiator fight which he won I guess but as we know some dispute it.

So in short I disagree with the term you used (although you appear to not have meant it) and I would disagree with your revisioned term as well unless you give a better explanation.

In short.

http://i.imgur.com/n7zEX9k.gif

carver9
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
I was partly joking considering he hasn't digested any hero.

But yeah in all truth if I was being serious I don't consider Sentry a Superman analogue but I can guess you are lumping him in there.

Because Sentry if anything is a pure Miracleman analogue through and through.

I wouldn't say he's digested Hyperion or Sentry for that matter. If I recall he had that one fight with Hyperion it was even. So I can't call that digestion. Plus we all know the fights Sentry has had with Hulk has had with Sentry (one of them he actually won and the other being a stalemate (WWH).

Then you have the Gladiator fight which he won I guess but as we know some dispute it.

So in short I disagree with the term you used (although you appear to not have meant it) and I would disagree with your revisioned term as well unless you give a better explanation.

In short.

http://i.imgur.com/n7zEX9k.gif

He beat Hyperion. Here is the fight.

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media-full/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsHyperion01aGiant-SizeDefenders4.jpg.html

Next panel, Hyperion is laid out and he aided in someone not being injured when hitting the ground.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsHyperion02a.jpg

I had a write up but my computer did an auto update and shut everything down. All in all, the people that doesn't believe Gladiator was defeated by Hulk is wrong. Hell, it has never been mentioned that the radiation weakens him (when he has been hit by it), it just causes him uncontrollable pain. Then, Gladiator was out way before Hulk dipped him in the reactor.

Wasn't talking bait Sentry though.

One_Angry_Scot
Originally posted by carver9
He beat Hyperion. Here is the fight.

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media-full/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsHyperion01aGiant-SizeDefenders4.jpg.html

Next panel, Hyperion is laid out and he aided in someone not being injured when hitting the ground.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsHyperion02a.jpg

I had a write up but my computer did an auto update and shut everything down. All in all, the people that doesn't believe Gladiator was defeated by Hulk is wrong. Hell, it has never been mentioned that the radiation weakens him (when he has been hit by it), it just causes him uncontrollable pain. Then, Gladiator was out way before Hulk dipped him in the reactor.

Wasn't talking bait Sentry though.

When you said Supe analogue I thought you was referring to Hype's most recent, so apologies there thumb up

It was mentioned by Surfer I think.

Good to see you wasn't speaking of Sentry in that case.

Hope you didn't take the gif as an offense.

DarkSaint85
I hope carver was offended.

carver9
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
When you said Supe analogue I thought you was referring to Hype's most recent, so apologies there thumb up

It was mentioned by Surfer I think.

Good to see you wasn't speaking of Sentry in that case.

Hope you didn't take the gif as an offense.

Lol...naah, I wasn't offended.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I hope carver was offended.

laughing out loud

krisblaze
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
When you said Supe analogue I thought you was referring to Hype's most recent, so apologies there thumb up

It was mentioned by Surfer I think.

Good to see you wasn't speaking of Sentry in that case.

Hope you didn't take the gif as an offense.
Don't treat it like people.

h1a8
Originally posted by carver9
Then you'll need to provide some proof that an android holds back, a powerful one at that. One that was sent to bring Doom back to the leader at any cause.

What I mean by powerful is this...

http://sp4.fotolog.com/photo/20/27/88/coming_soon912/1266692933678_f.jpg

Ran through Rulk and Abomination in a speed blitz fashion with ease and Doom tanked everything this Hulk threw at him. I never implied that Hulk held back. I said he simply didn't hit him hard enough. Not with planet destroying power that Glads has shown.

carver9
Originally posted by h1a8
I never implied that Hulk held back. I said he simply didn't hit him hard enough. Not with planet destroying power that Glads has shown.


Cosmic Hulk>Gladiator. He was there to bring Doom in, no matter the cause. You don't have anything helping you here.

Prof. T.C McAbe
Hulk vs Hyperion, undecided fight
Hulk vs SunGod, easy win for SunGod
Hulk vs Gladiator, Hulk won, but wasn't it due some radiation?

h1a8
Originally posted by carver9
Cosmic Hulk>Gladiator. He was there to bring Doom in, no matter the cause. You don't have anything helping you here. you haven't shown that version of hulk capable of hitting with planet shattering forces. Nor have you shown Doom withstanding his blows unprepared.

carver9
Originally posted by h1a8
you haven't shown that version of hulk capable of hitting with planet shattering forces. Nor have you shown Doom withstanding his blows unprepared.

So the people that hasn't destroyed a planet is weaker than Gladiator?

-Pr-
laughing out loud the irony...

carver9
Huh?

Reflassshh
Carv, show me Doom 'keeping up' with bannerless Hulk.

abhilegend
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
I was partly joking considering he hasn't digested any hero.

But yeah in all truth if I was being serious I don't consider Sentry a Superman analogue but I can guess you are lumping him in there.

Because Sentry if anything is a pure Miracleman analogue through and through.

I wouldn't say he's digested Hyperion or Sentry for that matter. If I recall he had that one fight with Hyperion it was even. So I can't call that digestion. Plus we all know the fights Sentry has had with Hulk has had with Sentry (one of them he actually won and the other being a stalemate (WWH).

Then you have the Gladiator fight which he won I guess but as we know some dispute it.

So in short I disagree with the term you used (although you appear to not have meant it) and I would disagree with your revisioned term as well unless you give a better explanation.

In short.

And Miracleman is a Superman/Captain Marvel analogue through and through. So?

carver9
Wait a minute. Doom beat a Banner less Hulk.

carver9
The worst story ever but Doom did beat Banner less Hulk.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111160573/4021943-9688326380-35078.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111160573/4021944-2799111607-35078.jpg

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
Then you'll need to provide some proof that an android holds back, a powerful one at that. One that was sent to bring Doom back to the leader at any cause.

What I mean by powerful is this...

http://sp4.fotolog.com/photo/20/27/88/coming_soon912/1266692933678_f.jpg

Ran through Rulk and Abomination in a speed blitz fashion with ease and Doom tanked everything this Hulk threw at him.
That robot was amped on Rulk's own energies at that point. Thing tore it apart previously FFS.

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
The worst story ever but Doom did beat Banner less Hulk.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111160573/4021943-9688326380-35078.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111160573/4021944-2799111607-35078.jpg
Mere lightning KOed hulk? What a pussy!

carver9
Originally posted by abhilegend
That robot was amped on Rulk's own energies at that point. Thing tore it apart previously FFS.


Hhhhmmmm...

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media-full/Hulk/Screenshot_2014-06-17-08-20-24_zps9cb3306e.png.html

Reflassshh
Originally posted by carver9
The worst story ever but Doom did beat Banner less Hulk.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111160573/4021943-9688326380-35078.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111160573/4021944-2799111607-35078.jpg Mmh.. facepalm

abhilegend
Your point is?

h1a8
Originally posted by carver9
So the people that hasn't destroyed a planet is weaker than Gladiator? nope. There are people that are more powerful than Gladiator that hasn't destroyed a planet. Some feats are simple greater than planet destroying. Bottomline, Glads will hit Doom hard enough to rock him, preventing him from doing a spell. If not then you are suggesting that Doom will no sell Gladiator. And that is asinine.

carver9
Originally posted by h1a8
nope. There are people that are more powerful than Gladiator that hasn't destroyed a planet. Some feats are simple greater than planet destroying. Bottomline, Glads will hit Doom hard enough to rock him, preventing him from doing a spell. If not then you are suggesting that Doom will no sell Gladiator. And that is asinine.

Never said 'no sell'. What I did say is, he can withstand attacks from Gladiator long enough to do a spell.

h1a8
Originally posted by carver9
Never said 'no sell'. What I did say is, he can withstand attacks from Gladiator long enough to do a spell. He would need to be thinking clearly to do that. Glad could possibly ko Doom in a few good lightning fast hits. Plus said spell's energy beam has to hit Glads first.

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