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No weapons, no belt for Batman.

Who wins this ?

Giving this to DD.

DD.

Very very slight edge to Matt

51/100

Pre 52 Batman 7/10, faster, stronger, more skilled, the only advantage Daredevil has is senses and it's never stopped highly trained fighters from hitting him.

New 52 Batman 8/10, same as Pre 52 but hits much harder, his hits will cripple Matty

hahaha...Batman stomps, this dude kicks motorcycles in half and benches 1000lbs, he's physically way out of DDs league and he's more skilled at h2h than Matt is, I know a lot of you are in denial and can't handle that fact but its true, I don't really have the time or the inclination to argue about it and post example after example so ill just post a link that'll do all the talking for me. Enjoy haters.

http://batmanfeats.blogspot.ca/p/martial-arts.html

Batman. He fought for like 23 hours straight (No rest). Dude has been a physical beast.

I'd say Matt slightly. He still has that one shot radar strike. Wish he used it more often.

Batman. Just all round better feats.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
I'd say Matt slightly. He still has that one shot radar strike. Wish he used it more often.

Bruce has gadgets that can really mess up his senses.

Oops, sorry. No weapons.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Bruce has gadgets that can really mess up his senses.

No gadgets bro.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Batman. He fought for like 23 hours straight (No rest). Dude has been a physical beast.

He did so in freezing cold weather with little clothing on.

Originally posted by relentless1
hahaha...Batman stomps, this dude kicks motorcycles in half and benches 1000lbs, he's physically way out of DDs league and he's more skilled at h2h than Matt is, I know a lot of you are in denial and can't handle that fact but its true, I don't really have the time or the inclination to argue about it and post example after example so ill just post a link that'll do all the talking for me. Enjoy haters.

http://batmanfeats.blogspot.ca/p/martial-arts.html why did you link to a different characters respect thread...

It's like using Ultimate versions of characters but calling out 616 feats.

theres plenty of new 52 feats in there as well, besides, Batman is virtually the same wether its pre 52 or n52 version so whats your point?

So you agree your mixing continuities but passing them off as one character?

23 hours of fighting is nice and all, but Matt would take Batman out in 23 minutes.

Dcnu batman would probably be a more difficult match for Matt, since he's physically better.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Dcnu batman would probably be a more difficult match for Matt, since he's physically better.
Physicall superior to preboot Bats?

How do you figure?

lol, it doesn't matter pym, either way, take your pick of the feats, new 52 or not Batman is superior to DD in fighting prowess and he's most certainly physically superior to him as well

Originally posted by krisblaze
Physicall superior to preboot Bats?

How do you figure?

Him owning Bane, his showing against Grayson (who's gone up against Midnighter a few times, and his endurance feat, which I don't think pre flashpoint has accomplished.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Him owning Bane, his showing against Grayson (who's gone up against Midnighter a few times, and his endurance feat, which I don't think pre flashpoint has accomplished.
His fight against Bane doesn't speak to any superhuman stats.

None of these feats do.

Originally posted by krisblaze
His fight against Bane doesn't speak to any superhuman stats.

None of these feats do.

I didn't say he was super human type stats, just physically superior to his past self. Pre-Flashpoint, I'd give Batman the small majority as I do here.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Batman. He fought for like 23 hours straight (No rest). Dude has been a physical beast. It was 28 hours

Originally posted by riv6672
23 hours of fighting is nice and all, but Matt would take Batman out in 23 minutes. lol Matt won't even last 2 minutes. New 52 Batman is capable of one shotting giant robots, his standard punches kicks will kill Matt unless he holds back.

The only way Daredevil can stalemate Batman is if Daredevils at 100% and Batman fights at like 58%, if Batman fights at any more then Daredevil will need years to recover from every his injuries.

Haha, no.

Haha yah, Batman's giant robot busting kicks will send Matt to the after life unless he holds back tremendously.

Daredevil at 100% = Batman at 58%

Some robot < Ultron.

sneer

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3841/751/1600/DD276-Stick01.jpg

I'm sure some of you actualy jerk off to Batman pictures on your wall. I see logic has been defeated by fanboys.

Niiice DD scan.

Also, these robots Batman keeps kicking, they dont dodge.

Batman, pre DCnU 8/10
Current 9/10

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Some robot < Ultron.

sneer

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3841/751/1600/DD276-Stick01.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11113/111130781/3560641-6181148187-16903.jpg

http://s14.directupload.net/images/131214/x4n96mai.jpg

Pretty scans mean nothing?
Pretty scans mean nothing.
This from a guy with a PhD.

Originally posted by riv6672
Pretty scans mean nothing?

It makes about as much sense as DD owning Ultron with a stick.

Ultron is up there with the embodiment of God's Wrath, now?

Originally posted by Supermutant
It makes about as much sense as DD owning Ultron with a stick.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ultron is up there with the embodiment of BatGod's Wrath, now?

FIFY. Presence = Batman, canon.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ultron is up there with the embodiment of God's Wrath, now?
Whaddaya mean, NOW?

https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/wolverineff14.jpg

https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/wolverineff15.jpg

https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/wolverineff16.jpg

https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/wolverineff17.jpg

https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/wolverineff18.jpg

https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/wolverineff19.jpg

https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/wolverineff20.jpg

https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/wolverineff211.jpg

https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/wolverineff22.jpg

Wolverine then falls on a sword and the fight is over.

https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/wolverineff23.jpg

DD fought the hand and Wolverine and still came out on top. Wolverine would SLAUGHTER Bane. I can post his Psylocke fight as well. Or his fights against Spiderman. The list goes on. DD wins this.

Here is the entire fight.



http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Random/w-24-05.jpg

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Random/w-24-10.jpg

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http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Random/w-24-12.jpg

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A; Wolverine was mind controlled (and had been fighting against his programming
B; Their real target was Elektra, and it was just to draw her out.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
A; Wolverine was mind controlled (and had been fighting against his programming
B; Their real target was Elektra, and it was just to draw her out.

He was mind controlled (its mentioned in the scans) but he was still a beast. He worked everyone that came his way. Even took out my boy Ben Grimm.

Vs Deadpool.

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Vs Black Panther

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http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/2658268-1908043_daredevil_v1__245_burn_.cbr___page_20.jpg

Combat feats don't equal physical feats.

Spiderman can beat Rhino, does that make him able to lift 80 tons?

Lifting feats =/= fighting feats.

This is a fighting thread. Lifting 1000lbs is all fine and dandy, but not as good as smacking someone who can lift 1000lbs...

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Combat feats don't equal physical feats.

Spiderman can beat Rhino, does that make him able to lift 80 tons?

This isn't a weight lifting contest. It's obvious strength is a wash here. We are arguing about street level characters, not planet benchers. Daredevil fts are better overall. This is a fight. What has DCNU Batman shown that gives him the edge here.?

Originally posted by carver9
This isn't a weight lifting contest. It's obvious strength is a wash here. We are arguing about street level characters, not planet benchers. Daredevil fts are better overall. This is a fight. What has DCNU Batman shown that gives him the edge here.?

Fought for 28 hours in freezing cold weather with little clothing.

One shotting highly advanced armored robots.

Armor is bullet proof.

Your only argument is Daredevil fighting all these people when he has been beaten by less. Show me him fighting for long periods of time in harsh conditions. Show me him taking bullets like nothing, and no I don't want him surviving a punch from someone like Panther or Cap, show me bullets not affecting him. Show me him tanking a point blank building busting blast like Batman.

I don't want a combat feat, I want to see him actually do anything close to this.

Sorry but in this kind of thread combat feats are all that matters.

But as a wise (fighter) once said, 'boards don't hit back'.

What is the point of him fighting in freezing cold weather with little clothing? Does that mean if it was a nice warm dojo, he can fight for 56 hours?

Robots are....well, there's Ultron.

Bulletproof armour is great. Amazing. Wonderful. So what? It's not as if he has it here. He has it in all those lovely little scans that have been shown, but he doesn't have it here. OP specified no weapons - and Batman has weaponised his suit (tasers, chemical pellets etc). So his suit counts as a weapon.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Fought for 28 hours in freezing cold weather with little clothing.

One shotting highly advanced armored robots.

Armor is bullet proof.

Your only argument is Daredevil fighting all these people when he has been beaten by less. Show me him fighting for long periods of time in harsh conditions. Show me him taking bullets like nothing, and no I don't want him surviving a punch from someone like Panther or Cap, show me bullets not affecting him. Show me him tanking a point blank building busting blast like Batman.

I don't want a combat feat, I want to see him actually do anything close to this.



Why do I need to show you any of those things? This isn't a durability/strength ft thread. Again, we are discussing street level character. You naming all or those fts are irrelevant since Wolverine would one shot kill Batman (if the opportunity arose) and DD has done well against him. I'm not naming everything but everything you said is irrelevant in a fight like this. The people DD has fought and lasted against is better than fighting for 20+ hrs straight (depending on who you are fighting). Him withstanding punches from an angry Spiderman is better than taking a bullet in an non dying area on your body. There are streets that has fought through being shot and some doesn't stand a chance against DD.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But as a wise (fighter) once said, 'boards don't hit back'.

What is the point of him fighting in freezing cold weather with little clothing? Does that mean if it was a nice warm dojo, he can fight for 56 hours?

Robots are....well, there's Ultron.

Bulletproof armour is great. Amazing. Wonderful. So what? It's not as if he has it here. He has it in all those lovely little scans that have been shown, but he doesn't have it here. OP specified no weapons - and Batman has weaponised his suit (tasers, chemical pellets etc). So his suit counts as a weapon.

But it shows great striking power if he broke it with ease.

Better stamina feats, showing he can last longer than Daredevil.

Spectre >>>>>>>>

It said no belt, not armor.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Fought for 28 hours in freezing cold weather with little clothing.

One shotting highly advanced armored robots.

Armor is bullet proof.

Your only argument is Daredevil fighting all these people when he has been beaten by less. Show me him fighting for long periods of time in harsh conditions. Show me him taking bullets like nothing, and no I don't want him surviving a punch from someone like Panther or Cap, show me bullets not affecting him. Show me him tanking a point blank building busting blast like Batman.

I don't want a combat feat, I want to see him actually do anything close to this.

So for a thread about a HTH fight, you want feats of things like bullets and blasts rather than those that showcase fighting skill and ability?

By that virtue, Punisher >>>> Batman, if we're going by durability/shrugging off bullet feats.

Originally posted by Reflassshh
Sorry but in this kind of thread combat feats are all that matters.


Karate kid.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
But it shows great striking power if he broke it with ease.

Better stamina feats, showing he can last longer than Daredevil.

Spectre >>>>>>>>

It said no belt, not armor.

The Spectre showing has context.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Karate kid.

When did DCNU Batman fight KK?

Originally posted by Werewolf582
But it shows great striking power if he broke it with ease.

Better stamina feats, showing he can last longer than Daredevil.

Spectre >>>>>>>>

It said no belt, not armor.

Yes, but...ah, you've missed the point of the quote lol.

Stamina is great - do you REALLY think the fight will be going on for 28 hours? 24? 15? 8? Even if it goes on for FIVE hours, constantly....that's already pretty hardcore, do you think these two are that evenly matched?

No.

The fight is going to go on for a good few minutes, and will be ended inside of an hour, at the level these two go at.

Haha. I guess you didn't see the bit about the Spectre then.

Doesn't say anything about armour. I DELIBERATELY said weapons. As a Bat-fan, surely you know Batman has weaponised his suit? That it has tasers built in, gas delivery systems built into the cowl etc? You DO know that his suit itself is a weapon, right?

Originally posted by carver9


Why do I need to show you any of those things? This isn't a durability/strength ft thread. Again, we are discussing street level character. You naming all or those fts are irrelevant since Wolverine would one shot kill Batman (if the opportunity arose) and DD has done well against him. I'm not naming everything but everything you said is irrelevant in a fight like this. The people DD has fought and lasted against is better than fighting for 20+ hrs straight (depending on who you are fighting). Him withstanding punches from an angry Spiderman is better than taking a bullet in an non dying area on your body. There are streets that has fought through being shot and some doesn't stand a chance against DD.

PIS, Daredevil surving attacks from people who outclass him in almost everything is supposed to be taken into consideration. Why do striking and durability feats not matter? Seeing how Batman outclasses him in both. Again, show me a stamina feat that matches Batmans instead of trying to use combat feats as an excuse. You mean those same people that outclass him in almost everything yet he still wins?

Originally posted by Werewolf582
PIS, Daredevil surving attacks from people who outclass him in almost everything is supposed to be taken into consideration. Why do striking and durability feats not matter? Seeing how Batman outclasses him in both. Again, show me a stamina feat that matches Batmans instead of trying to use combat feats as an excuse. You mean those same people that outclass him in almost everything yet he still wins?

So you bring up Batman vs Spectre but is screaming PIS? Really?

I already posted some fights for you showcasing everything you need to know about DD.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
By that virtue, Punisher >>>> Batman, if we're going by durability/shrugging off bullet feats.

Bullets didn't affect Batman, bullets have affected Punisher.

Didn't punisher also keep up Daredevil a couple times? I might be wrong on that so please correct me if so.

Originally posted by carver9
So you bring up Batman vs Spectre but is screaming PIS? Really?

I already posted some fights for you showcasing everything you need to know about DD.

Can you not keep up? I used the spectre scan to show combat feats doesn't put you on the high level.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Can you not keep up? I used the spectre scan to show combat feats doesn't put you on the high level.

What you fail to understand is the context with the Spectre ft. Please read the comic. It's not even a valid ft for Batman.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So for a thread about a HTH fight, you want feats of things like bullets and blasts rather than those that showcase fighting skill and ability?

The are both near equal in combat, so its moot to keep bringing it up. It'll come down to who is more physically fit.

In pure h2h, I'm not seeing how Batman could win.

Mainly because things like feints, or slipping something past him, just won't work thanks to the radar vision and ability to sense heart rates and such... Matt's going to be able to read Bruce like a book.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
The are both near equal in combat, so its moot to keep bringing it up. It'll come down to who is more physically fit.

So bringing up fighting ability and skill in a thread about HTH is bad, Yet bringing up bullets and blasts, two things that have zero to do with a hth fight is good?

Anyways, DD vs Psylocke.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/78977/3109725-2464485-zone_empire_002.jpg
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http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/78977/3109734-2464496-zone_empire_011.jpg

She had to trick him to gain an advantage and even admits that she can't beat him H2H. Do I need to post what Psylocke is capable of?

Originally posted by carver9
What you fail to understand is the context with the Spectre ft. Please read the comic. It's not even a valid ft for Batman.

So the ultron feat is? Never knew DD was planet level, I know its not valid but you keep showing Dardedevil fighting all these people when

1. He's beaten by less
2. Is outclassed against them yet still somehow keeps up
3. Batman has also taken on big names over the years, that does NOT mean he is on thier level.

Originally posted by cdtm
In pure h2h, I'm not seeing how Batman could win.

Mainly because things like feints, or slipping something past him, just won't work thanks to the radar vision and ability to sense heart rates and such... Matt's going to be able to read Bruce like a book.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
So the ultron feat is? Never knew DD was planet level, I know its not valid but you keep showing Dardedevil fighting all these people when

1. He's beaten by less
2. Is outclassed against them yet still somehow keeps up
3. Batman has also taken on big names over the years, that does NOT mean he is on thier level.

I never used the Ultron ft and the person who did was obviously playing.

I don't think you are grasping the consistency here. DD consistently does well against high tier martial artist.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Can you not keep up? I used the spectre scan to show combat feats doesn't put you on the high level.

I use the Ultron fight to show how robots aren't all that.

Anyway. Stamina feat. Batman fought guys for 28 hours straight in the cold. At the end, he was half dead.

Here, Daredevil fights 107 (count em....ONE HUNDRED AND SEVEN) guys, and defeats them all, in 3 minutes. They were armed with swords, bats and guns. Some of them weren't even human, but were hopped up on MGH.

107.

http://imgur.com/a/dTGLO

The deathmatch that Bruce fought added one man every hour. So at any one time, the most he was fighting was....28. Human level fighters. Who nearly beat him to death. And didn't have the luxury of bladed weapons or guns.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, but...ah, you've missed the point of the quote lol.

Stamina is great - do you REALLY think the fight will be going on for 28 hours? 24? 15? 8? Even if it goes on for FIVE hours, constantly....that's already pretty hardcore, do you think these two are that evenly matched?

No.

The fight is going to go on for a good few minutes, and will be ended inside of an hour, at the level these two go at.

Haha. I guess you didn't see the bit about the Spectre then.

Doesn't say anything about armour. I DELIBERATELY said weapons. As a Bat-fan, surely you know Batman has weaponised his suit? That it has tasers built in, gas delivery systems built into the cowl etc? You DO know that his suit itself is a weapon, right?

My bad for missing the point.

You seemed to miss the whole point of stamina. The deciding factor in fights is who can last longer and stay at a higher level for a much longer time. They are roughly equal in skill while Batman has the physical advantage.

I know thier os context, but even with it Batman should have done nothing at all.

Okay take off the armor, still holds the physical advantage.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Karate kid. I know what story you're referring to. It was preboot.

Confirmation of the numbers, the weaponry, and that half were more than human:

http://i.imgur.com/06oJF6L.jpg

Originally posted by Silent Master
So bringing up fighting ability and skill in a thread about HTH is bad, Yet bringing up bullets and blasts, two things that have zero to do with a hth fight is good?

So physical stats have nothing to do with H2H? Sure, that makes sense. And you completely missed the point in my post.

Originally posted by carver9
Anyways, DD vs Psylocke.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/78977/3109725-2464485-zone_empire_002.jpg
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http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/78977/3109734-2464496-zone_empire_011.jpg

She had to trick him to gain an advantage and even admits that she can't beat him H2H. Do I need to post what Psylocke is capable of?

Cool, yet another feat where DD is almost outclassed in every aspect. He's better at H2H? That's nice, he still should have got stomped.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
So physical stats have nothing to do with H2H? Sure, that makes sense. And you completely missed the point in my post.

His armor being bullet resistant isn't a physical stat.

So you want physical fts? Gotcha.

Here is agility.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/36386/2227299-dd165_vsdocock2.jpg

Speed. He knocks a bullet out of the air.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/20066/943164-daredevil335p157zw.jpg

Slaps another bullet out of the air.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/20066/943167-daredevil159165kk.jpg

By the way, he did beat the Punisher. Punisher even admits he didn't stand a chance against DD h2h. Hell, he couldn't even hit DD with any bullets and he's a markmans.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/20066/943181-ddvspunisher87cm.jpg
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Everyone tends to comment on DD speed. Even the best of them. More on the way.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Cool, yet another feat where DD is almost outclassed in every aspect. He's better at H2H? That's nice, he still should have got stomped.

So you are dismissing everything DD has done?

Originally posted by Werewolf582
My bad for missing the point.

You seemed to miss the whole point of stamina. The deciding factor in fights is who can last longer and stay at a higher level for a much longer time. They are roughly equal in skill while Batman has the physical advantage.

I know thier os context, but even with it Batman should have done nothing at all.

Okay take off the armor, still holds the physical advantage.

Stamina is great, IF your fight is going to last that long. DD has lasted before in fights - admittedly, not 28 hours, but my point was that the fight will never even last that long. DD did what Batman needed 28 hours to do, and did it faster, against stronger, more dangerous opponents.

You can pit a marathon runner up against Tyson in his prime - sure, the marathon runner could outlast him in cardio, but a punch to the face is still a punch to the face.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I use the Ultron fight to show how robots aren't all that.

Anyway. Stamina feat. Batman fought guys for 28 hours straight in the cold. At the end, he was half dead.

Here, Daredevil fights 107 (count em....ONE HUNDRED AND SEVEN) guys, and defeats them all, in 3 minutes. They were armed with swords, bats and guns. Some of them weren't even human, but were hopped up on MGH.

107.

http://imgur.com/a/dTGLO

The deathmatch that Bruce fought added one man every hour. So at any one time, the most he was fighting was....28. Human level fighters. Who nearly beat him to death. And didn't have the luxury of bladed weapons or guns.



Crazy ft. I was going to post that. Seen you beat me to it.

Originally posted by Silent Master
His armor being bullet resistant isn't a physical stat.

Point blank building busting blast.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Point blank building busting blast.

Are you suggesting that he survived that blast because of his physical durability and not his armored suit?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I use the Ultron fight to show how robots aren't all that.

Anyway. Stamina feat. Batman fought guys for 28 hours straight in the cold. At the end, he was half dead.

Here, Daredevil fights 107 (count em....ONE HUNDRED AND SEVEN) guys, and defeats them all, in 3 minutes. They were armed with swords, bats and guns. Some of them weren't even human, but were hopped up on MGH.

107.

http://imgur.com/a/dTGLO

The deathmatch that Bruce fought added one man every hour. So at any one time, the most he was fighting was....28. Human level fighters. Who nearly beat him to death. And didn't have the luxury of bladed weapons or guns.

Noice, I'll concede on this one. I didn't know Daredevil had had a feat like that. But I still stand by my claim of them being equal in H2H with Bruce being more physically fit.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Point blank building busting blast.

His point was that it's not part of him, any more than having Iron Man's feats in a 'Tony Stark vs Batman H2H, no weapons' thread is applicable.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Are you suggesting that he survived that blast because of his physical durability and not his armored suit?

Seeing how the suit doesn't cover his mouth and yet his face didn't seem all that bad.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
His point was that it's not part of him, any more than having Iron Man's feats in a 'Tony Stark vs Batman H2H, no weapons' thread is applicable.

I'm talking about Batmans face not being blow to bits since the Armor doesn't cover all of his face.

Originally posted by carver9
So you are dismissing everything DD has done?

You mean half the PIS shit he has done?

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Seeing how the suit doesn't cover his mouth and yet his face didn't seem all that bad.

So you're arguing that he could have survived without the suit?

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Noice, I'll concede on this one. I didn't know Daredevil had had a feat like that. But I still stand by my claim of them being equal in H2H with Bruce being more physically fit.

When both sides (both Batman AND Daredevil) have moves that can potentially one shot each other (pressure point attacks), it wouldn't go to 28 hours. Or even 1 hour.

I mean, when was the last fight that Daredevil lost because he ran out of puff?

Originally posted by Silent Master
So you're arguing that he could have survived without the suit?

You've seen the scan right? Tell me how badly injured Bruce's face looked.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
You mean half the PIS shit he has done?

So, correct me if I'm wrong, you're saying Bruce's chiselled jaw and skin is bomb proof? And that THAT isn't PIS?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
When both sides (both Batman AND Daredevil) have moves that can potentially one shot each other (pressure point attacks), it wouldn't go to 28 hours. Or even 1 hour.

I mean, when was the last fight that Daredevil lost because he ran out of puff?

Your still missing the point of stamina. I'm not saying DD will lose because he'll be extremely tired, I'm saying that he can't last as long as Bruce. Stamina plays a big part in every fight, stamina determines how long you can run and fight around your full strength.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Your still missing the point of stamina. I'm not saying DD will lose because he'll be extremely tired, I'm saying that he can't last as long as Bruce. Stamina plays a big part in every fight, stamina determines how long you can run and fight around your full strength.

My point is that the fight will never get even past 1 hour, by then either Batman is KOed or Daredevil is.

Thus, 28 hour stamina won't be needed.

Just DD level stamina.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So, correct me if I'm wrong, you're saying Bruce's chiselled jaw and skin is bomb proof? And that THAT isn't PIS?

No, cause we all saw how ****ed up he looked with his fight with bane. Then again I think those were two totally different outfits.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
You mean half the PIS shit he has done?

So all of his fights are PIS? DD consistently fight high tier fighters. If I post his fight against Sabertooth, that's PIS as well, huh?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
My point is that the fight will never get even past 1 hour, by then either Batman is KOed or Daredevil is.

Thus, 28 hour stamina won't be needed.

Just DD level stamina.

I get your point but you seem to be missing mine.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
No, cause we all saw how ****ed up he looked with his fight with bane. Then again I think those were two totally different outfits.

His fight against Bane is PIS.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
You've seen the scan right? Tell me how badly injured Bruce's face looked.

So you are indeed arguing that even without the suit Bruce is bomb proof, yet you're calling PIS on Daredevil feats that you don't like.

Have you ever heard the term double standard?

Originally posted by carver9
So all of his fights are PIS? DD consistently fight high tier fighters. If I post his fight against Sabertooth, that's PIS as well, huh? Batman has consistently fought high level metas and heralds. Still PIS. Wait, doesn't sabertooth also outclass DD in almost every physical aspect.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So you are indeed arguing that even without the suit Bruce is bomb proof, yet you're calling PIS on Daredevil feats that you don't like.

Have you ever heard the term double standard?

You mean the feats where Daredevil beats people who outclass him in every aspect? I guess DD is Spiderman level now.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
You mean the feats where Daredevil beats people who outclass him in every aspect? I guess DD is Spiderman level now.

Yet you're claiming that Bruce is bomb-proof.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
I get your point but you seem to be missing mine.

That Batman has more stamina? Again, debatable.

It's the difference between sprinting as fast as you can, and a marathon.

Batman is a marathon runner. He fought 28 guys for an hour. Well. Either those guys he fought were really damn good, Batman is crap, or...Batman one shotted them in the 1st minute, then rested and waited for 59 minutes.

You really have to think about the feat, and it then becomes less impressive.

Hour 1: 1 guy.
Hour 2: 2 guys
Hour 3: 3 guys

Etc etc.

All the way to...

Hour 28: 28 guys.

So. Was Bruce fighting the first guy for 1 whole hour, without putting him down? That's kinda crap. Or DID he put him down, and then sat on his ass for 50 minutes? Because having that rest period really throws the entire feat into question.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yet you're claiming that Bruce is bomb-proof.

His armor is, and you tried putting DD on a level of panther and Spiderman. It is indeed a PIS feat because his face wasn't ****ed up, but since you've been showing all these feats that DD should not be able to do I thought I should do the same.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
His armor is, and you tried putting DD on a level of panther and Spiderman. It is indeed a PIS feat because his face wasn't ****ed up, but since you've been showing all these feats that DD should not be able to do I thought I should do the same.

You specifically stated that even the parts of Batman not covered in armor tanked the explosion, which means that you're arguing that Bruce is bomb proof.

Yet, you're using PIS to ignore all DD feats that you don't like. do you really not see the irony?

Originally posted by Silent Master
You specifically stated that even the parts of Batman not covered in armor tanked the explosion, which means that you're arguing that Bruce is bomb proof.

Yet, you're using PIS to ignore all DD feats that you don't like. do you really not see the irony?

Since carver wants to use all these PIS feats I will use them to. Those one's he showed about DD knocking bullets out of the air and shit aren't, him fighting people like panther and Spidey are. Unless of course you think DD is a hypersonic class 10-15 super ninja.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Batman has consistently fought high level metas and heralds. Still PIS. Wait, doesn't sabertooth also outclass DD in almost every physical aspect.

Post those DCNU fights then. I can think of one that could help you here.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Since carver wants to use all these PIS feats I will use them to. Those one's he showed about DD knocking bullets out of the air and shit aren't, him fighting people like panther and Spidey are. Unless of course you think DD is a hypersonic class 10-15 super ninja.

How is fighting Panther PIS when for most of his history Panther has been around Captain America level, or are you saying that Cap >>> Batman?

Originally posted by Werewolf582
You mean the feats where Daredevil beats people who outclass him in every aspect? I guess DD is Spiderman level now.

That's why skills> physical stats. And is paramount in a thread where it's just two fighters, no weapons or gadgets, just fighting h2h.

I mean, you might as well say all of Batman's feats are PIS, as no mere human can do what he does.

Why do I say PIS?

Imagine a celebrity famous for doing nothing except being a rich heir to a fortune, and a party animal. In effect, Paris Hilton.

Now imagine that person also has the business smarts of a Bill Gates.

So far, so good.

Now Paris Hilton, is also a master of 127 different martial arts. Something that some people take decades just to master one or two.

Ninja Paris Hilton, also holds multiple degrees in engineering, forensic sciences, applied mechanics etc etc etc.

Ninja Paris, PhDx10, ALSO speaks five or six different languages, fluently, fluently enough she could easily disguise herself (another skill she's learnt, btw), and blend in anywhere in the world.

All by the age of 35.

And Carver is the only one making sense. As usual.

Carver?? FFS.

Batman is the Master of 127 MA and the best fighter in the DCU, sans KK. How does DD defeat him?

DD would have better chances against Nightwing, but even there he would lose a vast majority.

In all fairness I didn't see your last two posts >.>

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Batman is the Master of 127 MA and the best fighter in the DCU, sans KK. How does DD defeat him?

DD would have better chances against Nightwing, but even there he would lose a vast majority.



Captain America and Wolverine would stomp Batman since they know every fighting style on the planet. It doesn't work like that.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Batman is the Master of 127 MA and the best fighter in the DCU, sans KK. How does DD defeat him?

DD would have better chances against Nightwing, but even there he would lose a vast majority.

Pretty much.

Does anyone have that Batman vs Nightwing fight that recently happened?

Why does knowing more martial arts get you a win?

Originally posted by carver9


Captain America and Wolverine would stomp Batman since they know every fighting style on the planet. It doesn't work like that.

Knowing and mastering are two differen't things, boy.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why does knowing more martial arts get you a win?

Not only knowing but mastering. MA work like superpowers in comics, the more you know the more you can do. It helps you counter any move of your opponent and use the most effective counter from your MA arsenal.

DD and Bats are roughly the same level when it comes to MA, ill give the edge to Batman considering he's mastered 127 styles. While DD might be more agile, Batman however is stronger and all it takes is for DD to get hit once by Batman and its all she wrote, the fact that Bats can kick one of his motorcycles in half, which are probably highly durable and reinforced and his showing of holding a car back via just his grapple gun and strength put him at a higher strength level that Matt, combine that with his MA skill and he KOs DD no question

Originally posted by carver9


Captain America and Wolverine would stomp Batman since they know every fighting style on the planet. It doesn't work like that.

There is a big difference between knowing MA and mastering them.

Originally posted by Silent Master
How is fighting Panther PIS when for most of his history Panther has been around Captain America level, or are you saying that Cap >>> Batman?

Cap is stronger than Batman

Batman is the better Martial artist

Panther is above cap and is shown in several fights

Daredevil is weaker than BP, Bruce, and Cap.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
There is a big difference between knowing MA and mastering them.

Cap and Wolverine has mastered them as well.

Daredevil flips a limo with people in it.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/43640/1202091-daredevil_v2_042_08.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/43640/1202094-daredevil_v2_042_09.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Cap and Wolverine has mastered them as well. Scans backing this up?

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Cap is stronger than Batman

Batman is the better Martial artist

Panther is above cap and is shown in several fights

Daredevil is weaker than BP, Bruce, and Cap.

Even if BP is slightly above Cap, that wouldn't make Daredevil fighting him PIS. yet you do so and then seriously try and argue that Bruce is bomb-proof.

Batman deflecting a bullet with his bare hands:

http://s289.photobucket.com/user/darknight2k/media/bat%20pics%202/004.jpg.html

holds a car back with just his strength and grapple gun:

http://s289.photobucket.com/user/darknight2k/media/Power-Strength/Strength/batmantwoface25-batstrength.jpg.html

speed and strength examples

With his armoured gloves, which he has said many times is lined with Kevlar.

Anyways, both of them are equal in speed. Here is Daredevil doing the exact same thing, also bullet timing:

http://imgur.com/cpfGH3V
http://imgur.com/jgF6AUe
http://imgur.com/SCpdb3c
http://imgur.com/54RYjWC
http://imgur.com/09SYazQ
http://imgur.com/r9srQtz
http://imgur.com/hNwUGX0
http://imgur.com/brvTleG

There. Eight examples. Speed isn't an issue here. Not to mention, he defeated 107 armed gangsters, of which over 50 were super powered.

Stamina? Both sides know one shot pressure point attacks.

Strength? Both are near equals. To the point that neither is superhumanly stronger than the other. They are in the same ballpark.

Batman's fighting style is dependent on the shadows. Sneaking. His gadgets. No Bat-fan can ignore this.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Scans backing this up?

Cap:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/103165/2789598-cap_adept.jpg

Wolverine:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11111/111119363/3705239-manifest+4.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
With his armoured gloves, which he has said many times is lined with Kevlar.

Anyways, both of them are equal in speed. Here is Daredevil doing the exact same thing, also bullet timing:

http://imgur.com/cpfGH3V
http://imgur.com/jgF6AUe
http://imgur.com/SCpdb3c
http://imgur.com/54RYjWC
http://imgur.com/09SYazQ
http://imgur.com/r9srQtz
http://imgur.com/hNwUGX0
http://imgur.com/brvTleG

There. Eight examples. Speed isn't an issue here. Not to mention, he defeated 107 armed gangsters, of which over 50 were super powered.

Stamina? Both sides know one shot pressure point attacks.

Strength? Both are near equals. To the point that neither is superhumanly stronger than the other. They are in the same ballpark.

Batman's fighting style is dependent on the shadows. Sneaking. His gadgets. No Bat-fan can ignore this.

Apparently all of those are PIS, yet Bruce being bomb-proof isn't. just like Daredevil fighting Panther is PIS, but Bruce fighting KK is perfectly valid.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Cap:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/103165/2789598-cap_adept.jpg

Wolverine:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11111/111119363/3705239-manifest+4.jpg

Cap is adept and Wolverine learned. Batman mastered.

Batman knows 127 Martial Arts. Just throwing that out there...

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Cap is adept and Wolverine learned. Batman mastered.

Scans of the mastering?

He LEARNED, too.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Martial%20Arts/Knowledge/batmanultimateguide-martialartstraining.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Scans of the mastering?
http://batmanfeats.blogspot.de/p/martial-arts.html

this has been done a LOT. it's likely as close a fight as there can be. without his gadgets while matt still retains his full senses, the edge slips to matt, just. with gadgets in play, the edge slips to bats, just.

skills i'd call equal or the slightest edge to bats.
strength i'd take bats pretty clearly.
speed is dead even.
agility i'd give a slight edge to dd.
durability a slight edge to bats.
creativity (something often over looked in fighting) i'd give to dd.

again, this really is as close as 2 characters can be imo.

Batman wins.

You forgot some stuff Dark.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111160070/4021820-dd1.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111160070/4021821-dd2.jpg

Now this is insane.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111160070/4021823-dd4.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111160070/4021824-dd5.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111160070/4021825-dd6.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111160070/4021830-dd10.jpg

There's more as well but I think this should suffice.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
http://batmanfeats.blogspot.de/p/martial-arts.html

Seen. I'm not some Bat-hater - check the thread against Ozymandias, I used EXTENSIVE use of that very same site.

So apart from the handbooks and pre-Crisis showings, we're left with this:

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batcd127-1.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batcd127-2.jpg

He has a CD, with 127 styles, and acknowledges that it takes a lifetime to study. As he'd only been learning since what, 18, he himself admits he hasn't mastered them all.

Try harder.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Cap is adept and Wolverine learned. Batman mastered.

That is basically a semantic argument, both essentially mean highly skilled.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Seen. I'm not some Bat-hater - check the thread against Ozymandias, I used EXTENSIVE use of that very same site.

So apart from the handbooks and pre-Crisis showings, we're left with this:

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batcd127-1.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batcd127-2.jpg

He has a CD, with 127 styles, and acknowledges that it takes a lifetime to study. As he'd only been learning since what, 18, he himself admits he hasn't mastered them all.

Try harder.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Seen. I'm not some Bat-hater - check the thread against Ozymandias, I used EXTENSIVE use of that very same site.

So apart from the handbooks and pre-Crisis showings, we're left with this:

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batcd127-1.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batcd127-2.jpg

He has a CD, with 127 styles, and acknowledges that it takes a lifetime to study. As he'd only been learning since what, 18, he himself admits he hasn't mastered them all.

Try harder.

He is a comic char and he is a genius in it.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Martial%20Arts/Knowledge/batwidegyre4-463ways.jpg

Sorry I hurt your feelings.

Originally posted by Silent Master
That is basically a semantic argument, both essentially mean highly skilled.

Highly skilled, yes I agree but Mastering something is better than this. You can be good at something and you can be a master. I think it isn't necessary to explain the difference....

We are discussing DCNU Bats here. Is that scan of DCNU Bats Prof?

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
He is a comic char and he is a genius in it.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Martial%20Arts/Knowledge/batwidegyre4-463ways.jpg

Sorry I hurt your feelings.



Highly skilled, yes I agree but Mastering something is better than this. You can be good at something and you can be a master. I think it isn't necessary to explain the difference....

I hate you so much

Ah The Widening Gyre. Canon? If so, Batman wet his own Bat pants for that reason, I don't think it is.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I hate you so much

Ah The Widening Gyre. Canon? If so, Batman wet his own Bat pants for that reason, I don't think it is.

Didn't the Widening Gyre come out before the reboot?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Didn't the Widening Gyre come out before the reboot?



But APPARENTLY, DCnU = DCU for Batman. He transcends the Flashpoint.

The char never changed, they still have the abilities they had before, except Batman got obviously stronger and more ruthless.

So, as good as DD is, he is out of his league here.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Cap:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/103165/2789598-cap_adept.jpg

Wolverine:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11111/111119363/3705239-manifest+4.jpg

1. It said he was adept to all of them. That does not mean he mastered all of them.

2. Wolverine said he knows all of them, no where did it say he mastered all of them.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
The char never changed, they still have the abilities they had before, except Batman got obviously stronger and more ruthless.

So, as good as DD is, he is out of his league here.

All of the characters are the same? Show me a Pre Reboot scan of Wonder Woman taking her bracers off going Super Saiyan. Show me a scan of Supergirl doing an OMNI blast from her body. Is Lobo the same? Grundy? There's obviously a change in these characters.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
1. It said he was adept to all of them. That does not mean he mastered all of them.

2. Wolverine said he knows all of them, no where did it say he mastered all of them.

Just like it never being stated that DCnu Batman has mastered all or even 127 of them.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Just like it never being stated that DCnu Batman has mastered all or even 127 of them.

When did I say that?

Originally posted by Werewolf582
When did I say that?

Where did you say what? I didn't say that you stated anything, I was just pointing out a fact.