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Trigon





vs



Odin



Trigon wants the nine the realms but first he has to go through Asgard Monarch in Odin.

Odin can use any means necessary to beat Trigon

Before the reboot I would give this to Trion. What has DCNU Trigon done.

Probably Trigon. Operator! We need you.

TRIGON

Originally posted by carver9
Before the reboot I would give this to Trion. What has DCNU Trigon done.

Conquered/destroyed multiple universes. He's also merged with the combined evil of several universes. So he's pretty powerful in the new continuity

I'd give him the win here.

Odin wins, imo.

I certainly didn't get the impression that DCnU Trigon was instantly wiping out universes with the wave of his hand or w/e... He was primarily using his children to conquer/consume them over time:
http://i.imgur.com/vSat5PC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/iE2p4ZD.jpg

Aside from that, Trigon was bested by a woman wearing "armor forged by ancient mages... Passed from warrior to warrior, generation to generation.":
http://i.imgur.com/LipZkdw.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/O79WpVX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/AXwVbLp.jpg

...Which implies that he may be susceptible to high-end magics, of which Odin possesses en gros.

^pfft, no one asked for YOUR opinion. sneer

ftr, i'd say odin as well, but i think it's actually very very close.

True, but that's never stopped me before. sly

I agree.

Never underestimate power of never heard before armors. God killer armor killed billions of celestials. Do we assume Odin could beat them now? If that armor's only showing is beating trigon, it's basically a plot device.

Stalemate

No ones said that one powerful word: im the first.....

Trigon is on a level above Odin, his latest showing hin is him fighting a blood lusted Mr Mxyz, of which it is a draw right now.


Mr Mxyz > Odin

Originally posted by abhilegend
Never underestimate power of never heard before armors. God killer armor killed billions of celestials. Do we assume Odin could beat them now? If that armor's only showing is beating trigon, it's basically a plot device. No, because we already know Celestials>>>>Odin. Thus if something is able to destroy Celestials, it must be more powerful than Odin by proxy. Poor analogy.

Regardless, I didn't speak in absolutes regarding the armor that bested Trigon--just mentioned that per its magical description, Trigon *might* also be vulnerable to Odin's magics... Which is a perfectly logical assertion.

Originally posted by Galan007
No, because we already know Celestials>>>>Odin. Thus if something is able to destroy Celestials, it must be more powerful than Odin by proxy. Poor analogy.

Regardless, I didn't speak in absolutes regarding the armor that bested Trigon--just mentioned that per its magical description, Trigon *might* also be vulnerable to Odin's magics... Which is a perfectly logical assertion.

Trigon is a master of high level magic, it is not likely magic is a weakness of his.

Originally posted by Galan007
No, because we already know Celestials>>>>Odin. Thus if something is able to destroy Celestials, it must be more powerful than Odin by proxy. Poor analogy.

Regardless, I didn't speak in absolutes regarding the armor that bested Trigon--just mentioned that per its magical description, Trigon *might* also be vulnerable to Odin's magics... Which is a perfectly logical assertion.
And the armor was absorbing Trigon's own power to turn against him. It's just a plot device. Odin once got drained completely by weapons made by trolls.

Doesn't mean anybody who can make weapons to drain can beat him. It's just too big of an assumption.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And the armor was absorbing Trigon's own power to turn against him. It's just a plot device. Odin once got drained completely by weapons made by trolls.

Doesn't mean anybody who can make weapons to drain can beat him. It's just too big of an assumption. Do you understand the context behind the words "might" and "may"..?

Trigon was bested by armor forged by ancient mages. This implies/suggests that he *might* be susceptible to certain types of high-end magic. Odin possesses high-end magic/magical weaponry, thus Trigon *might* also be susceptible to his attacks. Not saying this *would* be the case; just saying that it *might* be the case.

Regardless, that doesn't factor in to why I think Odin wins anyway, so I could ultimately care less. /shrug

So just an assumption then? Good, because it's totally subjective and is totally your own opinion.

Glad you're keeping up.

Trigon

Originally posted by Galan007
No, because we already know Celestials>>>>Odin. Thus if something is able to destroy Celestials, it must be more powerful than Odin by proxy. Poor analogy.
Then explain how Odin created an enchantment that destroyed dozens of Celestials?

As to the thread, Odin wins. Marvel Asgardian wank is the stuff of legends.

Odin wins

For those who are saying Odin, would you put Odin above the likes of Surtur or Dormammu on average? Because Trigon>Dormammu>Surtur.

Trigon is on the same level as Mr Mxy., Odin is no where near 5th dimension IMP levels.

Originally posted by Galan007


I certainly didn't get the impression that DCnU Trigon was instantly wiping out universes with the wave of his hand or w/e... He was primarily using his children to conquer/consume them over time:
http://i.imgur.com/vSat5PC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/iE2p4ZD.jpg

Aside from that, Trigon was bested by a woman wearing "armor forged by ancient mages... Passed from warrior to warrior, generation to generation.":
http://i.imgur.com/LipZkdw.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/O79WpVX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/AXwVbLp.jpg

...Which implies that he may be susceptible to high-end magics, of which Odin possesses en gros.

Those are different incarnations of Trigon, since he basically reincarnated himself in each of his children. And as he himself pointed out, he got stronger with time. This is also evident by the fact that that same god armor which you posted wasn't that effective against him later on in present continuity. Im pretty sure that armor was stated or at least implied to be the same one which Cassie wears, as i remember. And Trigon stomped her in Teen Titans #19 with one move.

On top of that, Trigon's sons (who are below him) gave PS problems and in FE one-shot (in PS's title) they were stated to have killed Zauriel even, iirc.

Also, back in the 80s, Trigon dealt with high level sorcerers just fine. Your assumptions are drawn from a single showing which isn't even sufficient (cause he got more powerful); to determine a vulnerability there has to be more than one or at least has to be clearly stated. We don't go around saying that Odin's telepathy is shit based on Loki influencing his mind back in the days. And Odin got captured and imprisoned and drained by random alien invaders at least twice that i recall of. So don't base your entire stance on a single low showing.

Originally posted by zopzop
Then explain how Odin created an enchantment that destroyed dozens of Celestials? True. I forgot that a "simple spell" from Odin's Library is what provided the means to haxx-out Jarnbjorn into a Celestial-slaying piece of weaponry.

Originally posted by operator616
Those are different incarnations of Trigon, since he basically reincarnated himself in each of his children. And as he himself pointed out, he got stronger with time. This is also evident by the fact that that same god armor which you posted wasn't that effective against him later on in present continuity. Im pretty sure that armor was stated or at least implied to be the same one which Cassie wears, as i remember. And Trigon stomped her in Teen Titans #19 with one move.

On top of that, Trigon's sons (who are below him) gave PS problems and in FE one-shot (in PS's title) they were stated to have killed Zauriel even, iirc.

Also, back in the 80s, Trigon dealt with high level sorcerers just fine. Your assumptions are drawn from a single showing which isn't even sufficient (cause he got more powerful); to determine a vulnerability there has to be more than one or at least has to be clearly stated. We don't go around saying that Odin's telepathy is shit based on Loki influencing his mind back in the days. And Odin got captured and imprisoned and drained by random alien invaders at least twice that i recall of. So don't base your entire stance on a single low showing. You, like abhi, must have a difficult time grasping the context behind the words "might" and "may". Again: I never said that Trigon *was* susceptible to high-end magics, I said he *might* be. Lol @ you bringing up showings from the 80's in regard to DCnU Trigon, though.

But like I said: that has no part in why I think Odin wins here, anyway.... So I could really care less how you choose to view it.



After rereading the pertinent Teen Titans issues, I definitely think Odin wins.

Originally posted by Galan007
You, like abhi, must have a difficult time grasping the context behind the words "might" and "may". Again: I never said that Trigon *was* susceptible to high-end magics, I said he *might* be. Lol @ you bringing up showings from the 80's in regard to DCnU Trigon, though.

But like I said: that has no part in why I think Odin wins here, anyway.... So I could really care less how you choose to view it.

I understand just fine, but i also pointed out why that showing is inapplicable (because Cassie, wearing that armor, didn't fair good against current Trigon, not the one from god knows how many years ago - the weakened one).

The OP never specified this is N52 Trigon, but okay.

Originally posted by Galan007


After rereading the pertinent Teen Titans issues, I definitely think Odin wins.

Re-reading them won't do you much good. Because everything Trigon did in those TT issues was part of his plan to get Raven into the team. He manipulated the whole thing. He was repelled by purpose.

So they are likewise inapplicable and irrelevant just like that god-armor instance.

Originally posted by operator616
I understand just fine, but i also pointed out why that showing is inapplicable (because Cassie, wearing that armor, didn't fair good against current Trigon, not the one from god knows how many years ago - the weakened one).

The OP never specified this is N52 Trigon, but okay. Think what you will, but it was never stated in TT #19 that Cassie's armor was the same armor that had been used against Trigon in the past. Even Trigon himself seemed surprised that her blows harmed him.

Per the forum rules, if a specific version of a character isn't specified in the OP, we use the most recent version by default. Therefore this is DCnU Trigon, not Trigon from 30 years ago.

Originally posted by operator616
I understand just fine, but i also pointed out why that showing is inapplicable (because Cassie, wearing that armor, didn't fair good against current Trigon, not the one from god knows how many years ago - the weakened one).

The OP never specified this is N52 Trigon, but okay.

Would you place pre flashpoint trigon above Dormammu?

Originally posted by Galan007
Think what you will, but it was never stated in TT #19 that Cassie's armor was the same armor that had been used against Trigon in the past. Even Trigon himself seemed surprised that her blows harmed him.

Per the forum rules, if a specific version of a character isn't specified in the OP, we use the most recent version by default. Therefore this is DCnU Trigon, not Trigon from 30 years ago.

In #19 it was implied to be the same. But the association began back in issue #13. The place where Cassie found the armor was directly linked with Trigon:

http://i.imgur.com/wrKSvpP.jpg

TT #21, she says that he armor was outright meant to fight Trigon and his forces:

http://i.imgur.com/iEI7CUA.jpg

And in #19, he implied that Cassie is of the lineage which passed the armor (as stated in 23.1):

http://i.imgur.com/AoYhdx2.jpg

After this, it's just a matter of adding 1 plus the other together.

There are more implications that i recall. But this should do.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Would you place pre flashpoint trigon above Dormammu?

Definitely.

Originally posted by operator616
In #19 it was implied to be the same. Implications=/=explicit statements.

But again: the armor has nothing to do with why I think Odin wins. That side of things comes down to Odin simply having better feats.

Originally posted by operator616
TT #21, she says that he armor was outright meant to fight Trigon and his forces:

http://i.imgur.com/iEI7CUA.jpg The scan actually says "Trigon's forces", not "Trigon AND his forces."

Originally posted by operator616
And in #19, he implied that Cassie is of the lineage which passed the armor (as stated in 23.1):

http://i.imgur.com/AoYhdx2.jpg This just implies that she would have become more powerful if her father would've raised her instead... Don't know where you're getting the same lineage thing..?

Originally posted by Galan007

But again: the armor has nothing to do with why I think Odin wins. That side of things comes down to Odin simply having better feats.

The scan actually says "Trigon's forces", not "Trigon AND his forces."

This just implies that she would have become more powerful if her father would've raised her instead... Don't know where you're getting the same lineage thing..?

Trigon's average > Odin's.


You can't possibly be serious. The reason she specifically said "trigon's forces" is because they were fighting against his sons and not Trigon himself. That statement was meant to imply that her armor was desgined to fight Trigon and anyone who's associated with him.


Alazandria passed her armor throughout the generations:

http://i.imgur.com/wdnYQyG.jpg?1

Hence Trigon's reference of WG knowing her "true lineage" - that she is an ancestor of Alazandria herself.

I hope that clears any doubts you had.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Trigon is on the same level as Mr Mxy., Odin is no where near 5th dimension IMP levels. stop trying to bait people.

Originally posted by deathslash
stop trying to bait people. Doing it over and over again just to make some sad sod bite

Originally posted by operator616
Trigon's average > Odin's. I disagree.

Originally posted by operator616
You can't possibly be serious. I am serious. You misquoted the scan, and I corrected you.

Originally posted by operator616
Alazandria passed her armor throughout the generations:

http://i.imgur.com/wdnYQyG.jpg?1

Hence Trigon's reference of WG knowing her "true lineage" - that she is an ancestor of Alazandria herself.

I hope that clears any doubts you had. Trigon said that Cassie would have been more powerful had she been raised by her father. That is what the "true lineage" statement was in reference to. srsly

Originally posted by Galan007

I am serious. You misquoted the scan, and I corrected you.


And i told you how to read the scan in full context.


Originally posted by Galan007

Trigon said that Cassie would have been more powerful had she been raised by her father. That is what the "true lineage" statement was in reference to. srsly

That's false. Trigon did refer to her father, but the statement was directly followed by "true lineage". What Trigon was saying is: Had you were trained by your father, you'd have known your true lineage that you're an ancestor of Alazandria, and became more powerful.

But whatever.

Originally posted by operator616
And i told you how to read the scan in full context. Context was never required. You misquoted. I corrected. Simple.

Originally posted by operator616
That's false. Trigon did refer to her father, but the statement was directly followed by "true lineage". What Trigon was saying is: Had you were trained by your father, you'd have known your true lineage that you're an ancestor of Alazandria, and became more powerful.

But whatever.

Ridiculous. You are inserting your personal opinion into the statement.