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Title says it all: Who is the strongest character to appear in SSBB? I'm asking more or less for a ranking system which I've seen in Vs Forums before.

Example

1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Ice Climbers.

I don't mean in terms of tiers either because those are decided via game mechanics and more importantly the player playing.

Stipulations

The characters only get the weapons, spells, abilities, and so on that is given to them in this game. For instance Megaman has a plethora of powerups but not all of them were used. Same with Mario's items, Pokemon moves, Samus's different stuff, and Ganondorf's magic spells. If they can't do it in the game, they can't here.

That being said their physical attributes like speed, strength, agility, dexterity, intelligence, overall spell potency, and so on are from their home games. For instance Ganondorf is as fast as his game counterpart, not his slow SSB counterpart. Same with Sonic's strength, Mario's intelligence, and Robin's spells.

Now the series has a ton of items from various games, like the Warp Star and Pokeballs. They don't count(because otherwise Pokemon Trainer wins pretty much everytime) so forget about them. The Smash Ball on the other hand is a different story. For sake of simplicity just assume the Smash Ball is a move that can be activated whenever and that the time limits in the game for transformations are the equivalent. Characters like Olimar, Fox, and Captain Falcon get their vehicles since they have them both for smashs and in cutscenes. The Final Smashes must also work how they work in the game. For instance Snake gets a helicopter but that doesn't mean he is actually driving it, just using it as a means of firing weapons from above.

Final Smashes like Robin's, Megaman's, and are disqualified since they bring in additional fighters. The Pokemon Trainer and Olimar are fine since their creatures are basically slaves and that is the point.

Versions and Canon Counterparts

For their gear and stuff you should use their most recent Smash appearance. Ice Climbers of instance were in two games but you use Brawl cause it is the more recent appearance. Same with Pit-Smash 4 version. For simplicity use the standard moveset, not any of the custom moves like, say, Kirby's Freeze breath.

As for the canon versions, depends on the character. Characters like Pac-Man and Game & Watch should get all appearances because pre-8 bit era was not exactly feat central. Characters like Sonic, Samus, Megaman and Mario also get all appearances since they don't change really. Little Mac and Link however are basically retelling of the same story several times so best use the version Smash is likely influenced by, meaning Wii-Punch Out and TP for instance. I'll clarify what versions of other characters will be used if it is brought up but I dunno all of them.

Characters like Zelda and Samus are split into two as of the most recent game and can't change forms. ZS Samus gets the ship, not regular Samus.

Final Notes

I would like for this thread to be more than just looking for the strongest. Truth be told I might have an inkling for who that is already. I just wanna know how they would overall stack against one another and learn more about obscurer characters. For all I know Shulk might be the actual strongest(I really don't know tihs guy). This will, ideally, be a thread that can gather the information of all these characters and put them against the others for interesting discussion(Megaman vs Bowser, Donkey Kong vs Ganondorf, Fox vs Samus, so on so forth). Just because you think you've go the strongest that doesn't mean you know the lower tiers as well.

Mind you the weakest character is probably R.O.B since he doesn't really have a game. He is a plastic toy. Any of the characters could logically kill him. Dems the breaks.

Anyway, hopefully this thread doesn't break any rules. Happy ranking.

Sonic helped destroy a guy that was casually eating dimensions. So, there's that.

But then again, Sonic has an epileptic attack and drops all his rings if he so much as touches spikes, so yeah there's that.

When has it ever been anything but game mechanics when Sonic has been hurt? Did he lose all his rings in a cutscene and I just don't know about it?

He is a fast hedgehog and that's all there really is about him. Stab him he'd bleed, punch him he'd get a black eye. I haven't really played the newer games but as far as I can tell he's only an OP Super Saiyan at times because of magical items.

A lot of shit has happened with Sonic recently that I don't really know about did the writing staff at Sega decid to become Marvel and join the Who can create Biggest Penis Competition?

According to the pokedex Charizard's fire can melt any material, so that shoud make him quite a threat. It's also quick at that, since it can melt 10,000 tons of ice in a short timeframe.

Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
He is a fast hedgehog and that's all there really is about him. Stab him he'd bleed, punch him he'd get a black eye. I haven't really played the newer games but as far as I can tell he's only an OP Super Saiyan at times because of magical items.

A lot of shit has happened with Sonic recently that I don't really know about did the writing staff at Sega decid to become Marvel and join the Who can create Biggest Penis Competition? Dude, he defeated someone who ATE dimensions. ATE DIMENSIONS!!! Thats Galactus on a new ****ing level.

Not a lot of ranking going on.

Bentley gave the Pokemon trainer and Charizard a good feat though.

Also who is the dimension eater you are speaking of and how did Sonic beat it?

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Not a lot of ranking going on.

Bentley gave the Pokemon trainer and Charizard a good feat though.

Also who is the dimension eater you are speaking of and how did Sonic beat it?

1. I think they're referring to Mammoth Mogul.
2. Do you actually have this game, or did you look up most of the information? If you have it, I'd like to add you.
3. Let me just say that I applaud the intention of this thread, and I'll contribute to it when I'm best able.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Not a lot of ranking going on.

Bentley gave the Pokemon trainer and Charizard a good feat though.

Also who is the dimension eater you are speaking of and how did Sonic beat it?

It's a bit difficult to follow every character in the series, I can pretty much rank the Pokemon as:

(Mewtwo?)
Charizard
Greninja (quick reflexes + cutting-through-steel missiles)
Lucario (precog)
Pikachu (good damage capabilities)

Pikmin are too small to matter in this battle and Olimar's ship is ridiculously small. However, it has nifty features such as an infinite energy engine and defensively it can defend itself from extreme temperatures. I'd say Olimar in his ship could punk any Pokemon other than Charizard, since they shouldn't be able to harm then, and the ship should mess them up because being so small it'd be difficult to locate and should pierce into their skulls if it comes to that.

Originally posted by Bentley
It's a bit difficult to follow every character in the series, I can pretty much rank the Pokemon as:

(Mewtwo?)
Charizard
Greninja (quick reflexes + cutting-through-steel missiles)
Lucario (precog)
Pikachu (good damage capabilities)

Pikmin are too small to matter in this battle and Olimar's ship is ridiculously small. However, it has nifty features such as an infinite energy engine and defensively it can defend itself from extreme temperatures. I'd say Olimar in his ship could punk any Pokemon other than Charizard, since they shouldn't be able to harm then, and the ship should mess them up because being so small it'd be difficult to locate and should pierce into their skulls if it comes to that.

I agree. Hopefully the thread will get more info amalgamated for the characters.

Since Mewtwo is on his way that should work. Not using anime feats though right? Cause anime Mewtwo is kinda tough.

I know very little of the Pikmin series but I figured he would benefit from getting his ship. Which is one of my favorite items(filthy casual).

Originally posted by Sacred 117
1. I think they're referring to Mammoth Mogul.
2. Do you actually have this game, or did you look up most of the information? If you have it, I'd like to add you.
3. Let me just say that I applaud the intention of this thread, and I'll contribute to it when I'm best able.

1. For some reason I was thinking of Taboo. Dunno much Sanic.
2. I have it for 3DS. Don't expect a very good fight though. I'm a dirty casual.
3. Thank ya!

Also, the Fire Emblem characters should be inferior to Pokemon for having more realistic limitations and worse range (except Robin, but he/she doesn't have great speed feats as far as the story goes, I can see Pikachu winning on the draw). They'd be ranked as:

Robin (ranged advantage)
Ike (by far the most powerful fighter in-universe)
Lucina/Marth (about even as none has feats independant from their Falchion)
Roy (has nothing going on for him or whatsoever, at least the others have special battle styles. However I haven't yet finished his game to be sure he doesn't pull off weird stuff by the end -I doubt it-)

I take it the Falchion is less than impressive? Shame. I tend to main as Marth.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
I take it the Falchion is less than impressive? Shame. I tend to main as Marth.

The Falchion is blessed to hurt dragons, it's a powerful weapon on it's own right, but it's not on par with the Ragnell. Ike has the best feat in the canon which is killing a goddess with that sword, most other heroes have fought ancient dragons or demons.

Marth is at least more fabulous.

His sword would do well against Charizard I guess.

Terrible thread.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Terrible thread. Hey now, you can't have that attitude if you're going to be a mod in a year or two.

http://i61.tinypic.com/2nvaycm.jpg

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Also who is the dimension eater you are speaking of and how did Sonic beat it? It is Solaris. Sonic had help from Shadow and Silver but still, being a fraction of a Dimension-Eater's power is pretty impressive. In the fight, Eggman clearly says "Be careful, this thing eats DIMENSIONS for BREAKFAST!!!!" I'd also like to point out they didn't kill him, but they DID defeat him.

Was he by any chance a SUper Saiyan when he beat him?

Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
Was he by any chance a SUper Saiyan when he beat him? Yes, but not many characters in ALL OF FICTION can claim to have defeated a ****ing DIMENSION EATER.

Really depends on the size of the dimensions. Sasuke Uchiha for instance is technically a dimension buster for instance.

But yeah all these guys have done impressive things. More interested in how their physical abilities compare to one another.

http://pikmin.wikia.com/wiki/Nova_Blaster

Olimar's ship is potentially pretty high up there. Assuming any of it is true, of course.

His ship doesn't use his blaster in the game. Pretty strong it seems though.

Originally posted by Yamcha
Hey now, you can't have that attitude if you're going to be a mod in a year or two.

http://i61.tinypic.com/2nvaycm.jpg Shows what you know. Lana and GK shit on peoples' threads all the time. haermm

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Yes, but not many characters in ALL OF FICTION can claim to have defeated a ****ing DIMENSION EATER.

Well if you consider ALL of fiction. That would include Horton hears a Who. And by that logic specks in the wind could be whole little worlds. So at the very least defeating a world destroyer is quite a common occurrence.

Okay so he was a DIMENSION EATER (love how you cap that title by the way), aside from his ability to EAT DIMENSIONS LIKE CORN FLAKES did this enemy exhibit any feats of strength, durability or intangibility that would put him over... I don't know... Andross? Tell me or show me exactly how powerful this enemy is because dimensions don't do anything but exist if you have the ability nothing can stop you from EATING DIMENSIONS! Except for Super Saiyan hedghogs of course.

Am I forgetting something about Andross?

No. I'm not saying Andross can eat dimensions. I'm just saying a character that can EAT DIMENSIONS is not nessacarily capable of overpowering a character that cannot EAT DIMENSIONS unless supported by other feats.

Andross was just a name I pulled out of the hat.

Let us move away from Sonic.

Scenario! As the resident Metroid fan, I demand stats for Samus Aran.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
For all I know Shulk might be the actual strongest(I really don't know tihs guy).

He is. Shulk is a reality warped of the highest level. His sword literally created the universe and it's power is his too command.

Originally posted by ares834
He is. Shulk is a reality warped of the highest level. His sword literally created the universe and it's power is his too command.

I somehow saw this coming.

Well if you know what happens in Xenoblade it really isn't hard to see coming...

Or if you mean something else just come out and say it. Don't beat around the bush.

I still haven't gotten a chance to play Xenoblade. I just had the distinct feeling he would have a deceptive amount of power.

Shulk made the universe?

No. But his sword, the Manado, did.

Originally posted by ares834
No. But his sword, the Manado, did.

https://40.media.tumblr.com/ff587cdfd5537416257973afe9a5b9d2/tumblr_nhfg7cos3b1sbgdg5o3_500.jpg

Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
Well if you consider ALL of fiction. That would include Horton hears a Who. And by that logic specks in the wind could be whole little worlds. So at the very least defeating a world destroyer is quite a common occurrence.

Okay so he was a DIMENSION EATER (love how you cap that title by the way), aside from his ability to EAT DIMENSIONS LIKE CORN FLAKES did this enemy exhibit any feats of strength, durability or intangibility that would put him over... I don't know... Andross? Tell me or show me exactly how powerful this enemy is because dimensions don't do anything but exist if you have the ability nothing can stop you from EATING DIMENSIONS! Except for Super Saiyan hedghogs of course. You have to play or watch a playthrough of Sonic 06` to learn more about him. . .

All I've seen from reviews is that he is a high-end sun god.

Originally posted by ares834
No. But his sword, the Manado, did.

Ah I see. Well the sword doesn't really demonstrate world shaping shenanigans in the game. Would make it the most powerful weapon I guess(except for perhaps the Master Sword). But it depends on how it is used in the game which is mostly just a fancy laser sword.

In the interest of the thread, I'd like to bring this to the discussion...



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Originally posted by AuraAngel
Let us move away from Sonic.

Scenario! As the resident Metroid fan, I demand stats for Samus Aran.

Okay! Time for SAMUS ARAN





Strength: I estimate 10-20 tons.

http://youtu.be/Nsn5jiN9F-k?t=3m41s

Sufficient to toss a giant lava whale, so double digit tons at least.


Speed: High supersonic

http://www.metroid-database.com/manga/official_vol_1_en/ch_0003/scaled/sc_metroid_v01_ch003_016.png
http://www.metroid-database.com/manga/official_vol_1_en/ch_0003/scaled/sc_metroid_v01_ch003_017.png

Outrunning some blaster fire.

http://www.metroid-database.com/manga/official_vol_1_en/ch_0002/scaled/sc_metroid_v01_ch002_058.png
http://www.metroid-database.com/manga/official_vol_1_en/ch_0002/scaled/sc_metroid_v01_ch002_059.png

And again.

http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p757/Scenario388/Metroid%20feats/mfsupersonicspeedbooster_zpsebe2c417.jpg

Speed Booster is also supersonic.


Durability: I dunno, large building to maybe small mountain level?

http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p757/Scenario388/Metroid%20feats/zeromissionshinespark2_zps2a0517d3.gif

She can tank slamming into a starship at supersonic speed, so her armor is tougher than the Space Pirate Mothership's.


http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p757/Scenario388/Metroid%20feats/pirateweapon_zpsc4558f2b.gif

A Space Pirate's weapon can destroy a cubic meter of material, and in the above manga scan about five of those just bounced off of her.

http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p757/Scenario388/Metroid%20feats/zmvariasuitacquired_zps7f47f859.gif

The Varia Suit is fully immune to acid and heat up to lava, and the Gravity Suit is immune to lava damage. There's also the fact that SA-X is fully immune to most of Samus' own weapons, which just bounce off, but I don't really have any .gifs of that.


http://www.metroid-database.com/manga/official_vol_2_en/ch_0012/scaled/sc_metroid_v02_ch0058.png
Here we have Ridley wrecking a mountainside.

http://www.metroid-database.com/manga/official_vol_2_en/ch_0016/scaled/sc_metroid_v2_ch16_146.png
And here we have Samus shrugging off a blast of Ridley's plasma breath.


Weaponry: Probably around large building level.

http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p757/Scenario388/Metroid%20feats/zmwavebeam3_zps24eeac26.gif

Wave beam destroying things.

http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p757/Scenario388/Metroid%20feats/mfSA-Xpowerbomb_zps8cc89630.gif

SA-X Powerbomb.


There we go, STATS. And things. I'm out of relevant .gifs and such.

Hm... I figured Samus for low hypersonic.

Depends on how you interpret the rescue feat. Samus crossed a large distance faster than it took blaster fire to travel a few feet. Depending on the distance and speed of the blasters it could be anywhere from low supersonic to high hypersonic.

High hypersonic would be closing in on triple digits. I'll have to look further into this.

Scenario gets the thread. Good stuff. And yeah Sacred I went into this assuming DK was the strongest physically cause of that feat lol.

Want more. MORE!

Assuming Link gets beat by the Fodder and loses his Sword Ganon becomes effectively invincible.

This isn't really a free for all fight(a brawl if you will). It is mostly just a thread for comparison.

Speaking of which: Toon Link(the Hero of Wind I assume) vs Vanilla Link(who I guess is still TP but if you wanna say Skyward Sword that is fine too).

>Ganon immune to everything except evil's bane

Massive no limit fallacy

http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p757/Scenario388/Linkstoneheadtoss_zps4bc64099.gif

VS.

http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p757/Scenario388/LinkDangorotoss1_zpsa6d4ffab.gif

Originally posted by The Scenario
http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p757/Scenario388/Linkstoneheadtoss_zps4bc64099.gif

VS.

http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p757/Scenario388/LinkDangorotoss1_zpsa6d4ffab.gif

That's Toon Link at the pointy end of the game with Master Sword and Mirror Shield to boot. And yes. He would beat the TP Link at 4 hearts and an Ordon Sword. Whilst at the end he was pushing Gannon (who exerts more pressure than a large rock) back in a sword clash.

Oh yeah Scenario, you forgot ZS Samus and her ship. Get on that.

Didn't Zamus survive getting stomped on by Kraid or some shit? My memory's a little hazy on the subject.

Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
That's Toon Link at the pointy end of the game with Master Sword and Mirror Shield to boot. And yes. He would beat the TP Link at 4 hearts and an Ordon Sword. Whilst at the end he was pushing Gannon (who exerts more pressure than a large rock) back in a sword clash.

How physically strong is Ganondorf?

Anyway, WW Link > TP Link.

Originally posted by ares834
How physically strong is Ganondorf?

Anyway, WW Link > TP Link.
Probably, not in physical strength, however.

Ganondorf is at least as strong as OoT Link with the GG's.

Why would we assume that? I don't ever recall Ganondorf and OoT link physically wrestling in anyway.

Originally posted by ares834
Why would we assume that? I don't ever recall Ganondorf and OoT link physically wrestling in anyway.

As far as the game is concerned, it didn't seem like they could. Ganon would just rock him with his fists and bring down the foundations if you tried to get in his face.

As far as any canon scenario is concerned, I can't really say. I'm actually curious about that myself.

Ganon disarmed Link at the end of OoT with a single swing of his sword, lol.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Ganon disarmed Link at the end of OoT with a single swing of his sword, lol.

Yes. Ganon. Not Ganondorf. Ganon, in general just seems more powerful. After all, Link has Zelda, the sages, and Navi all help him defeat Ganonwhile he takes Dorf down on his own.

TP Link overpowered boar Ganon as well, so the point stands, even if Ganon were physically stronger, which is something never even alluded to.

Midna with the fused shadows was helping via magic arm.

Midna was on his back, Link was doing all the work.

Originally posted by Sacred 117
Didn't Zamus survive getting stomped on by Kraid or some shit? My memory's a little hazy on the subject.
Um... no. That never happened. Not sure what part of the manga or whatever your memory mixed that up with..

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Um... no. That never happened. Not sure what part of the manga or whatever your memory mixed that up with..

That's what I was wondering. I thought it happened at some point despite having no memory of it. I have no idea where the thought came from. shrug

Anyone with intimate working knowledge of the Mario franchise should comment on their scale. I know their incredibly raw, but I've never known the precise specifics of their power.

There was a bit in the manga where Kraid stepped on Samus, but she was in the suit at the time. That might be it.


As for the Mario universe, that's kind of hard to do. Mario himself isn't that high on the tier list (I'd have a hard time proving he could lift more than a few tons, for example) but due to certain things he's kind of defeated a guy that could wipe out "all worlds" and a multiversal threat. HOWEVER, that is mainly due to certain mcguffins that cancelled out the guy's power and he wouldn't have them here anyway.

Now, Bowser, he's pretty strong at over 6000 tons lifted (or caught, rather.)

http://youtu.be/yjb9Kxb1TFI?t=55s

Hm. Mario was at the very least Mid Meta last time I checked. mmm

On the subject of his strength, wasn't he kicking asteroids at Bowser in SMG1? That honestly shouldn't be the biggest things he's done.

As of SMG, he should be pretty damn fast as far as reaction time is concerned, what with the consistent safe landings following interplanetary travel.

Mario lifted a castle in Super Mario World. B|

And he has a pretty mad golf swing.

Bottom 5 weakest besides R.O.B?

Prolly like, Pichu.

Need like 4 more. I could see Wii Fit Trainer being weaker.

Peach?

Hm, maybe Olimar with no ship. Peach is actually fairly strong.

Rosalina? Anything my waifu has done outside of like the Mario Galaxy games?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Hm, maybe Olimar with no ship. Peach is actually fairly strong.

I reasoned as much. Why he has his ship here lol.